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YeOldeCurmudgeon 12-12-2022 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2165749)
Sure. So ... how much did "man-made" CO2 warm the earth last year? Should be very easy to find via Google since everyone knows for sure that it is happening.

Sounding, are you a scientist? So, whether or not you are, can you explain why the GHE is based on junk science. If you make such a statement you should be able to explain it. Just saying it is meaningless because if you don't understand the mechanisms of how it works, then you shouldn't be saying it -- because you're only basing your statement on what someone tells you. How do you know they're telling the truth if you don't understand how it works? Oh, I know that greatest of all scientists and foremost genius of all time, Donald Trump, told you.

JMintzer 12-12-2022 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2165805)
Dr Fauci did NOT lie. The Pandemic was NEW and unique so the medical knowledge CHANGED as new scientific facts came in. Fauci was the main spokesman for Pandemic knowledge as it came AVAILABLE. So, of course if someone compared an EARLIER Fauci statement with a statement 6 months later and some TV host showed one a current video clip, and then compared it to an earlier Fauci video clip it might appear that Fauci lied, when in fact, he did not. He was a spokesman about CHANGING INFORMATION so naturally, he changed with each new piece of knowledge. Fauchi had about a 60 year history of service to medical science. HISTORY will remember him well, and so will I. He was also a good basketball player in College. (a little known fact)

He admitted he lied... Not changed his opinion, but LIED...

JMintzer 12-12-2022 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2165807)
The last 7 years of the Gulf of Mexico WARMING was pretty important to the many Floridians living in Fort Meyers Beach that either DIED or lost homes during Hurricane Ian. So, I am suggesting, that whether a short warming period IS important depends on who you are, where you are, and when you are somewhere.

Living in a costal area has been dangerous ever since people decided to live in costal areas...

It only matters IF the hurricane happens to make landfall... The vast majority of them don't...

JMintzer 12-12-2022 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2165807)
The last 7 years of the Gulf of Mexico WARMING was pretty important to the many Floridians living in Fort Meyers Beach that either DIED or lost homes during Hurricane Ian. So, I am suggesting, that whether a short warming period IS important depends on who you are, where you are, and when you are somewhere.

What about the Galveston Hurricane of 1900? Did the last 7-8 years of so called warming cause that one?

YeOldeCurmudgeon 12-12-2022 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2165820)
What about the Galveston Hurricane of 1900? Did the last 7-8 years of so called warming cause that one?

You don't judge a weather pattern by one event. Go to NASA and look at the graphs, look at the changes, especially since the year 2000. The Global Warming and related events are increasing at a faster pace. If you have been watching the Weather Channel, you would know that catastrophic weather events have been increasing and have been more damaging.

Why do people try to deny it? Why do they listen to politicians and not professional scientists like those that work for NASA and the NOAA? I guess you simply don't want to accept it, so it's better to try to deny it so you can ignore it and live as you have been living. Yes, an "Inconvenient Truth" was the perfect title for Gore's film and what he was predicting is coming true and yet people continue to deny it.

sounding 12-12-2022 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Worldseries27 (Post 2165779)
do the numbers.

So what ... in addition to humans, polar bears have tripled -- and neither harm the climate.

sounding 12-12-2022 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by YeOldeCurmudgeon (Post 2165832)
You don't judge a weather pattern by one event. Go to NASA and look at the graphs, look at the changes, especially since the year 2000. The Global Warming and related events are increasing at a faster pace. If you have been watching the Weather Channel, you would know that catastrophic weather events have been increasing and have been more damaging.

Why do people try to deny it? Why do they listen to politicians and not professional scientists like those that work for NASA and the NOAA? I guess you simply don't want to accept it, so it's better to try to deny it so you can ignore it and live as you have been living. Yes, an "Inconvenient Truth" was the perfect title for Gore's film and what he was predicting is coming true and yet people continue to deny it.

All of Gore's climate change predictions failed.

sounding 12-12-2022 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by YeOldeCurmudgeon (Post 2165811)
Sounding, are you a scientist? So, whether or not you are, can you explain why the GHE is based on junk science. If you make such a statement you should be able to explain it. Just saying it is meaningless because if you don't understand the mechanisms of how it works, then you shouldn't be saying it -- because you're only basing your statement on what someone tells you. How do you know they're telling the truth if you don't understand how it works? Oh, I know that greatest of all scientists and foremost genius of all time, Donald Trump, told you.

Who or what I am is not important. What is important is data and truth. Any idiot can make a forecast, but only an experienced forecaster who has made many verified forecasts can be trusted -- which is why all of Al Gore's climate change forecasts failed. So show me the data which supports the human danger to climate. Specifically, tell me how much "man-made" CO2 warmed the earth last year. It's easy -- just use your thermometer as a starting point.

fdpaq0580 12-12-2022 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2165833)
So what ... in addition to humans, polar bears have tripled -- and neither harm the climate.

