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Normal 04-08-2023 05:20 PM

You Can’t Change Nature and Physics
 
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2205527)
A warmer planet will cause flies, mosquitos, mice, and other rodent vermin to carry more deadly diseases to more humans in the now warmer temperate zones where the bulk of the earth's population exists. Be careful what you wish for, it could backfire!

When we get warmer, adjustments will just have to be made. Hopefully we do a lot better than the dinosaurs did when they moved from a warmer phase to a colder Ice age. The earth will always warm and cool, it is up to the human race to adjust or die.

sounding 04-08-2023 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2205536)
When we get warmer, adjustments will just have to be made. Hopefully we do a lot better than the dinosaurs did when they moved from a warmer phase to a colder Ice age. The earth will always warm and cool, it is up to the human race to adjust or die.

History repeatedly shows that humanity advances during warm periods (like the Medieval and Roman warm periods) and suffers during cold periods (like the Dark Ages and the Little Ice Age).

CoachKandSportsguy 04-08-2023 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2205546)
History repeatedly shows that humanity advances during warm periods (like the Medieval and Roman warm periods) and suffers during cold periods (like the Dark Ages and the Little Ice Age).

Oh interesting! There were other times in history when temperatures rose above the norm. The only problem is that todays thermometer is only almost 200 years old. So with only 200 years of measured history in small records, we can can now speculate about the prior 2000 years as the same as last first 100 years of the thermometer

Clown world

Boffin 04-08-2023 09:10 PM

Temperature History
 
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sounding 04-08-2023 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 2205575)
Oh interesting! There were other times in history when temperatures rose above the norm. The only problem is that todays thermometer is only almost 200 years old. So with only 200 years of measured history in small records, we can can now speculate about the prior 2000 years as the same as last first 100 years of the thermometer

Clown world

While speculation is fun, there are numerous proxies showing past warm/cool cycles, which are confirmed by the IPCC and many others. This is how we know about the Ice Ages and many other climate changes. Javier Vinos has a great book about this called -- Climate of the Past, Present and Future.

sounding 04-08-2023 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Boffin (Post 2205583)

Good graph. Shows we have been in the Pleistocene Ice Age for the past 2.5 million years. These are chilly times on earth.

Nana2Teddy 04-09-2023 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Regorp (Post 2205384)
Arrived in August and would pour every day, so gutters were first priority. Call Stipes to install by end of May or beware of flooded lanai.

Thanks! We’re on list to glass-in lanai before May. Will still look into gutters though.

kkingston57 04-09-2023 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2205509)
Cor D'alaine Idaho would have been a better choice for the summer 6 months.

And a boatload more expensive,

kkingston57 04-09-2023 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2205513)
A warmer planet is a better planet. Maybe, if it gets warm enough, the Vikings will return to Greenland -- which will be more green -- and that's a good thing.

Greenland getting warm and probably melting? No worry. Most of the population of Florida would be below sea level.

sounding 04-09-2023 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by kkingston57 (Post 2205744)
Greenland getting warm and probably melting? No worry. Most of the population of Florida would be below sea level.

During the last Interglacial Warm Period (the Eemian) the oceans were 15 to 25 feet higher than today. So more sea level rise is completely natural. We should expect that to happen because we are still thawing out from the Little Ice Age. Fortunately, the Villages is above 60 feet ASL, and we won't have to drive so far to get to the coast.

jimjamuser 04-09-2023 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2205534)
Think outside the box. When the earth warms, populations will move north. Once the Greenland ice melts just think of how many millions of more people can live there. And image of all the coal, oil, and gas just waiting to be mined -- and probably gold & silver and more. Oh -- I am wishing for global warming. No wonder Trump wanted to buy Greenland.

Buying Greenland WOULD have been a great idea. The US has historically profited when it had a frontier to exploit (and minerals like Lithium and others would have been helpful).

jimjamuser 04-09-2023 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2205546)
History repeatedly shows that humanity advances during warm periods (like the Medieval and Roman warm periods) and suffers during cold periods (like the Dark Ages and the Little Ice Age).

