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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

As usual too many over-generalizations. Fact check: No, the glaciers are not growing in Glacier National Park >> Yale Climate Connections

Sorry ... the provided reference only points to old reports! Note ... the USGS has stopped reporting on glacier status after 2015 ... USGS glacier inventory data | U.S. Geological Survey . Why did they stop? In 2017 the USGS removed signs saying the glaciers would be gone by 2020. Why did they take them down? What are they hiding? Funny how our tax dollars only work when glaciers are melting.

[YeOldeCurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by sounding

On earth, CO2 concentration is 0.04%. Mars CO2 concentration is 95%. I wonder how many humans caused that.

Invalid comparison. Or apples to oranges to use the cliche.

[sounding]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Too many variables to make accurate weather forecasts more than a few days out. It is physics and mathematics. They have gotten a lot better at upcoming weather over the next few days. They can go by patterns for predictions for future weather events.

How Reliable Are Weather Forecasts? | NOAA SciJinks – All About Weather

The point is ... it's far from settled -- especially climate change.

[YeOldeCurmudgeon]

I sent GE a PM saying I'm done posting the truth about Climate Change. Well, since he and another misinformed individual seem to be hijacking this thread, I will repost what I already have posted and will continue to do this when I see them doing it again:

I see there are some posters here who continually trumpet the false narrative that Climate Change is a hoax like their buddy Donald Trump and other climate-change deniers. My and others have pointed them to those who are expert and organizations which specialize in the science of climate change and yet they continually look for exceptions that suggest they are right and those who have studied the environment and the science about how it functions are wrong.

They say those who claim Climate Change is happening have an agenda. Well, I'd like to know what their motive is?

If anyone has a motive to deny it, it's those who are causing it: the fossil fuel industry. Why? Because it's going to affect their bottomline and in essence end their obscene profits. Tell me, what motive does a scientist have in maintaining the narrative of Climate Change. Do they stand to make more money from it? Are they getting paid by corporate entities and foundations supported by the fossil fuel industry which does pay scientists to lie about climate change?

No, they have no motive. They aren't getting paid. They are simply telling the truth.

But no matter what we tell these deniers, they insist on ignoring it. Why? Because they refuse to accept the world is changing. But that is life; it is constantly changing and evolving. Just look at human society today. I'm not saying it's better or worse, but can you imagine same sex marriages 50 years ago?

Climate Change is happening, worldwide -- by the way, the anomaly sometimes mentioned about Greenland in the Middle Ages was region specific and not global.

Here's a few of the anthropogenic (human-caused) climate change denying rebuttals:

1. It's caused by changes in heat from the sun -- debunked, the sun is actually giving off less heat; in turn, they then say an Ice Age is approaching

2.There have been periods when the earth's atmosphere was hotter -- yes, but they occurred after some catastrophic event like the earth colliding with an asteroid, like the one that killed off the dinosaurs

3. CO2 does not create heat -- yes, but it seals it in the atmosphere, which is its Green House Effect (GHE)

4. The Antarctic icecap is growing -- yes, but that's a superficial effect of the warming that is increasing a thin layer of snow but the actual truth is that it's melting the eons old icebergs are decreasing.

5. Weather is variable and there always have been extreme weather events -- yes, but the extreme weather events have begun to show a pattern of increasing intensity because of the increased moisture caused by the warming, especially in the oceans. For instance, while the number of hurricanes has not increased, their intensity and the damage they cause has increased because of the increased moisture caused by the warming.

6. While the earth does undergo changes, never in geological history (except for catastrophic events like an asteroid hitting the earth) has the warming increased so fast as it has since the advent of the Industrial Revolution, and the pace of this warming has become even faster in recent years. Why do you think the following has been occurring:

A. Record breaking high temperatures in Siberia
B. The melting of the icebergs at the poles and the melting of the permafrost in Greenland and Siberia
C. Global outbreaks of wild forest fires
D. Global drying up of massive lakes
E. Rising sea levels, especially in the southern hemisphere
F. Displacement of wildlife and disruption of their living patterns, causing many extinctions
G. Because of these changes to the ecosystem, some believe it's causing greater susceptibility to pandemics.

