Has anyone reading this thread seen even ONE argument for or against, that they haven't seen probably hundreds of times before? I sure haven't. Not surprising, I guess. This game of Dueling Numbers convinces no one.

As Mark Twain once observed; there are three kinds of untruths: "lies, damned lies, and statistics". Statistics are the worst, because people can make them say anything they want them to say.

For myself, I'll continue to live my life the way I always have, enjoying my toys and the ability to play with them unhindered, and will vote for people who tend toward common sense rather than hysteria. Still possible (for the present, anyway) in America.

Any tee times available this afternoon ?

"Oh, I used to be disgusted
And now I try to be amused
But since their wings have got rusted
You know, the angels wanna wear my red shoes..."


- Elvis Costello

The media is our worst enemy for all the points you make. We stopped watching the nightly news years ago and have never watched any of those entertainment shows that claim to report the news. We still stay informed but without all the hyperbolly. It’s refreshing.

Corals in coral reefs (like all creatures, even humans) have a temperature range that they can exist in. Those temperatures have been exceeded this summer (this past July is officially the hottest worldwide on record) on both land and ocean. 90 % of coral worldwide has died in a time frame of about 20 years. And it WILL get worse as the climate scientists are predicting, at least, 7 years of increasing planet warming.
Veteran reef divers today come out of the water crying because of the dead, bleached coral. This is caused by excess CO2 in the ocean and in the upper atmosphere, which is caused by the increased earth's population needing ICE vehicles to move around using fossil fuels. Also, vehicles used in agriculture and industry.
One small recent fact that is appropriate to this discussion is that Orlando has for the 1st time recorded temps of 98 deg for 5 days recently, today maybe the 6th. Global warming increased SLOWLY after Al Gore tried to make the US aware of it. Now today, it IS HERE right in Orlando like staring into the barrel of a robber's gun - it is THAT obvious. Many will pretend that the robber does not exist. Just go outside today and walk or jog around the block in the afternoon - notice that you will come back with severe sweating. Just being outside today here is considered medically dangerous. 20 years ago do you remember the TV people warning everyone to stay hydrated and everyone carrying a water bottle.......NO. That intuitively tells you that Global Warming has increased in recent years. And next summer will be worse and so on. The only possible solution is a rapid trend to electric vehicles in the next 4 years.

Corals might "LOVE" warm water, but they may NOT love excessively HOT water (which is killing them). People would like a hot tub with 104 deg F water in it. But, they will NOT like to jump into a hot tub at 120 deg F. As far as people go, the Police know that murders and crime increase in the summer as the cities HEAT up. Mental health problems increase with heat. Hospitals are now filled with heat stroke patients. Ask yourselves, what will it be like in 4 years as these hot summers get increasingly HOTTER?

Amazing. One note Johnny continues on.


90 % of coral worldwide has died in a time frame of about 20 years.

Love to see proof of that claim. And I mean legitimate proof, not something from "Chicken Little the Earth is Warming monthly"


98 deg for 5 days recently, today maybe the 6th

Yes! 5 days out of the last 4 1/2 million years. Sounds like "proof" to me:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Al Gore tried to make the US aware of it.

To paraphrase the Bard---"Global Warming is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury but signifying nothing"

20 years ago do you remember the TV people warning everyone to stay hydrated and everyone carrying a water bottle.......NO.

20 years ago do you remember everyone carrying a cell phone? NO---cell phones must be causing global warming (Post hoc ergo propter hoc):1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

The only possible solution is a rapid trend to electric vehicles in the next 4 years.

Yep---a solution waiting for an actual problem

Really????

From Harvard University School of Public Health:

Hospital admissions for heat stroke declining in the U.S.

The number of hospital admissions for heat stroke has declined significantly in the United States in recent years, according to a new study from Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health published in the journal Environmental Health. In one of the largest studies of its kind, researchers examined data from more than 23 million Medicare beneficiaries in 1,916 U.S. counties.

Care to modify your claim?????

With climate change, health care providers should be more mindful of heat-related illness, doctors say | CNN

This is rather recent.

I can tell you one thing, I see no tennis players out on the courts in the afternoons here. And very seldom do I see pickleball players in the afternoon. Which is actually smart. Would it not be nice if the village's gyms allowed tennis and pickleball players to use the A/C, which is just wasted on non-school hours and days?

Recent and from CNN

Therefore validity = ZERO

Well, that's probably a true statement. Of course, they weren't out there last year or the year before, or 20 years ago.

So while you have posted one of your rare true statements, it proves ABSOLUTELY NOTHING

I guess it depends on where you are looking.

