Exit gates Duh !!

[Warren Kiefer]

Can anyone give me a rational reason why we have exit gates in the Villages??? We all know that the entrance gates are not authorized to prevent anyone from coming into the community, so does it make any sense for someone leaving the Villages to have to wait for a gate to raise to continue on their way??

[dbussone]

They allow time for carts to cross without getting crushed by cars and trucks.

[robertj1954]

Slowing down traffic and for the reason previously posted.

[njbchbum]

Perhaps to insure that vehicles are at least slowed down before entering the roadway they intend to travel once outside the area? We have all read the stories here about some driver's failure to stop at stop signs.

[raynan]

In most cases it's to slow you down before entering a roundabout (rotary).

[MikeV]

To slow you down so carts can cross. With the number of broken gates I have seen you would think they would put better reflectors on the gates.

[mrfixit]

To slow you down so carts can cross. With the number of broken gates I have seen you would think they would put better reflectors on the gates.

:agree: :beer3:


Do you mean like so many communities that have
installed the L.E.D. rope lights the full length of the gate arm....:wave:
.......(simply using Stainless Steel Ties.)
The electric is already in place to power the lights. :doh:

We see RED ones on EXIT Gate arms.... and .....
...............White (clear) L.E.D.'s on Entrance Gate arms.

They are lit up 24/7.

[DonH57]

I was under the impression the exit gates control the flow of traffic coming out on to the main roads like 27/441, 446, and 446A .

[njbchbum]

I was under the impression the exit gates control the flow of traffic coming out on to the main roads like 27/441, 446, and 446A .

And onto Morse Blvd and Buena Vista Blvd as well!

Don't the entrance gates control incoming traffic so as to slow cars for crossing golf carts? I thought carts crossed to the inside of the exit gates.

[Ooper]

I thought carts crossed to the inside of the exit gates.

Although I agree with you, not all gates have cart crossings inside them, some are on the outside. And not all gates enter into round-a-bouts.

[TVMayor]

Could it be the exit gate prevent drivers from entering in the wrong lane and causing a head on accident?

[RErmer]

All I can say is thank goodness for the exit gates...slows traffic so carts have a chance to cross!

[handyman]

Duh,were they here when you moved here?

[KittyKat]

I hate the exit gates going south on Morse just before 466. They should leave them up during the day.

[Bonanza]

In most cases it's to slow you down before entering a roundabout (rotary).

If that's the reason the powers that be give us, it's nonsense.
Nowhere else are there gates to slow someone down when entering a circle.

Why does everyone give excuses for the way people drive here.
There are lousy drivers all over.
Is it because they all eventually move to the villages??!?

[Bonanza]

Can anyone give me a rational reason why we have exit gates in the Villages??? We all know that the entrance gates are not authorized to prevent anyone from coming into the community, so does it make any sense for someone leaving the Villages to have to wait for a gate to raise to continue on their way??

The answer to your question is a big fat NO!

There is no rational reason to have gates and guards period.
Of course, there are those who will give you reasons, many of which are lame.
The streets are public which means that anyone can come and go and cannot be stopped.

We still have break-ins and burglaries.

It costs us over a million dollrs a year to have guards there, pay for repairs, utilities, etc.

[alzjr]

[QUOTE=Bonanza;851868][B][FONT="Comic Sans MS"][CENTER][SIZE="4"]The answer to your question is a big fat NO!

There is no rational reason to have gates and guards period.
Of course, there are those who will give you reasons, many of which are lame.
The streets are public which means that anyone can come and go and cannot be stopped.

We still have break-ins and burglaries.

It costs us over a million dollrs a year to have guards there, pay for repairs,

The gates have little to do with security and everything to do with safety. They are simply a choice for traffic control and no different than a stop sign meaning one must stop or a traffic light when red meaning one must stop or a speed limit sign meaning that is the MAXIMUM speed allowed or a yield sign meaning one must yield or a crosswalk meaning a pedistrian can expect traffic to stop so they may cross a street safely or a flashing yellow light meaning to use caution or a speed limit of 20 MPH before a roundabout to slow traffic to safely negotiate the roundabout.
Maybe several large speed bumps would be a better choice to slow things down!

