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silvertoken 05-26-2013 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by bkcunningham1 (Post 682005)
Are you saying that people walk their dogs in this area and they don't pick up after the dogs? The dog parks in TV require you to pick up after your dog(s). That may be one of the underlying issues with your community NOT wanting to operate a dog park. Can you imagine a confined area with dogs unleashed running and pooping and the owners not cleaning up after their animals? I can't imagine just letting dogs poop against someone's property line and just leaving it there especially knowing that one particular spot can be touched by a small child. Sorry silvertoken, it sounds like you are barking up the wrong tree trying to get help from TOTV.
Dont underestimate TOTV there are plenty of good people in here, just give it a chance. A lot smarter and clever than you and me.

pooh 05-26-2013 06:51 AM
I'm so sorry all of this is taking place......trying to solve an issue with your POA and dealing with a neighbor who could potentially be breaking laws. If the child is living there for an extended period, that's one violation, if the owner is spraying humans with a hose, potentially another violation. If the child is reaching through the fence, handling things that shouldn't be handled, the parent and/or grandparent is allowing a potentially dangerous situation.
One question.....is the land the dog club uses Stonecrest land? If the area is a good one and all that is needed is fencing, why can't the club members raise money themselves and fence in an area? Maybe that has been suggested and rejected by the POA previously.

I'm sorry your group has to deal with such a situation. You are trying to be responsible pet owners and so far nothing has been a positive. I'm not sure The Villages POA can help, would help, how they could help. Hopefully the homeowner you are dealing with and the violations and bad behavior she exhibits, will be addressed by those who can take appropriate actions and a reasonable resolution for all will be found and soon.

bkcunningham1 05-26-2013 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by silvertoken (Post 682014)
Dont underestimate TOTV there are plenty of good people in here, just give it a chance.
I realize that TOTV is a wonderful forum and there are great people here. I think you are trying to get people from The Villages to complain about Stonecrest residents not picking up the dog poop in an area near The Villages' homes. I believe you are hoping that the complaints will force your POA in Stonecrest into action and will help to get a dog park for you and other dog owners in your development.

I'm suggesting you first look at the behavior of the people in your group with dogs. People who don't pick up their own dog's poop and allow them to use the bathroom near someone's property-and especially property where a small child can touch the dog poop-may not be the most responsible people in the world when it comes to caring for a dog park. Perhaps the POA notices this and is reluctant to operate a park for this and other reasons.

bkcunningham1 05-26-2013 07:00 AM
@Pooh, I don't have a dog in this fight but according to silvertoken, these people are parading their dogs up and down behind homes, letting the dogs poop near the fence lines and they aren't picking up the poop! I don't think it is the homeowners who are in the wrong here.

silvertoken 05-26-2013 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by pooh (Post 682015)
I'm so sorry all of this is taking place......trying to solve an issue with your POA and dealing with a neighbor who could potentially be breaking laws. If the child is living there for an extended period, that's one violation, if the owner is spraying humans with a hose, potentially another violation. If the child is reaching through the fence, handling things that shouldn't be handled, the parent and/or grandparent is allowing a potentially dangerous situation.
One question.....is the land the dog club uses Stonecrest land? If the area is a good one and all that is needed is fencing, why can't the club members raise money themselves and fence in an area? Maybe that has been suggested and rejected by the POA previously.

I'm sorry your group has to deal with such a situation. You are trying to be responsible pet owners and so far nothing has been a positive. I'm not sure The Villages POA can help, would help, how they could help. Hopefully the homeowner you are dealing with and the violations and bad behavior she exhibits, will be addressed by those who can take appropriate actions and a reasonable resolution for all will be found and soon.
The problem is the insurance company. As you notice insurance companys cherry pick the good States from the bad, such as hurricanes, tornados, and also dog bites. An average dog bite in florida will cost $60,000. It is among the highest in the Unites States. To insure a dog will be determined on breed. Some States will soon require all dogs insured.

bkcunningham1 05-26-2013 07:13 AM
Is the issue that you want a park where you can turn your dog loose, sit down and relax and not have to walk him?

