as time passes & you are here reading, you will learn certain subjects are taboo. in some cases it refers to another media site with less class & low decorum, by allowing posters to run amok. sooner or later you WILL run into the media site, & you will know it when you get there, lol

I have been a Greyhound man most of my dog keeping days. Bred them, and raced them.
So lazy, sleep 16+ hours a day, sociable, and a real pleasure to walk.
Until.
Something small moves!
Then, in most/many cases the genes kick in, and they want to go. Seriously!
The chase is so inbred, that it is nearly impossible to get it out of them.
That does not mean they all want a 'kill' at the end, for most, it's just the fun of the chase.
I had an old arthritic bitch who was grey in the face, and struggled to raise a walk towards the end, but see something move in front of her, the old ears still went straight up!
I believe you can train most dogs to be sociable animals, but inherent characteristics could still come out, if the circumstances are there to trigger them.
Most of the unruly dogs you see, are in charge of their humans.
I loved my dogs, but they all new they were bottom of the family pack, and it does not need any cruelty to get them to understand.
Just firm patience, and never letting them win an argument.
Worked for my wife training me as well, then add three daughters, and I was only one place above the dogs anyway!
JMTC.

This is a question for PugMom:

(A little off track — but not really. It’s a Nature question.)

PugMom,

I have known two pugs who lived together with some friends.

Those 2 dogs were absolutely joyous creatures.

As visitors, we always got the happiest, wiggliest greeting imaginable from the pugs, even though we visited only 2 or 3 times a year, so it was not like the dogs really knew us.

One time, I had left something in the car and after my initial welcome celebration from the pugs, I went back to the car. It took me not much more than a minute to get what I had left there.

Upon my nearly instant return to the house, the. pugs greeted me again with just as much joy as they had the first time.

Those pugs always made us laugh with their happy snorts and dancing greetings. Their owner would say , “You’ve been pugged.” :)

Are pugs always like that?

Boomer

Ah, any Tom Petty fan, well, you know….

Off topic, forgive me; one of my sweetest memories is the time hubby and I were at Golden Gate Park in San Francisco during an Outsideland’s festival and Tom Petty was a headliner (60 bands performed). I think everyone, and I mean everyone, sang along with Petty. He was the best! So miss him.

Domestic dog breeds are domestic, not wild. There is no "nature" in these breeds. It's all selective breeding (man-made) and training (nurture). Pits are not naturally "aggressive." They are naturally very active working animals and need handlers who will give them plenty of work - and activity. They ALSO need socialization, because they are not bred for socialization. Terriers are hunters; it's instinctual, it isn't their breeding. It is a natural trait in terriers to want to hunt.

If you neglect to give a pit bull enough work, activity, and socialization, it will create its own activity, work, and method of socialization. The end result will not necessarily be pleasant for humans. A pit bull is no different from any other terrier in that it needs to be kept busy within the context of its physical abilities. What makes it different is the physical composition of its jaws. When a wire-haired terrier bites, it draws blood, can damage your arm, but it won't hold onto your arm very long. When a pit bull terrier bites, it latches on and basically has a ratchet-grip on your arm - if you try to pull your arm away you could end up with a missing hand.

You’re stating that unless a pit bull has just the right attention at just the right time, it’s innate temperament will take over. You’ve made the argument for us that they can never be trusted.

When you talk "breed" and " instinct", that is nature. Breeding is human directing and using
nature to enhance or diminish certain natural attributes. Not exactly "man-made"
"Terriers are hunters; it's instinctual, it isn't their breeding. It is a natural trait in terriers to want to hunt". Sorry, but the fact that terriers exist is because they were bred into existence. The hunting instincts were heightened as a result of selective breeding. Each breed has been selectively bred to give it certain traits.

I thought all dogs were "domesticated" from wolves. Is that not true?

I would think there is a continuum between wolves and dogs. Not a sharp delineation of domestication. Some breeds of dogs are much more “independent” and others more “domesticated”. And it even varies in the dogs of the same breed.

No, I'm stating what I stated. Different types of dogs need different types of stimulation and care. A shepherd thrives on - herding sheep. Go figure. With a lack of sheep, it'll do fine if it can herd other things. Like people. Guarding for and caring for people, that's what they can do best, as domestic pets. A terrier thrives on hunting for things. Actual hunting - or just looking for stuff. Getting out there and chasing after things that run away. That's what they thrive on. If you don't give them that opportunity, you need to give them some similar stimulation. ALL terriers.

