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Topspinmo 01-17-2025 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2402066)
They should be outlawed for BREEDING, and any pitbull puppies should be REQUIRED to be spayed or neutered before they're old enough to breed. It'd be great to see the breed die out, too many of them are treated badly, and too many of the well-trained ones are feared and hated by too many people who don't know any better.

Pit bulls are no more or less stupid than most other dogs. Chihuahuas have no use as a breed in the US. They were originally bred as a food source. And yet there are lots of those, and they're nasty, yippy, nippy little monsters.

Pit bulls are active dogs that require socialization, training, and human interaction from the time they're born. They require physical exercise. In addition, the term "pit bull" isn't even an exclusive thing. It refers to one of a few different breeds of terriers. Remember the old black and white show Our Gang? The dog Petey was a pit bull.

Petey was not pit bull according to this

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“The first Petey was named "Pal, the Wonder Dog" and was an American Staffordshire Terrier. He had a natural ring around his left eye that was enhanced with dye.

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The History of Pit Bulls - Love-A-BullPit bulls are descendants of the Old English Bulldog and the Old English Terrier. They were originally bred in 19th-century England, Scotland, and Ireland for fighting other dogs.
Explanation
Bulldog ancestry
Bulldogs were originally bred for bull baiting, a cruel blood sport where they would harass a bull until it collapsed.
Terrier ancestry
Smaller, quicker terriers were crossed with the larger, slower bulldogs to create a more agile fighting dog.
Bull-and-Terrier
The crossing of the bulldog and the British terrier created the Bull-and-Terrier breed. This breed combined the bulldog's muscle power and tenacity with the terrier's alertness, agility, and speed.
The American Kennel Club (AKC) does not recognize pit bulls as a distinct breed. However, other organizations do, and the term "pit bull" is often used as an umbrella term for breeds like the American Staffordshire Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, and American Pit Bull Terrier

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Modern Staffords are often confused with the fighting pit bull-types because they share common ancestors that date back to the early 1800s when pit fighting was a popular sport. As a result, Staffords are considered among the breeds with a stigma attached relative to the "chav culture",[26] and have been termed "status dogs".[51][52] Globally, pit bull-types including Staffordshire Bull Terriers have made local news for acts of aggression, but breed advocates have raised questions about the veracity of visual breed identification, and media hype.[53][54] News reports often treat the breed as one that attacks other dogs.[55] Similar breeds have been associated with bites to humans.[56]

fdpaq0580 01-17-2025 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ithos (Post 2402288)

2019 dog bite fatality statistics

The stats are about fatalities. Which is fine, but it doesn't tell the whole story. Anything "pitbull" gets reported. Not so much other breeds, and for many reasons. Like my own interaction mentioned earlier. If Max, the Labrador, had attacked anyone but me, the damage could have been much worse, with 911 calls, police reports, medical attention, physical and mental therapy, lawsuits and lives forever damaged. Once I got Max under control, I had my wife call the owner. Once she saw me, she thought her life was over. Max played rough, very rough. But he was playing, and I recognized it instantly as a result of playing with my own large dogs. Result, one report of a black Labrador attack was never filed.
If all dog attacks were reported, regardless of severity, we would see a very different picture than just the dreaded pit bull. Most dogs, and virtually all small dogs would be front and center. Like the pomeranian that bit it's owner because he/she reached for the dog toy. Dog bite, yes. Blood, yes. Pain, yes. Medical attention, bandaid and a whiskey. Report, no.

MollyJo 01-17-2025 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2401815)
There are some pit bulls around us here in this neighborhood. As long as they are on a leash with a healthy individual in control of them, I have no problem. Years ago in this neighborhood a very large dog pulled over its dog walker and broke her wrist and then killed a small dog being walked by another dog walker. This was not a pit bull but a much bigger pooch. Some kind of mastiff, maybe.

I Always carry a spray water bottle (in winter coat) as a first defense. If a dog approaching my dog aggressively gets within 5’ out comes my pepper gel. It works & we stay safe.

OrangeBlossomBaby 01-17-2025 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2402290)
Petey was not pit bull according to this

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“The first Petey was named "Pal, the Wonder Dog" and was an American Staffordshire Terrier. He had a natural ring around his left eye that was enhanced with dye.