Peachie 05-26-2013 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by mrfixit (Post 681982)
There is a power company a Right-of-Way which separates Stonecrest from The Villages.

This Right-of-Way is at least 50 feet wide.

This Right-of-Way does NOT belong to Stonecrest.

Stonecrest residents are TRESSPASSING when using this Right of Way.

Fence referred to as "your fence" is on The Villages side of the Right-of Way.

Said fence would therefore be at least 50 feet beyond Stonecrest property.

How would you feel if Villagers walked their dogs ON said Right-of-Way,
behind the Stonecrest outdoor pool.
(your pool near the corner of SE 176th Loop and SE 125th Circle.)

Residents of The Villages would not use this Right-of Way for a doggy bathroom near your community pool.......
......PLEASE ...........we would appreciate this Right-of-Way
not being used for a doggy bathroom behind the homes in The Villages.

Common Courtesy dictates that NO ONE should use this Right-of Way
for a doggy bathroom.

I appreciate your concern for your furry friends. :ho:
I do hope your dilemma can be resolved in an expedient and mutually desirable fashion.

Thank You...and all Stonecrest residents for your anticipated cooperation.


Isn't the answer quite simple? The right-of-way of the electric company is not zoned as an animal pasture, I would guess. Therefore, they have an obligation not to cause a health hazard to humans by allowing constant defecation and urination next to homes due to inattentiveness on their part. Perhaps threatened legal action against the electric company would create the needed fence line on the Stonecrest side of the right-of-way and create the area under the power lines as a no-man's land, which it should be.

Golfingnut 05-26-2013 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by silvertoken (Post 682021)
The problem is the insurance company. As you notice insurance companys cherry pick the good States from the bad, such as hurricanes, tornados, and also dog bites. An average dog bite in florida will cost $60,000. It is among the highest in the Unites States. To insure a dog will be determined on breed. Some States will soon require all dogs insured. A dog park is a major problem and needs monitoring at all times. This is probably why The Villages leases their dog park as what I am told by the POA. The POA is checking up on this with The Villages, so there may be hope but I seriously doubt it. After studying the many rules on dog parks this incident has come to my attention, and needs to be addressed. I'm sorry if this offends some, but I need help. Some will invent lame ways of humiliation, but I can handle it, Ive been through a lot of it so far, so fire away.
It is not your desire to have an approved Dog Park that offends some. In my case, the offense comes from your statements that you have formed a club that meet with your many dogs that you consolidate into a small area directly over the fence from residents. That being in an area that is not authorized nor approved as a Dog Park under Any CODE. Yet you talk about the home owner trying to disperse your group as the aggressor in this matter. I see the resident as the true victim here, not your group, and not the Dogs.

silvertoken 05-26-2013 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Peachie (Post 682026)
Isn't the answer quite simple? The right-of-way of the electric company is not zoned as an animal pasture, I would guess. Therefore, they have an obligation not to cause a health hazard to humans by allowing constant defecation and urination next to homes due to inattentiveness on their part. Perhaps threatened legal action against the electric company would create the needed fence line on the Stonecrest side of the right-of-way and create the area under the power lines as a no-man's land, which it should be.
Florida has different laws regarding this. There have been many issues regarding the radiation. As with power lines the closer the lines are to the power station the more lethal. That is why some States have a zone restriction.

silvertoken 05-26-2013 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Golfingnut (Post 682028)
It is not your desire to have an approved Dog Park that offends some. In my case, the offense comes from your statements that you have formed a club that meet with your many dogs that you consolidate into a small area directly over the fence from residents. That being in an area that is not authorized nor approved as a Dog Park under Any CODE. Yet you talk about the home owner trying to disperse your group as the aggressor in this matter. I see the resident as the true victim here, not your group, and not the Dogs.
I personally would not like a dog group gathering behind my house, being so close. This unfortunately is the only way I can form a club to get thing rolling. So far its been three months and membership is far more then I expected. As the rules state I need it to be safe, I'm failing at this unless I get the tools needed, such as a dog park so rules will be enforced.

silvertoken 05-26-2013 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Golfingnut (Post 682028)
It is not your desire to have an approved Dog Park that offends some. In my case, the offense comes from your statements that you have formed a club that meet with your many dogs that you consolidate into a small area directly over the fence from residents. That being in an area that is not authorized nor approved as a Dog Park under Any CODE. Yet you talk about the home owner trying to disperse your group as the aggressor in this matter. I see the resident as the true victim here, not your group, and not the Dogs.
You are absolutely correct.

