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tophcfa 08-23-2022 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Lindaws (Post 2128809)
Darrell’s allows dogs there, unfortunately

Or fortunately, depending on one’s perspective.

airstreamingypsy 08-23-2022 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by njbchbum (Post 2128899)
The fact that "The dog goes up to people to be petted, the dog barks at people it decides it should bark at." is all the info you need to know that the dog is not a certified service animal!

Exactly, that's how I knew it's not a real service dog.

nordic tug 08-23-2022 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by me4vt (Post 2128770)
But it’s ok for people to bring their rug rats kicking and screaming to restaurants!

You’re equating human beings with animals. And therein lies the problem.

DDToto41 08-23-2022 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Daxdog (Post 2128597)
Don’t get me wrong I love dogs have two myself, just because you have a leash that says “service dog” doesn’t make it a service dog. If it was a SD the owner would not have to apologize for it coming over to me and sniffing my leg. A true SD would sit or stand at it’s owners side. No place in a restaurant.

About 10 or so years ago, my wife, daughter and I were at Bob Evens on 466. My daughter was a student in the University of Florida school of Veterinary Medicine. We had ordered our food when a woman came in and sat down with 7 other women. She had a small dog that she put under the table. My daughter went over to explain to her that Florida law states that animals are not allowed in restaurants unless they were a service dog. She got very belligerent an told my daughter it was a SD and it would tell her when she would get an attack. My daughter said she didn't need the dog since she had 7 other women there to take care of her if something should happen. She didn't leave but had the waitress move them to another table. The waitress was probably instructed to not say anything to her but to move her away. My daughter is now a veterinarian and has 6 dogs of her own (she will not put a healthy dog down but will find a good home for it or take it herself). People are privileged, but if you did the same thing they would castigate you for it.

JMintzer 08-23-2022 01:48 PM

Not worth it///

Berwin 08-23-2022 01:57 PM

I lived in Germany for four years (Army) and visited short-term many other times (TDY). Dogs were almost always welcome in any eating establishment. Sometimes dogs were but children weren't.

Keefelane66 08-23-2022 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BigSteph (Post 2128716)
Two Friday's ago, my family visited Piezannos at Lake Deaton and out comes a patron with his wee dog on a leash. No Service Dog indicator, just a privileged senior on one end and a spoiled dog on the other.

Everyone in my party made the same set of comments "hope it didn't do its business in my booth" or "I hope it didn't pee on the chairs", etc.

We tend to comment about the lack of mental strength and health of our younger generations. I say, guess where they go it.

It’s amazing how many EMOTIONAL support pets I see at restaurants but none on the golf course?

tophcfa 08-23-2022 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by nordic tug (Post 2128950)
You’re equating human beings with animals. And therein lies the problem.

Your correct there, no comparison. Our Border Collies were/are smarter, more loyal, and more compassionate than most humans.

Kevinwitgen@yahoo.com 08-23-2022 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by kaydee (Post 2128759)
It is very much out of control. If you claim it is a service dog when in fact it is not you ought to be ashamed of yourself.

Give it a rest…. For the love of God!!!!!!

Lea N 08-23-2022 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Luggage (Post 2128791)
I am a lot more concerned with people who park in handicap spots and are not handicapped. Lots of people keep handicap placards Way beyond when they really need them also and think it just gets them a better spot but for someone that has a true handicap it makes it a lot harder

This has always seemed so spoiled and rude when someone takes a handicap spot. Now that I am a caregiver to someone who is handicapped and we do need to use that spot to get my loved one in and out of the car it really ticks me off when people do this. I don't want to be put in the position of ever having to push my loved one in a wheel chair across a hot paved parking lot. Nor do I always want to drop them at the door while I find a place to park on a hot or rainy day. I once read on a forum (not TOTV) someone bragging about how they were able to get away with parking in a handicap spot. I wouldn't wish anyone to be in the position of needing a handicap spot but they are there for a reason.

