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ThirdOfFive 08-11-2023 08:26 AM

Has anyone reading this thread seen even ONE argument for or against, that they haven't seen probably hundreds of times before? I sure haven't. Not surprising, I guess. This game of Dueling Numbers convinces no one.

As Mark Twain once observed; there are three kinds of untruths: "lies, damned lies, and statistics". Statistics are the worst, because people can make them say anything they want them to say.

For myself, I'll continue to live my life the way I always have, enjoying my toys and the ability to play with them unhindered, and will vote for people who tend toward common sense rather than hysteria. Still possible (for the present, anyway) in America.

rustyp 08-11-2023 08:27 AM

Any tee times available this afternoon ?

JMintzer 08-11-2023 08:32 AM

"Oh, I used to be disgusted
And now I try to be amused
But since their wings have got rusted
You know, the angels wanna wear my red shoes..."


- Elvis Costello

Jim1mack 08-11-2023 09:09 AM

The media is our worst enemy for all the points you make. We stopped watching the nightly news years ago and have never watched any of those entertainment shows that claim to report the news. We still stay informed but without all the hyperbolly. It’s refreshing.

jimjamuser 08-11-2023 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2243773)
The coral reefs are at an all time high over the past 37 years -- thanks to increasing CO2 and global warming. They need CO2 to grow their protective reefs. Corals were much more diverse when the the climate was warmer with higher CO2 levels. Plus they love warm water -- which is why they live mostly along the equator.

Corals in coral reefs (like all creatures, even humans) have a temperature range that they can exist in. Those temperatures have been exceeded this summer (this past July is officially the hottest worldwide on record) on both land and ocean. 90 % of coral worldwide has died in a time frame of about 20 years. And it WILL get worse as the climate scientists are predicting, at least, 7 years of increasing planet warming.
Veteran reef divers today come out of the water crying because of the dead, bleached coral. This is caused by excess CO2 in the ocean and in the upper atmosphere, which is caused by the increased earth's population needing ICE vehicles to move around using fossil fuels. Also, vehicles used in agriculture and industry.
One small recent fact that is appropriate to this discussion is that Orlando has for the 1st time recorded temps of 98 deg for 5 days recently, today maybe the 6th. Global warming increased SLOWLY after Al Gore tried to make the US aware of it. Now today, it IS HERE right in Orlando like staring into the barrel of a robber's gun - it is THAT obvious. Many will pretend that the robber does not exist. Just go outside today and walk or jog around the block in the afternoon - notice that you will come back with severe sweating. Just being outside today here is considered medically dangerous. 20 years ago do you remember the TV people warning everyone to stay hydrated and everyone carrying a water bottle.......NO. That intuitively tells you that Global Warming has increased in recent years. And next summer will be worse and so on. The only possible solution is a rapid trend to electric vehicles in the next 4 years.

jimjamuser 08-11-2023 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2243817)
Attacking the person is a favorite tool of climate alarmists, which is not how science works. Science is based on data - not rhetoric. Here's the data. Notice there is no coral growing in the flaming hot polar oceans. They love warm water and CO2.

Corals might "LOVE" warm water, but they may NOT love excessively HOT water (which is killing them). People would like a hot tub with 104 deg F water in it. But, they will NOT like to jump into a hot tub at 120 deg F. As far as people go, the Police know that murders and crime increase in the summer as the cities HEAT up. Mental health problems increase with heat. Hospitals are now filled with heat stroke patients. Ask yourselves, what will it be like in 4 years as these hot summers get increasingly HOTTER?

golfing eagles 08-11-2023 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2244058)
Corals in coral reefs (like all creatures, even humans) have a temperature range that they can exist in. Those temperatures have been exceeded this summer (this past July is officially the hottest worldwide on record) on both land and ocean. 90 % of coral worldwide has died in a time frame of about 20 years. And it WILL get worse as the climate scientists are predicting, at least, 7 years of increasing planet warming.
Veteran reef divers today come out of the water crying because of the dead, bleached coral. This is caused by excess CO2 in the ocean and in the upper atmosphere, which is caused by the increased earth's population needing ICE vehicles to move around using fossil fuels. Also, vehicles used in agriculture and industry.
One small recent fact that is appropriate to this discussion is that Orlando has for the 1st time recorded temps of 98 deg for 5 days recently, today maybe the 6th. Global warming increased SLOWLY after Al Gore tried to make the US aware of it. Now today, it IS HERE right in Orlando like staring into the barrel of a robber's gun - it is THAT obvious. Many will pretend that the robber does not exist. Just go outside today and walk or jog around the block in the afternoon - notice that you will come back with severe sweating. Just being outside today here is considered medically dangerous. 20 years ago do you remember the TV people warning everyone to stay hydrated and everyone carrying a water bottle.......NO. That intuitively tells you that Global Warming has increased in recent years. And next summer will be worse and so on. The only possible solution is a rapid trend to electric vehicles in the next 4 years.

