Originally Posted by DrMack (Post 2363229)

I believe human beings will endure, they will just have adapt and many living near the ocean will need to relocate to more climate resilient terrain. Meanwhile the con artists will be looking for opportunities to capitalize on short sightedness selling their snake oils for the quick buck. Human nature also seems to press on.

Originally Posted by DrMack (Post 2363214)

NASA tells me all I need to know. The Milankovitch cycle can’t be refuted. Science lays it out pretty clearly. We have an elliptical orbit with our sun. There are periods where we are closer and times when we are much farther from the star. For myself, I kind of wonder how some go so far off the beaten path to tout their suspicions that are sometimes way off base.

Wait about 30,000 more years if you are into a cooler climate. The complete cycle is 100,000 years but our path will be a little farther from the sun then. For now, look to even warmer temperatures in our climate as the Earth still needs to orbit closer.

Originally Posted by DrMack (Post 2363214)

NASA tells me all I need to know. The Milankovitch cycle can’t be refuted. Science lays it out pretty clearly. We have an elliptical orbit with our sun. There are periods where we are closer and times when we are much farther from the star. For myself, I kind of wonder how some go so far off the beaten path to tout their suspicions that are sometimes way off base.

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Originally Posted by rsimpson (Post 2363198)

Man's impact vs our Sun: - which factor do you think impacts Earth's climate more?

Sun’s energy output per second[ ≈ 3.8 x 10²⁶ joules.
Total energy consumption by humanity (all time) ≈ 10²³ to 10²⁴ joules.
The Sun produces more energy in a little more than one second than humans have ever generated or consumed in all of history.

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2363238)

That's a refreshing viewpoint. From NASA's site on climate change:

There is unequivocal evidence that Earth is warming at an unprecedented rate. Human activity is the principal cause.

I have a sizeable piece of aluminum on my lanai. On bright, sunny days it is hot to the touch while on cloudy days it is just warm and at night, without the sun, it is cool to the touch. Clearly, all that energy from the sun is having an effect. However, add a little fossil fuel and the piece of aluminum will get hot enough to take the skin off my hand. No matter how large the contribution from the sun, a little man-made input can make a difference.

I have not seen one comment ever that denied paleoclimatology or Milankovitch cycles. I have not seen one comment ever that claimed that the only influence on climate was man made. Y'all want to argue that size matters and yours is bigger than mine but no climate scientist claims otherwise.

Originally Posted by BTburton (Post 2363247)

“Whether” you believe in climate change, which oh, BTW, we experience every day and have been since the beginning of time, OR global warming or anything else the elite, gaslighting, globalists call it, there is absolutely nothing any of us can do about it. There’s only one God, and He knows.

Originally Posted by rsimpson (Post 2363198)

Man's impact vs our Sun: - which factor do you think impacts Earth's climate more?

Sun’s energy output per second[ ≈ 3.8 x 10²⁶ joules.
Total energy consumption by humanity (all time) ≈ 10²³ to 10²⁴ joules.
The Sun produces more energy in a little more than one second than humans have ever generated or consumed in all of history.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2363252)

Yes, but the climate change enthusiasts believe his name is "Gore":1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2363197)

Lots of narratives -- but no data. So, how much did "man-made" CO2 actually warm the earth last year?

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2363210)

Weather vs. pollution caused global warming.

Originally Posted by Sandabern (Post 2363261)

Hush now… Don’t expect to get an answer to a specific question… That would ruin the argument… Just accept “The scientists said so…”

In other words, the people who have the most direct financial interest in this, who really have no specific data and produce continual studies that contradict each other SAID SO… Accept it, minions!!!

I won’t even bring up “50/50” Tony Fauci who basically is about as scientifically accurate in his predictions as a monkey throwing a dart at a board. And his 50/50 track record dates back long before 2019. See what he had to say about AIDS back in the day. He couldn’t keep his story straight then either… Anyway… Just don’t question the scientists… They know everything…

Originally Posted by spd2918 (Post 2363201)

Many scientists believe co2 increases with higher temps (i.e. co2 does not raise temps). But it is a number that can be tracked, fudged, and used to collect more taxs.