Dlpdo 08-23-2022 02:50 PM

service dogs
 
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Originally Posted by Daxdog (Post 2128597)
Don’t get me wrong I love dogs have two myself, just because you have a leash that says “service dog” doesn’t make it a service dog. If it was a SD the owner would not have to apologize for it coming over to me and sniffing my leg. A true SD would sit or stand at it’s owners side. No place in a restaurant.

Quite common in Europe to see dogs in restaurants. Not aware of anyone getting sick or dying from this.

Mohawksin 08-23-2022 05:12 PM

What is a Service Animal?
 
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Originally Posted by PatriciaF (Post 2128777)
I do not live in the Villages but my two dogs are ESA. Both have red harness staying Emotional Support. Both have been certified as such and both have ESA cards I carry with me. But, there are people out there claiming such and the animal is not registered . They allow the dog to do whatever like a spoiled two year old. Service Animals are a necessity plain and simple. I do not take my ESA to a restaurant because I do not need Emotional Sport to eat. I have seen older females hanging on to their ESA dog for dear life or pushing the little darling throughout the eatery in a doggy stroller. No need for that.

As of this writing a service animal is a member of the equine or canine species according to ADA regulations. A service dog must be trained to provide a service to people that have a disability. An emotional support dog is a term that has little credence.

lmrk32 08-23-2022 06:29 PM

Dear Lord, help me. If you had ever truly loved a dog with your entire heart and soul you would know that every dog is a service animal. Stop being such a bunch of old grumps

lmrk32 08-23-2022 06:48 PM

Excellent and right on point

lmrk32 08-23-2022 06:58 PM

Congratulations to you sir. My daughter is not only a veterinarian she is also board-certified as a specialist in critical care. She would have never approached anyone to express her view because what is visible is not always the true story. And would you like to know why she became a veterinarian? Because she cannot deal with the fools that are posting here on this site. Animals are a very integral part to our mental health, to our ability to love and be loved and anyone who has a problem with that needs to self reflect

lmrk32 08-23-2022 07:34 PM

Very well said, very true and very on point. Thank you

VT2TV 08-23-2022 08:01 PM

Just curious , do you know of any places that support animals are always legally allowed to enter, and what type of animals are legally allowed to be considered a support animal?

JMintzer 08-23-2022 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Keefelane66 (Post 2128978)
It’s amazing how many EMOTIONAL support pets I see at restaurants but none on the golf course?

Golf is our emotional support... ;)

asianthree 08-24-2022 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by lmrk32 (Post 2129034)
And would you like to know why she became a veterinarian? Because she cannot deal with the fools that are posting here on this site.

Becoming a Vet, because she can’t deal with fools posting on TOTV seems odd. I would’ve hoped it was her love of animals, and the need to help them.
Calling clients who foot the bill at her practice “Fools” might want to rethink advertising $$

Luggage 08-24-2022 04:25 AM

I was partially handicapped for 15 plus years until surgery and I truly wish I had a dog with me but what I really want is for a lot more curb cuts at shopping centers and just a few more handicap spots that golf carters don't take up unnecessarily so I'm not really commenting about the dogs because I love them and if you don't like it you can always get up pay your bill and leave. Believe me is a lot more going on in the back of the kitchen that you don't want to find out about than having to worry about a dog

Luggage 08-24-2022 04:28 AM

There have been many studies that every dog is an emotional support and contributes to your mental health. And in TV you certainly need it here with all the whiners and complainers

Sandy and Ed 08-24-2022 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by kkingston57 (Post 2128729)
This situation is now out of control. Saw a couple outside of Darells and they had three small dogs with them and sitting on blanket. None of the dogs had markings showing that they were a service dog.

Brother's son had a real service dog and it was trained for 18 months and had to have certain criteria such as longevity temprament, etc These dogs are now emotional "support" dogs.

“Outside” is the operative word. Not inside. Dining al fresco. I don’t see a problem with that. Dog sits under table at owner’s feet. Inside? That is a “no go”!

Sandy and Ed 08-24-2022 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by me4vt (Post 2128770)
But it’s ok for people to bring their rug rats kicking and screaming to restaurants!

