Huh! 7 inches of snow in Ft. Lauderdale. Never happened. Some very quick and easy research shows the last time it snowed in Ft. Lauderdale was January of 1977. This was the first report of snow flurries in over 200 years and no reports of snow flurries have been not seen since.

Now your getting silly ... again?

[QUOTE=sounding;2208009]It's a neat video so thanks for that and obviously the idea that more CO2 can help plants grow better is a fact, agree 100%.

It's the idea that CO2 is warming our planet is my concern. It just doesn't seem like pumping so much pollution (CO2 and other greenhouse gasses) into the atmosphere is a good idea.

Think of when you are in a 30 mile line of traffic going 15mph on 75. All of the cars, all of the emissions. And this is happening all over the globe all day every day. Are you thinking about this as "awesome, more CO2, great for plants!" or are you like "sure seems like a lot of pollution....is it possible it could have an effect on the planet?"

Joe

You mean the fake data.

Exactly, which is why "man-made" global warming is a silly belief -- but it is wishful thinking for many.

The government data is indeed real, even the altered temperature data.

Your mistaken it wasn't 7 inches of snow. According to news reports it was flurries Jan 1977 one day does not a cooling trend make unless you fudge the numbers.

Not 7 inches, and not flurries -- but it was during the Little Ice Age scare of the 60s and 70s -- which is frequently covered in the Weather Club ... Rare snow in Miami 45 years ago today | WHAM

[QUOTE=jimjamuser;2208054]And how is electricity for those E-Vehicles generated? Vast majority is from carbon fuels. Add to the massive amount of fuel consumed to mine all those rare earth materials and you probably end up creating more CO2 "pollution."

If the overlords were truly concerned about CO2 in the atmosphere, they would promote natural gas and nuclear as well as mandate every engine be a hybrid.

But of course we all know that CO2 reduction is not the objective.

CO2 and pollution are 2 very different things. The stats you show have been disproven by most climatologist.

More people need to go to one of John Shewchuk's talks at the Weather Club meetings.

Overlord dittos.

If you have a source that CO2 emissions are decreasing I would be genuinely interested in seeing it.

Joe

[QUOTE=ithos;2208104] It's not quite so simple. Considering that typical gas powered vehicles are only about 20% efficient in powering cars and that electric vehicles are near 80% efficient, the numbers favor the electric vehicles, even with today's electric generation system....and that system is getting more efficient all the time.

"If" is not a very positive word.
Sort of a maybe, possibly, or could be, not an "It is," is it?

[QUOTE=Hoosierb4;2208148]Going to need some sources before believing this. Can you cite them please?

Joe

Just google gas powered vehicle efficiency vs electric vehicle efficiency and you should get plenty of sources. Another way of comparing efficiencies is to look at the cost. According to energysage.com, the cost per mile for gas is about 3 times as much as for electricity to charge yur batteries. That reflects the difference in efficiency. Again, it's not even that simple. What you correctly imply is that you need to do a "total environmental warming impact" study (TEWI). I've done a few. But, they take a lot of work and I'm retired now, so won't be doing one here.

With $3.00/gal gas and $0.11/Kwh electricity:

Electric cart: $0.01/mile
Gas cart: $0.06/mile
Car: $0.15/mile

Of course, it is man-made. It happens every time the ignition key is turned on an infernal combustion engine in a car, truck, or golf cart.

The climate crisis is an illusion. What isn't an illusion is the Little Ice Age. Once you know what caused it to get cold and then warm (like today), then you understand how the sun controls our climate. We are still thawing out from the Little Ice Age. Find out more today at 10 AM at Colony Cottage.

Oh, so the NASA scientists are silly idiots making it up? Don't you think they already know far more than you and the politicians about the geological history of the planet? Sounds more like you're one of those with their heads in the sand. Whatever. When people are invested emotionally in something, nothing can change their minds.

First of all, it is not agreed that the Little Ice Age was global. Second, it occurred because of Sunspot activity and there is no indication that the global warming is because of increased radiation from the sun because the sunspot activity concluded and the warming trend ended before Industrialization. However, the current warming coincides with Industrial Activity and the rate of warming has increased precipitously along with the precipitous increase of industrialization. So, something is causing it that apparently relates to industrialization.

As it does every time a volcano erupts, or when lightning causes a fire, or old faithful spews...

"Of course it does" means nothing...

Well, it was a record amount. It has been record HEAT all over the globe for the last 8 years. And the predictions are to continue increasing for as many as 30 years into the future. The only hope is for governments to support the purchasing of E- vehicles and bicycles.
........Don't take my word - verify it with the book "The New Climate War" by climatologist Dr. Michael Mann of the U. of Pennsylvania.

True. I agree!

Civil Discord meetings?

That is quite possibly true, but there are many other FACTS that show the last 8 years warming at record levels. Also, look at the record temperature of the Gulf of Mexico set last year. And we have continuing ocean level rising, which is a RECORDED FACT and can't even be denied at some monthly meeting of climate skeptics.
.........Also, we have recorded increased CO2 levels in the ocean and coral reef bleaching and kills. Also, we have recorded increases in CO2 in the world's upper atmosphere which is radiating heat back to the earth's surface. And we have animal species destruction and extinction at a record level. And the ash tree that was once (100 years ago) the favorite tree lining a city's streets.......is now being eaten by beetles and falling down in snow storms everywhere up north, approaching extinction.

[QUOTE=Fastskiguy;2208088]I am confident as to where I come down on that question.

NASA says we are experiencing global warming. So why are we having a 7-year cooling trend?

UN IPCC official, Ottmar Edenhofer, said climate change policy is an illusion -- and it's all about global wealth distribution. But go ahead and eat bugs if that makes you feel better.

As a practical example - this summer in Florida is going to be a disastrous heat trap. Swelter away and pretend that it doesn't exist. It was recently 96 degrees in Hartford, Ct. That same worldwide HEAT is coming to Florida as we speak/type!

The solution is easy -- just move North to cooler climates. We are still thawing out from the Little Ice Age -- get used to it. When Greenland gets warm enough, maybe the Vikings will return; but right now it still too cold to grow the crops they once grew there.

Well that's interesting since he is quoted as saying, "Regarding climate change he says: 'Denying out and out that climate change is a problem for humanity, as some cynics do, is an unethical, unacceptable position.'"

Seems like he may have taken exception to the cure (at least in the 2010 timeframe where your info came from) but he doesn't deny the disease.

CO2 does become pollution when it becomes excessive as it exits the exhaust pipe of US cars and trucks and the non-catalytic converter exhaust of the grass cutting, bad driving, bad parking and speeding social outcasts hired to cut grass in the TV Land community. And the non-converter exhaust of the gazillion belching Golf Carts that pollute our local neighborhoods. We also have noise pollution AND EXHAUST POLLUTION with the gasoline weed eaters and trimmers used by the so-called lawn professionals - and their chain saws. Noise and CO2 pollution together - a perfect wedding of harmful habits, a 2-for! Breathe in those fumes........suckers - that should be a sign on their trucks.

Well, truth be told there is a device that reduces pollution drastically..........it is called an E-vehicle or E-bike. Buy one and BE THE CHANGE needed!

Notice how the all-knowing Wiki ignored the "wealth" quote.

funny

[QUOTE=Hoosierb4;2208148]I am NOT responsible for that 1st quote.
But, I do agree with the post. Good job!

No, but I notice how you ignored the denier quote.