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golfing eagles 08-07-2024 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2357178)
Facts are different than theories. These cover a lot of ground.


You can double check what are facts using the internet rather easily. Theories are a lot harder but I have found very few facts which negate the theory of global warming.

Not hard at all. You just have to pick them out from the avalanche of nonsense promoting the myth of anthropogenic global warming.

sounding 08-07-2024 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2357178)
Facts are different than theories. These cover a lot of ground.


You can double check what are facts using the internet rather easily. Theories are a lot harder but I have found very few facts which negate the theory of global warming.

Global warming is not a theory - it's reality - it's been warming and cooling via many cycles for billions of years. We are currently under the influence of warming and cooling cycles, but the net result of those cycles is a very slow warming trend as we continue to thaw out from the Little Ice Age ... which is expected to continue for about another 100 years or so. Find out why at the Weather Club ... The Villages Weather Club

fdpaq0580 08-07-2024 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2357223)
Not hard at all. You just have to pick them out from the avalanche of nonsense promoting the myth of anthropogenic global warming.

Sounds like there is little, possibly questionable, evidence sprinkled amongst a mountain of factual evidence of anthropogenic global warming.
We (humans) didn’t start global warming, but we absolutely have contributed to it. We most certainly have done nothing to hold it back.

sounding 08-07-2024 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2357318)
Sounds like there is little, possibly questionable, evidence sprinkled amongst a mountain of factual evidence of anthropogenic global warming.
We (humans) didn’t start global warming, but we absolutely have contributed to it. We most certainly have done nothing to hold it back.

Claims about man-made global warming are fun to make up ... but actual data is much better. So ... how much did man-made CO2 warm the earth last year?

Pballer 08-07-2024 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by bmcgowan13 (Post 2357103)
Amen to that!

Roger Ailes was truly brilliant. He was an amazing TV pioneer and cashed in. I truly respect him for that. He was the media consultant for Richard Nixon/Ronald Regan. After the Nixon/Kennedy debates he was a visionary who realized that television was indeed the future. He saw a thirst for an outlet that told people what they wanted to hear and he created it. He was the Henry Ford of targeted programming.

With the advent of the internet *everyone* can now site-surf and find the outlet/web site that confirms their already existing opinion and they head to the trough to feed. Nobody needs to hear the opposite opinion--we can so easily migrate to the source (MSNBC, CNN, ABC, NBC, PBS) that confirms/validates our existing premise--it is always reassuring to know that we are always correct. :bigbow:

All these other web/news sources are trying to mimic Ailes--and they are decades behind him and sloppily trying to catch up. He was the Lucy Arnez of opinion /commentary/news content....

Back in the 60's he saw the future. Well done Mr. Ailes--well done.

Mainstream media certainly has a lot of catching up to do with Ailes. Fox "News" had agreed to pay Dominion Voting Systems $787,000,000 to settle a defamation lawsuit concerning all the lies Fox promoted against them during the 2020 election. Fox promoted these lies in order not to lose viewers who only watch "news" outlets that reinforce their beliefs.

fdpaq0580 08-07-2024 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2357333)
Claims about man-made global warming are fun to make up ... but actual data is much better. So ... how much did man-made CO2 warm the earth last year?

So ... how much did naysayers hogwash cool the earth last year?

Oh, the answer to your question is, combined with other human "contributions", @ .07 degrees C.

sounding 08-07-2024 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2357357)
So ... how much did naysayers hogwash cool the earth last year?

Oh, the answer to your question is, combined with other human "contributions", @ .07 degrees C.

Please provide "the science" (as we are all told to follow) that produces the .07 C value.

lkagele 08-07-2024 12:00 PM

I know next to nothing about coral reefs so I did a quick search on 'coral reef thriving'. Articles abound of areas where reefs are thriving.

Fear mongering to promote a hidden agenda? Oh, sorry, We all know that never happens......