I agree. I am not trying to equate a human toddler with an animal but a well behaved dog sitting at an owner’s feet at a table outside a restaurant is more acceptable to my dining experience than an out of control child noisily playing havoc at the table next to me while I try to carry on a conversation and enjoy a meal

Daxdog 08-24-2022 07:17 AM

Difference
 
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Originally Posted by airstreamingypsy (Post 2128870)
I am a dog person, I love them, hell I like them more than people. That said, I think the ADA should certify service dogs, and the owner should be required to produce proof of certification if they want to bring their service dog into restaurants and food stores. I didn't actually feel this way until recently. A member of a group I'm in, has a dog who wears a service vest. He brings the dog everywhere. The dog goes up to people to be petted, the dog barks at people it decides it should bark at. The owner doesn't even discipline the dog when she barks at people, which happened in a restaurant last week. If there was some sort of certification, not where they owner has to reveal their reason for needing a service dog, but to prove the dog was legit..... things like this would be eliminated.

Don’t confuse Service Dogs to Emotional Support Animal.

terenceanne 08-24-2022 07:24 AM

If you are in such emotional distress that you can't sit for 30 minutes for bacon & eggs without your dog, then I would suggest you stay home - just saying.

airstreamingypsy 08-24-2022 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Daxdog (Post 2129124)
Don’t confuse Service Dogs to Emotional Support Animal.

I clearly wasn't confusing them..... the dog was wearing a service dog vest, and was inside a restaurant.

Catalina36 08-24-2022 07:50 AM

Pretending to be Service Dogs Do Not Belong in Restaurants or Supermarkets
 
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Originally Posted by Daxdog (Post 2128597)
Don’t get me wrong I love dogs have two myself, just because you have a leash that says “service dog” doesn’t make it a service dog. If it was a SD the owner would not have to apologize for it coming over to me and sniffing my leg. A true SD would sit or stand at it’s owners side. No place in a restaurant.

Pretending to be Service Dogs Do Not Belong in Restaurants or Supermarkets.
You Know Who You are, Leave your Pretend Service Dog Home. They Don't Belong in A Restaurant or Supermarket. Make a appointment with a Psychiatrist and Get Help.

lmrk32 08-24-2022 07:58 AM

Well of course she loves animals. She has a $300,000 loan for her vet school education $250,000 for undergrad. So do the math. Who encourage those kind of loans if they do not love animals. So please be assured no one is “” footing her bills “ Except her and I.

asianthree 08-24-2022 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by lmrk32 (Post 2129143)
Well of course she loves animals. She has a $300,000 loan for her vet school education $250,000 for undergrad. So do the math. Who encourage those kind of loans if they do not love animals. So please be assured no one is “” footing her bills “ Except her and I.

Like most in TV, our children also had grants, student loans. Their undergrad was on our nickel, but thanks to multiple schools offering scholarships, our cost was minimal. All went to med school, one stops counting after a million. Their practices include many older patients, while can be a challenge, have never heard on of them call their patients a fool. We tried to convince our grand trauma ortho will be older patients, but she thrives on a challenge.

Speedie 08-24-2022 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by BigSteph (Post 2128716)
Two Friday's ago, my family visited Piezannos at Lake Deaton and out comes a patron with his wee dog on a leash. No Service Dog indicator, just a privileged senior on one end and a spoiled dog on the other.

Everyone in my party made the same set of comments "hope it didn't do its business in my booth" or "I hope it didn't pee on the chairs", etc.

We tend to comment about the lack of mental strength and health of our younger generations. I say, guess where they go it.

Saw the same sort of thing. Child in leaky diapers was sitting on the seat in the next booth. Mom eventually lifted it up on the table where people will eat and changed it before they left the restaurant

Disgusting

JMintzer 08-24-2022 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Sandy and Ed (Post 2129083)
“Outside” is the operative word. Not inside. Dining al fresco. I don’t see a problem with that. Dog sits under table at owner’s feet. Inside? That is a “no go”!