Amazing. One note Johnny continues on.


90 % of coral worldwide has died in a time frame of about 20 years.

Love to see proof of that claim. And I mean legitimate proof, not something from "Chicken Little the Earth is Warming monthly"


98 deg for 5 days recently, today maybe the 6th

Yes! 5 days out of the last 4 1/2 million years. Sounds like "proof" to me:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Al Gore tried to make the US aware of it.

To paraphrase the Bard---"Global Warming is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury but signifying nothing"

20 years ago do you remember the TV people warning everyone to stay hydrated and everyone carrying a water bottle.......NO.

20 years ago do you remember everyone carrying a cell phone? NO---cell phones must be causing global warming (Post hoc ergo propter hoc):1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

The only possible solution is a rapid trend to electric vehicles in the next 4 years.

Yep---a solution waiting for an actual problem

golfing eagles 08-11-2023 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2244063)
Corals might "LOVE" warm water, but they may NOT love excessively HOT water (which is killing them). People would like a hot tub with 104 deg F water in it. But, they will NOT like to jump into a hot tub at 120 deg F. As far as people go, the Police know that murders and crime increase in the summer as the cities HEAT up. Mental health problems increase with heat. Hospitals are now filled with heat stroke patients. Ask yourselves, what will it be like in 4 years as these hot summers get increasingly HOTTER?

Really????

From Harvard University School of Public Health:

Hospital admissions for heat stroke declining in the U.S.

The number of hospital admissions for heat stroke has declined significantly in the United States in recent years, according to a new study from Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health published in the journal Environmental Health. In one of the largest studies of its kind, researchers examined data from more than 23 million Medicare beneficiaries in 1,916 U.S. counties.

Care to modify your claim?????

Taltarzac725 08-11-2023 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2244070)
Really????

From Harvard University School of Public Health:

Hospital admissions for heat stroke declining in the U.S.

The number of hospital admissions for heat stroke has declined significantly in the United States in recent years, according to a new study from Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health published in the journal Environmental Health. In one of the largest studies of its kind, researchers examined data from more than 23 million Medicare beneficiaries in 1,916 U.S. counties.

Care to modify your claim?????


With climate change, health care providers should be more mindful of heat-related illness, doctors say | CNN

This is rather recent.

jimjamuser 08-11-2023 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 2243985)
Any tee times available this afternoon ?

I can tell you one thing, I see no tennis players out on the courts in the afternoons here. And very seldom do I see pickleball players in the afternoon. Which is actually smart. Would it not be nice if the village's gyms allowed tennis and pickleball players to use the A/C, which is just wasted on non-school hours and days?

golfing eagles 08-11-2023 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2244075)

Recent and from CNN

Therefore validity = ZERO

golfing eagles 08-11-2023 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser;2244081[B
]I can tell you one thing, I see no tennis players out on the courts in the afternoons here. And very seldom do I see pickleball players in the afternoon.[/B] Which is actually smart. Would it not be nice if the village's gyms allowed tennis and pickleball players to use the A/C, which is just wasted on non-school hours and days?

Well, that's probably a true statement. Of course, they weren't out there last year or the year before, or 20 years ago.

So while you have posted one of your rare true statements, it proves ABSOLUTELY NOTHING

ThirdOfFive 08-11-2023 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2244081)
I can tell you one thing, I see no tennis players out on the courts in the afternoons here. And very seldom do I see pickleball players in the afternoon. Which is actually smart. Would it not be nice if the village's gyms allowed tennis and pickleball players to use the A/C, which is just wasted on non-school hours and days?

I guess it depends on where you are looking.

Played 2 hrs. of singles tennis against my wife this past Wednesday, and another two hours of doubles yesterday afternoon. Golf this afternoon, tennis tomorrow morning beginning at about 11 am (singles again). And we don't play pattycake tennis, but all-out.

We have a choice. We can bellyache about the heat and stay huddled up next to the A/C OR we can enjoy what Florida summers have to offer. Drink about a pint of electrolyte solution BEFORE starting to play, drink plenty of water during play, take a short rest of 1-2 minutes during side changes, and two hours pass pretty fast. I scarcely notice the heat except that from time to time the raquet will turn in my hand if my palms get sweaty.

jimjamuser 08-11-2023 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2244089)
Well, that's probably a true statement. Of course, they weren't out there last year or the year before, or 20 years ago.

So while you have posted one of your rare true statements, it proves ABSOLUTELY NOTHING

I clearly remember around 1980 tennis courts in Florida having players during the summer afternoons. But, there is no getting around the fact that worldwide this recent JULY has the highest recorded temperatures EVER.