Peachie 05-26-2013 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by silvertoken (Post 682033)
Florida has different laws regarding this. There have been many issues regarding the radiation. When I took my Ham Radio exam 30 mhz posed a threat. As with power lines the closer the lines are to the power station the more lethal. That is why some States have a zone restriction.

Silver, this isn't about the radiation... this is about the liability.

If that child is injured because of known activity allowed by the electric company on the electric company right-of-way, the electric company would be liable, correct? What liability would the electric company have if someone would twist or break an ankle from a small indentation in this area while having their animal relieve itself? The area should be contained and fenced by the electric company with no-trespassing signs posted, IMHO.

Rondosbullet 05-26-2013 07:42 AM
This area is behind homes on West Schwartz Blvd on the "Historic Side".
The homes have very tiny yards that go to the chain link fence that separates Stone Crest from the Villages. These are also mostly small homes.
The objection seems to be that the folks congregate behind the homes with their golf carts and lose dogs right against the fence which is practically in their yards. This can be quite a crowd especially when the Snow Birds join in. The conversations, laughter , barking dogs, squeaky toys, whistling to call said lose dogs, etc. especially around dinner time is more then annoying. And it causes dogs in those homes to start to bark in response to the noise which then becomes irritating to the home owners and neighbors. Male dogs urinate against the chain link fence which of course goes through the holes in the fence to the yards of Village homes.
There did not seem to be any objection when folks just walked their dogs there.

silvertoken 05-26-2013 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Peachie (Post 682041)
Silver, this isn't about the radiation... this is about the liability.

If that child is injured because of known activity allowed by the electric company on the electric company right-of-way, the electric company would be liable, correct? What liability would the electric company have if someone would twist or break an ankle from a small indentation in this area while having their animal relieve itself? The area should be contained and fenced by the electric company with no-trespassing signs posted, IMHO.
Stonecrest may be liable I believe.

silvertoken 05-26-2013 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Rondosbullet (Post 682043)
This area is behind homes on West Schwartz Blvd on the "Historic Side".
The homes have very tiny yards that go to the chain link fence that separates Stone Crest from the Villages. These are also mostly small homes.
The objection seems to be that the folks congregate behind the homes with their golf carts and lose dogs right against the fence which is practically in their yards. This can be quite a crowd especially when the Snow Birds join in. The conversations, laughter , barking dogs, squeaky toys, whistling to call said lose dogs, etc. especially around dinner time is more then annoying. And it causes dogs in those homes to start to bark in response to the noise which then becomes irritating to the home owners and neighbors. Male dogs urinate against the chain link fence which of course goes through the holes in the fence to the yards of Village homes.
There did not seem to be any objection when folks just walked their dogs there.
I have personally asked permission to the homeowners and some are very pleased to have our group. Please understand the reason is shade. Trees are abundent along the fence line.

JB in TV 05-26-2013 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Rondosbullet (Post 682043)
This area is behind homes on West Schwartz Blvd on the "Historic Side".
The homes have very tiny yards that go to the chain link fence that separates Stone Crest from the Villages. These are also mostly small homes.
The objection seems to be that the folks congregate behind the homes with their golf carts and lose dogs right against the fence which is practically in their yards. This can be quite a crowd especially when the Snow Birds join in. The conversations, laughter , barking dogs, squeaky toys, whistling to call said lose dogs, etc. especially around dinner time is more then annoying. And it causes dogs in those homes to start to bark in response to the noise which then becomes irritating to the home owners and neighbors. Male dogs urinate against the chain link fence which of course goes through the holes in the fence to the yards of Village homes.
There did not seem to be any objection when folks just walked their dogs there.
I hesitate to get involved in this thread, but...