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The History of Pit Bulls - Love-A-BullPit bulls are descendants of the Old English Bulldog and the Old English Terrier. They were originally bred in 19th-century England, Scotland, and Ireland for fighting other dogs.
Explanation
Bulldog ancestry
Bulldogs were originally bred for bull baiting, a cruel blood sport where they would harass a bull until it collapsed.
Terrier ancestry
Smaller, quicker terriers were crossed with the larger, slower bulldogs to create a more agile fighting dog.
Bull-and-Terrier
The crossing of the bulldog and the British terrier created the Bull-and-Terrier breed. This breed combined the bulldog's muscle power and tenacity with the terrier's alertness, agility, and speed.
The American Kennel Club (AKC) does not recognize pit bulls as a distinct breed. However, other organizations do, and the term "pit bull" is often used as an umbrella term for breeds like the American Staffordshire Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, and American Pit Bull Terrier

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Modern Staffords are often confused with the fighting pit bull-types because they share common ancestors that date back to the early 1800s when pit fighting was a popular sport. As a result, Staffords are considered among the breeds with a stigma attached relative to the "chav culture",[26] and have been termed "status dogs".[51][52] Globally, pit bull-types including Staffordshire Bull Terriers have made local news for acts of aggression, but breed advocates have raised questions about the veracity of visual breed identification, and media hype.[53][54] News reports often treat the breed as one that attacks other dogs.[55] Similar breeds have been associated with bites to humans.[56]

First of all - if you're going to copy and paste from an online source, you need to include the link to that source. Links, or it didn't happen.

Second - according to your own copy/paste of whatever that is, pitbulls aren't their own distinct breed but are rather a group of different breeds that fall under the general heading. And American Staffordshire Terriers, of which Pete was one, is often included in that group. And so - I am not incorrect. Pete was an American Staffordshire Terrier, and they ARE grouped into the collective known as "pit bulls."

BrianL99 01-17-2025 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Veracity (Post 2402203)
In my opinion, there is a lot to be said about how nature (genes) and nurture (upbringing) interact to shape canine behavior. My experiences have taught me to understand and respect every dog’s breed (nature). If I buy/adopt a border collie, just like its ancestors, it will be genetically programmed to herd. It’s very unlikely that I will ever be able to completely train that dog NOT to display herding tendencies. If I don’t live on a farm, and I am very kind and loving to the dog, and I never teach it or expose it to herding (nurture), under certain circumstances, herding tendencies will still surface and the dog will naturally chase, circle, and nip at a moving object (nature). It’s not that the dog “snapped.” It’s just doing what it was bred for. Everyone seems to accept herding behavior from the entire category of breeds called ”collies.” Yet many people deny that the category of breeds called pit bulls, who were bred to fight but raised in a loving home, have the propensity to attack, regardless of how friendly they appear.

100% right.

If you own a herding dog, it's going to herd. As you say, that's what it was bred to do.

It you have a retriever, the odds are, it's going to "retrieve", no matter how it's raised.

The town that borders me in NH, has a local ordinance against owning a Pit Bull and my Insurance company wouldn't insure my home if I owned a Pit Bull. The statistics support such a ban and prohibition.

Topspinmo 01-17-2025 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2402300)
First of all - if you're going to copy and paste from an online source, you need to include the link to that source. Links, or it didn't happen.

Second - according to your own copy/paste of whatever that is, pitbulls aren't their own distinct breed but are rather a group of different breeds that fall under the general heading. And American Staffordshire Terriers, of which Pete was one, is often included in that group. And so - I am not incorrect. Pete was an American Staffordshire Terrier, and they ARE grouped into the collective known as "pit bulls."

No I don’t you can look it up. Not that hard. Petey was not Staffordshire Bull Terrier. Which are considered pit bulls for short.

Caymus 01-18-2025 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Bwanajim (Post 2402283)
That is absolute bull****! They are no different than any other dog other than their strength and power of their bite. It all depends on how they were raised. I know plenty of friends with pits and they are friendly as hell.
Some of the little yap dogs here are more vicious



.....and Seigfreid and Roy did a great job training tigers (for a while)

Veracity 01-18-2025 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2402218)
A properly trained pitbull will not suddenly attack for no reason. It just flat out won't happen. If it's attacking, then somewhere there's a failure. Either there WAS a good reason for the attack, OR the person training the dog failed in their own training by not properly training and commanding their dog.

