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Keefelane66 12-12-2022 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2165543)
Here's a horrific 3-minute video of massive Miami beach sea-rise flooding ...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mB-r7DGkTvE

Only thing I got out of the video it is a wonderful song “Highwayman” Wille Nelson...

OhioBuckeye 12-12-2022 08:50 AM

It’s just a money thing!. You can’t pay Mother Nature!

Keefelane66 12-12-2022 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2165080)
Global warming is producing the first of several large cold and snowy storms out West -- and yet to come Nor'easters out East. Notice that The Weather Channel (TWC) no longer talks about "global warming." They do, however, sometimes mention the minor cooling affects of La Nina, but ignore the major cooling affects of the PDO. Find out why this massive cooling is happening and why TWC is afraid to talk about the PDO. This and much more will be discussed Dec 15 at 1:30 PM at Laurel Manor.

People get confused between CO and CO2.
“How long does carbon monoxide stay in the atmosphere?
Chemical oxidation of CO in the lower atmosphere by molecular oxygen is very slow. The exact duration of CO in the lower atmosphere is not known with certainty; however, the mean residence time has been variously estimated to be between 0.3 and 5.0 years”.
Can you elaborate

sounding 12-12-2022 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by MidWestIA (Post 2165609)
Post a article or site or it's not worth going there

And the cold just keeps coming ... “Goofy” Celebrities Blind to Cold and Snow – Watts Up With That?

Bay Kid 12-12-2022 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Daxdog (Post 2165351)
If the world is getting warmer why did obama buy beach front property?

Because he has money to burn.

TomSpasm 12-12-2022 09:43 AM

News Media doing just fine
 
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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2165321)
Ditto. It would good to someday hear someone give that presentation at the Civil Discourse Club. There's plenty of evidence to support that information -- and more is being found every year -- but the news media suppresses it in favor of climate alarmism.

If the news media was suppressing the story about Greenland, I wouldn't have read it in the New York Times this week.

JMintzer 12-12-2022 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2165516)
Who's denying Global Warming? W E L L, it seems to me like you are because the title of your thread is, "COOLING IS COMING". So, make up my mind. Is the Globe warming or cooling? I know that 7 of the last 8 years have been record temperatures for the earth and I have written about WHY. And that the predictions are for an increasingly warm next 30 years.

7-8 years is WEATHER change, not CLIMATE change...

JMintzer 12-12-2022 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2165543)
Here's a horrific 3-minute video of massive Miami beach sea-rise flooding ...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mB-r7DGkTvE

Thoughts and prayers!

Gettingoutofdodge 12-12-2022 10:31 AM

Guess they forget about the Ice Age! Guess it was the result of global warming.

Worldseries27 12-12-2022 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by keefelane66 (Post 2165610)
only thing i got out of the video it is a wonderful song “highwayman” wille nelson...

it was pathetic

YeOldeCurmudgeon 12-12-2022 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by mikempp (Post 2165240)
31,000 scientists reject global warming and say "no convincing evidence" that humans can or will cause global warming. It's all bologna. The earth cycles, it has for centuries.

It's actually more than 80 percent, which still is a pretty strong indicator and this is based on information from hardcore scientists. Also, this takes into account scientists who work for the fossil fuels industry who are getting paid to take the opposing view. See this article in Forbes:

Fact Checking The Claim Of 97% Consensus On Anthropogenic Climate Change

jimjamuser 12-12-2022 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2165538)
That's the point ... warming and cooling are happening at the same time via 10 different solar driven cycles -- not by CO2. Currently, over the past 7 or so years there is slight global cooling, which is within a longer term warming from the Bray and Eddy cycles, which is modulated by the even larger scale Milankovitch cycle which has started cooling. On top of that is the ongoing Feynman sunspot cycle which has been cooling for the past 40 years and the PDO ocean cycle which has also been cooling for the past few years -- which many believe is causing the current cooling trend. These are all discussed at the Weather Club ... The Villages Weather Club

OK, I get the general point there as a way of JUSTIFYING the conclusion expressed in the original thread that "Cooling is coming". Just mix together a nice WORD SALAD of this CYCLE and that CYCLE and come to whatever conclusion suits you. Sure, MAYBE (?) the mixed CYCLE SALAD sets up the earth to start cooling in about 2190. Then Our great-grandchildren may be talking in forums about the Global Cooling that is taking place.