Bill14564 08-07-2024 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by lkagele (Post 2357379)
I know next to nothing about coral reefs so I did a quick search on 'coral reef thriving'. Articles abound of areas where reefs are thriving.

Fear mongering to promote a hidden agenda? Oh, sorry, We all know that never happens......

If only science was that simple.

Facts: Large areas of coral reefs have died off;; large areas are now again covered by coral.

Nearly everything beyond that is just some conclusion drawn from two data points. No investigation into why the coral died. Not investigation into what changed that the coral can now recover. No data on whether the coral that has recovered is substantially the same as what was lost.

A lightning strike causes a fire that destroys hundreds of acres of old-growth forest. Twenty years later the area is covered with healthy pines. Since the area is again covered with trees does that prove that lightning doesn't destroy forests? Can we say there were trees before and there are trees now so nothing really happened, the trees just changed their clothes?

Science just isn't that simple.

Byte1 08-07-2024 02:06 PM

It's a shame that underwater volcanoes erupt and warm the oceans so much. Too bad man can't control volcanoes like they control the climate..............:1rotfl:

bmcgowan13 08-07-2024 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Pballer (Post 2357347)
Mainstream media certainly has a lot of catching up to do with Ailes. Fox "News" had agreed to pay Dominion Voting Systems $787,000,000 to settle a defamation lawsuit concerning all the lies Fox promoted against them during the 2020 election. Fox promoted these lies in order not to lose viewers who only watch "news" outlets that reinforce their beliefs.

“Mainstream media” will never catch up!

In (another) stroke of brilliance, when Ailes created FOX NEWS he made sure it was on cable-only (not to be confused with FOX Entertainment which airs locally and has the Simpsons, etc.) so FOX NEWS is NOT constrained by the FCC and the Frankfurter (SCOTUS 1943) ruling that allow the federal government to meddle in on-air stations operations.

Frankfurter--“This ruling cleared the way for the FCC to regulate networks indirectly by banning licenses to individual stations that contract with networks engaged in practices considered detrimental to the public interest.“

FOX NEWS is free of the FCC public interest requirements that apply to NBC, ABC, CBS, etc. – the on-air entities. He knew (even back then) that cable was the future. He was a visionary. If you notice on-air talent reports “others are saying” and quote/echo “other” sources. Ailes freed them from the burden to investigate on his dime. Smart man. He was a businessman to the core.

There are five major recognized journalism awards. FOX NEWS has never won an Emmy, Edward R. Murrow, DuPont/Columbia, Peabody or Pulitzer. MTV and Nickelodeon have one each. Roger did not care on bit. He didn’t need them. Why fight for viewers with three other networks (forget CNN—they were newcomers) when you can groom your own loyal audience?

He is comparable to Elon Musk who had the vision, the courage and the money to step up while NASA and Boeing were failing to fill the need.

FOX is commentary/opinion—they do not purport to report news (see Dominion Voting defense) . He packed the programming/commentary with Glen Beck, Megan Kelly, Bill O’Reilly, Gretchen Carlson, Chris Wallace, Jeanine Pirro, Ed Henry, Tucker Carlson, Eric Bolling, and Sean Hannity. All talented audience builders. Ailes never needed it to be a “news” station. He saw a lucrative future while mainstream media was blind During its startup FOX PAID $11 per month to get cable companies to carry the station. (Most providers are compensated for carrying their content) FOX used Rudi Guiliani to step in as the mayor to make Time Warner carry the FOX NEWS channel in NYC. He played hardball and was genius-what companies PAY cable providers to carry THEIR channel. FOX NEWS has exceeded his expectations.

FOX NEWS had revenues exceeding $3B (with a “B”) in the last quarter of 2023. What other venue can come even close to this measure of success?

The so-called main-stream entities are lost in space—they can’t compete with Roger’s genius.

fdpaq0580 08-07-2024 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2357366)
Please provide "the science" (as we are all told to follow) that produces the .07 C value.