I think that you are delusional. First, if a "responsible" pitbull owner is ONLY someone who provides their dog the intense training that you describe and they are ALWAYS with their dog which would be necessary in order to ALWAYS be in command, there would be very few people (if anyone) who are able/qualified to own such a dog other than perhaps law enforcement. Second, I agree that there WAS a good reason for EVERY attack. The owner, however, will probably never understand that reason. It could be as simple as a child reaching for an object the dog perceived to be theirs, triggering the "bred-in" guarding instinct. It could be the natural sounds and motions of children at play that triggered the dog's "bred in" fighting instincts. It could be that someone made eye contact with the dog in a way that the dog perceived as threatening that triggered the "bred-in" protecting instinct. Or thousands of other unidentified reasons. Of course all dogs could potentially have these instincts, but not all dog attacks are as vicious, dangerous, and deadly as those that are so common with the unique "bred-in" jaws of a pit bull. I do not understand why anyone, even experienced pet trainers, would take the chance of owning a potentially dangerous animal and then give it access to children, neighbors, or other pets. They need to be held accountable for their dog's lethal actions, but for anyone whose child, loved one, or pet has been killed or mauled by a pitbull, there will be no way to find closure from such a needless tragedy.

OrangeBlossomBaby 01-18-2025 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2402315)
No I don’t you can look it up. Not that hard. Petey was not Staffordshire Bull Terrier. Which are considered pit bulls for short.

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From YOUR post, which YOU quoted from somewhere else (and you didn't even have the courtesy to mention where your quote came from so no, I couldn't look it up):

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The American Kennel Club (AKC) does not recognize pit bulls as a distinct breed. However, other organizations do, and the term "pit bull" is often used as an umbrella term for breeds like the American Staffordshire Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, and American Pit Bull Terrier
Pete was an AMERICAN STAFFORDSHIRE TERRIER. They are categorized as pitbull-type dogs, as are American Pit Bull Terriers and Staffordshire Bull Terriers.

That is from YOUR source, that YOU quoted. If you disagree with your own source, then find a new source.

Topspinmo 01-18-2025 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2402440)
From the Terms of Service Website Rules - The Villages, Florida - 55+ Active Adult Retirement Community Website :


From YOUR post, which YOU quoted from somewhere else (and you didn't even have the courtesy to mention where your quote came from so no, I couldn't look it up):



Pete was an AMERICAN STAFFORDSHIRE TERRIER. They are categorized as pitbull-type dogs, as are American Pit Bull Terriers and Staffordshire Bull Terriers.

That is from YOUR source, that YOU quoted. If you disagree with your own source, then find a new source.

Came from simple google search where else would I find it? Petey IMO and yes I can have one just like you was not cross bread to be fighting dog. As the information was from old England where they cross dogs to kill which when pit bulls reared their ugly heads. Point was now way to prove or disprove Petey was pit bull killer. He may of been pure bread Staffordshire terrier which can be somewhat more docile, maybe. Point is that breed notoriously known to mull anything they they attack to death specially when running in two or more packs. One hard enough to fight off full grown man over 200 pounds in MMA shape two or more nearly impossible unless you have weapon. Majority are not sweet lovable little dogs that won’t hurt fly. That’s been proven over centuries.

Topspinmo 01-18-2025 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2402291)
The stats are about fatalities. Which is fine, but it doesn't tell the whole story. Anything "pitbull" gets reported. Not so much other breeds, and for many reasons. Like my own interaction mentioned earlier. If Max, the Labrador, had attacked anyone but me, the damage could have been much worse, with 911 calls, police reports, medical attention, physical and mental therapy, lawsuits and lives forever damaged. Once I got Max under control, I had my wife call the owner. Once she saw me, she thought her life was over. Max played rough, very rough. But he was playing, and I recognized it instantly as a result of playing with my own large dogs. Result, one report of a black Labrador attack was never filed.
If all dog attacks were reported, regardless of severity, we would see a very different picture than just the dreaded pit bull. Most dogs, and virtually all small dogs would be front and center. Like the pomeranian that bit it's owner because he/she reached for the dog toy. Dog bite, yes. Blood, yes. Pain, yes. Medical attention, bandaid and a whiskey. Report, no.


So saying when some get killed by dog other than pit bulls it’s not news?

