Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2167287)

We have seen that argument before-- Scientific theories aren't mere conjecture – to survive they must work

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2167291)

I feel otherwise. The competitively large number of posts SIMPLY means that it is a worthwhile subject that many are interested in. Why say that a thread is NOT valuable when obviously the many posts prove otherwise? Many threads go only 2 pages, some just one. Does that make those threads more valuable? Certainly NOT. I have seen threads like "I would like to find someone to come and tune my piano, please help". These are the 2-page type. Should threads like that be kept off of a forum? Certainly NOT. But, it needs to be acknowledged that those types of threads are going to be interesting to ONLY a few people.
..........It seems to be intuitively obvious that a thread going 10 pages or more is good for the community.

As far as the criticism that basically no minds will be changed - that assumes that minds NEVER change and I can't believe that. Humans are flexible, minds are malleable. People click on a forum to take the pulse of their community. Opinions change as facts change. For example, OJ Simpson was a football hero and then he wasn't. That was NOT a GREAT example. Let's see.......opinions about the death penalty have changed over the years. Vietnam was a hateful enemy and now they are a reliable trading partner. Opinions about marriage have evolved.
........So, my thesis here is that DEBATE was a foundational building block in American History. Therefore a local community forum anywhere in the US should welcome debate.

Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2167298)

Debate is good. Why has the earth been cooling for the past 7 years?

Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2167298)

Debate is good. Why has the earth been cooling for the past 7 years?

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2167195)

Look at the data, it shows warming for the last four. ONE cool year drawing down the average does not make a trend and cherry picking data does not make a convincing argument.

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2167299)

The last 7 years have been Earth'''s 7 hottest

I find different data.

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2167302)

Same question, same answer



I should add that YOUR data also shows warming trends over 10 and 20 years. The 7 year mark is an interesting anomaly but certainly not a trend.

Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2167305)

Science is full of anomalies. And the last 7 years shows a cooling trend -- both UAH satellite and NOAA surface data. Let's see what happens during year 8.

Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 2167158)

Sorry, but that has not been proven.
Kinda like saying, if we have more trees it will cause more shade and make the world cooler. Or since we have so many airline flights every day, there is more wind.

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2167309)

My prediction: there may be a barely discernible cooling trend starting at the eight year mark but at the same time, the data will show a clear warming trend over five, eleven, and 21 years. You will have to do more cherry picking after that.

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2167194)

Have no respect for anyone who would shake the hand of hanoi jane. She should have been tried and executed for treason, giving aid and comfort to our enemy.

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2167299)

The last 7 years have been Earth'''s 7 hottest

I find different data.

Originally Posted by courtyard (Post 2167326)

New York, Illinois, Maine, Maryland, California and Washington have banned pet sales of cats and dogs to reduce the carbon "paw print" they produce as a result of eating meat.

Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2167316)

What cherry-picking. Remember what Al Gore said ... we're at a tipping point. The question is ... which tipping point. Either way the questions still remains, which no one seems to know how to answer ... why has the earth been cooling for the past 7 years?

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2167321)

I can understand why her mere name generates a lot of negative emotion. I would like to point out a few things. The Vietnam War was a long time ago. I was in the Air Force and I regularly read reports of how the war was going in Time magazine. The French were defeated by Vietnam, which was a bad sign. Another bad sign was that a considerable portion of the US citizens was against the war, which was different than WW2.

Today, in hindsight, the fact that the US has a good trading partner in Vietnam and has good diplomatic relations - sort of points out that Jane Fonda was on the right side of History. Personally, I think that she went too far when she physically visited North Vietnam. That was the bridge too far, I will agree.

America is Historically famous for its GREAT debaters and its enshrining freedom of speech in its laws. There is the question of how much hate should be placed on the shoulders of people on the OTHER SIDE of ANY debate?

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2167354)

Uggh, it just never ends…

Ironically, there has been a cooling trend for the last seven years because there was a particularly HOT year at about that time. While recent years still show a warming trend, if you choose to start at a particularly HOT point then even warm years look cooler.

With decades of data, you chose a point seven years ago because doing so showed what you wanted it to. Perhaps you didn’t notice that you chose an example of a warming climate to try to make your point that the climate is cooling… or maybe you thought no one would bother to look.

The next dozen times when you trot out the question of the seven years, please include this post - it will save me the time and trouble of doing it myself.

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2167354)

Uggh, it just never ends…

Ironically, there has been a cooling trend for the last seven years because there was a particularly HOT year at about that time. While recent years still show a warming trend, if you choose to start at a particularly HOT point then even warm years look cooler.

With decades of data, you chose a point seven years ago because doing so showed what you wanted it to. Perhaps you didn’t notice that you chose an example of a warming climate to try to make your point that the climate is cooling… or maybe you thought no one would bother to look.

The next dozen times when you trot out the question of the seven years, please include this post - it will save me the time and trouble of doing it myself.

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive (Post 2167355)

Heh. Jane Fonda. Just one of many vapid Hollywood pontificators.

For the life of me, I will never understand why so many people put such value on things said by people whose ONLY proven talent is making other people believe they're someone they're not.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2167323)

Another "drop the mike" proof that the Earth has Global Warming and the article also says that the reason is man-made. How many of these articles must be posted to convince the 1% of Global Warming Deniers? To deny or not to deny, that is the question. I just worry that the truth is NOT reaching the average US person, that it is not talked about enough on the NORMAL TV stations, which allows the Climate Change deniers to influence public opinion through propaganda.

Originally Posted by courtyard (Post 2167341)

The WEF World Economic Forum declared millions of cats and dogs should be slaughtered because they contribute to climate change.

Originally Posted by courtyard (Post 2167326)

New York, Illinois, Maine, Maryland, California and Washington have banned pet sales of cats and dogs to reduce the carbon "paw print" they produce as a result of eating meat.

Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2167357)

But there is a reason why the earth has been cooling for the past 7 years -- in terms of a linear trend. I'll check back next month to see if that trend continues.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2167380)

I think that this debate will be resolved in about 3 to 5 years by looking back and comparing the number and strength of the KILLER Hurricanes hitting the US. Comparing the amount of ocean rise and the acidic content. Comparing the cost and difficulty of obtaining home insurance in Florida. Comparing the rate of species extinctions with today. Comparing the Gulf of Mexico's highest temperature with that of today. Comparing a world
map of rising temperatures with that of today. I further believe that here in Florida we will be able to FEEL the increased summer HEAT in 5 years.