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tuccillo 07-03-2018 03:30 PM
Humidity (relative) is a fairly useless quantity. Dewpoint is a much more useful quantity. It is a measure of the actual amount of moisture in the air. If the dewpoint is in the mid to upper 70s it is pretty miserable. Dewpoints in the mid 50's is pretty nice. You can have high relative humidities with low dewpoints and it feels pretty nice. Once the temperature climbs into the mid 90's you will hardly ever see relative humidities over 50% but I can assure you that 95 with a relative humidity of 50% is pretty nasty weather.

A little tidbit of information for golfers. Golf balls fly further (marginally) when the air is muggier than when it is dry, assuming the same temperature.

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Originally Posted by Abby10 (Post 1558825)
A few years back, my husband and I purposefully spent the full month of August in TV. We wanted to see what it was like and to determine for ourselves whether it would be tolerable or not. Maybe we hit a good year, I don't know, but we found it tolerable and many days even comfortable. If we were outside during the middle of the day, we either stayed in shaded areas or under patios/lanais with fans. The evenings cooled down some and there always seemed to be a breeze. It felt to me as if between the sandy soil and very hot sun, it actually burned off the humidity somewhat. Does that make sense? Not so here in the mid-Atlantic at all. When it's hot it is stifling and although the temp may go down in the evening it still feels like a steam bath when you walk outside. And it can last for days, sometimes weeks at a time. The humidity and resultant heat index is so high it truly is intolerable. I attribute it here to the very damp soil (a lot of clay) and the overwhelming number of deciduous trees, not to mention the congestion and other things already mentioned by others on this thread. Unless we have a very dry summer up here, it always feels somewhat damp. Mix that with heat and that's what I call uncomfortable.

And let's not even discuss utility bills. The size of my house up north is not triple the size of my house in Florida but the utility bills sure are! Not happy about that at all!

fw102807 07-03-2018 03:37 PM
It is hot, you either like it or you don't. I love it here but have friends who would be miserable because for some very strange reason I will never understand they like the cold.

EPutnam1863 07-03-2018 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by tuccillo (Post 1558885)
Humidity (relative) is a fairly useless quantity. Dewpoint is a much more useful quantity. It is a measure of the actual amount of moisture in the air. If the dewpoint is in the mid to upper 70s it is pretty miserable. Dewpoints in the mid 50's is pretty nice. You can have high relative humidities with low dewpoints and it feels pretty nice. Once the temperature climbs into the mid 90's you will hardly ever see relative humidities over 50% but I can assure you that 95 with a relative humidity of 50% is pretty nasty weather.

A little tidbit of information for golfers. Golf balls fly further (marginally) when the air is muggier than when it is dry, assuming the same temperature.
Who cares about index, etc. etc.? When it is hot, it is hot. When it is humid, it is humid. When it is hot and humid, it is hot and humid, and analyzing it all won't help make it cooler.

EPutnam1863 07-03-2018 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by fw102807 (Post 1558788)
Another brilliant reason :clap2:
If The Villages were in North Dakota, would you have moved there?

JSR22 07-03-2018 04:01 PM
ND
 
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Originally Posted by EPutnam1863 (Post 1558894)
If The Villages were in North Dakota, would you have moved there?
Not a chance that I would have moved to ND. I love FL it is sunny year round. When it is hot I go into my pool and read.

tuccillo 07-03-2018 04:03 PM
Excuse me for trying to bring some additional insight into the discussion and pointing out what metric people should look at. Is there no limit to what people will complain about?

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Originally Posted by EPutnam1863 (Post 1558893)
Who cares about index, etc. etc.? When it is hot, it is hot. When it is humid, it is humid. When it is hot and humid, it is hot and humid, and analyzing it all won't help make it cooler.

fw102807 07-03-2018 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by EPutnam1863 (Post 1558894)
If The Villages were in North Dakota, would you have moved there?
No that was just a bonus

EPutnam1863 07-03-2018 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Abby10 (Post 1558817)
Just looking over the responses to this thread, it doesn't look like many villagers mind the heat. In fact, I would say their comments reflect mostly a happiness to be in TV no matter the time of year. Not sure what you see as dishonest?

If the heat bothers you so much, maybe some reverse psychology would work here. While they laugh at you in January, you can just laugh at them in July......that way everybody's happy!
It is not just the heat but the deceit of those who claim it is not hot during the summers. I lived in FL 3 times so I know they are lying. I feel sorry for those who allow themselves to be duped into thinking Florida (not just the Villages) is a paradise where everyone is happy fishing, golfing, running, being outdoors all day every single day of the year.