As I see this...Silvertoken has tried to create a reason (harazrd?) to force Stonecrest to decide to create a dog park for his club...And is asking for TOTV help in this quest. What other reason would there be for this club to congregate behind these homes?

bkcunningham1 05-26-2013 08:01 AM
Silvertoken, why don't you walk your dogs on your own properties until you get this resolved? Or why not join the Doggie Doo Run in Oxford or the dog park off of Rolling Acres?

There are many solutions that don't involve allowing your dogs to use the bathroom against someone's property. I agree with others who have said the victims in this are the property owners in The Villages who are subjected to your dogs against their back fence line.

Why not take turns walking your dogs in each club member's yard? If two or three of you are neighbors, you could have a big area to walk the dogs.

silvertoken 05-26-2013 08:02 AM
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Attachment 14605 My proposed area would be away from homes and out of sight. As shown on this map is the site I proposed. No harm to the residence, or the dogs

silvertoken 05-26-2013 08:06 AM
[quote=bkcunningham1;682051]Silvertoken, why don't you walk your dogs on your own properties until you get this resolved? Or why not join the Doggie Doo Run in Oxford or the dog park off of Rolling Acres?

There are many solutions that don't involve allowing your dogs to use the bathroom against someone's property. I agree with others who have said the victims in this are the property owners in The Villages who are subjected to your dogs against their back fence line.
. It has parking, water and bathrooms nearby and is acceptable by the POA.

bkcunningham1 05-26-2013 08:17 AM
Really? This is interesting, silvertoken. You already have 50 dogs and some 80 people involved. How many more do you need? And your POA has approved your club walking the dogs along the fence line of the residents of The Villages?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo2F5Po4kN8]My Video - YouTube[/ame]

silvertoken 05-26-2013 08:19 AM
I need to do this somewhere on Stonecrest Property, indeed I was mistaken.

gomoho 05-26-2013 08:23 AM
If you have never been to a dog park and seen the interaction between the dogs and owners you would think walking them in someone's yard might be feasible. A dog park is a wonderful experience for the pets and their owners and really can't be beat if done correctly.

I am totally confused by this thread. We have a group of Stonecrest folks using an electric company right away as a place for their dogs to play, pee and poop. And then to add fuel to the fire we have a 3 year old (still in diapers)? living in The Villages and playing in dog poop. You can't make this stuff up!!!! Oh yeah, and some Villager hosing down the dog owners in a mad rage!

Golfingnut 05-26-2013 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by gomoho (Post 682063)
If you have never been to a dog park and seen the interaction between the dogs and owners you would think walking them in someone's yard might be feasible. A dog park is a wonderful experience for the pets and their owners and really can't be beat if done correctly.

I am totally confused by this thread. We have a group of Stonecrest folks using an electric company right away as a place for their dogs to play, pee and poop. And then to add fuel to the fire we have a 3 year old (still in diapers)? living in The Villages and playing in dog poop. You can't make this stuff up!!!! Oh yeah, and some Villager hosing down the dog owners in a mad rage!
I agree, this may be just a troll having fun as nothing tracks as being sensible.

bkcunningham1 05-26-2013 08:28 AM
The story has more twists than a Chubby Checker convention.

silvertoken 05-26-2013 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Golfingnut (Post 682065)
I agree, this may be just a troll having fun as nothing tracks as being sensible.
Sorry you feel that way.

silvertoken 05-26-2013 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by bkcunningham1 (Post 682068)
The story has more twists than a Chubby Checker convention.
I like Chubby.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 05-26-2013 08:33 AM
The way to get Stonecrest to move on this is for all the dog owners to move to The Villages.

silvertoken 05-26-2013 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 682072)
The way to get Stonecrest to move on this is for all the dog owners to move to The Villages.
I was thinking Winter Park, a great place for dog owners.

Bogie Shooter 05-26-2013 08:53 AM
Does Stonecrest have a Blog?
Where is EDV on this one?