You asked that same question many many times. Now you have your answer. But that isn't good enough. You want others to jump through hoops of your choosing to give you answers you will deny because the truth doesn't fit your narrative. I did some work and came up with that answer. You want my answer and my work. You are like the kid in school who cheated off others test answers. Do your own research if you can and get your own answers instead of relying upon others who spin a narrative that says what you want to hear. By the way, my figure was many decimal places long. What I gave you was an appropriate figure.
Good luck. I wish you every success.

fdpaq0580 08-07-2024 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 2357414)
It's a shame that underwater volcanoes erupt and warm the oceans so much. Too bad man can't control volcanoes like they control the climate..............:1rotfl:

Don't forget the surface volcanoes. They are doing there part. Volcanic activity has been a part of Earth's evolution since the world began. Human caused destruction, pollution, deforestation, burning fossil fuel and even wood, mining, etc, is in addition to the Earth's natural heating/cooling cycles. And Human caused changes have been documented and tested and there are direct correlations that prove Human industrial activity exacerbates global warming. The truth is out there. Seek and ye shall find. Or not.

sounding 08-07-2024 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2357469)
You asked that same question many many times. Now you have your answer. But that isn't good enough. You want others to jump through hoops of your choosing to give you answers you will deny because the truth doesn't fit your narrative. I did some work and came up with that answer. You want my answer and my work. You are like the kid in school who cheated off others test answers. Do your own research if you can and get your own answers instead of relying upon others who spin a narrative that says what you want to hear. By the way, my figure was many decimal places long. What I gave you was an appropriate figure.
Good luck. I wish you every success.

Appropriate? Just try inserting an "appropriate" trajectory (without a science based formula) into a rocket designed to land on Mars. The reason you can't provide a science-based answer to man-made CO2 warming is becase the main stream media refuses to provide it. Guess why.

sounding 08-07-2024 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2357489)
Don't forget the surface volcanoes. They are doing there part. Volcanic activity has been a part of Earth's evolution since the world began. Human caused destruction, pollution, deforestation, burning fossil fuel and even wood, mining, etc, is in addition to the Earth's natural heating/cooling cycles. And Human caused changes have been documented and tested and there are direct correlations that prove Human industrial activity exacerbates global warming. The truth is out there. Seek and ye shall find. Or not.

If the truth is out there -- please provide it. How much did man-made CO2 warm the earth last year? Or any year?

JMintzer 08-07-2024 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2357178)
Facts are different than theories. These cover a lot of ground.


You can double check what are facts using the internet rather easily. Theories are a lot harder but I have found very few facts which negate the theory of global warming.

Which. completely negates your claim that "You can double check what are facts using the internet rather easily"...

I (and many others) have posted those facts, multiple times, with only a modicum of time "searching the internet"...

JMintzer 08-07-2024 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2357318)
Sounds like there is little, possibly questionable, evidence sprinkled amongst a mountain of factual evidence of anthropogenic global warming.
We (humans) didn’t start global warming, but we absolutely have contributed to it. We most certainly have done nothing to hold it back.

I think we should all move to another part of the world to "old back" and possibly even "reverse" the ever changing tilt of the earth's axis in it's orbit...

JMintzer 08-07-2024 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Pballer (Post 2357347)
Mainstream media certainly has a lot of catching up to do with Ailes. Fox "News" had agreed to pay Dominion Voting Systems $787,000,000 to settle a defamation lawsuit concerning all the lies Fox promoted against them during the 2020 election. Fox promoted these lies in order not to lose viewers who only watch "news" outlets that reinforce their beliefs.

Everybody Drink! But I do find it interesting that many of the prevoius claims that were deemed "lies" are now being shown to be true...

JMintzer 08-07-2024 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2357385)
If only science was that simple.

Facts: Large areas of coral reefs have died off;; large areas are now again covered by coral.

Nearly everything beyond that is just some conclusion drawn from two data points. No investigation into why the coral died. Not investigation into what changed that the coral can now recover. No data on whether the coral that has recovered is substantially the same as what was lost.