Go to NASA, the NOAA websites. See what the scientists are saying. Watch the weather channel. Watch some videos online showing how the rising sea levels are causing poor people in the southern hemisphere to migrate, that show the melting icebergs and permafrost, that show the now navigable Arctic Ocean and decreasing habitat of the polar bears. There are plenty of videos showing this.

But how will the Climate Deniers respond to this? Just complain about rising gas prices, sit in their cars in parking lots with the motor running, not try to conserve or recycle. Hey, we're all going to die some day so why should we worry about the future of our planet or those who come after us. The problem is they don't care and they are offended that someone is trying to make them change. Whatever. I and others have tried to get them to listen, but they won't. That's human nature.

[sounding]

Originally Posted by YeOldeCurmudgeon

Invalid comparison. Or apples to oranges to use the cliche.

So why no global warming on Mars with all the CO2, where the CO2 concentration is more than 2,300 times greater than on Earth? Where's the runaway greenhouse affect? Why isn't Al Gore on this hot topic? OMG ... no wonder there's no sign of life on Mars.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by sounding

We know glaciers are growing because we keep hearing about glacier calving. Advancing glaciers calve (like cows) ... retreating glaciers melt (like ice cream).

Hahaha! Sorry I laughed, but that is just plain wrong and down right silly, imHo. 🙈🙈🙈

[Taltarzac725]

Good post about Climate Change.

Originally Posted by YeOldeCurmudgeon

I sent GE a PM saying I'm done posting the truth about Climate Change. Well, since he and another misinformed individual seem to be hijacking this thread, I will repost what I already have posted and will continue to do this when I see them doing it again:

I see there are some posters here who continually trumpet the false narrative that Climate Change is a hoax like their buddy Donald Trump and other climate-change deniers. My and others have pointed them to those who are expert and organizations which specialize in the science of climate change and yet they continually look for exceptions that suggest they are right and those who have studied the environment and the science about how it functions are wrong.

They say those who claim Climate Change is happening have an agenda. Well, I'd like to know what their motive is?

If anyone has a motive to deny it, it's those who are causing it: the fossil fuel industry. Why? Because it's going to affect their bottomline and in essence end their obscene profits. Tell me, what motive does a scientist have in maintaining the narrative of Climate Change. Do they stand to make more money from it? Are they getting paid by corporate entities and foundations supported by the fossil fuel industry which does pay scientists to lie about climate change?

No, they have no motive. They aren't getting paid. They are simply telling the truth.

But no matter what we tell these deniers, they insist on ignoring it. Why? Because they refuse to accept the world is changing. But that is life; it is constantly changing and evolving. Just look at human society today. I'm not saying it's better or worse, but can you imagine same sex marriages 50 years ago?

Climate Change is happening, worldwide -- by the way, the anomaly sometimes mentioned about Greenland in the Middle Ages was region specific and not global.

Here's a few of the anthropogenic (human-caused) climate change denying rebuttals:

1. It's caused by changes in heat from the sun -- debunked, the sun is actually giving off less heat; in turn, they then say an Ice Age is approaching

2.There have been periods when the earth's atmosphere was hotter -- yes, but they occurred after some catastrophic event like the earth colliding with an asteroid, like the one that killed off the dinosaurs

3. CO2 does not create heat -- yes, but it seals it in the atmosphere, which is its Green House Effect (GHE)

4. The Antarctic icecap is growing -- yes, but that's a superficial effect of the warming that is increasing a thin layer of snow but the actual truth is that it's melting the eons old icebergs are decreasing.

5. Weather is variable and there always have been extreme weather events -- yes, but the extreme weather events have begun to show a pattern of increasing intensity because of the increased moisture caused by the warming, especially in the oceans. For instance, while the number of hurricanes has not increased, their intensity and the damage they cause has increased because of the increased moisture caused by the warming.