[Paulz]

Security, license plates are photographed at exit gates. A car may enter TV and drive around for a while but in most cases exit quickly if they are involved in a burglary.

[cquick]

:clap2:yup, we need those gates, the way people drive around here. They do slow the cars down. Makes people unhappy sometimes, but it's a good reminder that it's a residential area.

[cquick]

I hate the exit gates going south on Morse just before 466. They should leave them up during the day.

I think those gates are to slow people down so that golf carts can cross to go south on Morse.

[Cathy H]

The official purpose of exit gates is to prevent suspicious looking people from entering TV by means of by-passing the actual entrance gate lanes.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

The gates are part of the communist conspiracy to overthrow our great nation.

[TVMayor]

Security, license plates are photographed at exit gates. A car may enter TV and drive around for a while but in most cases exit quickly if they are involved in a burglary.
How many burglaries have been solved using this security method in the last 6 months? Zero?

[Warren Kiefer]

Can anyone give me a rational reason why we have exit gates in the Villages??? We all know that the entrance gates are not authorized to prevent anyone from coming into the community, so does it make any sense for someone leaving the Villages to have to wait for a gate to raise to continue on their way??

Am I wrong, but isn't it true that in most cases there are no golf cart crossings on the outside of exit gates??

[Ooper]

I thought the gates were there to provide amusement on the district government website by watching folks going through them to see how many times they could be run into.

[Ooper]

Am I wrong, but isn't it true that in most cases there are no golf cart crossings on the outside of exit gates??

Most cases you are correct but there are some... Santiago gate and the Polo Ridge gate near the polo fields are just 2 that come to mind where the crossing is outside the gate.

[perrjojo]

Maybe there's something wrong with me but I don't mind the gates. They slow traffic and allow carts to cross the streets. What is wrong with slowing down a few seconds? I have never thought of them as an inconvenience. Traffic lights are unsightly and stop signs are viewed as a suggestion.

[memason]

The gates are part of the communist conspiracy to overthrow our great nation.

ha ha.....I think you might be on to something :icon_wink:

[Bonanza]

I think those gates are to slow people down so that golf carts can cross to go south on Morse.

In comparison, a stop sign would do the same thing,
and costs a lot less than a million dollars per year.

I do think that drivers here could be a little more courteous.

[Bonanza]

The official purpose of exit gates is to prevent suspicious looking people from entering TV by means of by-passing the actual entrance gate lanes.

Are you serious???
"Suspicious looking people?"
What do you mean . . . Someone in a tie and jacket?

The Villages is like any other place in the country.
We are a series of neighborhoods. Why is everyone so paranoid?
We really are no different than other towns or cities.

We are like Main Street, USA and have far fewer police issues than any other town or city.

[Bonanza]

How many burglaries have been solved using this security method in the last 6 months? Zero?

Thank you!
You hit the nail on the head.
You've said it all in far fewer words than I.

[Bonanza]

Duh,were they here when you moved here?

Duh!
Just because they may have been here initially,
does not mean that they will always perform a good or logical function.

Many things look good on paper but in reality, they may not work well.

[graciegirl]

Boy Howdy.

[PaPaLarry]

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn: Gee, we haven't had Popcorn in a long time!!!

[Bonanza]

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn: Gee, we haven't had Popcorn in a long time!!!

It might be a good time to sit down and enjoy about 10 bags or so.
That's how long it would take to read through all this nonsense!!!
:Screen_of_Death:

[graciegirl]

I think one should live here for at least a year and see a bunch of two for one happy hour incidents before deciding on this issue. It slows people down and inconveniences them...but....... I think they are a good thing, the gates.