Taltarzac725 08-11-2023 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2244103)
OK, that was just one small part of my post, but maybe (?) it does need modification. I believe that I read or heard about hospitals in the Orlando area being filled with heat exhaustion and stroke victims. And also warnings from Doctors to stay hydrated. So I DID make an ASSUMPTION that since Az, NM, Texas, and much of the south and as far north as Chicago .......were in EXTREME heat and heat advisory conditions that I DID assume that hospital beds were full of patients with HEAT-related problems. Also, that our recent month of JULY has had the highest recorded temperatures.....EVER, that led me to SUSPECT that hospitals were overcrowded with heat-related problems.
I seriously doubt the statement that RECENTLY there have been fewer HEAT strokes nationwide, but I WILL try to google that question. Thank you.
Logically, it seems strange that with a greater population in the US due to recent unchecked immigration that the TOTAL number of heat strokes would NOT rise. Maybe we are talking strokes per hundred persons or something like that. But, even so the US has more recent home foreclosures due to interest rate increases - so more people are out on the street homeless. And July is a record temperature month plus more moisture in the atmosphere so the "feels like" temp will be up. So, I don't see how logically heat strokes could possibly GO DOWN !

Heat-related illnesses are on the rise - Harvard Health.

I did find this.

golfing eagles 08-11-2023 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2244111)
I clearly remember around 1980 tennis courts in Florida having players during the summer afternoons. But, there is no getting around the fact that worldwide this recent JULY has the highest recorded temperatures EVER.

Ever??? You mean since 1979 when they changed the methodology of calculating those temperatures

jimjamuser 08-11-2023 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive (Post 2244098)
I guess it depends on where you are looking.

Played 2 hrs. of singles tennis against my wife this past Wednesday, and another two hours of doubles yesterday afternoon. Golf this afternoon, tennis tomorrow morning beginning at about 11 am (singles again). And we don't play pattycake tennis, but all-out.

We have a choice. We can bellyache about the heat and stay huddled up next to the A/C OR we can enjoy what Florida summers have to offer. Drink about a pint of electrolyte solution BEFORE starting to play, drink plenty of water during play, take a short rest of 1-2 minutes during side changes, and two hours pass pretty fast. I scarcely notice the heat except that from time to time the raquet will turn in my hand if my palms get sweaty.

It is true that individuals can have different capabilities to withstand high HEAT and play sports outside during the afternoon in Florida. Age would certainly be one factor. Personally, I don't think that most people in the Villages would REALLY enjoy playing tennis or pickleball in the afternoon Florida HEAT. Some may do it, but is it REALLY worth it? Stress to the body is GOOD in athletic activity up to a point. I think that it is easy to pass over the point where a person is doing something good for their health and get into an area of too much physical stress, which may be damaging to their system.
But, if a person can do it and TRULY enjoy it, then more power to them!

jimjamuser 08-11-2023 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2244113)

Thank you.

JMintzer 08-11-2023 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2244058)
The only possible solution is a rapid trend to electric vehicles in the next 4 years.

Where will the electricity magically come from to fuel all of these vehicles?

JMintzer 08-11-2023 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2244075)

Recent and right in line with "the sky is falling" mantra they promote...

JMintzer 08-11-2023 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2244081)
I can tell you one thing, I see no tennis players out on the courts in the afternoons here. And very seldom do I see pickleball players in the afternoon. Which is actually smart. Would it not be nice if the village's gyms allowed tennis and pickleball players to use the A/C, which is just wasted on non-school hours and days?

You NEVER saw tennis players on the courts in the afternoons in Florida...

Anyone with half a brain knew that it was hot outside and the worst time to play...


I remember going to Las Vegas with my parents some 50 years ago. Tennis was HUGE at that time.

The outdoor courts were PACKED from dawn until lunchtime. Then they were empty until the sun went down... Then they were packed agin until Midnight...

Hmmm... I wonder why that was? Maybe because it's FREAKIN' HOT in Vegas in the summer? Just like Central Florida?

Stu from NYC 08-11-2023 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2244177)
Where will the electricity magically come from to fuel all of these vehicles?

Burn more coal?

JMintzer 08-11-2023 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2244262)
Burn more coal?

https://media.tenor.com/cH9gfgKqp-cAAAAC/umm-wait.gif

ThirdOfFive 08-12-2023 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2244119)
It is true that individuals can have different capabilities to withstand high HEAT and play sports outside during the afternoon in Florida. Age would certainly be one factor. Personally, I don't think that most people in the Villages would REALLY enjoy playing tennis or pickleball in the afternoon Florida HEAT. Some may do it, but is it REALLY worth it? Stress to the body is GOOD in athletic activity up to a point. I think that it is easy to pass over the point where a person is doing something good for their health and get into an area of too much physical stress, which may be damaging to their system.
But, if a person can do it and TRULY enjoy it, then more power to them!

