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Keefelane66 07-10-2023 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2233797)
As a scientist (not a climatologist), and even having had a graduate course in paleoclimatology, I would agree with you 99.5% of the time.

However, once a scientific concept becomes highly politicized with trillions of dollars on the line for those that can control the narrative, the whole game changes.

read the post from the TOTV member whose son IS a climatologist, but disagreed with anthropogenic global warming.-----Grants---DENIED, tenure---DENIED publications----DENIED. Professional reputation ruined. Family to feed, a career ahead of you, most of would just tell the world what the powers that be want them to. And "the peers" that review your research are in exactly the same boat. Then they come out with the claim that "96% of climate scientists are in agreement". Of course they are. Just as 96% (probably more) of people with a gun to their head will tell you that the Earth is a cube. Many early renaissance scientific advancements came from France, until the French Academy of Sciences in the early-mid 1700's became politicized and had to push only "approved" concepts. All new ideas and concepts that were at odds with the "accepted" narrative were squashed and scientific advancement moved on to England and Germany. Same here with climate change. Then, the narrative continues to claim that anyone who disagrees with "the science" (THEIR science) is a nut job or ignorant. Example----Believe Oswald wasn't a lone gunman?----you're a nut job, conspiracy theorist or worse.

So if I publish another paper in a journal, maybe something about the microorganisms in the carposphere of Laccaria trullisata, I would expect unbiased peer review. But I pity any climatologist who tries to publish anything contrary to the global warming narrative.

“ So if I publish another paper in a journal, maybe something about the microorganisms in the carposphere of Laccaria trullisata, I would expect unbiased peer review. But I pity any climatologist who tries to publish anything contrary to the global warming narrative.”
He’s talking about a mushroom variety

golfing eagles 07-10-2023 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Keefelane66 (Post 2233800)
“ So if I publish another paper in a journal, maybe something about the microorganisms in the carposphere of Laccaria trullisata, I would expect unbiased peer review. But I pity any climatologist who tries to publish anything contrary to the global warming narrative.”
He’s talking about a mushroom variety

Correct, Laccaria sp. are mushrooms. They generally receive their nutrients from compounds that leech out of tree roots. In turn, they donate the same to the area around them, called the carposphere, where microorganisms thrive as a result.

I had no idea you were so interested in the microbiology of complex ecosystems, but now you have the short explanation. Meanwhile, my posts were about normal peer review on normal scientific papers as opposed to a subject that is highly politicized and worth trillions to SOME people.

Keefelane66 07-10-2023 11:48 AM

I spend a lot of time on Rhode Island beaches and the dunes on Cape Cod never seen them but never looked for them either. We do forage and collect beach plums and rosehip for jelly preserves. Not that fond of rosehip jelly How did Rosehips Help Us Win the War? - Bangers & Balls

golfing eagles 07-10-2023 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Keefelane66 (Post 2233816)
I spend a lot of time on Rhode Island beaches and the dunes on Cape Cod never seen them but never looked for them either. We do forage and collect beach plums and rosehip for jelly preserves. Not that fond of rosehip jelly How did Rosehips Help Us Win the War? - Bangers & Balls

More likely to find them around oak and birch trees on the shores of a freshwater lake, I believe they are somewhat halophobic.

Whitley 07-10-2023 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2233783)
Wow talk about putting words in someone mouth.

I do not know if the pictures are or are not correct but just because I ask a question, why would you think that everything that I question is a lie?

I just have this habit of thinking for myself.

The last thing they want is for you to think for yourself. After all we have gone through it is amazing some blindly follow what the government doctors/scientists say. They wouldn't lie to us.?
Fauci did knowingly mislead the public. Instead of telling us, honestly, that we didn't have enough initial PPE to protect both medical workers and the masses and that those not in healthcare settings should only use the sort of homemade cloth face masks that successfully protected many of us as the pandemic went on, Fauci simply lied to us, assuming that his overnight 180 wouldn't erode public trust in his credibility.
The government treated the people like children. It seems a portion of the population is ok with that.

Keefelane66 07-10-2023 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Whitley (Post 2233820)
The last thing they want is for you to think for yourself. After all we have gone through it is amazing some blindly follow what the government doctors/scientists say. They wouldn't lie to us.?
Fauci did knowingly mislead the public. Instead of telling us, honestly, that we didn't have enough initial PPE to protect both medical workers and the masses and that those not in healthcare settings should only use the sort of homemade cloth face masks that successfully protected many of us as the pandemic went on, Fauci simply lied to us, assuming that his overnight 180 wouldn't erode public trust in his credibility.
The government treated the people like children. It seems a portion of the population is ok with that.