But, today right now, in REAL America and REAL earth ........REAL scientists are WARNING (to deaf ears of the LAY people) that Global Warming is a REAL event that has been proven by Climatologists. They have done this through years of observation. The climate NOISE of conflicting CYCLES is overcome by observations of both long-term and short-term trends of KEY indicators. One such indicator would be direct temperature measurement at many points around the globe. Another would be ocean temperatures around the earth. Another would be changes in ocean CO2. Another would be the study of coral reefs - which are predicted to be DOWN to only 15% of live coral by 2100. Another indicator would be tree ring analysis. Another would be upper atmosphere measurements of CO2, which is increasing and forming a HEAT blanket. Another indicator is something that every layperson in the world knows..........that old-growth forests around the world are being removed at an alarming rate - the Amazon is one example. Another indicator is that TUNDRA in Russia and elsewhere is burning and releasing MORE excess CO2. Another would be the Chinese middle class driving more automobiles and producing MORE EXCESS CO2. Another would be earthworms moving further northward into Canada and elsewhere. Another factor is world population increase since 1800 by a factor of 8 times.

There are many other indicators that could be researched. BUT, the final conclusion is that over 90% of climate scientists believe that the earth will continue to HEAT up for the next 30 years.

jimjamuser 12-12-2022 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by ithos (Post 2165554)
I hate to break the news to you but any professional in a weather related career, will have a much harder time being employed if they "deny" the global warming theory. In fact many have lost their jobs because of it.

Al Gore earned hundreds of millions of dollars on the global warming hoax. Remember that hockey stick chart? Complete fiction.

In science, theories are supposed to be challenged and subject to open debates. But that does not happen in this field because it is treated more like a religion. And we all know why.

When people do NOT like the message, they shoot the messenger. That happened in the past with Ak Gore. The oil and gas lobby did NOT like the message.
........Today, the messenger to be shot is one of HISTORY'S greatest medical professionals - Dr. Fauci. The fact that anyone has a bad word to say about Dr. Fauci shows how inverted and bizarre US values have become.

DAVES 12-12-2022 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2165080)
Global warming is producing the first of several large cold and snowy storms out West -- and yet to come Nor'easters out East. Notice that The Weather Channel (TWC) no longer talks about "global warming." They do, however, sometimes mention the minor cooling affects of La Nina, but ignore the major cooling affects of the PDO. Find out why this massive cooling is happening and why TWC is afraid to talk about the PDO. This and much more will be discussed Dec 15 at 1:30 PM at Laurel Manor.

Global warming has been stirred into a world panic. REALITY is well real. First of all even the label is spun. It is no longer GLOBAL WARMING, it is now CLIMATE CHANGE. Reality is climate is always changing. I recall going to the Museum of Natural History they had a cross section of a Giant Sequoia tree rings were marked for events in history. They also pointed out that some years the growth rings were wider indicating more growth due to more favorable weather. Roughly 40 years ago the concern was global cooling. Without Al Gore paying for his huge home telling the rest of us we should it NATURALLY evolved into global warming.

I can honestly SCREAM that my carbon footprint is far less than it used to be and that is true.
Also, true is the fact that I am retired and no longer producing anything.

sounding 12-12-2022 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2165662)
7-8 years is WEATHER change, not CLIMATE change...

Climate is not the issue. Why is it cooling for 7 years when the media says it should be warming, especially when CO2 keeps skyrocketing up up up up up ..... ?

sounding 12-12-2022 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DAVES (Post 2165694)
Global warming has been stirred into a world panic. REALITY is well real. First of all even the label is spun. It is no longer GLOBAL WARMING, it is now CLIMATE CHANGE. Reality is climate is always changing. I recall going to the Museum of Natural History they had a cross section of a Giant Sequoia tree rings were marked for events in history. They also pointed out that some years the growth rings were wider indicating more growth due to more favorable weather. Roughly 40 years ago the concern was global cooling. Without Al Gore paying for his huge home telling the rest of us we should it NATURALLY evolved into global warming.