1. Polar bear numbers are up thanks to hunting restrictions, not climate change which is bad for them.
2. The approximately 8 billion humans and the effects of their polution and habitat destruction has very definitely contributed to global warming. No amount of evidence, nothing will convince you. So, continue to ignore truth and continue to preach your misinformation and maybe, just maybe a miracle will happen to vindicate your opinions in the end.
Actually, I wish you were right, but you're not.

sounding 12-12-2022 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2165838)
1. Polar bear numbers are up thanks to hunting restrictions, not climate change which is bad for them.
2. The approximately 8 billion humans and the effects of their polution and habitat destruction has very definitely contributed to global warming. No amount of evidence, nothing will convince you. So, continue to ignore truth and continue to preach your misinformation and maybe, just maybe a miracle will happen to vindicate your opinions in the end.
Actually, I wish you were right, but you're not.

"No amount of evidence"? So, tell me ... how much has "man-made" CO2 warmed the earth last year?

fdpaq0580 12-12-2022 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by YeOldeCurmudgeon (Post 2165811)
Sounding, are you a scientist? So, whether or not you are, can you explain why the GHE is based on junk science. If you make such a statement you should be able to explain it. Just saying it is meaningless because if you don't understand the mechanisms of how it works, then you shouldn't be saying it -- because you're only basing your statement on what someone tells you. How do you know they're telling the truth if you don't understand how it works? Oh, I know that greatest of all scientists and foremost genius of all time, Donald Trump, told you.

Some are so committed to their belief that they would "rather die" (figuratively speaking) than be wrong. Others are so immersed in their denial that virtually no amount of evidence contrary to their position will be enough. Ever.
The earth is warming and human activity is helping to speed things up.

sounding 12-12-2022 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2165845)
Some are so committed to their belief that they would "rather die" (figuratively speaking) than be wrong. Others are so immersed in their denial that virtually no amount of evidence contrary to their position will be enough. Ever.
The earth is warming and human activity is helping to speed things up.

And now you know why Al Gore (and the others) are afraid of public debate -- because they are afraid to talk about data -- the key to truth. All they have is narrative -- and no data proving "man-made" CO2 affects our climate. In the meantime, enjoy our ongoing global cooling. And for data-driven information you are welcome here ... The Villages Weather Club

fdpaq0580 12-12-2022 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2165839)
"No amount of evidence"? So, tell me ... how much has "man-made" CO2 warmed the earth last year?

Why should I tell you? I'm not your secretary. You can look it up if you really cared. Besides, no matter what I or anyone tells you or the other deniers you call it bs and go off on another rant.

fdpaq0580 12-12-2022 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2165846)
And now you know why Al Gore (and the others) are afraid of public debate -- because they are afraid to talk about data -- the key to truth. All they have is narrative -- and no data proving "man-made" CO2 affects our climate. In the meantime, enjoy our ongoing global cooling. And for data-driven information you are welcome here ... The Villages Weather Club

I think you are intentionally mischaracterizing " Al Gore (and the others)" as being afraid of debate. They just don't want to waste their time talking with those who only want a platform to spew their misinformation and will never accept truth over ideology.
As to data, it was data from years of global studies that brought the subject in the first place.

sounding 12-12-2022 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2165847)
Why should I tell you? I'm not your secretary. You can look it up if you really cared. Besides, no matter what I or anyone tells you or the other deniers you call it bs and go off on another rant.

Good try, but that's not the answer -- and neither does Al Gore know. It's not my responsibility to look it up, since I am not claiming that CO2 is harming the climate. If you truly believe "man-made" CO2 is harming the climate then you should be able to say how much man-made CO2 has warmed the earth last year. Everyone knows that to be true - right?

sounding 12-12-2022 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2165848)
I think you are intentionally mischaracterizing " Al Gore (and the others)" as being afraid of debate. They just don't want to waste their time talking with those who only want a platform to spew their misinformation and will never accept truth over ideology.
As to data, it was data from years of global studies that brought the subject in the first place.

Great ... so how much has "man-made" CO2 warmed the earth last year? Just ask Al Gore, but he won't tell you. Guess why.

fdpaq0580 12-13-2022 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2165851)
Great ... so how much has "man-made" CO2 warmed the earth last year? Just ask Al Gore, but he won't tell you. Guess why.