I may have survived Covid by not having the proper protection by improvising and being cautious till a vaccine was made available. Yes I was a sucker for the vaccine regiment several of my family and friends were not.

Ontolater 07-10-2023 12:12 PM

My wife and I visited Alaska and twice visited the Mendenhall Glacier. In the ten years between visits the glacier receded over 1 mile. In fact the visitors center in located in that newfound space.

Keefelane66 07-10-2023 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2233806)
Correct, Laccaria sp. are mushrooms. They generally receive their nutrients from compounds that leech out of tree roots. In turn, they donate the same to the area around them, called the carposphere, where microorganisms thrive as a result.

I had no idea you were so interested in the microbiology of complex ecosystems, but now you have the short explanation. Meanwhile, my posts were about normal peer review on normal scientific papers as opposed to a subject that is highly politicized and worth trillions to SOME people.

Do not give me to much credit I had heard the term but had to look it up to refresh myself. In my previous life I worked for the Bell System during deregulation (1983) I had been involved with consumer products for DIY, phones, answering machines, telephone jacks although simple, instructions had to be dumbed down to eighth grade reading levels. In other words I don’t use compound or unusual words usually.

Two Bills 07-10-2023 12:26 PM

.................and all my Dahlias survive in the ground during winter these days.
30+ years ago, I would have lost the lot leaving them in.


So there!:spoken:

Vermilion Villager 07-10-2023 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2233770)
I think that might qualify as gulping down a double dose of Kool-Aid. Fortunately, most of that post is untrue

BTW, It's not the scientific community that is conspiring----It is the "powers that be", the ones that will profit from this nonsense. The scientists are merely their pawns, with a gun to their head, trying to survive professionally and financially since to state the truth results in suicide. And of course, the media is all too happy to aid them in pushing this false narrative.

I bet you think there was a shooter on the Grassy Knoll to huh? :mornincoffee:

golfing eagles 07-10-2023 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager (Post 2233848)
I bet you think there was a shooter on the Grassy Knoll to huh? :mornincoffee:

Not sure, I wasn't there. All I can say about that is that among people interviewed at the time and since, more people, including WWII combat veterans heard shots from the grassy knoll than from the book depository. But the really interesting part is that no one, NOT ONE of those witnesses were called to testify by the Warren Commission. Only those that heard shots from the 6th floor testified. Coincidence??? Oversight???? I don't know, I was 5 years old at the time

PS: your implication that I am some kind of conspiracy theorist nut job did not go unnoticed.

Vermilion Villager 07-10-2023 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive (Post 2233774)
Awhile back while living in Northern Minnesota I woke up one morning to reports just north of us that the mercury had plummeted to -60. A record low. Not windchill, actual temp. Wind chills were below -100. I recall going for a walk that morning just to say I walked a mile in -100 winchill and record low temperature. I could.

What is (also) newsworthy about that particular morning is that in a town north of us, maybe 60 miles or so, the bitter cold necessitated that some kind of annual "global warming" conference had to be cancelled.

One has to appreciate the irony of it all...

O...M...G!!! The place is called Tower MN...the "awhile back" you refer to was Feb 3, 1996....or almost 30 years ago. -60° below zero was the all-time low temperature ever set in the state of Minnesota on that date. And if you were going to quote statistics it has never even come close to that cold temp since.
And no.... in a town of 350 people in the dead of winter or any other time is or was there a "global warming conference" scheduled unless they were going to hold it a Bob's Amaco. I know....I was there at my lake home on Feb 3, 1996...and live there now.... (I think you just got exposed on the WWW):cryin2:

Worldseries27 07-10-2023 04:10 PM

What makes me question the fear mongering over climate is that theres no corresponding angst over nuclear weapons that will give you a bad hair day in 15 minutes (sub launched). Is it because there's no money in it for the proselytizers ?