I can honestly SCREAM that my carbon footprint is far less than it used to be and that is true.
Also, true is the fact that I am retired and no longer producing anything.

They aren't talking about the CO2 carbon footprint -- they are talking about human footprints. Jacques Cousteau issued marching orders years ago at a 1991 UNESCO event where he said, "World population must be stabilized and to do that we must eliminate 350,000 people per day."

sounding 12-12-2022 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2165686)
OK, I get the general point there as a way of JUSTIFYING the conclusion expressed in the original thread that "Cooling is coming". Just mix together a nice WORD SALAD of this CYCLE and that CYCLE and come to whatever conclusion suits you. Sure, MAYBE (?) the mixed CYCLE SALAD sets up the earth to start cooling in about 2190. Then Our great-grandchildren may be talking in forums about the Global Cooling that is taking place.

But, today right now, in REAL America and REAL earth ........REAL scientists are WARNING (to deaf ears of the LAY people) that Global Warming is a REAL event that has been proven by Climatologists. They have done this through years of observation. The climate NOISE of conflicting CYCLES is overcome by observations of both long-term and short-term trends of KEY indicators. One such indicator would be direct temperature measurement at many points around the globe. Another would be ocean temperatures around the earth. Another would be changes in ocean CO2. Another would be the study of coral reefs - which are predicted to be DOWN to only 15% of live coral by 2100. Another indicator would be tree ring analysis. Another would be upper atmosphere measurements of CO2, which is increasing and forming a HEAT blanket. Another indicator is something that every layperson in the world knows..........that old-growth forests around the world are being removed at an alarming rate - the Amazon is one example. Another indicator is that TUNDRA in Russia and elsewhere is burning and releasing MORE excess CO2. Another would be the Chinese middle class driving more automobiles and producing MORE EXCESS CO2. Another would be earthworms moving further northward into Canada and elsewhere. Another factor is world population increase since 1800 by a factor of 8 times.

There are many other indicators that could be researched. BUT, the final conclusion is that over 90% of climate scientists believe that the earth will continue to HEAT up for the next 30 years.

Nope ... 91% of scientists say CO2 is not a problem.

sounding 12-12-2022 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Keefelane66 (Post 2165618)
People get confused between CO and CO2.
“How long does carbon monoxide stay in the atmosphere?
Chemical oxidation of CO in the lower atmosphere by molecular oxygen is very slow. The exact duration of CO in the lower atmosphere is not known with certainty; however, the mean residence time has been variously estimated to be between 0.3 and 5.0 years”.
Can you elaborate

They are distraction questions. Here's the main issue ... how much has "man-made" CO2 warmed the earth last year?

sounding 12-12-2022 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2165321)
Ditto. It would good to someday hear someone give that presentation at the Civil Discourse Club. There's plenty of evidence to support that information -- and more is being found every year -- but the news media suppresses it in favor of climate alarmism.

Greenland was very warm back then, because there were no ice caps on earth way back then. We are now in a very cold period of earth's history -- but the media will never tell you that. That "Greenland" topic (and related climate data) has been mentioned at the Weather Club and will be also presented at the Civil Discourse Club. A related CO2 talked was just given today at 10 AM at Savannah. For notifications of these weather & climate talks just send a request to "info@theweatherclubvillages.com" In the meantime, here is more Greenland info ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=folh5yyFyl8

Keefelane66 12-12-2022 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2165716)
They are distraction questions. Here's the main issue ... how much has "man-made" CO2 warmed the earth last year?

How much MAN MADE CO has been made in the last year. Burning petroleum products create CO (Carbon Monoxide) not Carbon Dioxide (CO2)

sounding 12-12-2022 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Keefelane66 (Post 2165721)
How much MAN MADE CO has been made in the last year. Burning petroleum products create CO (Carbon Monoxide) not Carbon Dioxide (CO2)

Wonderful! Since CO is not a greenhouse gas, then there's no need to cut greenhouse gas emissions -- the emergency is over. Merry Christmas!