Originally Posted by LeRoySmith (Post 2363219)

My memory isn't great these days so I'll probably forget by then. That said I have kids and grandkids so I hope we figure it out pretty soon and stop being so inflammatory in these discussions and work towards the right action / solution.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2363221)

That's just serving up a softball :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

To continue that analogy, the window is in a 60 story, 2000-unit high-rise apartment building, and yes, the kid (human use of fossil fuels) did MINIMAL damage by breaking one of 4,000 windows. Of course, the demolition crew with 3 tons of dynamite used repetitively over 20,000 years (the sun, Earth's orbit, underwater volcanos, etc.) are the ones responsible for 99.99999999% of the changes.

Thanks, that was easy.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2363225)

Again, please don't confuse the gullible and indoctrinated with THE FACTS.

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2363258)

Sorry. You're wrong. Only one of many voices spreading the news. Not even a minor prophet.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2363251)

OMG---where do I start?

OK, start with NASA.
A government agency 100% dependent on the budget made by a government that espouses anthropomorphic climate change. What a surprise that they concur with that myth. No different than the "95% of climatologists" who are forced to dance to that same tune. The more accurate statement would be that 100% of marionettes are controlled by the puppet masters that hold the strings. Case closed :spoken:

Now, that aluminum fallacy:

A classic apples/oranges error.
A "sizeable" piece of aluminum? how big? 10 sq. ft.? 20? 50? Just to prove a point, I'll give you 100. And it's noted that exposure to the sun warms it. Of course. But note the surface area of the Earth is just over 5.6 TRILLION sq. ft. That's the comparison being made???? Then, note that burning "a little" fossil fuel, presumably on only a few square feet makes it very hot. The equivalent in that fallacy is that you would have to burn about 1 trillion times that amount of fossil fuel to get the same effect on the Earth. Again, case closed, :spoken:

Originally Posted by BTburton (Post 2363247)

“There’s only one God, and He knows.

Originally Posted by spd2918 (Post 2363280)

You correctly termed Gore as a "prophet," as Global Cooling / Global Warming / Climate Change is a religion. There have been many doomsday cults in world history; this is but the latest.

Gore was enamored with Roger Revelle, the founder of the Global Warming Church. Revelle himself, before his death, said there was too little evidence to mandate drastic changes:

"The scientific base for a greenhouse warming is too uncertain to justify drastic action at this time."

Prophet Gore, to his credit, figured out a way to use doomsday predictions to extract money from both followers and governments.

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2363290)

Your reading comprehension needs work. I did not term him a prophet. Not even a minor one. Just one of the many voices spreading the news. Maybe that is why you have gone down the wrong path? Just a thought.

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2363273)

Not the same by even the biggest stretch of the imagination. But, then, you already knew that. Interesting story though. 🫠

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 2362819)

https://x.com/MikeZaccardi/status/1826572582100815928

I can't post screenshots so one will have to click on the link

The earth wobbles and weather is random. . and the magnetic poles are on the move!

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2363304)

Yesterday Texas had 110 degree temperature which were all-time record HEAT and killed several Texans.

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2363038)

You must be at Burger King cuz you think it's going your way. 😃 Sorry! Global warming is real. And, human activities have had a negative impact on it and it is speeding up.
Also, the sky isn't falling and Santa Claus and the Easter bunny don't exist. And, the Earth is not flat, but my butt is. Tmi? 🙈🙈🙈

Originally Posted by CybrSage (Post 2363157)

Out of curiosity, how much of the warming is caused by humans and how much is caused by the natural cycles that would be warming the planet even if humans never existed?
This is important, since I'd it is 1%, nothing we do will change anything, but at 99%, we should ruin lives and causes misery and woe to fix it
Any idea?

