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Old 08-25-2023, 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser View Post
Putin's STATED ambition is to RESTORE the Soviet Union. If he were to succeed in that or the taking countries one at a time, the end result would be EXTREME problems for both Europe and the US. It is IMPERATIVE for the US and Europe to be willing to FIGHT for the FREEDOM that they have and ENJOY. If the US were to allow free reign to a Dictatorship like Putin's Russia, he would start gobbling up small countries along Europe's border like Estonia.
........Just as an example, Estonia is a VERY sophisticated, freedom-loving country that has prospered greatly from its protection within Europe and by extension, protection from the US. Russia is an avowed US enemy (Freedom vs Dictatorship) and in the Ukrainian conflict, it is a SIMPLE situation that it is better to fight Russia there and have them wasting their money and GNP there than on nuclear subs and missiles that can threaten us RIGHT HERE in the US of A.
.....Also, Ukraine has been trying everything possible to clean up any corruption within their country so that SOMEDAY they can get admitted into the European Union. Right now they have an existential crisis to deal with. I personally admire their patriotism, innovation, and fighting tenacity. We are learning battlefield techniques from them like their use of explosive-carrying small robotic boats. If Ukraine had better control over the sky by better aircraft, they would be dominating the Russian forces.
I wonder—what will be the reaction of the West when Russia drops that first hydrogen bomb and obliterates Kiev? Or Kharkov? Or Sevastopol? Ukraine has no known way to retaliate in kind. Would we just stand back and accept the consequences? Or does NATO respond in kind and throw a salvo of mushroom clouds at Russia, thus provoking something that we’ve known about and accepted for decades now.

“That” being M.A.D.

This isn’t about freedom. It never is. Oh, “freedom” makes a good rallying cry but that’s all, and if anyone thinks that the average Ukrainian had any more freedom than did the average Russian before this broke out, is delusional. This is about two things; power and survival; and in the case of this “war” that sums it up entirely. And that is why Russia will do whatever it takes to win it.

I personally don’t care if Ukraine and Russia decimate one another. But I certainly don’t want the rest of the world drawn in and destroyed because of an internal family squabble. It’s just isn’t worth the risk.