However, I do notice that some of you here on this thread and a few other threads are honest by admitting it is hot. I appreciate this because it then means that I can trust those people.

kittygilchrist 07-03-2018 04:18 PM
My Grandmother, a wise and Godly woman, would have gently said, “You’ns oughten to talk so ugly.”

eweissenbach 07-03-2018 04:43 PM
I have lived in Fargo, ND (loved it), St Paul (loved it) Kansas City (loved it), Springfield, Mo. (Loved it), Topeka, Ks (loved it) and a few other places I loved. I have a villa in TV ( love it). Methinks that being happy is an attitude rather than a location.

fw102807 07-03-2018 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by eweissenbach (Post 1558924)
I have lived in Fargo, ND (loved it), St Paul (loved it) Kansas City (loved it), Springfield, Mo. (Loved it), Topeka, Ks (loved it) and a few other places I loved. I have a villa in TV ( love it). Methinks that being happy is an attitude rather than a location.
Nope, I was absolutely miserable all winter up north and now I am happy as a clam all year round.

Abby10 07-03-2018 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by tuccillo (Post 1558885)
Humidity (relative) is a fairly useless quantity. Dewpoint is a much more useful quantity. It is a measure of the actual amount of moisture in the air. If the dewpoint is in the mid to upper 70s it is pretty miserable. Dewpoints in the mid 50's is pretty nice. You can have high relative humidities with low dewpoints and it feels pretty nice. Once the temperature climbs into the mid 90's you will hardly ever see relative humidities over 50% but I can assure you that 95 with a relative humidity of 50% is pretty nasty weather.

A little tidbit of information for golfers. Golf balls fly further (marginally) when the air is muggier than when it is dry, assuming the same temperature.
Thanks, tucillo, I know you know of what you speak. In saying that I appreciate the explanation. Now I understand why on the Philly news today they were talking so much about the dew point. It was 75 here today and they were stressing that is why it felt so terrible outside. The temps were in the mid 90's with a heat index of 104. At least it's making me feel better about visiting TV in July! We had such an unusually beautiful spring here temperature-wise that I was feeling hesitant to leave, but I think this was just the push I needed. :smiley:

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Schaumburger 07-04-2018 04:55 AM
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Originally Posted by tuccillo (Post 1558885)
Humidity (relative) is a fairly useless quantity. Dewpoint is a much more useful quantity. It is a measure of the actual amount of moisture in the air. If the dewpoint is in the mid to upper 70s it is pretty miserable. Dewpoints in the mid 50's is pretty nice. You can have high relative humidities with low dewpoints and it feels pretty nice. Once the temperature climbs into the mid 90's you will hardly ever see relative humidities over 50% but I can assure you that 95 with a relative humidity of 50% is pretty nasty weather.

A little tidbit of information for golfers. Golf balls fly further (marginally) when the air is muggier than when it is dry, assuming the same temperature.
Thank you for the information on dewpoint. Chicago has had a pretty hot and humid summer so far, and the weather forecasters on the Chicago television stations usually focus on the dewpoint to illustrate how muggy or comfortable the weather will be in the summer.

Schaumburger 07-04-2018 05:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Wiotte (Post 1559028)
:cryin2: If I never saw another snow plow, snow shovel, snow brush, ice scraper or bag of ice melter, it would be 100% fine with me.

Abby10 07-04-2018 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Wiotte (Post 1559028)
What are you trying to do? Make me have NOTHING but nightmares in July?

fw102807 07-04-2018 07:11 AM
Not to worry yet

Red-hot planet: All-time heat records have been set all over the world during the past week

Barefoot 07-04-2018 09:22 PM
Very interesting article, thanks!

rustyp 09-21-2018 06:36 AM
I see on the national weather it is still over 100 degree heat index. Is this normal for end of Sept? I'm thinking of delaying our return this year by a month. Into sweater weather here in the Adirondacks now.

billethkid 09-21-2018 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by fw102807 (Post 1558928)
Nope, I was absolutely miserable all winter up north and now I am happy as a clam all year round.
Pretty much says it all in one sentence!!!

I try not to go anyplace in the winter that does not have palm trees!!

tuccillo 09-21-2018 08:06 AM
Here is the climate data for The Villages. It cools down substantially in October as well as raining less. I am sorry about the formatting - can't seem to clean it up.