But, those times were NOT caused by MAN and their habit of expelling excessive CO2 gas. Very different situations!

jimjamuser 04-09-2023 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Boffin (Post 2205583)

Gee whiz, I wonder why the graph of temperatures today is headed STRAIGHT UP? That could NOT POSSIBLY have anything to do with mankind, CO2 production, and Global Warming?

jimjamuser 04-09-2023 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2205584)
While speculation is fun, there are numerous proxies showing past warm/cool cycles, which are confirmed by the IPCC and many others. This is how we know about the Ice Ages and many other climate changes. Javier Vinos has a great book about this called -- Climate of the Past, Present and Future.

Didn't Javier play 2nd base for the Yankees in 1975?

jimjamuser 04-09-2023 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by kkingston57 (Post 2205743)
And a boatload more expensive,

Strangely, it is only recently (last 10 years) that Coeur d'Alene has gotten expensive due to re-location by Californians. The Villages have become very expensive in the last 5 years also.
........The rich can live anywhere they want!

jimjamuser 04-09-2023 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by kkingston57 (Post 2205744)
Greenland getting warm and probably melting? No worry. Most of the population of Florida would be below sea level.

True that! All the world's oceans are raising at an increasing rate. Tell your children NOT to buy Florida coastal property. In fact, due to increasing heat tell them that they would be better off in North Carolina.

sounding 04-09-2023 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2205783)
Didn't Javier play 2nd base for the Yankees in 1975?

You decide. Here is his book ...
https://judithcurry.com/wp-content/u...s-CPPF2022.pdf

sounding 04-09-2023 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2205781)
Gee whiz, I wonder why the graph of temperatures today is headed STRAIGHT UP? That could NOT POSSIBLY have anything to do with mankind, CO2 production, and Global Warming?

PAUSE is in the title of the article, but the "trend" line is negative (or slight cooling) ... The New Pause lengthens to 8 years 9 months – Watts Up With That?

JMintzer 04-09-2023 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2205781)
Gee whiz, I wonder why the graph of temperatures today is headed STRAIGHT UP? That could NOT POSSIBLY have anything to do with mankind, CO2 production, and Global Warming?

Good question. Can you explain why it went straight down just before it went straight up?

Stu from NYC 04-09-2023 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2205805)
Good question. Can you explain why it went straight down just before it went straight up?

Once again confusing people with facts. Your point does not fit the narrative so it will not be acceptable.

Dusty_Star 04-10-2023 05:14 AM

& we just may get lots of rain by the end of this week. A bit earlier than predicted.

midiwiz 04-10-2023 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Boffin (Post 2205060)
With less than 2 inches of rain this year, Orlando is enduring its second driest stretch from Jan. 1 to April 5 since the late 1800s and also its hottest on record for that period.

Central Florida and much of the state’s peninsula are experiencing a widening severe drought, according to the U.S. Drought Monitor, a collaboration of universities and federal environmental agencies.

“When was the last time it rained?” said Fran Boettcher, a master gardener at the Orange County and University of Florida agricultural extension center. “Who can remember?”

In Orlando, the last measurable rain was 25 days ago, when just .15 inches barely wetted the ground, boosting the year’s rain to 1.89 inches, or about as much as a single, typical summer downpour can bring.

The Drought Monitor is updated weekly on Thursday mornings. The newest report shows 55 percent of Florida under severe drought now, up from 20 percent at the start of this year and less than 1 percent last year at this time.

Also on Thursday, Florida’s commissioner of agriculture, Wilton Simpson, warned of a potentially torrid brush and forest fire season in the making from Ocala south across a tinder-dry landscape. His department oversees the Florida Forest Service, the lead agency for wildfire responses.

He urged care with backyard barbecues and watchfulness for arson and lightning strikes. Burn bans have been declared for Brevard, Orange, Osceola and Seminole counties.

We are asking everyone to be very vigilant,” Simpson said. “We realize this already has been a very busy season.”