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2363320)

True facts about Global Warming. GW also causes climate unpredictability. The Ocean temperatures are more representative of Global Warming. Alaska has big problems - most of the crab fisherman nets are bringing up DEAD crabs due to ocean warming in that area. Around Florida the ocean water and Gulf are still warm. The cold temperatures recorded in the US recently could be related to the recent hurricane . Hurricanes are a mechanism of the Earth to equalize temperatures between North and South. I believe that Antarctica temperatures are now close to the all-time record. The melting glaciers will raise the ocean levels and eventually cause major problems for Miami. And the increase in Earths HEAT is a recent phenomenon (last 30 years). It has nothing to do with paleoclimatology or Earth wobble. It is all about CO2 from factories and the infernal combustion engines stuck in the upper atmosphere and the INCREASE in CO2 from larger Earth population in the last 30 years - leading to more CO2 emissions from industry and automobiles.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2363110)

Global warming is real. It started about 20,000 years ago, this cycle, and a dozen or more times in the previous 4.5 million years.

However, "human activities" have had zero to a negligible effect on these cycles driven by the power of the sun and Earth's orbit. No, I don't think there is any evidence that Fred Flintstone drove a SUV.

And I like Burger King!!!:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Originally Posted by spd2918 (Post 2363292)

You are True Believer.

Originally Posted by CybrSage (Post 2363157)

Out of curiosity, how much of the warming is caused by humans and how much is caused by the natural cycles that would be warming the planet even if humans never existed?
This is important, since I'd it is 1%, nothing we do will change anything, but at 99%, we should ruin lives and causes misery and woe to fix it
Any idea?

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2363333)

It is basically All caused by humans in the last 30 years. Check those graphs that I indicated.

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2363181)

When you alter an ecosystem / change the environment, the climate will change. Since before the rise of the industrial revolution mankind has been disrupting ecosystems in small ways. But since the industrial revolution, with population soaring and ever increasing destruction of habitats, terraforming, pollution and more, it is undeniable. Yet, there are those will try. Like the kids who broke a window, they will deny they had anything to do with it. Then they will ask if they can have their ball back.

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2363171)

Let's see:

The Earth started warming 20,000 years before humans even discovered fossil fuels. Ice 2 miles thick covering much of the Northern Hemisphere melted, most glaciers receded and whatever coastal cities that were built are now underwater.

I'd say that all of that occurring without any human activity is VERY RELEVANT

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2363333)

It is basically All caused by humans in the last 30 years. Check those graphs that I indicated.

Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2363335)

Those graphs were manufactured using corrupted temperature data. The bias is obvious to those who dare to look. The Weather Club will expose this data fraud at next month's meeting ... The Villages Weather Club

Originally Posted by LeRoySmith (Post 2363196)

I think the trouble with conversations like these is the widespread lack of trust we are experiencing. When I was a kid we trusted our teachers and schools, science, the press, elections etc.

Over the past 20 or 30 years so many of the things we thought were fact have been brought into question, some with very good evidence what we've been told is false. I don't know how or if we will ever get that trust (naivety) back. Trust lost is difficult to regain.

When we talk about climate change / global warming or any one of a thousand other topics the truth and the facts are all mixed in with the rhetoric. If the people giving us the facts are too invested in a particular outcome for them to be neutral and above question the questions come automatically.

I'd be happy to get on the climate change train as I think digging up and consuming fossil fuels is a poor long term plan. Some day, I think we will figure out a way to produce enough energy to sustain ourselves without burning oil and coal. Until that day burning fossil fuels (& nuclear) is the best option we have. Convince me you don't have a hidden agenda and maybe I'll give you a listen.

I don't think I've seen any clear evidence either way that's convincing enough for me to get on a chat/forum and tell people how wrong they are. I know what I think but I'm also very willing to admit I could be wrong in my beliefs.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2363329)

And somebody thinks all that is factual?

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1 rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Originally Posted by LeRoySmith (Post 2363342)

Do you think it's a good idea for us to attend the weather club meeting?

Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2363208)

The "trust" was lost when the Nobel Prize became political when it started honoring people who made failed climate forecasts and failed climate models. Trust does not come from narratives, but from data, where each person can see and think for themselves. One example will be given about Tonga Volcano & Global Warming -- Aug 26 at 1 PM at Bridgeport. Other talks are listed here ... The Villages Weather Club

Originally Posted by LeRoySmith (Post 2363342)

Do you think it's a good idea for us to attend the weather club meeting?