A lightning strike causes a fire that destroys hundreds of acres of old-growth forest. Twenty years later the area is covered with healthy pines. Since the area is again covered with trees does that prove that lightning doesn't destroy forests? Can we say there were trees before and there are trees now so nothing really happened, the trees just changed their clothes?

Science just isn't that simple.

Those forest fires are needed to maintain the healthy forests.

Once they get too big, those "old growth trees" begin to choke out the undergrowth (not enough sunlight gets thru) and it does, leaving behind excellent kinding for a forest fire.

Once a fire burns the old growth threes, their seed post release new seeds (they need the fire to release the seeds), and the cycle begins anew...

Coral reefs die. Later, they are replaced by healthy new reefs... The cycle of life continues...

JMintzer 08-07-2024 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 2357414)
It's a shame that underwater volcanoes erupt and warm the oceans so much. Too bad man can't control volcanoes like they control the climate..............:1rotfl:

Same with the under water oil spills. The earth "farts" up millions of gallons of oil every year...

We really need to fix this. Maybe spending a few $Trillion$ would help...

JMintzer 08-07-2024 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by bmcgowan13 (Post 2357461)
“Mainstream media” will never catch up!

In (another) stroke of brilliance, when Ailes created FOX NEWS he made sure it was on cable-only (not to be confused with FOX Entertainment which airs locally and has the Simpsons, etc.) so FOX NEWS is NOT constrained by the FCC and the Frankfurter (SCOTUS 1943) ruling that allow the federal government to meddle in on-air stations operations.

Frankfurter--“This ruling cleared the way for the FCC to regulate networks indirectly by banning licenses to individual stations that contract with networks engaged in practices considered detrimental to the public interest.“

FOX NEWS is free of the FCC public interest requirements that apply to NBC, ABC, CBS, etc. – the on-air entities. He knew (even back then) that cable was the future. He was a visionary. If you notice on-air talent reports “others are saying” and quote/echo “other” sources. Ailes freed them from the burden to investigate on his dime. Smart man. He was a businessman to the core.

There are five major recognized journalism awards. FOX NEWS has never won an Emmy, Edward R. Murrow, DuPont/Columbia, Peabody or Pulitzer. MTV and Nickelodeon have one each. Roger did not care on bit. He didn’t need them. Why fight for viewers with three other networks (forget CNN—they were newcomers) when you can groom your own loyal audience?

He is comparable to Elon Musk who had the vision, the courage and the money to step up while NASA and Boeing were failing to fill the need.

FOX is commentary/opinion—they do not purport to report news (see Dominion Voting defense) . He packed the programming/commentary with Glen Beck, Megan Kelly, Bill O’Reilly, Gretchen Carlson, Chris Wallace, Jeanine Pirro, Ed Henry, Tucker Carlson, Eric Bolling, and Sean Hannity. All talented audience builders. Ailes never needed it to be a “news” station. He saw a lucrative future while mainstream media was blind During its startup FOX PAID $11 per month to get cable companies to carry the station. (Most providers are compensated for carrying their content) FOX used Rudi Guiliani to step in as the mayor to make Time Warner carry the FOX NEWS channel in NYC. He played hardball and was genius-what companies PAY cable providers to carry THEIR channel. FOX NEWS has exceeded his expectations.

FOX NEWS had revenues exceeding $3B (with a “B”) in the last quarter of 2023. What other venue can come even close to this measure of success?

The so-called main-stream entities are lost in space—they can’t compete with Roger’s genius.

Good thing that neither CNN nor MSNBC did the exact same thing... Wait, what?

As to your "Emmy" comment, take two seconds and ponder who exactly runs and selects the Emmy nomination and votes for the winners...

JMintzer 08-07-2024 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2357489)
Don't forget the surface volcanoes. They are doing there part. Volcanic activity has been a part of Earth's evolution since the world began. Human caused destruction, pollution, deforestation, burning fossil fuel and even wood, mining, etc, is in addition to the Earth's natural heating/cooling cycles. And Human caused changes have been documented and tested and there are direct correlations that prove Human industrial activity exacerbates global warming. The truth is out there. Seek and ye shall find. Or not.

