Amazing what can be done, with a Government Grant to prove a specific hypothesis. Also, change the weight of the factors in a model and the model's outcome changes. Noble prize winner planted trees in Africa - FYI they need CO2 to survive and produce Oz. They are finding methane gases being created by certain plants. Wake up to the twisting of reality to meet certain agendas.

False
 

Earth has experienced cold periods (or “ice ages”) and warm periods (“interglacials”) on roughly 100,000-year cycles for at least the last 1 million years. The last of these ices ended around 20,000 years ago.

Following common sense , usually your own , is the best !

our leaders couldn't find their left hand if it was in their nose. You have posted nothing that is considered valid reference material, just blurb and opinion. if you'd like reference material from a referenceable source....

Have storms become more intense on the USA east coast in recent decades? Researchers from Cornell University have studied the wind speed of northeastern storms from 1951 through 2006. The scientists, Bernhardt and DeGaetano, 2012, found, “There was no clear trend in speed during the time period, although considerable season-to-season variability was present.” - Ken Gregory.

In another reference, it states that weather changes - that's what weather does.

So this nonsense about CO2 influencing hurricanes is pure rubbish, there has not been one valid and proven study done on it ever.

Thanks for the laugh today I needed one.

Warm ocean waters means larger storms. Cold waters means no storms. Notice how Ian went from a 1 to a 4 in about 8 hours went it hit the warmest gulf waters. The reason it didn’t make it to a 5, is it ran out of warm water fuel, because it’s outer bands were then reaching over land. Land reduces strength.

Arctic ice cores have been studied and CO2 dramatically increased during the start of the Industrial Age. Prior to that time, studying 100,000+ years of time in deep ice cores, that type of fast ramp up of CO2 has not been since. So, it can be deduced that the Industrial Age was significant and CO2 has continued to rapidly increase compared to past ages. That warming is warming oceans, which in turn changes ocean currents, which brings more unstable weather, and larger storms because warm waters increases sizes of hurricanes. More CO2 means warmer waters, which by the way means many fish have to move farther north because typical food lives in the cooler waters. Everything is going to change with the more CO2. Now common sense would say, do everything we can do to reduce influencing more CO2 in the world. It doesn’t make sense to to ignore the trend of the CO2 in the world , and yet say, “Let’s just keep pumping as much CO2 into the world and ignore the rising levels.” Ya….like that makes sense.

Truth
 

So much truer now than ever. Cancel Culture is the smoking gun to force any number of lies to be spread

Right about now I would welcome fat AL
 

[QUOTE=rsmurano;2148838]Who would ever believe in the cdc or fauci or gore? Which hoax did you believe in during the last 50 … I can’t believe I’m saying this but I would vote for big ALbert in 2024….

After seeing many barns with a bullseye target painted on them with an arrow right smack dab in the center of the bullseye, one could conclude there is a very adept bow and arrow marksman about...........until coming upon the person who shoots the arrow into the side of the barn and THEN........paints the bulls eye target around the arrow!!!!

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And there are longer growing seasons, it helps crops grow better, forests are expanding northward, there may be more north sea shipping routes, less heating fuel needed for northern climates (where warming is more impactful than southern climates), more global rainfall. Yes, there are benefits and there are also significant negatives. But it's nice to hear both sides, not just one.

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Excellent analogy! :thumbup:

Let's blame California and their mismanagement of their forestry plan. Without the fires in California we would have more trees to take care of the CO2

Well I guess that shoots down the climate change theory then huh?

Amen!

Excellent commentary!

I agree that many lives have been significantly and negatively affected by hurricane Ian. (some died) And we should keep that at the top of our minds. But, it may be edifying to discuss what warnings Ian possesses for the Florida coast and the relationship between Global Warming and hurricane intensity (and other issues). My wife suggested that after Floridians get their next homeowners' insurance bill, weather and climate change will start to BITE. Five insurance companies have pulled out of Florida. I would say that that is insurance companies with the best and brightest predicting and forecasting minds available - are saying that the Gulf water temperature is warming (like the rest of the globe) and it will RESULT in more intense hurricanes. They don't care if man or God or a tilt of the earth's axis or the tooth fairy caused the potential intensity increases - they are OUTTA HERE.

By talking about a problem we can honor those that DIED and those that are homeless by talking about the problem and coming to a greater understanding so that we can recognize future problems and be willing to empathetically do something about those future problems.
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I believe that IAN was only about 2 mph from being a Cat 5 hurricane. Close enough for me, I will consider it a 5.

