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Originally Posted by Surf Daddy

I believe that I do understand science, and scientific methods. I have an education and experience to corroborate that. I believe in climate change, but not for the reasons projected by politicians.

I am tired of people categorizing me as being a science denier.

The climate change predictions are based on models. The models can easily be flawed for a variety of reasons. The outcomes can easily be manipulated by the algorithm as well as attributes used in the model. So here are two real world climate related examples. Consider the so called spaghetti charts used to predict paths of hurricanes, that the meteorologist point to, just days or even hours before expected landfall. There are 22 possible paths, with some wildly different. No model gets it right. Next, consider the weather predictions for precipitation. Last summer in Michigan, we had a day with a rain forecast of 0% chance for the next 12 hour period. You guessed it. There was a huge downpour.

I am not disparaging meteorologists. I am just saying that weather prediction is difficult in the very near term. Long term has to be orders of magnitude more difficult.

I learned a long time ago that data can be truncated, extrapolated or interpolated to prove any point you want to prove. This allows corrupt people to get the result that they want.

“Building consensus is a politico-religious concept, not a scientific one. Consensus involves creating broad agreement amongst a group of people, but science should never lean on agreement to provide a false sense of comfort. When forming their worldviews, scientists must emphasize the evidence, not the opinions of their fellow scientists.”

Agree -- consensus is not science ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1-FxwVkQ60

[ReneeBelter]

You underestimate the numbers of intelligent, educated Villagers!

[Ksfirefighter]

Originally Posted by coralway

You’re in the wrong group pal. This is The Villages, where an overwhelming majority do not believe in science, let alone climate change.

The Villager’s believe in Biology!

[Blackbird45]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Many waterways are much cleaner than before. Hudson river fish were destroyed by GE dumping years ago. Now you can fish there.

Do believe in many areas of the world the air is cleaner. However some countries like China could care less about clean air. We can do tremendous things here while they pollute the world

I'm a native New Yorker and on 2 occasions while on the job we had dead bodies float up in the Hudson River.

I lived a 10-minute drive from the East River and if I showed up to Palmer's restaurant and told me the catch of the day was East River scrod I would not order it and I bet you wouldn't either.

[Carlsondm]

Originally Posted by coralway

You’re in the wrong group pal. This is The Villages, where an overwhelming majority do not believe in science, let alone climate change.

Thanks for telling us what we think. I for one am open to new discussion groups and appreciate news of outside groups.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by sounding

Agree -- consensus is not science ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1-FxwVkQ60

True, but it would make sense if the evidence has merit, those who study said evidence would tend to agree. Consensus.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Carlsondm

Thanks for telling us what we think. I for one am open to new discussion groups and appreciate news of outside groups.

Good. Welcome.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by coralway

You’re in the wrong group pal. This is The Villages, where an overwhelming majority do not believe in science, let alone climate change.

Science is NOT absolute, and changes as much as the weather. I believe in science as an evolving study that changes as evidence presents itself. I believe in man caused pollution, but I have seen no real evidence of man caused climate change. Since the climate has changed before man ever existed, the best I can factor in is that man might/MIGHT have contributed minutely to the cause but would only be able to eliminate human cause by eliminating humans totally. I also believe that nature has a way of surviving in spite of changes to the environment. Perhaps one should read an Ecology book or two in order to understand how the food chain works. Preferably, a book that does not have political motivations. Science is on-going and never settles for a final conclusion.

[rsmurano]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Here we go again

Is there a tooth fairy club??? After all, it would need to exist to gather all the believers in the tooth fairy, including presentations by tooth fairy "experts" and to call everyone else a "tooth fairy de-nye-ah"

There isn’t a tooth fairy? Next you’re going to tell me there isn’t a Santa Claus!
The climate change hoax has been going on since the tooth fairy saga started.
For many decades, I can remember we went thru;
Global cooling
Hole in the ozone layer
Global warming
20 years ago, they were predicting all the ice caps will be gone in 10 years.

6 years ago, we had many people that know nothing about climate change predicting the we have only 10 years before global disaster if we don’t adopt the green new deal. So in 4 years we are gone. Who believes this stuff? There were 130,000 ice caps when Gore started this hoax decades ago and there are still 130,000 today

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by rsmurano

There isn’t a tooth fairy? Next you’re going to tell me there isn’t a Santa Claus!
The climate change hoax has been going on since the tooth fairy saga started.
For many decades, I can remember we went thru;
Global cooling
Hole in the ozone layer
Global warming
20 years ago, they were predicting all the ice caps will be gone in 10 years.