Humans are but a gnat on the Earth's @ss in the grand scheme of things...

fdpaq0580 08-08-2024 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2357527)
Humans are but a gnat on the Earth's @ss in the grand scheme of things...

More like ticks that carry diseases, or beetles that can devastate woodlands. Or flea that carries plague. Maybe not an insect, but a single algae that blooms and poisons ocean waters.
Remember, friend, we are the "gnat" that invented the atomic bomb. Over 8 Billion of industrial "gnats" can move mountains and reshape the earth. And, we have. Give your species the credit we deserve.

JMintzer 08-08-2024 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2357675)
More like ticks that carry diseases, or beetles that can devastate woodlands. Or flea that carries plague. Maybe not an insect, but a single algae that blooms and poisons ocean waters.
Remember, friend, we are the "gnat" that invented the atomic bomb. Over 8 Billion of industrial "gnats" can move mountains and reshape the earth. And, we have. Give your species the credit we deserve.

To your "devastate woodlands" comment: "The United States has more trees today than we had 100 years ago (and a global study even found that the number of trees on Earth is around 3.04 trillion, a much higher number than previously believed.) The United States is the world's largest consumer (and second largest producer, after Canada) of forest products."

And this Blue Marble will be alive and well long after all humans are nothing but dust...

fdpaq0580 08-08-2024 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2357867)
To your "devastate woodlands" comment: "The United States has more trees today than we had 100 years ago (and a global study even found that the number of trees on Earth is around 3.04 trillion, a much higher number than previously believed.) The United States is the world's largest consumer (and second largest producer, after Canada) of forest products."

And this Blue Marble will be alive and well long after all humans are nothing but dust...

Look again, friend. Since 1900 the world has lost forest area the size off the U. S., the same size forest area was lost over the previous 9000 years. Can't see the forest for the lack of trees. Huge swaths of old growth forests, the forests that best produced oxygen, have been laid waste to make room for farms/ranches and plantations like coffee and other poor/low oxygen producers. Yeah, we destroy the good and replace it with poor. If that were the only[/B] damage we did. But it isn't.
Oh, that's right you only site U.S. and Canada, but the problem is a global one. And the state of the Canadian and U.S. forests owes a lot to those tree huggers and the protection and regulations they got passed to replant forests and selective logging to keep the land healthy for regrowth. Left to their own devices, the loggers would have raped the land and left it bare and lifeless. Then you wouldn't have been able to say how great our forests are, cause there wouldn't be any.
As to the Big Blue Marble. Let's hope you are correct about it being well. But wrong about humans turned to dust. Let us hope our species lives long and prospers because we learned our lesson and quit acting blind and arrogant.

kkingston57 08-08-2024 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2356615)
Reefs close to the shoreline are definitely negatively affected by shoreline development and the associated stuff that winds up in the ocean. However, that doesn’t explain the bleaching of the reefs much further off the shoreline or in areas with little to no development. Close to the shoreline, boats dropping anchor on the reefs is also a major source of damage.

Boats do not cause widespread whitening of the corals. Grew up on SE Florida coast and scuba dived frequently in the 80's. Stopped for 30+ years went back and saw huge changes, none of which was caused by boats

kkingston57 08-08-2024 10:46 PM

20 years ago went to the Mendenhall GLacier in Alaska and went back. Personally saw a huge difference. Saw photos in the Visitor Center and their photos showed a huge difference.

