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Originally Posted by Guest
Ah yes, the TOTV Political Forum Constitutional scholars. What a bunch (otherwise known as the former Six Pac) these few people are!
Listen to Fox Noise and hear the pundits and talking heads. They know that the babies born in the USA to undocumented immigrants ARE US citizens by birthright.
I got a kick out of Rubio who said something has to be done about the pregnant women coming to the USA and having babies that are automatically US citizens - BUT HE HASN'T THOUGHT OF WHAT CAN BE DONE!
That quote was from an interview of Rubio and O'Reily.
So, save your blathering. Children of diplomats and foreign combatants are not subject to the "jurisdiction" wording but the children born to undocumented immigrants are - and they are US citizens just the same as the ridiculous former 6-Pac posters.
IF you can cite a Supreme Court decision that states that these children ARE NOT US citizens, put it out there.
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Really tired of all the innuendos here.....how about a real discussion.
There is an entire industry at some border towns simply delivering babies to women who come to these towns shortly before scheduled delivery.
And it is not just our souther border....
"The U.S. is one of the few nations where simply being born on its soil confers citizenship on a newborn. That policy has spawned a birth-tourism industry, in which pregnant foreigners flock to American hospitals to secure U.S. passports for their babies. Although the foreign couple can’t acquire U.S. nationality themselves, once their American-born offspring turn 21 they can theoretically sponsor their parents for future U.S. citizenship. Another perk: these American-born kids can take advantage of the U.S. education system, even paying lower in-state fees for public universities, depending on where they were delivered. (California is a popular birth-tourism destination because of its well-known university system.)"
Birth Tourism: Chinese Flock to the U.S. to Have Babies | TIME.com
This story in Time awhile back alludes to the Chinese...
"All of which has led to a proliferation of so-called anchor babies. At least 10,000 such Chinese babies were born in America last year, according to an estimate by an online platform dedicated to monitoring and rating confinement centers for Chinese women giving birth in the States. Naturally, a thriving business catering to these tiny foreign passport holders has developed. The Jia Mei Canadian and American Baby Counseling Services Center, with offices across China, charges between $30,000 and $40,000 to women who want to deliver babies in the States. "
This is not from Fox news and frankly you folks who constantly use Fox News and Tea Party for some sort of fun and games make a fool of yourself with that kind of stuff.
THIS IS A PROBLEM.....note the below is from last year.....
"I recently spoke to a person who told me about their profitable “concierge service” that involves helping pregnant women come to America to give birth so their children can acquire U.S. citizenship. She is not the only one offering such help. Apparently there are a number of “baby care centers” in the United States that offer expectant mothers a place to give birth to an American citizen child.
According to the person I talked to, prospective clients are sold on the notion that public education in the United States is “ free.” I know in the case of my own children who went to school in the United States as Canadians, we paid a huge amount of money for their education. As this person pointed out, having an American citizen child permits that child to acquire the same education at a much lower tuition."
Immigration: The Myth Of The 'Anchor Baby'
This is a freakin business for people....taking advantage of us.
Now..
"The matter was raised in Congress a few years ago, with legislators debating how this growing trend could be stopped. However, efforts like this have now taken a backseat to the issue of undocumented immigrants, border security and comprehensive immigration reform. The concern over birthright citizenship has also been raised in Canada by the Canadian Minister of Citizenship and Immigration, who has vowed to crackdown on the situation.
Instead of calling out networks or cacacuses neither of which makes any sense to me at all, how about we try and get a bit educated on this subject.
You folks seem to delight in calling names...heck, I am a dumb ********* old white man who is a racist and a bigot.....which, by the way reflects on your folks who say those things.
I am trying to find out how I feel so I know who to vote for....does not matter the party OR what network they watch or what, but guess what....if you do not read and learn, you will continue to make a fool of yourselves with idiotic comments referring to a news network or a group of folks in congress.
If I sound angry, I am....it is voters like you who screw this place up. Who will criticize our lawmakers but play into their hands by being so shallow and uninformed.
So for now, I am simply asking that people stop the stupid and inane name calling and actually find out what is happening so a real discussion can be had.
If you have the ability or the adult patience to read...read the below and it further complicates what we keep passing off as a name calling game...
"It should be noted that citizenship by birth is not as carte blanche as you might believe. I often see comments on stories that talk as if a person can come across the border, have a child and stay in the country indefinitely. That isn’t the way it works.
You may not be aware that the mere birth of a child in North America does not guarantee the child nor their parents the right to live in the United States or Canada, at least not until the child reaches the age of majority. Put another way, the family can be and often is removed from the U.S. or Canada, even if they have a native born child, because they do not have lawful status in the country. Some time in the future, once the child becomes an adult, they will be able to return to the U.S. or Canada, but that is down the road. It does not prevent deportation now.
Once a citizen child reaches 21 in the case of the United States and 18 in the case of Canada, that child can return to North America and eventually sponsor their parents to legally immigrate to the country of citizenship. As for education in the meantime, unless the child can show legal guardianship or custody by a U.S. or Canadian citizen that would give them permission to reside in North America, they will not be able to study here, either.