I think a whole lot of it is attitude. For myself, I spent 72 years on that "tundra" called Minnesota. Compared to that, this is heaven!

Good round of golf yesterday afternoon though. Few people on the course so I could play at my own speed (pretty fast, usually).

fdpaq0580 08-12-2023 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2244262)
Burn more coal?

No! He said "magically", to me that implies solar because it seems to come out of nowhere.

Two Bills 08-12-2023 07:45 AM

jimjamuser....90 % of coral worldwide has died in a time frame of about 20 years.

The Great Barrier Reef in Australia is growing back at a tremendous rate after a period of bleaching. Greatest amount of growth for about 36 years.
Source:
My brother. He lives there.

Taltarzac725 08-12-2023 08:28 AM

Threats to the Reef - Great Barrier Reef Foundation - Great Barrier Reef Foundation.

Looks there are serious threats to the great barrier reef.

Coral bleaching - Great Barrier Reef Foundation

Keefelane66 08-12-2023 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2244177)
Where will the electricity magically come from to fuel all of these vehicles?

Where did the electricity come from to run the thousands of homes they build here in The Villages annually?

JMintzer 08-12-2023 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2244408)
No! He said "magically", to me that implies solar because it seems to come out of nowhere.

Not a chance that solar will come anywhere near close to producing the needed extra electricity...

JMintzer 08-12-2023 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Keefelane66 (Post 2244499)
Where did the electricity come from to run the thousands of homes they build here in The Villages annually?

Burning trash... Just like before...

JMintzer 08-12-2023 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2244455)

Coral Bleaching: What it is, how it happens and what we're doing to help.

Send us money...

Stu from NYC 08-12-2023 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2244581)
Burning trash... Just like before...

So guess we need to burn more trash. Have a dresser we have wanted to get rid of so bye bye

JMintzer 08-12-2023 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2244601)
So guess we need to burn more trash. Have a dresser we have wanted to get rid of so bye bye

More people, more trash...

bcsnave 08-12-2023 03:30 PM

You from up "Nort"?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Villagesgal (Post 2242902)
Those Temps are for the Orlando area, not the Villages. Northern Villages Temps are lower than Southern Villages. You are using their Temps in Orlando. I've lived here 22 years, summers are a bit warmer as are springs. Winters a bit colder. Climate is changing, but then again it always does over the years. Don't be so fixated on the Temps that news station is reporting.

You's must be from up Nort dhar' eh?

Byte1 08-12-2023 03:41 PM

So, to summarize some of the posts on here claiming "cause and effect" of global warming, I have come to the conclusion that ever since we started the space program, our climate has gotten warmer. Therefore, if we stop the space program we will stop global warming. I also hypothesize that if we spend at least a trillion bucks to study this phenomenon then at the end of the funding, I believe the scientist will come to the conclusion that the world is not in fact be warming but actually cooling. Since that needs to be explored and studied, and need an action plan to prevent global cooling, the scientists will require at least two or three trillion bucks to fund said study. No problem, we will just increase taxes to pay for it.

fdpaq0580 08-12-2023 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 2244622)
So, to summarize some of the posts on here claiming "cause and effect" of global warming, I have come to the conclusion that ever since we started the space program, our climate has gotten warmer. Therefore, if we stop the space program we will stop global warming. I also hypothesize that if we spend at least a trillion bucks to study this phenomenon then at the end of the funding, I believe the scientist will come to the conclusion that the world is not in fact be warming but actually cooling. Since that needs to be explored and studied, and need an action plan to prevent global cooling, the scientists will require at least two or three trillion bucks to fund said study. No problem, we will just increase taxes to pay for it.

Oh, yeah? Nah! The whole weather hot/cold thing is actually a world wide conspiracy among the heating and air-conditioning companies to become addicted to artificially heated and cooled air where we cannot live without it. Even now, if you pay attention to your breathing, you can feel the air getting
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rustyp 08-12-2023 05:02 PM

Is it correct ? The forecast for the next three days absolute temp (not heat index) 98 97 98 ?

Taltarzac725 08-12-2023 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 2244653)
Is it correct ? The forecast for the next three days absolute temp (not heat index) 98 97 98 ?

Sounds about right but the Villages is so huge now temps can vary a bit.

dhdallas 08-12-2023 10:19 PM

Glaciers are growing? Also, the moon landings were faked, the military has alien bodies from crashed UFO's at Area 51, and 9/11 was an inside job!

Taltarzac725 08-12-2023 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by dhdallas (Post 2244705)
Glaciers are growing? Also, the moon landings were faked, the military has alien bodies from crashed UFO's at Area 51, and 9/11 was an inside job!

Looks like stuff you would see at the Walmart check-out racks. Stuff they make up to sell newspapers about what some celebrity did what to who and how and how large her or his whatever is.


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