OrangeBlossomBaby 07-10-2023 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Whitley (Post 2233820)
The last thing they want is for you to think for yourself. After all we have gone through it is amazing some blindly follow what the government doctors/scientists say. They wouldn't lie to us.?
Fauci did knowingly mislead the public. Instead of telling us, honestly, that we didn't have enough initial PPE to protect both medical workers and the masses and that those not in healthcare settings should only use the sort of homemade cloth face masks that successfully protected many of us as the pandemic went on, Fauci simply lied to us, assuming that his overnight 180 wouldn't erode public trust in his credibility.
The government treated the people like children. It seems a portion of the population is ok with that.

Actually, we did have enough. We had more than enough, and the manufacturers would've had no problem keeping up with demand. EXCEPT - hoarders gonna hoard. People were grabbing dozens of boxes off the shelves before the stores could say "only two boxes per customer." I worked at Publix when the mask stuff started, and I watched these people emptying out our store of masks, gloves, rubbing alcohol, aloe vera, chlorox, toilet paper, paper towels, hand sanitizer, ammonia, and every variety of Lysol product that we sold.

Then you could go on e-bay and Amazon and find out that individuals who'd hoarded it all, were reselling it for a premium. $100 for a box of nitrile gloves that sold for less than $12 in the pharmacy section of the supermarket.

But yeah - we had enough. We also had greedy people that Fauci hadn't counted on. He should have expected that human beings would be insensitive, uncaring, greedy animals whenever there's a crisis.

OrangeBlossomBaby 07-10-2023 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Worldseries27 (Post 2233916)
What makes me question the fear mongering over climate is that theres no corresponding angst over nuclear weapons that will give you a bad hair day in 15 minutes (sub launched). Is it because there's no money in it for the proselytizers ?

It's because individual people have no control over what the powers with the nuclear technology do or don't do. We DO have control over our own use of water, how much we waste, whether or not we compost, how much packaging we buy compared to how much food we grow ourselves. We have control over our own behavior.

Nuclear weapons terrify me. But I, as an individual, can't do ANYTHING about it. I -can- re-use my plastic bags, and support local agriculture whenever practical, walk or ride my bike instead of taking my car everywhere, etc. It's not much, for one person to do. But if everyone did even that little bit, it'd make a pretty big impact, overall.

Worldseries27 07-10-2023 10:49 PM

Stacking the jury
 
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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2233854)
not sure, i wasn't there. All i can say about that is that among people interviewed at the time and since, more people, including wwii combat veterans heard shots from the grassy knoll than from the book depository. But the really interesting part is that no one, not one of those witnesses were called to testify by the warren commission. Only those that heard shots from the 6th floor testified. Coincidence??? Oversight???? I don't know, i was 5 years old at the time

ps: Your implication that i am some kind of conspiracy theorist nut job did not go unnoticed.

draw your own conclusion

golfing eagles 07-11-2023 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Worldseries27 (Post 2233960)
draw your own conclusion

My favorite is the list of winners and losers in the aftermath of the assassination.

Losers:-----easy--- 173 people with some connection to the event dead, most from suspicious accidents or a violent "crime". A Cambridge Univ. mathematician used the available data of the victims' age, occupation and location to calculate the odds of this being a coincidence at 1 in 10 to the 34th power, or approx. the same odds as winning lotto on a single quick pick ticket 8 times in a row.

Winners:

Arlen Spector---author of the "magic bullet" theory---later US senator
Gerald Ford---member Warren Commision---later US president
Leon Jaworski--also on the commission--later famous as Watergate prosecutor
And my favorite, a young Dallas reporter who was one of the few to see the Zapruder film before it got locked away. Although we now know that film clearly shows Kennedy's head going back and to the left with the back of his head getting blown back onto the trunk of the limo, he reported that his head went forward as it would with a kill shot from the book depository. That winner----Dan Rather.

IF, I repeat IF there was a conspiracy, it would appears playing ball served people better than being on the "loser" list.

Bay Kid 07-11-2023 06:51 AM

It's all about money.

sounding 07-11-2023 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Keefelane66 (Post 2233511)
I wish these seminars were on youtube

The Weather Club can schedule these (and other) talks at other clubs and groups.

The Villages Weather Club

sounding 07-11-2023 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager (Post 2233683)
Pictures don't lie...Please explain why there is picture after picture of widespread glacial melt? Sounding..... dude I think it's time you get a new thermometer!!! :1rotfl::1rotfl:

There are over 100 glaciers that are growing. They are listed at Weather Club meetings.

sounding 07-11-2023 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2233603)
I read the hearing report from AP, and Sagan's original paper on the subject. I'm not seeing that he misled anyone. He gave his theory, supported it with the scientific data available at the time, and brought it to the most likely conclusion. That's what science is all about. You pose a question, do fact finding and data gathering, and attempt to answer the question.