sounding 08-08-2024 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2357886)
Look again, friend. Since 1900 the world has lost forest area the size off the U. S., the same size forest area was lost over the previous 9000 years. Can't see the forest for the lack of trees. Huge swaths of old growth forests, the forests that best produced oxygen, have been laid waste to make room for farms/ranches and plantations like coffee and other poor/low oxygen producers. Yeah, we destroy the good and replace it with poor. If that were the only[/B] damage we did. But it isn't.
Oh, that's right you only site U.S. and Canada, but the problem is a global one. And the state of the Canadian and U.S. forests owes a lot to those tree huggers and the protection and regulations they got passed to replant forests and selective logging to keep the land healthy for regrowth. Left to their own devices, the loggers would have raped the land and left it bare and lifeless. Then you wouldn't have been able to say how great our forests are, cause there wouldn't be any.
As to the Big Blue Marble. Let's hope you are correct about it being well. But wrong about humans turned to dust. Let us hope our species lives long and prospers because we learned our lesson and quit acting blind and arrogant.

With all the hype and fear-mongering, I see more and more people enjoying our wonderful climate - golfing - pickleballing - cruising - dancing - swimming - etc etc etc. JMintzer understands too. JMintzer for Climate Czar.

JMintzer 08-09-2024 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2357886)
Look again, friend. Since 1900 the world has lost forest area the size off the U. S., the same size forest area was lost over the previous 9000 years. Can't see the forest for the lack of trees. Huge swaths of old growth forests, the forests that best produced oxygen, have been laid waste to make room for farms/ranches and plantations like coffee and other poor/low oxygen producers. Yeah, we destroy the good and replace it with poor. If that were the only[/B] damage we did. But it isn't.
Oh, that's right you only site U.S. and Canada, but the problem is a global one. And the state of the Canadian and U.S. forests owes a lot to those tree huggers and the protection and regulations they got passed to replant forests and selective logging to keep the land healthy for regrowth. Left to their own devices, the loggers would have raped the land and left it bare and lifeless. Then you wouldn't have been able to say how great our forests are, cause there wouldn't be any.
As to the Big Blue Marble. Let's hope you are correct about it being well. But wrong about humans turned to dust. Let us hope our species lives long and prospers because we learned our lesson and quit acting blind and arrogant.

We can only control what happens in the US. Which is why I SPECIFICALLY mentioned the US in my FACTUAL statement...

And we'll all be wiped out by a virus one day. Either naturally or man made...

I'm betting on the latter...

Taltarzac725 08-09-2024 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2358080)
If I tell you a black widow spider about to bite you on the neck, and it really is, that is warning you of something bad. Not fear mongering or hype. Like telling folks to be prepared when a hurricane is headed our way is not fear mongering. Evacuation warnings are not fear mongering, and people ignore the warnings and many end up dead, injured and needing rescue. Some don't, but they gamble with their lives and the lives of others.
As for choosing a Climate "Czar", I would prefer someone who actually understands the situation and would take appropriate action instead of patting us on the back and telling us "Don't worry about a thing. Everything is just fine" when it isn't.

Our grandkids, great grandkids, and great great grandchildren and their offspring will have to deal with our reckless stupidity of not taking global warming seriously.

golfing eagles 08-09-2024 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by kkingston57 (Post 2357890)
20 years ago went to the Mendenhall GLacier in Alaska and went back. Personally saw a huge difference. Saw photos in the Visitor Center and their photos showed a huge difference.

As expected. But that has absolutely nothing to do with human activity

sounding 08-09-2024 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2358085)
Our grandkids, great grandkids, and great great grandchildren and their offspring will have to deal with our reckless stupidity of not taking global warming seriously.

Global warming is indeed serious -- it happens every time the sun's Bray and Eddy solar cycles are in their warming cycles -- like today -- and I'm loving it. The dangerous part is when those solar cycles turn into their cooling cycles -- because cold is the big killer. PS ... the Tonga volcano is causing this year's heat wave -- which will continue many more months.

fdpaq0580 08-09-2024 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2358086)
As expected. But that has absolutely nothing to do with human activity

Actually, it does. Since human activity has played a part in exacerbating/accelerating global warming, we are part of the global warming equation.
If you are unable to comprehend our true level of involvement, just consider human industrialization as the (8,000,000,000) straws that broke the camel's back.

sounding 08-09-2024 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2358112)
Actually, it does. Since human activity has played a part in exacerbating/accelerating global warming, we are part of the global warming equation.
If you are unable to comprehend our true level of involvement, just consider human industrialization as the (8,000,000,000) straws that broke the camel's back.

