Originally Posted by Surf Daddy (Post 2148077)

I believe that I do understand science, and scientific methods. I have an education and experience to corroborate that. I believe in climate change, but not for the reasons projected by politicians.

I am tired of people categorizing me as being a science denier.

The climate change predictions are based on models. The models can easily be flawed for a variety of reasons. The outcomes can easily be manipulated by the algorithm as well as attributes used in the model. So here are two real world climate related examples. Consider the so called spaghetti charts used to predict paths of hurricanes, that the meteorologist point to, just days or even hours before expected landfall. There are 22 possible paths, with some wildly different. No model gets it right. Next, consider the weather predictions for precipitation. Last summer in Michigan, we had a day with a rain forecast of 0% chance for the next 12 hour period. You guessed it. There was a huge downpour.

I am not disparaging meteorologists. I am just saying that weather prediction is difficult in the very near term. Long term has to be orders of magnitude more difficult.

I learned a long time ago that data can be truncated, extrapolated or interpolated to prove any point you want to prove. This allows corrupt people to get the result that they want.

“Building consensus is a politico-religious concept, not a scientific one. Consensus involves creating broad agreement amongst a group of people, but science should never lean on agreement to provide a false sense of comfort. When forming their worldviews, scientists must emphasize the evidence, not the opinions of their fellow scientists.”

Originally Posted by coralway (Post 2147698)

You’re in the wrong group pal. This is The Villages, where an overwhelming majority do not believe in science, let alone climate change.

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2148107)

Many waterways are much cleaner than before. Hudson river fish were destroyed by GE dumping years ago. Now you can fish there.

Do believe in many areas of the world the air is cleaner. However some countries like China could care less about clean air. We can do tremendous things here while they pollute the world

Originally Posted by coralway (Post 2147698)

You’re in the wrong group pal. This is The Villages, where an overwhelming majority do not believe in science, let alone climate change.

Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2148150)

Agree -- consensus is not science ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1-FxwVkQ60

Originally Posted by Carlsondm (Post 2148170)

Thanks for telling us what we think. I for one am open to new discussion groups and appreciate news of outside groups.

Originally Posted by coralway (Post 2147698)

You’re in the wrong group pal. This is The Villages, where an overwhelming majority do not believe in science, let alone climate change.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2147713)

Here we go again:rant-rave::rant-rave::rant-rave:

Is there a tooth fairy club??? After all, it would need to exist to gather all the believers in the tooth fairy, including presentations by tooth fairy "experts" and to call everyone else a "tooth fairy de-nye-ah"

Originally Posted by rsmurano (Post 2148218)

There isn’t a tooth fairy? Next you’re going to tell me there isn’t a Santa Claus!
The climate change hoax has been going on since the tooth fairy saga started.
For many decades, I can remember we went thru;
Global cooling
Hole in the ozone layer
Global warming
20 years ago, they were predicting all the ice caps will be gone in 10 years.

6 years ago, we had many people that know nothing about climate change predicting the we have only 10 years before global disaster if we don’t adopt the green new deal. So in 4 years we are gone. Who believes this stuff? There were 130,000 ice caps when Gore started this hoax decades ago and there are still 130,000 today

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2147713)

Here we go again:rant-rave::rant-rave::rant-rave:

Is there a tooth fairy club??? After all, it would need to exist to gather all the believers in the tooth fairy, including presentations by tooth fairy "experts" and to call everyone else a "tooth fairy de-nye-ah"

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2148267)

The "tooth fairy" is NOT melting glaciers all over the world. Even in California and the Rocky Mountains where rivers and dams are drying out and farmers are losing their life's work. Globally, glaciers will lose 40% of their ice by 2050. Glacier National Park will have about ZERO glaciers as soon as 2030. The tooth fairy is not expected to make large areas of Africa and Asia UNINHABITABLE in 80 years. It will be caused by EXTREME HEAT according to a report put together by the UN and the Red Cross.

The last 8 years have seen record heat worldwide. The Gulf of Mexico is currently at a record heat of around 90 degrees. Increasing heat is expected for the next 30 years, at least, and hurricanes will continue to be bigger and stronger with more rain and flooding like hurricane Ian. Florida is talking about rebuilding the damaged coastal areas, but that is a big mistake. Florida should stop all new building or rebuilding within one mile of the water line. This is something Oregon did years ago. I assume and fear that Florida will not be so logical and that KILLER HURRICANES like Ian will continue into the future, like next year!

Originally Posted by Blackbird45 (Post 2148142)

Oh, I'm sorry until everyone gets into the boat with us, we should drown in our own sewage. Look we cannot dictate what other countries should do, but if the quality of life improves in our country because we can clean up our pollution you can bet people in those countries will demand their leaders do the same.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2148267)

The "tooth fairy" is NOT melting glaciers all over the world. Even in California and the Rocky Mountains where rivers and dams are drying out and farmers are losing their life's work. Globally, glaciers will lose 40% of their ice by 2050. Glacier National Park will have about ZERO glaciers as soon as 2030. The tooth fairy is not expected to make large areas of Africa and Asia UNINHABITABLE in 80 years. It will be caused by EXTREME HEAT according to a report put together by the UN and the Red Cross.

The last 8 years have seen record heat worldwide. The Gulf of Mexico is currently at a record heat of around 90 degrees. Increasing heat is expected for the next 30 years, at least, and hurricanes will continue to be bigger and stronger with more rain and flooding like hurricane Ian. Florida is talking about rebuilding the damaged coastal areas, but that is a big mistake. Florida should stop all new building or rebuilding within one mile of the water line. This is something Oregon did years ago. I assume and fear that Florida will not be so logical and that KILLER HURRICANES like Ian will continue into the future, like next year!