Admin there may be an opportunity there for a new TOSC.

mulligan 05-26-2013 08:55 AM
This has got to be the strangest thread I've ever seen.

jane032657 05-26-2013 08:57 AM
We pay $30 a month and take our dog to Doggie Doo Run on County Road 101. My husband gets up and out by 7 am, loads the two dogs, they run and run and run in a secure acreage private dog park, and then he brings them home and they sleep all day. A perfect solution, take the dogs for a ride, pay your dues, and watch your dogs have a great time. A dog park for dogs, a separate area for small dogs, a dog bath available. And you put flags where they poop and the staff clean up throughout the day. What could be better?

redwitch 05-26-2013 09:15 AM
Wonder if you could put up some sort of a barrier at least along the bottom of the fence. It would prevent a visiting grandchild from (1) petting dogs and risking getting bit and (2) putting hands where they didn't belong. It would also keep urine and defecation on the other side of the fence. Your TV neighbors might appreciate it.

Another thing you might want to consider is asking this group of homeowners to talk to your POA about their issues with the dogs being walked there, including the risk of some major lawsuits because of personal injury or property damage. Seems like maybe a reasonable discussion might help sway your POA.

Another slightly (?) nasty suggestion -- collect the dog poop that your neighbors aren't collecting and take it to a meeting. Let the POA see what kind of liability they are risking if a child gets ill because of this behavior (called an attractive nuisance in most courts). A dog park could have volunteer monitors that would require owners pick up after their dog.

Golfingnut 05-26-2013 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by silvertoken (Post 682070)
Are you at all able to view the videos I posted? Thats as good as it gets. This blog needs to be viewed at the beginning.
And I did watch it. I saw where when your folks were asked if the police had been contacted, the question was avoided. When the man insisted on an answer, he as told yes, but not officially, but someone talked to someone that new a police officer.

This is too bazaar for me. I am done with this thread.

teamC 05-26-2013 09:50 AM
Wow! The Stonegates Homeowners Assoc seems to be having a lot of problems with Stonegates builders, besides the dog park (which I can't believe is being ignored) there seems to be an ongoing back gate and pond issue with litigation.

Dick and Lin 05-26-2013 09:53 AM
we bring our dog to Doggie Run Run on CR101. Acres of land and room to run run run.

janmcn 05-26-2013 11:00 AM
One lesson to be learned from this thread is don't buy a house if you don't know what's on the other side of the fence. Today's pastoral farm view could be tomorrow's Wal-Mart parking lot view. And don't be lulled into complacency by the zoning. As we've seen on other threads, that zoning can be changed overnight.

Barefoot 05-26-2013 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by jane032657 (Post 682097)
We pay $30 a month and take our dog to Doggie Doo Run on County Road 101. My husband gets up and out by 7 am, loads the two dogs, they run and run and run in a secure acreage private dog park, and then he brings them home and they sleep all day. A perfect solution, take the dogs for a ride, pay your dues, and watch your dogs have a great time. A dog park for dogs, a separate area for small dogs, a dog bath available. And you put flags where they poop and the staff clean up throughout the day. What could be better?
I think that Silvertoken's posts are a bit confusing. However it seems to be a frustrating uphill battle for Stonecrest dog owners. I realize it's a bit of a drive, but Doggie Doo Run Run on CR 101 already has a lot of Stonecrest members. As Jane says, it's a great place. Only $25/month for one dog, $30/month for two dogs, what a bargain. Perhaps that's a solution for the Stonecrest group.

rubicon 05-26-2013 12:32 PM
This thread is "Who's on first"on steroids what a megamania dog poop story. God I am sorry I tried to read all the postsand now my head is swimming. There is something appaently being conducted illegally because otherwise this whatever it is would never have become an issue. Someone call a psychic to get this straightened out

Indydealmaker 05-26-2013 12:54 PM
Winning Thread!
 
This thread takes the prize for the most confusing I have read in the last three years! Seriously, some posters need to have their work edited prior to posting. They might be very pleased at the upgrade in effectiveness.

silvertoken 05-26-2013 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Indydealmaker (Post 682252)
This thread takes the prize for the most confusing I have read in the last three years! Seriously, some posters need to have their work edited prior to posting. They might be very pleased at the upgrade in effectiveness.
True.


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