Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 2362819)

https://x.com/MikeZaccardi/status/1826572582100815928

I can't post screenshots so one will have to click on the link

The earth wobbles and weather is random. . and the magnetic poles are on the move!

Originally Posted by LeRoySmith (Post 2363196)

I think the trouble with conversations like these is the widespread lack of trust we are experiencing. When I was a kid we trusted our teachers and schools, science, the press, elections etc.

Over the past 20 or 30 years so many of the things we thought were fact have been brought into question, some with very good evidence what we've been told is false. I don't know how or if we will ever get that trust (naivety) back. Trust lost is difficult to regain.

When we talk about climate change / global warming or any one of a thousand other topics the truth and the facts are all mixed in with the rhetoric. If the people giving us the facts are too invested in a particular outcome for them to be neutral and above question the questions come automatically.

I'd be happy to get on the climate change train as I think digging up and consuming fossil fuels is a poor long term plan. Some day, I think we will figure out a way to produce enough energy to sustain ourselves without burning oil and coal. Until that day burning fossil fuels (& nuclear) is the best option we have. Convince me you don't have a hidden agenda and maybe I'll give you a listen.

I don't think I've seen any clear evidence either way that's convincing enough for me to get on a chat/forum and tell people how wrong they are. I know what I think but I'm also very willing to admit I could be wrong in my beliefs.

Originally Posted by DrMack (Post 2363214)

Wait about 30,000 more years if you are into a cooler climate.

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2363181)

When you alter an ecosystem / change the environment, the climate will change. Since before the rise of the industrial revolution mankind has been disrupting ecosystems in small ways. But since the industrial revolution, with population soaring and ever increasing destruction of habitats, terraforming, pollution and more, it is undeniable. Yet, there are those will try. Like the kids who broke a window, they will deny they had anything to do with it. Then they will ask if they can have their ball back.

Originally Posted by rsimpson (Post 2363198)

Man's impact vs our Sun: - which factor do you think impacts Earth's climate more?

Sun’s energy output per second[ ≈ 3.8 x 10²⁶ joules.
Total energy consumption by humanity (all time) ≈ 10²³ to 10²⁴ joules.
The Sun produces more energy in a little more than one second than humans have ever generated or consumed in all of history.

Originally Posted by LeRoySmith (Post 2363219)

My memory isn't great these days so I'll probably forget by then. That said I have kids and grandkids so I hope we figure it out pretty soon and stop being so inflammatory in these discussions and work towards the right action / solution.

Originally Posted by DrMack (Post 2363229)

I believe human beings will endure, they will just have adapt and many living near the ocean will need to relocate to more climate resilient terrain. Meanwhile the con artists will be looking for opportunities to capitalize on short sightedness selling their snake oils for the quick buck. Human nature also seems to press on.

Originally Posted by DrMack (Post 2363214)

NASA tells me all I need to know. The Milankovitch cycle can’t be refuted. Science lays it out pretty clearly. We have an elliptical orbit with our sun. There are periods where we are closer and times when we are much farther from the star. For myself, I kind of wonder how some go so far off the beaten path to tout their suspicions that are sometimes way off base.

Wait about 30,000 more years if you are into a cooler climate. The complete cycle is 100,000 years but our path will be a little farther from the sun then. For now, look to even warmer temperatures in our climate as the Earth still needs to orbit closer.

Originally Posted by DrMack (Post 2363214)

NASA tells me all I need to know. The Milankovitch cycle can’t be refuted. Science lays it out pretty clearly. We have an elliptical orbit with our sun. There are periods where we are closer and times when we are much farther from the star. For myself, I kind of wonder how some go so far off the beaten path to tout their suspicions that are sometimes way off base.

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Originally Posted by rsimpson (Post 2363198)

Man's impact vs our Sun: - which factor do you think impacts Earth's climate more?

Sun’s energy output per second[ ≈ 3.8 x 10²⁶ joules.
Total energy consumption by humanity (all time) ≈ 10²³ to 10²⁴ joules.
The Sun produces more energy in a little more than one second than humans have ever generated or consumed in all of history.

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2363238)

That's a refreshing viewpoint. From NASA's site on climate change:

There is unequivocal evidence that Earth is warming at an unprecedented rate. Human activity is the principal cause.

I have a sizeable piece of aluminum on my lanai. On bright, sunny days it is hot to the touch while on cloudy days it is just warm and at night, without the sun, it is cool to the touch. Clearly, all that energy from the sun is having an effect. However, add a little fossil fuel and the piece of aluminum will get hot enough to take the skin off my hand. No matter how large the contribution from the sun, a little man-made input can make a difference.

I have not seen one comment ever that denied paleoclimatology or Milankovitch cycles. I have not seen one comment ever that claimed that the only influence on climate was man made. Y'all want to argue that size matters and yours is bigger than mine but no climate scientist claims otherwise.