Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2158124)

What's to debate? There's no debate -- but there are consequences -- depending on which groups you hang out with. Just Google "landfalling hurricanes" (with quotes) and you get 30,000 hits. Landfalling hurricanes are one of many trigger-points for children who throw paint on artwork and stand in the middle of roads to stop traffic and stand on blocks of ice on makeshift gallows to protest a non-problem -- called global warming. So now, officially, there is one more landfall hurricane -- but it is another in a long list of junk-science statistics -- Nicole did not hit Florida as a hurricane. In fact, there are many who don't even think Nicole ever attained hurricane strength to begin with -- because there is no validated supporting evidence -- unless you can find some. People and offices and media can say anything -- but when you ask them to provide supporting data, they change the subject, or call you a denier. And this is why the Weather Club keeps growing in size because they want to see the "data," so can see for themselves what is going on. You don't need to be a scientist to read temperature and wind data.

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2158145)

If you start from 2018 and include 2022 data there is a slight warming trend.

If you start at any year from 2010 to 2014 there is a significant warming trend. (I got tired of checking after that)

Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2158140)

Here is a graph of global surface (NOAA) temperature and satellite (UAH) temperature -- as compared to CO2. When you draw a linear trend line, the surface and satellite temperature shows slight cooling. Year 2022 continues the linear trend downward.

Originally Posted by tvbound (Post 2158243)

Anyone with a modicum of skills can make a graph, what is the origin/source of this one? Since the difference between a hurricane and a tropical storm boils down to a negligible 1mph, of which the unfortunate people who had their property destroyed don't really care, what is the real reason for this thread?

Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2157956)

Nothingcane Nicole is only the beginning of the meeting, because it is current events. All weather club meetings start with current events -- which is what many are interested in. After Nicole is a discussion of EPA's failure to use government weather data when creating their Endangerment Finding -- which is the legal basis of the Green New Deal. It's a minor issue, but important to some.

Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2158234)

The current slight longer-term warming trend is because we are still thawing out from the Little Ice Age. But why is there a slight 7-year cooling trend (going on 8) now?

Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2158247)

It's not the who -- it's the data.

The UAH satellite data is here ... https://www.nsstc.uah.edu/data/msu/v...cdc_lt_6.0.txt

The NOAA surface data is here ... Global Time Series | Climate at a Glance | National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI)

Originally Posted by Love2Swim (Post 2158256)

That sounds political to me. More conspiracy theories. Thanks, but no thanks. If I want to listen to conspiracy theories I'll watch Fox News.

Originally Posted by Keefelane66 (Post 2158264)

I’ll take the NASA for $500 john

Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2158267)

... The Weather Club examines claims using government generated data. If you don't like the data, complain to the government -- not the Weather Club.

Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2158270)

NASA alters data like NOAA does. They say it's for a good cause -- but you decide ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_Rc301T-hY

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2158274)

So the Weather Club examines claims using government generated data then disputes the data when it doesn't lead to the desired conclusion.

Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2158278)

Again, twisting my words does not work. I did not dispute what NOAA and NASA do, I only inform people what is happening. At the Weather Club we actually use the "altered" data during the data comparisons -- we don't dismiss it. Note that only the "surface" temperature data is altered -- but not the satellite data -- at least not yet. But as for all the other forms of data, sea ice, winds, glaciers, volcanoes, and solar and oceanic cycles -- there is no altering as far as I know. Bottom line -- all available government data is used -- altered or not. It's really quite amazing to see what the media will not show you.

Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2158278)

Again, twisting my words does not work. I did not dispute what NOAA and NASA do, I only inform people what is happening. At the Weather Club we actually use the "altered" data during the data comparisons -- we don't dismiss it. Note that only the "surface" temperature data is altered -- but not the satellite data -- at least not yet. But as for all the other forms of data, sea ice, winds, glaciers, volcanoes, and solar and oceanic cycles -- there is no altering as far as I know. Bottom line -- all available government data is used -- altered or not. It's really quite amazing to see what the media will not show you.

Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2157775)

This will be the opening discussion at Thursday's (Nov 17) Weather Club meeting at 1:30 PM at Laurel Manor. There is no data showing hurricane force winds came with Nicole -- only tropical storm force winds. This is why The Weather Channel stopped reporting winds as Nicole hit the coast.