Taltarzac725 01-18-2025 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2402446)
So saying when some get killed by dog other than pit bulls it’s not news?

It would probably be very hard for a six lb Chihuahua to kill anyone no matter what his or her size. Pit bulls can and do kill people.

I still think it is a matter of his the dog has been treated over its life rather than genetics.

fdpaq0580 01-18-2025 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Caymus (Post 2402329)
.....and Seigfreid and Roy did a great job training tigers (for a while)

😃😁😆🤣😂 Now THAT is funny! Love it!

fdpaq0580 01-18-2025 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2402445)
Came from simple google search where else would I find it? Petey IMO and yes I can have one just like you was not cross bread to be fighting dog. As the information was from old England where they cross dogs to kill which when pit bulls reared their ugly heads. Point was now way to prove or disprove Petey was pit bull killer. He may of been pure bread Staffordshire terrier which can be somewhat more docile, maybe. Point is that breed notoriously known to mull anything they they attack to death specially when running in two or more packs. One hard enough to fight off full grown man over 200 pounds in MMA shape two or more nearly impossible unless you have weapon. Majority are not sweet lovable little dogs that won’t hurt fly. That’s been proven over centuries.

Maul. Mull is what you do with wine.

fdpaq0580 01-18-2025 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2402446)
So saying when some get killed by dog other than pit bulls it’s not news?

No! You read but do not comprehend.
My point is that not all dog attacks are not reported. Attacks don't always end in fatalities. Some, fortunately, may end with nothing more than a piece of torn clothing. Others may be detered by defensive action, weapon or barrier. What big, strong, manly man wants to report that he is frightened by the menacing, ankle biting Pekingese. I would guess that most dog bites/attacks are never reported simply because "it isn't worth the trouble".
Understand now?

OrangeBlossomBaby 01-18-2025 12:39 PM

From Pit bull - Wikipedia :

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Pit bull is an umbrella term for several types of dog believed to have descended from bull and terriers. In the United States, the term is usually considered to include the American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, American Bully, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, and sometimes the American Bulldog, along with any crossbred dog that shares certain physical characteristics with these breeds.
From Pete the Pup - Wikipedia

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Pete the Pup (original, 1924 – June 1930; second Pete, September 9, 1929 – January 28, 1946) was an American dog actor, who participated in Hal Roach's Our Gang comedies (later known as The Little Rascals) during the 1930s, otherwise known as "Pete, the dog with the ring around his eye", or simply "Petey". The original Pete (sired by "Tudor's Black Jack") was a UKC registered American Staffordshire Terrier named "Pal, the Wonder Dog",[1][2][3][4] and had a natural ring almost completely around his left eye; dye was used to complete the circle. The second Pete was an American Pitbull Terrier named Lucenay’s Peter.[5] He was well known for having a circled eye which was added by Hollywood make-up artist Max Factor[6] and credited as an oddity in Ripley's Believe It or Not.
from American Pit Bull Terrier - Wikipedia

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Despite the colloquial use of the term "pit bull" to encompass a whole category of dogs and the legal use of the term to include several breeds in legislation, some conservative professional breeders of the American Pit Bull Terrier as well as some experts and supporters claim that historically the APBT is the only true "pit bull" and the only breed that should be denominated as such.[6][7][8][9]
See those links? Those are links. I (and other people who accept responsibility for quoting source material) use them to source our material.

Pete was a pitbull. The original Pete was an American Staffordshire Terrier, which was included in the broad category of "pit bull" dogs and is still included in that category by many municipalities for animal law enforcement purposes, and by some dog breed organizations. The second Pete was an American Pit Bull Terrier and was a pit bull by ALL standards.

fdpaq0580 01-18-2025 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2402487)
From Pit bull - Wikipedia :



From Pete the Pup - Wikipedia



from American Pit Bull Terrier - Wikipedia



See those links? Those are links. I (and other people who accept responsibility for quoting source material) use them to source our material.

Pete was a pitbull. The original Pete was an American Staffordshire Terrier, which was included in the broad category of "pit bull" dogs and is still included in that category by many municipalities for animal law enforcement purposes, and by some dog breed organizations. The second Pete was an American Pit Bull Terrier and was a pit bull by ALL standards.

Whatever! Petey (collectively) deserves a star, or several stars, on Hollywood's Walk of Fame.


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