Played 2 hrs. of singles tennis against my wife this past Wednesday, and another two hours of doubles yesterday afternoon. Golf this afternoon, tennis tomorrow morning beginning at about 11 am (singles again). And we don't play pattycake tennis, but all-out.

We have a choice. We can bellyache about the heat and stay huddled up next to the A/C OR we can enjoy what Florida summers have to offer. Drink about a pint of electrolyte solution BEFORE starting to play, drink plenty of water during play, take a short rest of 1-2 minutes during side changes, and two hours pass pretty fast. I scarcely notice the heat except that from time to time the raquet will turn in my hand if my palms get sweaty.

I clearly remember around 1980 tennis courts in Florida having players during the summer afternoons. But, there is no getting around the fact that worldwide this recent JULY has the highest recorded temperatures EVER.

Heat-related illnesses are on the rise - Harvard Health.

I did find this.

Ever??? You mean since 1979 when they changed the methodology of calculating those temperatures

It is true that individuals can have different capabilities to withstand high HEAT and play sports outside during the afternoon in Florida. Age would certainly be one factor. Personally, I don't think that most people in the Villages would REALLY enjoy playing tennis or pickleball in the afternoon Florida HEAT. Some may do it, but is it REALLY worth it? Stress to the body is GOOD in athletic activity up to a point. I think that it is easy to pass over the point where a person is doing something good for their health and get into an area of too much physical stress, which may be damaging to their system.
But, if a person can do it and TRULY enjoy it, then more power to them!

Thank you.

Where will the electricity magically come from to fuel all of these vehicles?

Recent and right in line with "the sky is falling" mantra they promote...

You NEVER saw tennis players on the courts in the afternoons in Florida...

Anyone with half a brain knew that it was hot outside and the worst time to play...


I remember going to Las Vegas with my parents some 50 years ago. Tennis was HUGE at that time.

The outdoor courts were PACKED from dawn until lunchtime. Then they were empty until the sun went down... Then they were packed agin until Midnight...

Hmmm... I wonder why that was? Maybe because it's FREAKIN' HOT in Vegas in the summer? Just like Central Florida?

Burn more coal?

I think a whole lot of it is attitude. For myself, I spent 72 years on that "tundra" called Minnesota. Compared to that, this is heaven!

Good round of golf yesterday afternoon though. Few people on the course so I could play at my own speed (pretty fast, usually).

No! He said "magically", to me that implies solar because it seems to come out of nowhere.

jimjamuser....90 % of coral worldwide has died in a time frame of about 20 years.

The Great Barrier Reef in Australia is growing back at a tremendous rate after a period of bleaching. Greatest amount of growth for about 36 years.
Source:
My brother. He lives there.

Threats to the Reef - Great Barrier Reef Foundation - Great Barrier Reef Foundation.

Looks there are serious threats to the great barrier reef.

Coral bleaching - Great Barrier Reef Foundation

Where did the electricity come from to run the thousands of homes they build here in The Villages annually?

Not a chance that solar will come anywhere near close to producing the needed extra electricity...

Burning trash... Just like before...

Coral Bleaching: What it is, how it happens and what we're doing to help.

Send us money...

So guess we need to burn more trash. Have a dresser we have wanted to get rid of so bye bye

More people, more trash...

You from up "Nort"?
 

You's must be from up Nort dhar' eh?

So, to summarize some of the posts on here claiming "cause and effect" of global warming, I have come to the conclusion that ever since we started the space program, our climate has gotten warmer. Therefore, if we stop the space program we will stop global warming. I also hypothesize that if we spend at least a trillion bucks to study this phenomenon then at the end of the funding, I believe the scientist will come to the conclusion that the world is not in fact be warming but actually cooling. Since that needs to be explored and studied, and need an action plan to prevent global cooling, the scientists will require at least two or three trillion bucks to fund said study. No problem, we will just increase taxes to pay for it.

Oh, yeah? Nah! The whole weather hot/cold thing is actually a world wide conspiracy among the heating and air-conditioning companies to become addicted to artificially heated and cooled air where we cannot live without it. Even now, if you pay attention to your breathing, you can feel the air getting
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Is it correct ? The forecast for the next three days absolute temp (not heat index) 98 97 98 ?

Sounds about right but the Villages is so huge now temps can vary a bit.

Glaciers are growing? Also, the moon landings were faked, the military has alien bodies from crashed UFO's at Area 51, and 9/11 was an inside job!

Looks like stuff you would see at the Walmart check-out racks. Stuff they make up to sell newspapers about what some celebrity did what to who and how and how large her or his whatever is.