Cue the "THEY NEED A PERMIT TO ALLOW THAT!" crowd...

swally 08-24-2022 10:29 AM

Service dog
 
A real service dog or certified therapy dog usually isn’t noticed. They’re trained not to be distracted.

Vermilion Villager 08-24-2022 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2128735)
Correct...

"You may not require proof that the animal has been certified, trained or licensed as a service animal. You may not require the animal to wear an identifying vest or tag. You may not ask that the dog demonstrate its ability to perform the task or work."

Can you show documentation to support this statement?

Johnsocat 08-24-2022 11:12 AM

Hmmm...
 
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Originally Posted by BigSteph (Post 2128716)
Two Friday's ago, my family visited Piezannos at Lake Deaton and out comes a patron with his wee dog on a leash. No Service Dog indicator, just a privileged senior on one end and a spoiled dog on the other.

Everyone in my party made the same set of comments "hope it didn't do its business in my booth" or "I hope it didn't pee on the chairs", etc.

We tend to comment about the lack of mental strength and health of our younger generations. I say, guess where they go it.

There are folks who feel the same way about toddlers....

Atamasco 08-24-2022 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by nordic tug (Post 2128950)
You’re equating human beings with animals. And therein lies the problem.

We’re equating mammals with little or no self-restraint

lmrk32 08-24-2022 12:55 PM

As you can see, I very rarely post on this forum. And this is the reason why. No one can allow you your opinion without an argument and addition your words are always twisted. When I say people are fools, this is a beautiful example of it. People who have never spent one day in vet school try to argue with her and tell her how to practice her profession after 12 years of school. If that does not make you a fool then I don’t know what does. In addition, financially you have made your choices and I have made mine. She could’ve gone to medical school and made four times what she is making now. However due to her love of animals which you would like to negate she chose to be a veterinarian. I am now done with this conversation, so no need to reply. Just one parting thought… It is a documented fact that people who cannot get into vet school will then go to medical school but I will not judge because you certainly haven’t! Lol

JMintzer 08-24-2022 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager (Post 2129241)
Can you show documentation to support this statement?

Read the thread, it's already been done...

JMintzer 08-24-2022 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by lmrk32 (Post 2129294)
As you can see, I very rarely post on this forum. And this is the reason why. No one can allow you your opinion without an argument and addition your words are always twisted. When I say people are fools, this is a beautiful example of it. People who have never spent one day in vet school try to argue with her and tell her how to practice her profession after 12 years of school. If that does not make you a fool then I don’t know what does. In addition, financially you have made your choices and I have made mine. She could’ve gone to medical school and made four times what she is making now. However due to her love of animals which you would like to negate she chose to be a veterinarian. I am now done with this conversation, so no need to reply. Just one parting thought… It is a documented fact that people who cannot get into vet school will then go to medical school but I will not judge because you certainly haven’t! Lol

Replace "vet school" with any type of "med school" and you have the same fools...

They show up with a ream of paper printed out from "Web MD" and proceed to tell you you're wrong...

That said, I'm glad she found her calling. Not sure if taking over a $1/2 million in student loans was the best financial planning, but good luck to her!

Bonanza 08-24-2022 05:07 PM

Oh, Yeah, Right! { ;>(
 
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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2128733)
That is legal according to the Federal ADA law. No documentation or proof is required for a service dog. No Florida law can supercede it.

But, I propose that Florida enact a law that, anyone dining in a restaurant when a dog enters, can notify the manager and leave immediately without owing any money to the restaurant. I think that would help to alleviate the problem.

Wishful thinking and it doesn't even make sense. You're dreaming!
You rarely see a non-service dog inside a restaurant. Outside on a patio -- yes, but then YOU have a choice.

Bonanza 08-24-2022 05:32 PM

The Law Itself is a Poor One
 
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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2128735)
Correct...

"You may not require proof that the animal has been certified, trained or licensed as a service animal. You may not require the animal to wear an identifying vest or tag. You may not ask that the dog demonstrate its ability to perform the task or work."

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Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager (Post 2129241)
Can you show documentation to support this statement?

That happens to be the law, albeit not a very good one, I will admit. Feel free to look it up.


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