[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by sounding

You just made an assumption. In science that is dangerous. For starters, NONE of the UN climate change models are have verified. They all run way too hot for the past 30+ years. Anyone can see that from the plotted data. Second, none of the "climate models" can even be trusted, because NONE have ever replicated past climate changes -- e.g., no track record -- that are just toys because you can play with them. Third, and this is also easy to see ... for those who still believe in man-made global warming, just Google this ... "How much as man-made CO2 altered earth's temperature last year." Let me know when find the answer (keep in mind "man-made" CO2).

That's all fine, BUT it ignores the FACT that the Arctic ice has melted in relatively recent times. and glaciers are disappearing all over the world. And scientists are GREATLY concerned that massive Antarctica ice sheets are melting into the ocean. AND that can be proven by the MEASUREMENTS of ocean rise that have happened in the last 3 years.

I also understand that large areas of the Russian and Alaskan tundra are not covered in ice - so the sun is being absorbed and that is emitting large quantities of gases like CO2 which ends up in the upper atmosphere. This is considered a very dangerous cycle. I believe that some scientists believe that the earth may never be able to stop this cycle. I don't claim to be an expert on the tundra. I just point this out as an area that WE at the Villages MIGHT (?) want to discuss.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

That's all fine, BUT it ignores the FACT that the Arctic ice has melted in relatively recent times. and glaciers are disappearing all over the world. And scientists are GREATLY concerned that massive Antarctica ice sheets are melting into the ocean. AND that can be proven by the MEASUREMENTS of ocean rise that have happened in the last 3 years.

I also understand that large areas of the Russian and Alaskan tundra are not covered in ice - so the sun is being absorbed and that is emitting large quantities of gases like CO2 which ends up in the upper atmosphere. This is considered a very dangerous cycle. I believe that some scientists believe that the earth may never be able to stop this cycle. I don't claim to be an expert on the tundra. I just point this out as an area that WE at the Villages MIGHT (?) want to discuss.

Ocean levels for the last 3 years???? 3 whole years???? Maybe I’ll go out and build an ark. You have to be kidding with this one. I guess the beat goes on, and on, and on……

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Ptmckiou

Warm ocean waters means larger storms. Cold waters means no storms. Notice how Ian went from a 1 to a 4 in about 8 hours went it hit the warmest gulf waters. The reason it didn’t make it to a 5, is it ran out of warm water fuel, because it’s outer bands were then reaching over land. Land reduces strength.

Arctic ice cores have been studied and CO2 dramatically increased during the start of the Industrial Age. Prior to that time, studying 100,000+ years of time in deep ice cores, that type of fast ramp up of CO2 has not been since. So, it can be deduced that the Industrial Age was significant and CO2 has continued to rapidly increase compared to past ages. That warming is warming oceans, which in turn changes ocean currents, which brings more unstable weather, and larger storms because warm waters increases sizes of hurricanes. More CO2 means warmer waters, which by the way means many fish have to move farther north because typical food lives in the cooler waters. Everything is going to change with the more CO2. Now common sense would say, do everything we can do to reduce influencing more CO2 in the world. It doesn’t make sense to to ignore the trend of the CO2 in the world , and yet say, “Let’s just keep pumping as much CO2 into the world and ignore the rising levels.” Ya….like that makes sense.

Finally, a post that I can agree with..........now I can sit back and watch others twist themselves into pretzels to ATTEMPT to debunk the post. This climate stuff is more exciting than a pro baseball game.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Ocean levels for the last 3 years???? 3 whole years???? Maybe I’ll go out and build an ark. You have to be kidding with this one. I guess the beat goes on, and on, and on……

No, I am not kidding and neither is the US Navy, which EXPECTS great damage from ocean rise at ALL their East Coast naval yards starting around 2050. Which are located in very low coastal areas. Don't believe me????? Easy enough to Google.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Ocean levels for the last 3 years???? 3 whole years???? Maybe I’ll go out and build an ark. You have to be kidding with this one. I guess the beat goes on, and on, and on……

Cool, Let's get the gang at this forum together and build an arc. I hope it's an arc with a sail because all the gas stations will be underwater. And as for food, we won't be able to fish around here because the coral reefs are all dead. We will have to travel north to get to colder waters to find fish. And bring along a few 5 irons to repel potential boarders and/or kill sharks. What fun! Who said that Global Warming will be a bad thing?

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Cool, Let's get the gang at this forum together and build an arc. I hope it's an arc with a sail because all the gas stations will be underwater. And as for food, we won't be able to fish around here because the coral reefs are all dead. We will have to travel north to get to colder waters to find fish. And bring along a few 5 irons to repel potential boarders and/or kill sharks. What fun! Who said that Global Warming will be a bad thing?

