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Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Of course, it is man-made. It happens every time the ignition key is turned on an infernal combustion engine in a car, truck, or golf cart.

The climate crisis is an illusion. What isn't an illusion is the Little Ice Age. Once you know what caused it to get cold and then warm (like today), then you understand how the sun controls our climate. We are still thawing out from the Little Ice Age. Find out more today at 10 AM at Colony Cottage.

[YeOldeCurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by sounding

Exactly, which is why "man-made" global warming is a silly belief -- but it is wishful thinking for many.

Oh, so the NASA scientists are silly idiots making it up? Don't you think they already know far more than you and the politicians about the geological history of the planet? Sounds more like you're one of those with their heads in the sand. Whatever. When people are invested emotionally in something, nothing can change their minds.

[YeOldeCurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by sounding

The climate crisis is an illusion. What isn't an illusion is the Little Ice Age. Once you know what caused it to get cold and then warm (like today), then you understand how the sun controls our climate. We are still thawing out from the Little Ice Age. Find out more today at 10 AM at Colony Cottage.

First of all, it is not agreed that the Little Ice Age was global. Second, it occurred because of Sunspot activity and there is no indication that the global warming is because of increased radiation from the sun because the sunspot activity concluded and the warming trend ended before Industrialization. However, the current warming coincides with Industrial Activity and the rate of warming has increased precipitously along with the precipitous increase of industrialization. So, something is causing it that apparently relates to industrialization.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Of course, it is man-made. It happens every time the ignition key is turned on an infernal combustion engine in a car, truck, or golf cart.

As it does every time a volcano erupts, or when lightning causes a fire, or old faithful spews...

"Of course it does" means nothing...

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by sounding

How much did "man-made" CO2 warm the earth last year?

Well, it was a record amount. It has been record HEAT all over the globe for the last 8 years. And the predictions are to continue increasing for as many as 30 years into the future. The only hope is for governments to support the purchasing of E- vehicles and bicycles.
........Don't take my word - verify it with the book "The New Climate War" by climatologist Dr. Michael Mann of the U. of Pennsylvania.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by YeOldeCurmudgeon

If the Greenhouse Gas theory is correct, then we are not getting screwed by zealots. While correlation does not prove causation -- that is, all the data shows the precipitous increase of Global Temps (much greater than in all geological history -- aside from a cataclysm like the asteroid that struck the earth that wiped out the dinosaurs -- it coincides with the advent of the Industrial Revolution and has grown incrementally or even synergistically with the increase of industrial activity. Something is causing this. All the contrary views that it is not greenhouse gases have been debunked by scientists -- like volcanic activity or the sun getting hotter, all BS created by propaganda. The best available science says it is greenhouse gases.

True. I agree!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by sounding

I believe these "Civil Discourse" meetings do have tip jars for the coffee, etc.

Civil Discord meetings?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Johncolson

Huh! 7 inches of snow in Ft. Lauderdale. Never happened. Some very quick and easy research shows the last time it snowed in Ft. Lauderdale was January of 1977. This was the first report of snow flurries in over 200 years and no reports of snow flurries have been not seen since.

That is quite possibly true, but there are many other FACTS that show the last 8 years warming at record levels. Also, look at the record temperature of the Gulf of Mexico set last year. And we have continuing ocean level rising, which is a RECORDED FACT and can't even be denied at some monthly meeting of climate skeptics.
.........Also, we have recorded increased CO2 levels in the ocean and coral reef bleaching and kills. Also, we have recorded increases in CO2 in the world's upper atmosphere which is radiating heat back to the earth's surface. And we have animal species destruction and extinction at a record level. And the ash tree that was once (100 years ago) the favorite tree lining a city's streets.......is now being eaten by beetles and falling down in snow storms everywhere up north, approaching extinction.

[jimjamuser]

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Originally Posted by sounding

It's a neat video so thanks for that and obviously the idea that more CO2 can help plants grow better is a fact, agree 100%.

It's the idea that CO2 is warming our planet is my concern. It just doesn't seem like pumping so much pollution (CO2 and other greenhouse gasses) into the atmosphere is a good idea.

Think of when you are in a 30 mile line of traffic going 15mph on 75. All of the cars, all of the emissions. And this is happening all over the globe all day every day. Are you thinking about this as "awesome, more CO2, great for plants!" or are you like "sure seems like a lot of pollution....is it possible it could have an effect on the planet?"

Joe

I am confident as to where I come down on that question.

[sounding]

Originally Posted by YeOldeCurmudgeon

Oh, so the NASA scientists are silly idiots making it up? Don't you think they already know far more than you and the politicians about the geological history of the planet? Sounds more like you're one of those with their heads in the sand. Whatever. When people are invested emotionally in something, nothing can change their minds.

NASA says we are experiencing global warming. So why are we having a 7-year cooling trend?

[sounding]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

That is quite possibly true, but there are many other FACTS that show the last 8 years warming at record levels. Also, look at the record temperature of the Gulf of Mexico set last year. And we have continuing ocean level rising, which is a RECORDED FACT and can't even be denied at some monthly meeting of climate skeptics.
.........Also, we have recorded increased CO2 levels in the ocean and coral reef bleaching and kills. Also, we have recorded increases in CO2 in the world's upper atmosphere which is radiating heat back to the earth's surface. And we have animal species destruction and extinction at a record level. And the ash tree that was once (100 years ago) the favorite tree lining a city's streets.......is now being eaten by beetles and falling down in snow storms everywhere up north, approaching extinction.

UN IPCC official, Ottmar Edenhofer, said climate change policy is an illusion -- and it's all about global wealth distribution. But go ahead and eat bugs if that makes you feel better.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by sounding

Exactly, which is why "man-made" global warming is a silly belief -- but it is wishful thinking for many.

As a practical example - this summer in Florida is going to be a disastrous heat trap. Swelter away and pretend that it doesn't exist. It was recently 96 degrees in Hartford, Ct. That same worldwide HEAT is coming to Florida as we speak/type!

[sounding]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

As a practical example - this summer in Florida is going to be a disastrous heat trap. Swelter away and pretend that it doesn't exist. It was recently 96 degrees in Hartford, Ct. That same worldwide HEAT is coming to Florida as we speak/type!

The solution is easy -- just move North to cooler climates. We are still thawing out from the Little Ice Age -- get used to it. When Greenland gets warm enough, maybe the Vikings will return; but right now it still too cold to grow the crops they once grew there.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by sounding

UN IPCC official, Ottmar Edenhofer, said climate change policy is an illusion -- and it's all about global wealth distribution. But go ahead and eat bugs if that makes you feel better.

Well that's interesting since he is quoted as saying, "Regarding climate change he says: 'Denying out and out that climate change is a problem for humanity, as some cynics do, is an unethical, unacceptable position.'"

Seems like he may have taken exception to the cure (at least in the 2010 timeframe where your info came from) but he doesn't deny the disease.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by nick demis

CO2 and pollution are 2 very different things. The stats you show have been disproven by most climatologist.

CO2 does become pollution when it becomes excessive as it exits the exhaust pipe of US cars and trucks and the non-catalytic converter exhaust of the grass cutting, bad driving, bad parking and speeding social outcasts hired to cut grass in the TV Land community. And the non-converter exhaust of the gazillion belching Golf Carts that pollute our local neighborhoods. We also have noise pollution AND EXHAUST POLLUTION with the gasoline weed eaters and trimmers used by the so-called lawn professionals - and their chain saws. Noise and CO2 pollution together - a perfect wedding of harmful habits, a 2-for! Breathe in those fumes........suckers - that should be a sign on their trucks.