Originally Posted by LeRoySmith (Post 2363196)

I think the trouble with conversations like these is the widespread lack of trust we are experiencing. When I was a kid we trusted our teachers and schools, science, the press, elections etc.

Over the past 20 or 30 years so many of the things we thought were fact have been brought into question, some with very good evidence what we've been told is false. I don't know how or if we will ever get that trust (naivety) back. Trust lost is difficult to regain.

When we talk about climate change / global warming or any one of a thousand other topics the truth and the facts are all mixed in with the rhetoric. If the people giving us the facts are too invested in a particular outcome for them to be neutral and above question the questions come automatically.

I'd be happy to get on the climate change train as I think digging up and consuming fossil fuels is a poor long term plan. Some day, I think we will figure out a way to produce enough energy to sustain ourselves without burning oil and coal. Until that day burning fossil fuels (& nuclear) is the best option we have. Convince me you don't have a hidden agenda and maybe I'll give you a listen.

I don't think I've seen any clear evidence either way that's convincing enough for me to get on a chat/forum and tell people how wrong they are. I know what I think but I'm also very willing to admit I could be wrong in my beliefs.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2363329)

And somebody thinks all that is factual?

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Originally Posted by LeRoySmith (Post 2363342)

Do you think it's a good idea for us to attend the weather club meeting?

Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2363208)

The "trust" was lost when the Nobel Prize became political when it started honoring people who made failed climate forecasts and failed climate models. Trust does not come from narratives, but from data, where each person can see and think for themselves. One example will be given about Tonga Volcano & Global Warming -- Aug 26 at 1 PM at Bridgeport. Other talks are listed here ... The Villages Weather Club

Originally Posted by LeRoySmith (Post 2363342)

Do you think it's a good idea for us to attend the weather club meeting?

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2363352)

The Tonga eruption has been PROVEN to NOT have a significant effect on Global temperatures . That is old outdated and disproved information.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2363330)

I prefer the fish sandwich because it is better for the environment and uses less land resources. Sorry, I could not resist.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2363180)

Mammoth flatulence.

Everybody knows that.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2363345)

Look up a graph of earth temperatures on the scale of the last 30 years. Then compare it with a graph of world population for the last 30 years. And there is the evidence needed.

Originally Posted by DrMack (Post 2363229)

I believe human beings will endure, they will just have adapt and many living near the ocean will need to relocate to more climate resilient terrain. Meanwhile the con artists will be looking for opportunities to capitalize on short sightedness selling their snake oils for the quick buck. Human nature also seems to press on.

Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2363340)

NONE of those graphs specify how much "man-made" CO2 warmed the earth last year. Why is that?

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2363234)

I agree. But remember, the only way these snake oil salesmen (global warming caused by human activity proponents) can cash in is by somehow making the normal global warming cycle seem to be the result of human activity, claim it is imminent rather than 30,000 years away, and convince the gullible that we can "fight" it by spending the $168 TRILLION that the Paris accords would cost. Oh, Al, I see the ice caps did not disappear in 2010.

Originally Posted by BTburton (Post 2363247)

“Whether” you believe in climate change, which oh, BTW, we experience every day and have been since the beginning of time, OR global warming or anything else the elite, gaslighting, globalists call it, there is absolutely nothing any of us can do about it. There’s only one God, and He knows.

Originally Posted by Sandabern (Post 2363261)

Hush now… Don’t expect to get an answer to a specific question… That would ruin the argument… Just accept “The scientists said so…”

In other words, the people who have the most direct financial interest in this, who really have no specific data and produce continual studies that contradict each other SAID SO… Accept it, minions!!!

I won’t even bring up “50/50” Tony Fauci who basically is about as scientifically accurate in his predictions as a monkey throwing a dart at a board. And his 50/50 track record dates back long before 2019. See what he had to say about AIDS back in the day. He couldn’t keep his story straight then either… Anyway… Just don’t question the scientists… They know everything…

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2363265)

Just a thought here. Maybe the focus on Co2 is missing the bigger picture of what/how the co2 mixes with and effects all the other components contributing to higher temps. Like one ingredient in a complicated recipe. No one thing is responsible for Global Warming.