You sure seem to know a lot about Al Gore. You some kind of spy?? Or are you psycho, I mean psychic? Besides, I don't really care about Gore.
Its late, I'm tired and I have an appointment in the morning. We can continue this nonsense tomorrow, but I'm going to bed. Good night, and pleasant dreams. 😴

MorTech 12-13-2022 03:43 AM

If the earth warms 9F, the land mass will turn into one big jungle from high atmospheric H2O and CO2 (aka, plant food)...The dinosaurs will come back and I for one am jonesing for a brontosaurus burger.

sounding 12-13-2022 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2165854)
You sure seem to know a lot about Al Gore. You some kind of spy?? Or are you psycho, I mean psychic? Besides, I don't really care about Gore.
Its late, I'm tired and I have an appointment in the morning. We can continue this nonsense tomorrow, but I'm going to bed. Good night, and pleasant dreams. 😴

Al Gore won the Nobel Peace Prize for making a science fiction movie (Inconvenient Truth), and yet world peace was never achieved and so far all his climate change forecasts have never verified. First time in history an award was given to someone for making a forecast. Any fool make a forecast -- but only an experienced forecaster who has made several verifiable forecasts can be trusted.

sounding 12-13-2022 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2165854)
You sure seem to know a lot about Al Gore. You some kind of spy?? Or are you psycho, I mean psychic? Besides, I don't really care about Gore.
Its late, I'm tired and I have an appointment in the morning. We can continue this nonsense tomorrow, but I'm going to bed. Good night, and pleasant dreams. 😴

Did you know solar panels on your roof can charge your car for free overnight? This is what happens when people listen to Al Gore and others who don't understand science, but prefer to utter nonsense about climate change ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyS9uqRLbB8

Keefelane66 12-13-2022 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2165905)
Did you know solar panels on your roof can charge your car for free overnight? This is what happens when people listen to Al Gore and others who don't understand science, but prefer to utter nonsense about climate change ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyS9uqRLbB8

Actually with Generac and Tesla power wall system solar energy is collected during the day making it available in the evening. I watched the video I received my 5th Covid shot and there wasn’t a tracking device in suringe.

OhioBuckeye 12-13-2022 08:52 AM

Besides I thought Al Gore fixed it! He made hundreds of millions off of it but it must of came back because Biden & his cons seem to think it’s back.

JMintzer 12-13-2022 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by YeOldeCurmudgeon (Post 2165832)
You don't judge a weather pattern by one event. Go to NASA and look at the graphs, look at the changes, especially since the year 2000. The Global Warming and related events are increasing at a faster pace. If you have been watching the Weather Channel, you would know that catastrophic weather events have been increasing and have been more damaging.

Why do people try to deny it? Why do they listen to politicians and not professional scientists like those that work for NASA and the NOAA? I guess you simply don't want to accept it, so it's better to try to deny it so you can ignore it and live as you have been living. Yes, an "Inconvenient Truth" was the perfect title for Gore's film and what he was predicting is coming true and yet people continue to deny it.

Exactly my point! And you don't judge "Climate Change" by 7-8 years... Or even 20 years...

sounding 12-13-2022 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2165980)
Exactly my point! And you don't judge "Climate Change" by 7-8 years... Or even 20 years...

Exactly my point ... why is there global cooling (last 7 years) during global warming? Is this the tipping point?

JMintzer 12-13-2022 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2165983)
Exactly my point ... why is there global cooling (last 7 years) during global warming? Is this the tipping point?

Because it's neither... It's "weather"...

sounding 12-13-2022 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2165993)
Because it's neither... It's "weather"...

Yes. Why has the weather been cooling for the past 7 years, when as Al Gore insists, should be heating up as CO2 increases?

PugMom 12-13-2022 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Bay Kid (Post 2165299)
This morning Yahoo blamed climate change for the inflation of some foods jumping 40% last month. Climate change is about money not climate. We have, and never will have, any control of the climate.

it won't stop them from trying! :cold:

sounding 12-13-2022 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by PugMom (Post 2166002)
it won't stop them from trying! :cold:

Ditto. The government has many times tried to change the weather, no less the climate, with no success. Even stop a tornado no-less a hurricane. It's all a myth ... just like DDT causes cancer, 2nd-hand smoke causes cancer, and CFCs cause the ozone hole. CO2 has only been proven to benefit plants, even helps human civilization during periods of global warming -- called climatic optimums.

JP 12-13-2022 12:43 PM

Personally, I feel most of the world's current "problems" are related to overpopulation. That being said, to put the current human population in perspective, you can put the ENTIRE world population of humans in Texas with 10 square feet around each person. Pretty crazy. So does this level of humans cause a planetary shift in CO2 amounts? Maybe some effect but the total cause and hence the total fix....no.

jimjamuser 12-13-2022 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2165833)
So what ... in addition to humans, polar bears have tripled -- and neither harm the climate.