Keefelane66 12-12-2022 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2165726)
Wonderful! Since CO is not a greenhouse gas, then there's no need to cut greenhouse gas emissions -- the emergency is over. Merry Christmas!

As I mentioned in a previous post CO does get converted to CO2. Carbon Monoxide becomes oxidized and a converts into CO2 contributing to global changes. Just like Carbon Monoxide detectors are placed towards the ceiling and not on the floors in homes CO is lighter than air

sounding 12-12-2022 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Keefelane66 (Post 2165742)
As I mentioned in a previous post CO does get converted to CO2. Carbon Monoxide becomes oxidized and a converts into CO2 contributing to global changes. Just like Carbon Monoxide detectors are placed towards the ceiling and not on the floors in homes CO is lighter than air

"CO2 contributing to global changes" ... what change?

YeOldeCurmudgeon 12-12-2022 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2165712)
Nope ... 91% of scientists say CO2 is not a problem.

Not true. Here is what is misunderstood even by some scientists, especially those who say Climate Change is not Anthropogenic:

CO2 does not create heat so it does not cause the warming directly. It does it indirectly by blocking the escape of the earth's warming, which prevents its natural cooling. It is essentially a Greenhouse Effect, as the process is called. The energy, the metabolism if you will, of earth and its life forms gives off heat. The CO2 seals it in and this accumulation of warmth causes warming.

sounding 12-12-2022 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by YeOldeCurmudgeon (Post 2165748)
Not true. Here is what is misunderstood even by some scientists, especially those who say Climate Change is not Anthropogenic:

CO2 does not create heat so it does not cause the warming directly. It does it indirectly by blocking the escape of the earth's warming, which prevents its natural cooling. It is essentially a Greenhouse Effect, as the process is called. The energy, the metabolism if you will, of earth and its life forms gives off heat. The CO2 seals it in and this accumulation of warmth causes warming.

Sure. So ... how much did "man-made" CO2 warm the earth last year? Should be very easy to find via Google since everyone knows for sure that it is happening.

Taltarzac725 12-12-2022 02:40 PM

Climate change: evidence and causes | Royal Society

I tend to believe scientific consensus and not some loud mouths looking for TV rating boosts.

sounding 12-12-2022 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2165750)
Climate change: evidence and causes | Royal Society

I tend to believe scientific consensus and not some loud mouths looking for TV rating boosts.

That video said temps rose 0.8 C between 1950 and 2010. Three questions ...

1. How much of that rise was due to "human" CO2 and how much was due to natural warming which has been happening since the Little Ice Age 300 years ago?

2. Why did the temperature graph "cool" from 1950 to 1975? What caused that cooling?

3. How much of the quoted 40% CO2 increase was from natural sources?

This is why Al Gore and his minions refuse to have a public debate. They only utter opinions (like this video) but no verifiable data. This is why "consensus" is never uttered in The Weather Club because Einstein said, "Genius abhors consensus because when consensus is reached, thinking stops."

jimjamuser 12-12-2022 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2165711)
They aren't talking about the CO2 carbon footprint -- they are talking about human footprints. Jacques Cousteau issued marching orders years ago at a 1991 UNESCO event where he said, "World population must be stabilized and to do that we must eliminate 350,000 people per day."