There might be facts you don't know yet - information missing, new technology able to reveal things you would not have been capable of knowing previously. And so your answer might change. That doesn't make it misleading. It just makes it inaccurate. You can be wrong, and not be lying.

He testified to Congress that CO2 was the primary cause of Venus 900 F surface temperature. That was a lie - and he knew it - or he fell asleep during astrophysics class.

golfing eagles 07-11-2023 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2234154)
There are over 100 glaciers that are growing. They are listed at Weather Club meetings.

How many times do I have to repeat it-----Don't confuse the zealots with the facts, it spoils the taste of their Kool-Aid. :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Taltarzac725 07-11-2023 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2234162)
How many times do I have to repeat it-----Don't confuse the zealots with the facts, it spoils the taste of their Kool-Aid. :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

I am busy chugging--
Some of Glacier National Park's glaciers have lost as much as 80% of their size in the last 50 years | CNN

Bill14564 07-11-2023 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2234154)
There are over 100 glaciers that are growing. They are listed at Weather Club meetings.

Well that sounds like a good time.

What about the other estimated 199,900 glaciers?

golfing eagles 07-11-2023 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2234166)

I know , Tal. We really should go back to 3 word sentences or even the nothing thread :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Taltarzac725 07-11-2023 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2234170)
I know , Tal. We really should go back to 3 word sentences or even the nothing thread :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:


More actual information. Dramatic Decline in Multiyear Arctic Sea Ice - Ocean Conservancy

Bill14564 07-11-2023 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2234156)
He testified to Congress that CO2 was the primary cause of Venus 900 F surface temperature. That was a lie - and he knew it - or he fell asleep during astrophysics class.

Interesting. Sagan believed it then and every website I can find believes it today. Consensus may not be proof but it's a heck of a lot more convincing than unsubstantiated claims on ToTV.

fdpaq0580 07-11-2023 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2233603)
I read the hearing report from AP, and Sagan's original paper on the subject. I'm not seeing that he misled anyone. He gave his theory, supported it with the scientific data available at the time, and brought it to the most likely conclusion. That's what science is all about. You pose a question, do fact finding and data gathering, and attempt to answer the question.

There might be facts you don't know yet - information missing, new technology able to reveal things you would not have been capable of knowing previously. And so your answer might change. That doesn't make it misleading. It just makes it inaccurate. You can be wrong, and not be lying.

You are right, but the climate change denier WEENIES don't want to hear it

golfing eagles 07-11-2023 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2234196)
You are right, but the climate change denier WEENIES don't want to hear it

Sorry, but the label "weenies" has already been taken and defined. Think of something original, and not what that moron Joy whatever on "the view" that calls it a "dee-nye-yah"

Chi-Town 07-11-2023 12:49 PM

Michio Kaku is the Carl Sagan of the now. Wonder what his views on global warming are.

Taltarzac725 07-11-2023 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Chi-Town (Post 2234207)
Michio Kaku is the Carl Sagan of the now. Wonder what his views on global warming are.


Official Website of Dr. Michio Kaku

You could ask him! He requests that you do it on Facebook. He probably has answers about Global Warming on there.

And I found this-- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnoJuQp8h3w

Two Bills 07-11-2023 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2234198)
Sorry, but the label "weenies" has already been taken and defined. Think of something original, and not what that moron Joy whatever on "the view" that calls it a "dee-nye-yah"

"Pricks" comes to mind. :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl: :icon_wink:

fdpaq0580 07-11-2023 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2233770)
I think that might qualify as gulping down a double dose of Kool-Aid. Fortunately, most of that post is untrue

BTW, It's not the scientific community that is conspiring----It is the "powers that be", the ones that will profit from this nonsense. The scientists are merely their pawns, with a gun to their head, trying to survive professionally and financially since to state the truth results in suicide. And of course, the media is all too happy to aid them in pushing this false narrative.