6 years ago, we had many people that know nothing about climate change predicting the we have only 10 years before global disaster if we don’t adopt the green new deal. So in 4 years we are gone. Who believes this stuff? There were 130,000 ice caps when Gore started this hoax decades ago and there are still 130,000 today

Answer:
The indoctrinated
The gullible
Those invested in it
Those who are either writing their doctoral dissertation or applying for a federal grant in climatology and know darn well that even the slightest hint of "DE-NYE-YING" the political narrative of manmade climate change will earn them a big fat goose egg. (This, btw, is why "90+%" of climate scientists concur that humans are causing climate change---they have no choice if they want to survive)

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Here we go again

Is there a tooth fairy club??? After all, it would need to exist to gather all the believers in the tooth fairy, including presentations by tooth fairy "experts" and to call everyone else a "tooth fairy de-nye-ah"

The "tooth fairy" is NOT melting glaciers all over the world. Even in California and the Rocky Mountains where rivers and dams are drying out and farmers are losing their life's work. Globally, glaciers will lose 40% of their ice by 2050. Glacier National Park will have about ZERO glaciers as soon as 2230. The tooth fairy is not expected to make large areas of Africa and Asia UNINHABITABLE in 80 years. It will be caused by EXTREME HEAT according to a report put together by the UN and the Red Cross.

The last 8 years have seen record heat worldwide. The Gulf of Mexico is currently at a record heat of around 90 degrees. Increasing heat is expected for the next 30 years, at least, and hurricanes will continue to be bigger and stronger with more rain and flooding like hurricane Ian. Florida is talking about rebuilding the damaged coastal areas, but that is a big mistake. Florida should stop all new building or rebuilding within one mile of the water line. This is something Oregon did years ago. I assume and fear that Florida will not be so logical and that KILLER HURRICANES like Ian will continue into the future, like next year!

[Shimpy]

With inflation the way it is it would need to be a $5.00 bill.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

The "tooth fairy" is NOT melting glaciers all over the world. Even in California and the Rocky Mountains where rivers and dams are drying out and farmers are losing their life's work. Globally, glaciers will lose 40% of their ice by 2050. Glacier National Park will have about ZERO glaciers as soon as 2030. The tooth fairy is not expected to make large areas of Africa and Asia UNINHABITABLE in 80 years. It will be caused by EXTREME HEAT according to a report put together by the UN and the Red Cross.

The last 8 years have seen record heat worldwide. The Gulf of Mexico is currently at a record heat of around 90 degrees. Increasing heat is expected for the next 30 years, at least, and hurricanes will continue to be bigger and stronger with more rain and flooding like hurricane Ian. Florida is talking about rebuilding the damaged coastal areas, but that is a big mistake. Florida should stop all new building or rebuilding within one mile of the water line. This is something Oregon did years ago. I assume and fear that Florida will not be so logical and that KILLER HURRICANES like Ian will continue into the future, like next year!

You mean like the polar ice caps would all be gone by 2010?????

Posting the same misinformation 100 times does not make it valid.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Blackbird45

Oh, I'm sorry until everyone gets into the boat with us, we should drown in our own sewage. Look we cannot dictate what other countries should do, but if the quality of life improves in our country because we can clean up our pollution you can bet people in those countries will demand their leaders do the same.

We have taken HUGE strides in cleaning up out own back yard...

You don't remember the LA Smog, the Cuyahoga River catching fire? Love Canal? All cleaned up.

Cars now are 98% emissions free, compared to 1975...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

The "tooth fairy" is NOT melting glaciers all over the world. Even in California and the Rocky Mountains where rivers and dams are drying out and farmers are losing their life's work. Globally, glaciers will lose 40% of their ice by 2050. Glacier National Park will have about ZERO glaciers as soon as 2030. The tooth fairy is not expected to make large areas of Africa and Asia UNINHABITABLE in 80 years. It will be caused by EXTREME HEAT according to a report put together by the UN and the Red Cross.

The last 8 years have seen record heat worldwide. The Gulf of Mexico is currently at a record heat of around 90 degrees. Increasing heat is expected for the next 30 years, at least, and hurricanes will continue to be bigger and stronger with more rain and flooding like hurricane Ian. Florida is talking about rebuilding the damaged coastal areas, but that is a big mistake. Florida should stop all new building or rebuilding within one mile of the water line. This is something Oregon did years ago. I assume and fear that Florida will not be so logical and that KILLER HURRICANES like Ian will continue into the future, like next year!

So, they glaciers that receded, leaving"The Bread Basket", which feeds the world, was a bad thing?

Killer Hurricanes? There are plenty of severe hurricanes every year. They just wander around the Atlantic and don't make landfall...

Sadly, we had a large one that did...