Interesting to go back 30 years for a quote that would be hard to verify and may have been taken out of context. Nonetheless, I will guess that the meaning is that it is FINE and dandy for the population to KEEP going up and up. And I can't begin to imagine how that increase would equate to. " Cooling is coming" as was stated as the premise of the thread? There was a RAT experiment in psychology where rats were kept well fed but more and more rats were placed into an enclosure. As the rat density increased, there developed "bullying rats" and submissive rats. Then strange behavior problems. Then ulcers and other health problems. And finally, all got sterile and violent. Then they all died out. It seems to me that if human population kept going up that wars would occur which would INCREASE gas and oil consumption and increase CO2 emission and further heat the planet. Then when
humans were done "nuking" each other, any that survived would be driven back into the stone age. And maybe then that. " Colling is coming" would finally happen.

jimjamuser 12-12-2022 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by YeOldeCurmudgeon (Post 2165748)
Not true. Here is what is misunderstood even by some scientists, especially those who say Climate Change is not Anthropogenic:

CO2 does not create heat so it does not cause the warming directly. It does it indirectly by blocking the escape of the earth's warming, which prevents its natural cooling. It is essentially a Greenhouse Effect, as the process is called. The energy, the metabolism if you will, of earth and its life forms gives off heat. The CO2 seals it in and this accumulation of warmth causes warming.

Agreed. Very much EXACTLY what I have been saying.

sounding 12-12-2022 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2165769)
Interesting to go back 30 years for a quote that would be hard to verify and may have been taken out of context. Nonetheless, I will guess that the meaning is that it is FINE and dandy for the population to KEEP going up and up. And I can't begin to imagine how that increase would equate to. " Cooling is coming" as was stated as the premise of the thread? There was a RAT experiment in psychology where rats were kept well fed but more and more rats were placed into an enclosure. As the rat density increased, there developed "bullying rats" and submissive rats. Then strange behavior problems. Then ulcers and other health problems. And finally, all got sterile and violent. Then they all died out. It seems to me that if human population kept going up that wars would occur which would INCREASE gas and oil consumption and increase CO2 emission and further heat the planet. Then when
humans were done "nuking" each other, any that survived would be driven back into the stone age. And maybe then that. " Colling is coming" would finally happen.

"Nuclear winter cooling" is another fake, scare-mongering term echoed by Carl Sagan, just like his "Runaway Greenhouse Effect." The Runaway Greenhouse scare will be discussed at the January Weather Club meeting -- and shown to be based on junk science. And about that cooling "would finally happen" -- just why has it been cooling for the past 7 years?

Worldseries27 12-12-2022 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2165768)
that video said temps rose 0.8 c between 1950 and 2010. Three questions ...

1. How much of that rise was due to "human" co2 and how much was due to natural warming which has been happening since the little ice age 300 years ago?

2. Why did the temperature graph "cool" from 1950 to 1975? What caused that cooling?

3. How much of the quoted 40% co2 increase was from natural sources?

This is why al gore and his minions refuse to have a public debate. They only utter opinions (like this video) but no verifiable data. This is why "consensus" is never uttered in the weather club because einstein said, "genius abhors consensus because when consensus is reached, thinking stops."

do the numbers.

Taltarzac725 12-12-2022 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2165768)
That video said temps rose 0.8 C between 1950 and 2010. Three questions ...

1. How much of that rise was due to "human" CO2 and how much was due to natural warming which has been happening since the Little Ice Age 300 years ago?

2. Why did the temperature graph "cool" from 1950 to 1975? What caused that cooling?

3. How much of the quoted 40% CO2 increase was from natural sources?

This is why Al Gore and his minions refuse to have a public debate. They only utter opinions (like this video) but no verifiable data. This is why "consensus" is never uttered in The Weather Club because Einstein said, "Genius abhors consensus because when consensus is reached, thinking stops."

Einstein would not debate general scientific principles of observations by many people getting conclusions based on sound logic.

Some climate deniers have simply thrown out logic for debates you might find in college dorm late at night.

Bill14564 12-12-2022 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2165771)
"Nuclear winter cooling" is another fake, scare-mongering term echoed by Carl Sagan, just like his "Runaway Greenhouse Effect." The Runaway Greenhouse scare will be discussed at the January Weather Club meeting -- and shown to be based on junk science. And about that cooling "would finally happen" -- just why has it been cooling for the past 7 years?

Because if you picked any other timeframe the data would show warming. Cherry picking data is evidence of confirmation bias, nothing else.

joelfmi 12-12-2022 05:25 PM

what makes more sense than what was written.
 