6. While the earth does undergo changes, never in geological history (except for catastrophic events like an asteroid hitting the earth) has the warming increased so fast as it has since the advent of the Industrial Revolution, and the pace of this warming has become even faster in recent years. Why do you think the following has been occurring:

A. Record breaking high temperatures in Siberia
B. The melting of the icebergs at the poles and the melting of the permafrost in Greenland and Siberia
C. Global outbreaks of wild forest fires
D. Global drying up of massive lakes
E. Rising sea levels, especially in the southern hemisphere
F. Displacement of wildlife and disruption of their living patterns, causing many extinctions
G. Because of these changes to the ecosystem, some believe it's causing greater susceptibility to pandemics.

Go to NASA, the NOAA websites. See what the scientists are saying. Watch the weather channel. Watch some videos online showing how the rising sea levels are causing poor people in the southern hemisphere to migrate, that show the melting icebergs and permafrost, that show the now navigable Arctic Ocean and decreasing habitat of the polar bears. There are plenty of videos showing this.

But how will the Climate Deniers respond to this? Just complain about rising gas prices, sit in their cars in parking lots with the motor running, not try to conserve or recycle. Hey, we're all going to die some day so why should we worry about the future of our planet or those who come after us. The problem is they don't care and they are offended that someone is trying to make them change. Whatever. I and others have tried to get them to listen, but they won't. That's human nature.

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

Hahaha! Sorry I laughed, but that is just plain wrong and down right silly, imHo. 🙈🙈🙈

Laughing won't stop advancing glaciers calve. Two well known examples are Hubbard and Petermann -- and many more can be found on the Internet -- or at the Weather Club.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by YeOldeCurmudgeon

I sent GE a PM saying I'm done posting the truth about Climate Change.

Actually, those posts were done telling "the truth" after the first word.

[dougjb]

There are thousands and thousands of peer reviewed scientific articles backing climate change. These are articles to which recognized experts are willing to lend their name in support of the conclusions presented in the articles. This is what serves as the basis in modern scientific thought.

To date, I do not believe there are ANY peer reviewed articles in reputable scientific publications supporting climate deniers. That leads to the result that climate deniers are mere charlatans espousing their own opinion not supported by experts in the scientific community.

Can any climate deniers (some of whom are found in the Villages so-called "science" clubs) cite any peer review article supporting their position in any reputable scientific publication?

[YeOldeCurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

I agree. You ARE wrong on both counts. At least you can claim to be batting 1000

Scientific data is what showed us the "inconvenient truth."

Politics is what showed us that it is inconvenient because it affects the bottom line of its constituents. Politics is notoriously dishonest. Everyone knows that because it does not fight for truth, but only self interest. Science only has one agenda to determine the facts, to learn what is true.

Sometimes politics can pollute science by making it political and spreading lies. But that's the subjective nature of politics not science whose nature is objectivity.

[Aces4]

Again, what will climate change theorists clamor about if the newly announce fusion energy discovery is a home run?

Want to know what raises my eyebrows? Huge tracks of beautiful, farmable land gobbled up by rows and rows of wind turbines and solar panels. Who cares about climate change if we’re unable to produce enough food?

[YeOldeCurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by sounding

So why no global warming on Mars with all the CO2, where the CO2 concentration is more than 2,300 times greater than on Earth? Where's the runaway greenhouse affect? Why isn't Al Gore on this hot topic? OMG ... no wonder there's no sign of life on Mars.

Apples to oranges. The comparison is invalid because these are two completely different examples with a plethora of different conditions. It's like comparing what happens to a fish underwater to what happens to a human who remains underwater without life support.

[YeOldeCurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Actually, those posts were done telling "the truth" after the first word.

Every word I post is the truth to the best of my knowledge. Are you now insulting my intelligence?

[YeOldeCurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by sounding

Laughing won't stop advancing glaciers calve. Two well known examples are Hubbard and Petermann -- and many more can be found on the Internet -- or at the Weather Club.

Will you ever consider or respond to the points I and others have made about the errors of your posts instead of ignoring those points and acting as if we never made them?