Originally Posted by Pairadocs (Post 2152731)

Could be a variety of explanations, but, if you have been a careful observer of the dissemination of "statistics" on a wide variety of subjects and areas of interest, be it weather, the economy, immigration, Covid information, etc. etc. etc., you have surely noticed that the "flow" of accurate statistical information depends on if supports the political policy of the day, or runs counter to the desired "official" policy. Or to put it another way, it's more the George Orwell world of statistics control. In other words, maybe right now it would not be "good" for common folk in the masses, to know all the details of exactly what the situation is concerning glaciers of North America. As tax payers, we undoubtedly finance a great deal of statistical measuring and recording concerning celestial bodies also, but what part of the would be "good" for us to know, and what would be considered "unwise" to share with the masses, who knows ? That's why we have such a wide, deep, gulf in our political views in this country: the difference in the classic sense of the "progressive", in which the elite own a kind of debt to society in general (the masses) to guide them in the correct direction, to make decisions for their own good, in a kind of government/citizen relationship modeled after a benevolent parent/child relationship. The opposite philosophy would be to promote universal education, and create not just a "democracy", but a government format that promotes individual decision making and personal responsibility, could be called a democratic REPUBLIC to distinguish it from a "democracy" ? Long answer but, that may be why we the people, we the tax payers, have "parents" (government) who protect us by selectively choosing which information it would be best for us to have, and which would not.

Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2152454)

in 2019 glacier national park (gnp) quietly removed numerous posters claiming that all glaciers would be gone by 2020. They used our tax monies to create those fake signs (with great public attention) and then removed them -- quietly. And now something else has gone quiet. They would annually post a glacier report listing the status of each mapped glacier. They stopped producing those valuable reports 7 years ago. In essence, they are denying tax payers important glacier status information. For those who attend the weather club, you already know that surface and satellite temperature data have shown a slow cooling trend for the last 7 years -- the same years gnp has been silent. We should demand better value for tax monies.

Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2152454)

In 2019 Glacier National Park (GNP) quietly removed numerous posters claiming that all glaciers would be gone by 2020. They used our tax monies to create those fake signs (with great public attention) and then removed them -- quietly. And now something else has gone quiet. They would annually post a glacier report listing the status of each mapped glacier. They stopped producing those valuable reports 7 years ago. In essence, they are denying tax payers important glacier status information. For those who attend the Weather Club, you already know that surface and satellite temperature data have shown a slow cooling trend for the last 7 years -- the same years GNP has been silent. We should demand better value for tax monies.

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2152716)

Many years ago, Carl Sagan demonstrated the difference between climate and weather. A man walking slowly and steadily up a beach represented the climate, while his dog , represented weather, ran ahead of him then behind in a random pattern. Weather can be local and seem erratic and change rapidly over short periods of time. Climate is more stable and changes over longer time periods.
Some are using short term weather phenomena to debunk climate change. Cherry picking weather data to disprove climate change is misusing and misrepresenting the reality of what has been going on with climate change globally.

Originally Posted by Worldseries27 (Post 2152765)

call a meeting and your entire group can vote its outrage next tuesday

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2152716)

Many years ago, Carl Sagan demonstrated the difference between climate and weather. A man walking slowly and steadily up a beach represented the climate, while his dog , represented weather, ran ahead of him then behind in a random pattern. Weather can be local and seem erratic and change rapidly over short periods of time. Climate is more stable and changes over longer time periods.
Some are using short term weather phenomena to debunk climate change. Cherry picking weather data to disprove climate change is misusing and misrepresenting the reality of what has been going on with climate change globally.

Originally Posted by Love2Swim (Post 2152772)

Thank you. Some common sense on this thread for a change.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2152780)

This can't be serious. No way. This is the complete antithesis of "common sense"

The analogy describing the difference between weather and climate is fine. But then........

"Cherry picking weather data" ---All we've heard from the climate change advocates is "the last 15 years are the warmest on record", over, and over, and over again. Now they criticize the opposition for using short term weather to describe a trend????? Can anyone spell H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-S-Y?????? I believe it was Gozer the Gozerian in the original Ghostbusters that condemned the team by their own words--no sorry, thoughts. (It was Rameses in "The Ten Commandments" that condemned his own people by his words)

The reality: The last 7, or 15, or 150 years tells us ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about 100,000-year cycles occurring within the last 4 million years of our current ice age.

Originally Posted by YeOldeCurmudgeon (Post 2152795)

Here he goes again. :rolleyes:

A fool will never admit his foolishness. What does it matter. He will die before things get serious enough for him to worry about it. It's his grandchildren's problem. The thing is the 150 years mark the time when the Industrial Revolution began and that's the problem.

Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2152454)

In 2019 Glacier National Park (GNP) quietly removed numerous posters claiming that all glaciers would be gone by 2020. They used our tax monies to create those fake signs (with great public attention) and then removed them -- quietly. And now something else has gone quiet. They would annually post a glacier report listing the status of each mapped glacier. They stopped producing those valuable reports 7 years ago. In essence, they are denying tax payers important glacier status information. For those who attend the Weather Club, you already know that surface and satellite temperature data have shown a slow cooling trend for the last 7 years -- the same years GNP has been silent. We should demand better value for tax monies.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2152802)

First of all, keep your personal insults to yourself, the moderators tend to frown on that.

So, once again, I'll try to educate the indoctrinated:

The premise seems to be "the last 150 years is the problem" because there is a slight warming trend.

What about the 150 year period from 34,850 t0 34,700 BC? From 345,250 to 345,100 BC? From 2,657,550 to 2,657,400 BC???????

Oh, no data???? Yet no problem drawing a "conclusion" about the last 150 years????:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

And they draw that conclusion since that is when man started burning fossil fuels.
Post hoc ergo propter hoc---which translates as "after this, therefore because of this". It is the battle cry of those who embrace faulty cause and effect "reasoning"

But I certainly agree with one thing----"a fool will never admit his foolishness":1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2152827)

??? You complain about insult, then immediately insult everyone who accepts mainstream science and the finest minds and latest findings by calling us "the indoctrinated". Now that is an insult.
Climatologists have the data you claim doesn't exist. It is written in the earth itself. In the rocks, the fossils.
And, "cause and effect" is not always faulty. You use it every time you play golf. We all do.
So, believe what you wish, and be content with the probability that the ocean will not drown us in our beds. And, let those of us who accept the finding of those scientists actually working in the field of climatology believe what we do.