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Originally Posted by mikempp (Post 2165240)
31,000 scientists reject global warming and say "no convincing evidence" that humans can or will cause global warming. It's all bologna. The earth cycles, it has for centuries.

Nothing has changed so stop worrying about what was said

JMintzer 12-12-2022 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2165693)
When people do NOT like the message, they shoot the messenger. That happened in the past with Ak Gore. The oil and gas lobby did NOT like the message.
........Today, the messenger to be shot is one of HISTORY'S greatest medical professionals - Dr. Fauci. The fact that anyone has a bad word to say about Dr. Fauci shows how inverted and bizarre US values have become.

Well, he lied to us, several times... So there's that...

And while he may have been a great researcher IN THE PAST, that train left the station when he started believing his own press...

JMintzer 12-12-2022 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2165709)
Climate is not the issue. Why is it cooling for 7 years when the media says it should be warming, especially when CO2 keeps skyrocketing up up up up up ..... ?

No idea. I don't care about 7-8 years... It's a blip on the radar...

jimjamuser 12-12-2022 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2165771)
"Nuclear winter cooling" is another fake, scare-mongering term echoed by Carl Sagan, just like his "Runaway Greenhouse Effect." The Runaway Greenhouse scare will be discussed at the January Weather Club meeting -- and shown to be based on junk science. And about that cooling "would finally happen" -- just why has it been cooling for the past 7 years?

Personally speaking. I would not have the temerity to knock a genius like Carl Sagan. I would knock George Washington for losing a few battles BEFORE I would say ONE bad word about Carl Sagan. Next someone will say that Nikolai Tesla was NOT very smart. And Socrates stuttered too much. And Joan of Arc was a hippy! It seems like some people want to knock Carl Sagan, Al Gore, and Dr. Fauci. Who is next - Winston Churchill?

The last 7 OUT OF 8 years have been record WARMING, NOT cooling. Pakistan is practically underwater from tropical rains. Living coral is dying rapidly. Europe is in a drought and crops are failing. Google Earth Sky for an article titled," Aug 2022 Drought Around the World in Dramatic Images". There is a world map showing drought in the Horn of Africa. (That is affecting 22 million people and many will try to get to Europe) There is drought in China. Also other parts of Africa. Rivers are drying up in Europe. The whole map of the earth shows Global Warming happening right now. The conclusion is unavoidable!

jimjamuser 12-12-2022 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2165791)
Well, he lied to us, several times... So there's that...

And while he may have been a great researcher IN THE PAST, that train left the station when he started believing his own press...

Dr Fauci did NOT lie. The Pandemic was NEW and unique so the medical knowledge CHANGED as new scientific facts came in. Fauci was the main spokesman for Pandemic knowledge as it came AVAILABLE. So, of course if someone compared an EARLIER Fauci statement with a statement 6 months later and some TV host showed one a current video clip, and then compared it to an earlier Fauci video clip it might appear that Fauci lied, when in fact, he did not. He was a spokesman about CHANGING INFORMATION so naturally, he changed with each new piece of knowledge. Fauchi had about a 60 year history of service to medical science. HISTORY will remember him well, and so will I. He was also a good basketball player in College. (a little known fact)

jimjamuser 12-12-2022 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2165792)
No idea. I don't care about 7-8 years... It's a blip on the radar...

The last 7 years of the Gulf of Mexico WARMING was pretty important to the many Floridians living in Fort Meyers Beach that either DIED or lost homes during Hurricane Ian. So, I am suggesting, that whether a short warming period IS important depends on who you are, where you are, and when you are somewhere.

YeOldeCurmudgeon 12-12-2022 06:56 PM

[QUOTE=sounding;2165749]Sure. So ... how much did "man-made" CO2 warm the earth last year? Should be very easy to find via Google since everyone knows for sure that it is happening.[/QUOTE

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Check out the website that shows the increases in temperature since the advent of the Industrial Revolution. It's an incremental process. If you don't see it, it's because you're not paying attention or simply ignoring it. And it doesn't have to increase that much to cause disastrous effects.


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