Typically, April is a tough month for lawns and landscaping, as spring brings hotter weather but not much rain. On average, the dry season transitions to the rainy season in Orlando on May 27, or five days before the Atlantic hurricane season begins.

Derrick Weitlich, a lead meteorologist and climate program leader at the National Weather Service in Central Florida, said precipitation across the region so far in 2023 has ranged from 1 to 4 inches, which is as much as 6 inches below normal.

But, with global heating stirring the climate pot, weather has been wickedly fickle during the past half-year.

Hurricane Ian brought widespread flooding and record rainfall to Central Florida in late September.

By early October, the Florida peninsula was entirely drought free, according to the U.S. Drought Monitor, while much of the West and especially California were dealing with brutally dry conditions.

With historic amounts of rain and snow this year in California and unrelenting drying out across Florida’s peninsula, the drought map has reversed.

California now has almost no severe drought and nearly all of Florida’s peninsula is swaddled in it.

The Drought Monitor Thursday cited reports in Central Florida of “numerous impacts of very dry conditions in the region including water holes drying up and areas experiencing extremely poor pasture conditions with supplemental feeding necessary to maintain livestock.”

For Central Florida residents watching their lawns broil into brown, Boettcher, the master gardener, suggested it might be time to consider switching to Florida native plants that can shrug off dry spells a lot better than thirsty grass.

“Lawns need a lot of water, fertilizer and pest control,” Boettcher said. “That’s a lot of time and a lot of pocket book.”

just wait 5 minutes and it changes. no big deal happens every year.

Normal 04-10-2023 06:13 AM

Visual
 
A lot of people live on or near irrigation reservoirs, (retention ponds) down south. The dynamic visual may contribute to anxiety about no rain, but a quick Internet search will tell you rain comes in May and continues throughout the summer and fall months. The aquifers underground should be spot on for water for this time of year, SO RELAX and ENJOY.

Causey 04-10-2023 06:40 AM

Left New England to escape snow and ice. The plan has come together nicely, the weather has been great. Not even one day of golf lost to rain, this year so far. Love the Florida sunshine.

Bill14564 04-10-2023 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2205937)
A lot of people live on or near irrigation reservoirs, (retention ponds) down south. The dynamic visual may contribute to anxiety about no rain, but a quick Internet search will tell you rain comes in May and continues throughout the summer and fall months. The aquifers underground should be spot on for water for this time of year, SO RELAX and ENJOY.

The ponds in the north are very low as well. That quick search of the internet will also show that our rainfall this year is far below normal. While the heavier rains do start in May and June, we still should get some rain in January through April - more than we have had this year. (Then again, 2022 started slow as well and finished with higher than average rainfall)

OrangeBlossomBaby 04-10-2023 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2205950)
The ponds in the north are very low as well. That quick search of the internet will also show that our rainfall this year is far below normal. While the heavier rains do start in May and June, we still should get some rain in January through April - more than we have had this year. (Then again, 2022 started slow as well and finished with higher than average rainfall)

A concern about lower rainfall for months: the dirt becomes packed. It can't absorb the rain as quickly as if it was kept somewhat moist throughout. If it's been dry for months and there's suddenly a downpour, it can quickly flood before it can absorb into the ground.

Sort of like a kitchen dish sponge. When they're totally dried out, they don't absorb as efficiently in getting water off the counter. But if you wet them and squeeze them first - they'll get the water up quick in a jiffy.

Normal 04-10-2023 07:27 AM

Yes
 
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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2205950)
The ponds in the north are very low as well. That quick search of the internet will also show that our rainfall this year is far below normal. While the heavier rains do start in May and June, we still should get some rain in January through April - more than we have had this year. (Then again, 2022 started slow as well and finished with higher than average rainfall)

True, but just an anomaly for the weather here.

Year-to-Date Rainfall / Forecasts / Fire Weather / Wildland Fire / Forest & Wildfire / Home - Florida Department of Agriculture & Consumer Services

There are better years for rain and worse. It comes and goes.


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