Sure 😂😂😂

[B-flat]

Originally Posted by me4vt

Or just maybe GOD’s in charge as always! Man cannot control GOD’s will…….. Not Political!!

Excellent comment! God bless you and let's hope I don't get banned for saying God bless you.

[jimschlaefer]

Originally Posted by sounding

Increased atmospheric CO2 prevented Hurricane Ian from attaining Category 5 status. According to the NHC and Weather Channel all the right conditions were in place ... very warm ocean temperatures, very humid air, and the La Nina in the Eastern Pacific. So it must be the higher CO2 levels.

I read that astronomers detected two massive eruptions of some kind on the far side of the moon and attributed these events to the fact Ian couldn't reach Cat5.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by rsmurano

Who would ever believe in the cdc or fauci or gore? Which hoax did you believe in during the last 50 years? The hole in the ozone layer that was going to destroy us? Global cooling? Global warming? According to some politicians we only have 4 years left before earth is destroyed..

Please stop exaggerating... It's 6 years...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Ptmckiou

Warm ocean waters means larger storms. Cold waters means no storms. Notice how Ian went from a 1 to a 4 in about 8 hours went it hit the warmest gulf waters. The reason it didn’t make it to a 5, is it ran out of warm water fuel, because it’s outer bands were then reaching over land. Land reduces strength.

Arctic ice cores have been studied and CO2 dramatically increased during the start of the Industrial Age. Prior to that time, studying 100,000+ years of time in deep ice cores, that type of fast ramp up of CO2 has not been since. So, it can be deduced that the Industrial Age was significant and CO2 has continued to rapidly increase compared to past ages. That warming is warming oceans, which in turn changes ocean currents, which brings more unstable weather, and larger storms because warm waters increases sizes of hurricanes. More CO2 means warmer waters, which by the way means many fish have to move farther north because typical food lives in the cooler waters. Everything is going to change with the more CO2. Now common sense would say, do everything we can do to reduce influencing more CO2 in the world. It doesn’t make sense to to ignore the trend of the CO2 in the world , and yet say, “Let’s just keep pumping as much CO2 into the world and ignore the rising levels.” Ya….like that makes sense.

You completely ignore underwater volcanos, which go thru periods of increased and decreased activity. It was an increase in activity that caused the most recent decrease in antarctic ice and a recent decrease that has caused the ice to rebound back...

The only thing constant in climate is change...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Besides CO2 increasing the blanket effect in the upper atmosphere, it gets absorbed into the oceans and kills the coral reefs, which decreases the supply of fish to the dinner table. Planting more trees and controlling the world population is the answer (that no one wants to hear) But wars and diseases will have some controlling effect. (not the SMARTEST of ways)

You mean like the Great Barrier Reef that has actually INCREASED in size by over 25% in the last decade?

And the fact that the US land covered by forests have been INCREASING for decades?

Stabilization of deforestation happened around 1900 and forests have been stable or have increased ever since...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

If the US refused to make "green energy" products, that will NOT stop Europe, China, and India from making them. The US would lose all those jobs to other countries. When basically, the whole WORLD has agreed that for ideological and practical purposes green energy products are a needed solution for the planet Earth - I for one will NOT swim against that Global current!

China's current is to build massive amounts of coal fired electricity generators...

Europe is now burning wood to stay warm...

Is that what you're talking about?

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

CO2 is fine for the planet EXCEPT when it is out of balance and (due to higher population) forests are all cut down for CONCRETE cities and highways. Now there is not enough trees and other plants to act as a buffer to keep the system in balance. And the oceans then try to absorb the excess CO2, but they are polluted and the coral reefs are dying.

Wrong again...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

That's all fine, BUT it ignores the FACT that the Arctic ice has melted in relatively recent times. and glaciers are disappearing all over the world. And scientists are GREATLY concerned that massive Antarctica ice sheets are melting into the ocean. AND that can be proven by the MEASUREMENTS of ocean rise that have happened in the last 3 years.

I also understand that large areas of the Russian and Alaskan tundra are not covered in ice - so the sun is being absorbed and that is emitting large quantities of gases like CO2 which ends up in the upper atmosphere. This is considered a very dangerous cycle. I believe that some scientists believe that the earth may never be able to stop this cycle. I don't claim to be an expert on the tundra. I just point this out as an area that WE at the Villages MIGHT (?) want to discuss.

Exactly...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Ocean levels for the last 3 years???? 3 whole years???? Maybe I’ll go out and build an ark. You have to be kidding with this one. I guess the beat goes on, and on, and on……

Yes, maybe 1/8" per year...

And that's the high end estimate...