Wow, that polar bear comment came out of left field. Since polar bears do NOT drive CO2-producing, fossil fuel burning - automobiles, then they do NOT affect the climate at all. But, humans do.......big time.

jimjamuser 12-13-2022 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2165838)
1. Polar bear numbers are up thanks to hunting restrictions, not climate change which is bad for them.
2. The approximately 8 billion humans and the effects of their polution and habitat destruction has very definitely contributed to global warming. No amount of evidence, nothing will convince you. So, continue to ignore truth and continue to preach your misinformation and maybe, just maybe a miracle will happen to vindicate your opinions in the end.
Actually, I wish you were right, but you're not.

True!

jimjamuser 12-13-2022 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2165850)
Good try, but that's not the answer -- and neither does Al Gore know. It's not my responsibility to look it up, since I am not claiming that CO2 is harming the climate. If you truly believe "man-made" CO2 is harming the climate then you should be able to say how much man-made CO2 has warmed the earth last year. Everyone knows that to be true - right?

Real climate scientists measure the temperatures at various points on the earth and have found INCREASING temperatures in 7 out of the last 8 years. They measure sea level RISE and find that INCREASING in the last decade. They have found CO2 INCREASING in the upper atmosphere and in the oceans in the last decade.

That, and I assume other indicators, is why 80% of global scientists agree that Global Warming is man-made.

jimjamuser 12-13-2022 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2166008)
Ditto. The government has many times tried to change the weather, no less the climate, with no success. Even stop a tornado no-less a hurricane. It's all a myth ... just like DDT causes cancer, 2nd-hand smoke causes cancer, and CFCs cause the ozone hole. CO2 has only been proven to benefit plants, even helps human civilization during periods of global warming -- called climatic optimums.

I believe that 2nd hand smoke can cause cancer.

JMintzer 12-13-2022 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2165997)
Yes. Why has the weather been cooling for the past 7 years, when as Al Gore insists, should be heating up as CO2 increases?

Because it has... 7 years does not a trend make...

MorTech 12-13-2022 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2165872)
Al Gore won the Nobel Peace Prize for making a science fiction movie (Inconvenient Truth), and yet world peace was never achieved and so far all his climate change forecasts have never verified. First time in history an award was given to someone for making a forecast. Any fool make a forecast -- but only an experienced forecaster who has made several verifiable forecasts can be trusted.

Obama won a Nobel Peace Prize and then proceeded to drop 100,000 bombs on people's heads. What does that tell you about the stupid freaks on the Nobel committee?...And Yasser Arafat?

sounding 12-13-2022 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MorTech (Post 2166143)
Obama won a Nobel Peace Prize and then proceeded to drop 100,000 bombs on people's heads. What does that tell you about the stupid freaks on the Nobel committee?...And Yasser Arafat?

To top it off, Professor Manabe who created the IPCC climate model which produced the worst verification results, won the 1991 Nobel Prize in Physics for his climate modeling expertise. The Nobel Prize has now become a political propaganda tool ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98zl8SlObLE

sounding 12-13-2022 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2166101)
I believe that 2nd hand smoke can cause cancer.

Religion is based on beliefs, because it does not require data. Science is based on data. There is no data proving 2nd-hand smoke causes cancer -- unless you can provide that data.

sounding 12-13-2022 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2166125)
Because it has... 7 years does not a trend make...

So why is the non-trend cooling for 7 years?

sounding 12-13-2022 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2166097)
Real climate scientists measure the temperatures at various points on the earth and have found INCREASING temperatures in 7 out of the last 8 years. They measure sea level RISE and find that INCREASING in the last decade. They have found CO2 INCREASING in the upper atmosphere and in the oceans in the last decade.

That, and I assume other indicators, is why 80% of global scientists agree that Global Warming is man-made.

If "man" really is making earth warm, then how much did "man-made" CO2 warm the earth last year?

jimjamuser 12-14-2022 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by MorTech (Post 2166143)
Obama won a Nobel Peace Prize and then proceeded to drop 100,000 bombs on people's heads. What does that tell you about the stupid freaks on the Nobel committee?...And Yasser Arafat?

The logic of WHY that happens is easy enough. The Peace Prize is given for a point in time - for promoting peace for that ONE YEAR that it was given. They do not wait until someone dies and then give out a Peace Prize as a lifetime achievement award. Life CHANGES and people change - one year they are the best in the world and then another year comes along and they are ordinary or even disliked. Obama made the MISTAKE of being the 1st black president. That's difficult territory to be in..........not everyone is going to applaud him for that achievement.


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