Besides CO2 increasing the blanket effect in the upper atmosphere, it gets absorbed into the oceans and kills the coral reefs, which decreases the supply of fish to the dinner table. Planting more trees and controlling the world population is the answer (that no one wants to hear) But wars and diseases will have some controlling effect. (not the SMARTEST of ways)

If the US refused to make "green energy" products, that will NOT stop Europe, China, and India from making them. The US would lose all those jobs to other countries. When basically, the whole WORLD has agreed that for ideological and practical purposes green energy products are a needed solution for the planet Earth - I for one will NOT swim against that Global current!

CO2 is fine for the planet EXCEPT when it is out of balance and (due to higher population) forests are all cut down for CONCRETE cities and highways. Now there is not enough trees and other plants to act as a buffer to keep the system in balance. And the oceans then try to absorb the excess CO2, but they are polluted and the coral reefs are dying.

That's all fine, BUT it ignores the FACT that the Arctic ice has melted in relatively recent times. and glaciers are disappearing all over the world. And scientists are GREATLY concerned that massive Antarctica ice sheets are melting into the ocean. AND that can be proven by the MEASUREMENTS of ocean rise that have happened in the last 3 years.

I also understand that large areas of the Russian and Alaskan tundra are not covered in ice - so the sun is being absorbed and that is emitting large quantities of gases like CO2 which ends up in the upper atmosphere. This is considered a very dangerous cycle. I believe that some scientists believe that the earth may never be able to stop this cycle. I don't claim to be an expert on the tundra. I just point this out as an area that WE at the Villages MIGHT (?) want to discuss.

Ocean levels for the last 3 years???? 3 whole years???? Maybe I’ll go out and build an ark. You have to be kidding with this one. I guess the beat goes on, and on, and on……

Finally, a post that I can agree with..........now I can sit back and watch others twist themselves into pretzels to ATTEMPT to debunk the post. This climate stuff is more exciting than a pro baseball game.

No, I am not kidding and neither is the US Navy, which EXPECTS great damage from ocean rise at ALL their East Coast naval yards starting around 2050. Which are located in very low coastal areas. Don't believe me????? Easy enough to Google.

Cool, Let's get the gang at this forum together and build an arc. I hope it's an arc with a sail because all the gas stations will be underwater. And as for food, we won't be able to fish around here because the coral reefs are all dead. We will have to travel north to get to colder waters to find fish. And bring along a few 5 irons to repel potential boarders and/or kill sharks. What fun! Who said that Global Warming will be a bad thing?

Sure 😂😂😂

Excellent comment! God bless you and let's hope I don't get banned for saying God bless you.

CO2 or Moonspots
 

I read that astronomers detected two massive eruptions of some kind on the far side of the moon and attributed these events to the fact Ian couldn't reach Cat5.

Please stop exaggerating... It's 6 years...

You completely ignore underwater volcanos, which go thru periods of increased and decreased activity. It was an increase in activity that caused the most recent decrease in antarctic ice and a recent decrease that has caused the ice to rebound back...

The only thing constant in climate is change...

You mean like the Great Barrier Reef that has actually INCREASED in size by over 25% in the last decade?

And the fact that the US land covered by forests have been INCREASING for decades?

Stabilization of deforestation happened around 1900 and forests have been stable or have increased ever since...

China's current is to build massive amounts of coal fired electricity generators...

Europe is now burning wood to stay warm...

Is that what you're talking about?

Wrong again...

Exactly...

Yes, maybe 1/8" per year...

And that's the high end estimate... :eek::eek::eek:

This smells like Q …. time to stop these conspiracy theories! This post has gone on way too long

If we could just replace the carbon dioxide with carbon monoxide all our troubles would be over.

Sorry, didn't realize it was up to you to make that decision :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Actually, it's been quite entertaining

The people who have a vested, financial interest are not the people who work for the EPA but the fossil fuel industry that has billions of dollars at stake, and they're the ones funding climate change denial like their funding of conservative think tanks that propagandize and politicize the issue like the Heritage Foundation and American Enterprise Institute. Listen to a climate scientist rather than your own rigid political views. But you won't listen despite all the links to scientifically-based information that I have posted in this forum. It won't affect you down the road because you won't be around much longer, so no matter what someone says that is contrary to what you believe, you won't change:

"Would 2022 be considered a typical hurricane season?

It’s a little early to say. So far in 2022, we've had nine named storms. We've had four hurricanes and two major hurricanes, including Ian, which made landfall on the Gulf Coast of Florida as a Category 4. So, if the hurricane season ended today, it would be considered a below-normal hurricane season. But we still have two full months left in the official hurricane season, and it would not be surprising if we saw six more named storms and or four more hurricanes."

There's more: Following Fiona and Ian, what’s next for hurricanes in 2022? | CU Boulder Today | University of Colorado Boulder

Didn’t know we had so many weather scientists here on TOTV. Not!