O M G !! I would be laughing if I thought you didn’t really mean that load of dung!! Check with your cult leader because what ever you're drinking or smoking is WAY beyond a a little cherry Kool-aid, my friend.

fdpaq0580 07-11-2023 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2234198)
Sorry, but the label "weenies" has already been taken and defined. Think of something original, and not what that moron Joy whatever on "the view" that calls it a "dee-nye-yah"

Please consider my use of your "weenies" as an homag to one of my all time favs.

fdpaq0580 07-11-2023 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by two bills (Post 2234212)
"pricks" comes to mind. :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl: :icon_wink:

ouch!

blueash 07-11-2023 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2233689)
Pictures don't lie. The people choosing WHICH pictures to show DO lie. Yes, there are PARTS of the Antarctic ice shelf that are melting, and there are OTHER PARTS that are growing. Best estimates from scientists without an agenda is there is net zero melting to slight growing of the Antarctic ice.

Well doctor, please provide links to those best estimates by scientists without an agenda.

Nasa has a net loss. Oh, you mean that if 90% of the areas in Antartica are melting but 10% are growing so you throw it out as if the small areas not melting disproves the truth that both our north and south polar areas are warming, you know, global warming. There is a scientific explanation, science you know, as to why some areas of the ice sheet might thicken. Get ready. Some of the Antarctic is so cold that snow does not fall often. The ice only grows when water (snow) is added. There are areas where because of global warming there is more new snow than melting, those rare areas are thickening. It does not offset the net loss of ice.

I do wish you would pick an argument and stick to it.

You alternatively claim that global warming is a hoax, isn't happening rapidly and is just the expected very slow pattern seen over tens of thousands of years so nothing to see here, or we have cooling, look at the last 9 years, to it is all real but humans can do nothing.

For those of you who say there is nothing we can do, it is all meaningless, I ask you to consider Los Angeles smog. We all grew up with the constant photos of LA engulfed in air pollution. What happened? Nobody took cars and trucks off the roads. Nobody made everyone move out of LA. All it took was vigorous environmental legislation to force industry to develop cleaner cars and trucks and factories.

Each one person, one car, one building, one factory, one incinerator at a time added up to great improvement. Now LA is still the smog capital of the country but it is so much better. Because humans did sometime to reverse a human caused problem. By the way industry claimed of course it was not man made but just a normal phenomenon caused by ozone descending from the stratosphere into the LA basin. Disproven by, yup, science.

I will look forward to your links to those scientists who say that the net ice at the south polar region is not melting to slight increase. LINKS PLEASE.

golfing eagles 07-11-2023 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 2234268)
Well doctor, please provide links to those best estimates by scientists without an agenda.

Nasa has a net loss. Oh, you mean that if 90% of the areas in Antartica are melting but 10% are growing so you throw it out as if the small areas not melting disproves the truth that both our north and south polar areas are warming, you know, global warming. There is a scientific explanation, science you know, as to why some areas of the ice sheet might thicken. Get ready. Some of the Antarctic is so cold that snow does not fall often. The ice only grows when water (snow) is added. There are areas where because of global warming there is more new snow than melting, those rare areas are thickening. It does not offset the net loss of ice.

I do wish you would pick an argument and stick to it.

You alternatively claim that global warming is a hoax, isn't happening rapidly and is just the expected very slow pattern seen over tens of thousands of years so nothing to see here, or we have cooling, look at the last 9 years, to it is all real but humans can do nothing.

For those of you who say there is nothing we can do, it is all meaningless, I ask you to consider Los Angeles smog. We all grew up with the constant photos of LA engulfed in air pollution. What happened? Nobody took cars and trucks off the roads. Nobody made everyone move out of LA. All it took was vigorous environmental legislation to force industry to develop cleaner cars and trucks and factories.

Each one person, one car, one building, one factory, one incinerator at a time added up to great improvement. Now LA is still the smog capital of the country but it is so much better. Because humans did sometime to reverse a human caused problem. By the way industry claimed of course it was not man made but just a normal phenomenon caused by ozone descending from the stratosphere into the LA basin. Disproven by, yup, science.

I will look forward to your links to those scientists who say that the net ice at the south polar region is not melting to slight increase. LINKS PLEASE.

Res ipsa loquitur

fdpaq0580 07-11-2023 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2234281)
Res ipsa loquitur

Glad you agree with the records. 420 and increasing straight months of global warming.

golfing eagles 07-11-2023 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2234289)
Glad you agree with the records. 420 and increasing straight months of global warming.

I don't

fdpaq0580 07-12-2023 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2234338)
I don't

Good. I was wrong. It's been updated to 526 consecutive months of global increases.
Have a good day, and keep hydrated, my friend.


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