Month "Avg Low" "Avg High" "Record Low" "Record High" "Precip"

January 45° 68° 16° (1985) 86° (1991) 3.32"
February 47° 71° 23° (1967) 89° (1991) 2.87"
March 52° 76° 25° (1980) 91° (1991) 4.03"
April 57° 81° 32° (1962) 95° (1991) 2.8"
May 64° 86° 46° (1992) 99° (1962) 4.13"
June 69° 90° 53° (1984) 100° (1985) 6.13"
July 71° 91° 47° (2005) 100° (1991) 5.67"
August 71° 91° 61° (1978) 101° (1991) 6.2"
September 69° 89° 52° (1981) 100° (1990) 5.76"
October 62° 83° 39° (1989) 97° (1990) 2.54"
November 54° 76° 24° (1970) 89° (1985) 2.53"
December 47° 69° 16° (1962) 88° (2000) 2.65"


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Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 1583250)
I see on the national weather it is still over 100 degree heat index. Is this normal for end of Sept? I'm thinking of delaying our return this year by a month. Into sweater weather here in the Adirondacks now.

eweissenbach 09-21-2018 09:30 AM
Here in KC we have had 100 + heat index regularly since early May. Yesterday was 100+, but starting today we are supposed to have highs in the high 70s and low 80s for the next 10 days. Happy to see fall temps come. We spent August in TV and were not surprised or turned off by the heat and humidity (no worse than Mo.) but were rather amazed by the daily afternoon showers. I love fall in Missouri, but would likely also love fall in Florida since I loved fall in North Dakota, Minnesota, Kansas, and Iowa. Apparently I love fall, much like the other three seasons!

BK001 09-21-2018 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by eweissenbach (Post 1558924)
I have lived in Fargo, ND (loved it), St Paul (loved it) Kansas City (loved it), Springfield, Mo. (Loved it), Topeka, Ks (loved it) and a few other places I loved. I have a villa in TV ( love it). Methinks that being happy is an attitude rather than a location.
Here, here! I couldn't agree more.

manaboutown 09-21-2018 11:00 AM
For the next week or so where I am now we will have overnight lows in the mid 60s and highs in the low to mid 70s. No complaints.

2BNTV 09-21-2018 05:08 PM
Florida has surpassed NY as the third most populace state because of the heat, errrrrrr................snow. :D

I will admit it gets hot during the summer months in FL but it's a lot better than dealing with the snow. Just remember, it's only temporary for NY'ers.

I remember a couple of times when temps in NY reached 100 with 100% humidity. It was unbearable before A/C's came into existence.Thank goodness for A/C.

I no longer say four letter words, like snow and work! :smiley:

tuccillo 09-21-2018 05:43 PM
Just for the record, 100F with 100% humidity (relative) doesn't actually ever happen. Typically the relative humidity will be about 50% (maximum) on a very humid day with 100F temperature. I understand that you are trying to say it was hot and humid. This is why relative humidity is not a very useful metric. Dewpoint is a better metric is look at for a sense of mugginess.

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Originally Posted by 2BNTV (Post 1583500)

I remember a couple of times when temps in NY reached 100 with 100% humidity. It was unbearable before A/C's came into existence.Thank goodness for A/C.

Abby10 09-21-2018 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by 2BNTV (Post 1583500)
Florida has surpassed NY as the third most populace state because of the heat, errrrrrr................snow. :D

I will admit it gets hot during the summer months in FL but it's a lot better than dealing with the snow. Just remember, it's only temporary for NY'ers.

I remember a couple of times when temps in NY reached 100 with 100% humidity. It was unbearable before A/C's came into existence.Thank goodness for A/C.

I no longer say four letter words, like snow and work! :smiley:
You are right about the unbearable humidity up here in the mid-atlantic. A co-worker of mine has never had central air but has decided this year to have it installed. Like he said, he can stand the heat, it's the humidity up here that has gotten to him.

I spent 2 weeks this past July in TV and a few years back the whole month of August. I thought the weather was quite comfortable compared to the oppressive humidity up this way that can go on for weeks on end. It is in the low 70's up here today. My A/C has been set on 78 all day and it keeps going on and off. I would love to open my windows since it's technically cooler outside but I know letting in all that humidity will make me say "UGH" later.

2BNTV 09-22-2018 10:40 AM
I have to admit that I use one four letter word, "COLD". :cold:

rustyp 09-26-2018 06:38 AM
Today:
A 40 percent chance of showers and thunderstorms after noon. Mostly sunny, with a high near 94. Heat index values as high as 103. Calm wind becoming southeast around 5 mph in the afternoon.

Does this ever end ? In the Adirondacks we would put the lifeguards chair on the frozen lake and have a pool (like the superbowl) at the local establishment for who came closest to the day the chair sunk in the lake. That was our first day of spring.

rustyp 09-27-2018 06:41 AM
Today:
A 20 percent chance of showers and thunderstorms after noon. Mostly sunny, with a high near 94. Heat index values as high as 102. South southeast wind around 5 mph.

Ground Hog Day

SFSkol 09-27-2018 06:44 AM
Guess it's not looking too good for NATIONAL SCARF DAY.

NEW DAY PROCLAMATION | NATIONAL SCARF DAY | September 27 - National Day Calendar


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