Making climate claims is fun, but delivering data is the scientific way. So, according to your global warming equation ... how much did "man-made" CO2 warm the earth last year?

golfing eagles 08-09-2024 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2358122)
Making climate claims is fun, but delivering data is the scientific way. So, according to your global warming equation ... how much did "man-made" CO2 warm the earth last year?

Well, you've challenged him with that question at least 3 dozen times and have received crickets in return. The true believers don't care about the facts, only following their propaganda masters talking points. They fail to realize that their masters have a significant monetary agenda that they are pursuing. The sad part is that those masters simply consider their followers "useful idiots".

fdpaq0580 08-09-2024 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2358122)
Making climate claims is fun, but delivering data is the scientific way. So, according to your global warming equation ... how much did "man-made" CO2 warm the earth last year?

That same old saw? This time, for a change, why don't you do the research and just give us your finding instead of asking for others here to do it for you, over and over and over. I gave you the answer once, and you keep asking.

sounding 08-09-2024 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2358144)
That same old saw? This time, for a change, why don't you do the research and just give us your finding instead of asking for others here to do it for you, over and over and over. I gave you the answer once, and you keep asking.

In a civil society, the accuser has the burden of proof. I did not say man-made CO2 harms our climate - you did. You gave an answer, but without the science of how it was produced. Guessing, like palm reading, is fun, but the scientific method is preferred. Remember, our climate leaders keep telling us to follow the science. So, please show us the science you used to arrive at your answer.

fdpaq0580 08-09-2024 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2358141)
Well, you've challenged him with that question at least 3 dozen times and have received crickets in return. The true believers don't care about the facts, only following their propaganda masters talking points. They fail to realize that their masters have a significant monetary agenda that they are pursuing. The sad part is that those masters simply consider their followers "useful idiots".

Way more than 3 dozen times. And not just me. Crickets? Because it is a stupid question and we all know that it is. And it's a red herring to divert the dialog with meaningless nonsense.
Also, I did give him a answer! The, he wanted my research. If I can do the work, he can too. Don't cheat off my answer sheet.
And, as far as "useful idiots" is concerned, that is just what some guy said about his followers at some gathering recently. But that is for another time and place.
I think we can expect to see the CO2 question again and again in the future.
Have a great trip! 🙂🙂🙂

sounding 08-09-2024 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2358141)
Well, you've challenged him with that question at least 3 dozen times and have received crickets in return. The true believers don't care about the facts, only following their propaganda masters talking points. They fail to realize that their masters have a significant monetary agenda that they are pursuing. The sad part is that those masters simply consider their followers "useful idiots".

I have asked this question well over 1,000 times over the past 2 years -- on YouTube, Twitter, and now X -- and while I've received numerous responses (guesses), no one has ever been able to provide the "science" which defines GHG warming - even though the UN's IPCC uses this science in all their climate models. The media leadership knows the answer, but they refuse to print the story - because it destroys the climate narrative and exposes the climate scam. This "science" is discussed at the Weather Club, and is frequently presented in "CO2 Coalition" articles.

fdpaq0580 08-09-2024 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2358156)
In a civil society, the accuser has the burden of proof. I did not say man-made CO2 harms our climate - you did. You gave an answer, but without the science of how it was produced. Guessing, like palm reading, is fun, but the scientific method is preferred. Remember, our climate leaders keep telling us to follow the science. So, please show us the science you used to arrive at your answer.

The work is there for all to see. Just follow real science and you will find it. People who work for things appreciate it more than those who are given things. You can read the journals as easy as I. For your own good you must do the work. Our you can continue ridicule, doubt and deny and trust your magic 8 ball or guru
Wishing you success.


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