Retrievers - to the surprise of no one ever - retrieve things. That's what they do best, what they thrive on doing. They make great search and rescue animals, and terrific frisbee dogs.

Mastiffs are totally awesome for guarding large expansive properties and estate grounds. If you treat a mastiff like a lap dog (as long as he doesn't break your legs in the process) you should expect him to get really grumpy. And when a 150-pound drooling sack of solid muscle gets grumpy, expect your furniture to disappear - chunk by chunk.

Different types of dogs have different types of purposes - and as a result, different types of needs. If you try to treat a pit bull the same way you treat a St. Bernard, you'll end up with a mess. Just like if you expected your 4-pound miniature malti-poo to serve as a guard dog in your 18-room mansion.

Pit bulls are not lap dogs, they're not shepherds, they're not retrievers. They're hunters. They are domesticated animals, and have a lot of energy that has to be put to constructive use. If the dog lashes out, it's because the owner did something wrong. Or because someone intentionally ****ed it off.

Pit bulls are unreliable with powerful, murderous jaws. If you would enjoy one within your walls, that’s your choice.

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Pit bulls are not lap dogs, they're not shepherds, they're not retrievers. They're hunters. They are domesticated animals, and have a lot of energy that has to be put to constructive use. If the dog lashes out, it's because the owner did something wrong. Or because someone intentionally ****ed it off.[/QUOTE]

Exactly! They are hunters and fearsome guardians and all that power just waiting to go off, like a bottle of nitroglycerin waiting for some disturbance. Great dogs in certain circumstances. But not, imho, the best choice for a family pet in an urban or suburban environment. That bottle of nitro may never go off, but why take a chance?

People should check how long dogs have been around. Hard to tell how any genetic group will behave under various circumstances. There are probably trillions of genetic permutations involved with various dog breeds.

EXACTLY, the tiger "went tiger" though raised as a domestic pet. I remember the incident with the killing of the high profile college soccer coach, Dianne Whipple. Killed in the hallway of her own upscale condo while taking groceries to her residence. Said to have been one of the most horrifying homicide sights ever. It's been some time now, but I believe she was attacked by a pair to Presa Canarios "owned" by a couple in the same building who were both very well known, very high profile, criminal defense attorneys. They were keeping the (illegal) dogs for one of their criminal clients who was in prison on charges unrelated to dogs, but he was still running his illegal breeding farm in northern California, and selling of Presas FROM his prison cell in California ! ? ?

Those seem to be a dangerous breed. With probably a lot of in-breeding. Presa Canario - Wikipedia

Presa Demand Grows for All Wrong Reasons / Dogs wanted for killing, fighting

Tigers have not been domesticated for thousands of years like dogs have been...

Bad analogy...

please stop!!!! So childish, there are more people on this beside you. Ty

Agreed. Pit bulls were originally bred for two things: bull baiting and dog fighting. Their build and temperament was NOT a random act of nature.

But...bottom line...A breed that makes up a mere 6% of the canine population in America is responsible for fully TWO THIRDS of all human deaths by dog(s), as well as the majority of dog bite cases needing treatment. The pit bull breed is inherently dangerous. That is enough proof for me. As it should be for just about anybody.

Agree!

Actually I do not think that there are ANY domesticated tigers. A few have been tamed. And a few of those that were tamed had instinct take over and did in their owners.

Truth is, there is no animal (except maybe manatees) that are 100% trustworthy and safe for humans to be around. One has to objectively evaluate the danger and act accordingly. As a kid growing up in the wilds of Northern Minnesota we had a lot of pets: wild animals that had been (more or less) tamed and who hung out with us including deer, porcupines, skunks, woodchucks, hawks, squirrels, chipmunks, bears, Canada geese, etc. etc. But all of them had traits that made them, to a greater or lesser degree, dangerous. A "tame" squirrel can deliver a pretty good bite if they feel threatened, as my brother found out when he tried to stuff a "tame" squirrel into his pocket. One of the worst animal bites I suffered was from a "pet" shrew, a critter maybe 2" long. Bit my finger when I was feeding it a grasshopper. The finger as well as part of my hand was red and swollen for well over a week.

Dogs are no different. Each species carries risks to their human owners. A sensible person evaluates those risks and acts accordingly.

Please read the thread before responding. I have already apologized publicly for my actions...

No sure why you're responding to me, but I said the same thing about tigers not being domesticated...