Smile. You're on candid camera.


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[rubicon]

I do not know where the claims of $1,000,000 to operate gates comes from, heck it may be more or it may be less? I also do not know who has had the opportunity to be privy to police investigative reports to be able to boldly state that zero burglaries solved because of security at the gate?

One in my view has to look at the gates for what they are deterrents and an attempt at control entry and exits and lastly an opportunity on the main gates to be properly greeted and for visitors given direction upon request. The only way to be sure is to have a study conducted but then people would just refute the study anyway.

I could see how non-residents would object but why would residents? However, it would seem residents would welcome the gates because they produce more positives than negatives. there is one exception in my view the gate at Paradise. That should not be a gate but a wall.

[dewilson58]

[QUOTE=graciegirl;852541]I think one should live here for at least a year and see a bunch of two for one happy hour incidents before deciding on this issue. It slows people down and inconveniences them...but....... I think they are a good thing, the gates.


Smile. You're on candid camera.


I agree.

Can you imagine how many golf carts would drive out and get in the circles.

[Warren Kiefer]

duh,were they here when you moved here?
i have no idea what this comment means or how it is in response to the orginal question.

[TVMayor]

I do not know where the claims of $1,000,000 to operate gates comes from, heck it may be more or it may be less? I also do not know who has had the opportunity to be privy to police investigative reports to be able to boldly state that zero burglaries solved because of security at the gate?

One in my view has to look at the gates for what they are deterrents and an attempt at control entry and exits and lastly an opportunity on the main gates to be properly greeted and for visitors given direction upon request. The only way to be sure is to have a study conducted but then people would just refute the study anyway.

I could see how non-residents would object but why would residents? However, it would seem residents would welcome the gates because they produce more positives than negatives. there is one exception in my view the gate at Paradise. That should not be a gate but a wall.
If the Paradise gate was a wall, how would people get in and out of The Villages? By using any gate minus one? How did man survive when it was just a hole in the wall? How has life improved with the gate in place?

[perrjojo]

The gates in TV are very effective in serving multi purposes. One of the most successful ones seem to be irritating some of its residents. :024: :1rotfl:

[Rango]

Traffic control

[TVMayor]

Can anyone give me a rational reason why we have exit gates in the Villages??? We all know that the entrance gates are not authorized to prevent anyone from coming into the community, so does it make any sense for someone leaving the Villages to have to wait for a gate to raise to continue on their way??
We know the roads in TV are open to the public, how then can the sign at the Del Mar gate say Residents Only??

[red tail]

We know the roads in TV are open to the public, how then can the sign at the Del Mar gate say Residents Only??

I have often wondered the same thing. I have had visitors balk at that gate and go on down to the gate on rio grande taking them out of their way to find me! Who would a guy call for that answer Bogie?

[Carl in Tampa]

We know the roads in TV are open to the public, how then can the sign at the Del Mar gate say Residents Only??

There are "Residents Only" signs all over TV. The technical term for them is "Unenforceable."

You can put a "No Solicitors" sign on your front door. It can't keep people from ringing your doorbell.

:icon_wink:

[Bogie Shooter]

I have often wondered the same thing. I have had visitors balk at that gate and go on down to the gate on rio grande taking them out of their way to find me! Who would a guy call for that answer Bogie?

Scott Wilder, Head of Community Watch 750-8201.

[Bonanza]

We know the roads in TV are open to the public, how then can the sign at the Del Mar gate say Residents Only??

Many of the gates say "residents only,"
and I haven't figured out why they did that.

What it does do is confuse our guests,
leaving them to wonder what the hell to do and
where to go if they haven't been given directions in advance.

Truly one the epitomies of lousy planning!!

[Bogie Shooter]

Is anything right?

[Bonanza]

There are "Residents Only" signs all over TV. The technical term for them is "Unenforceable."

You can put a "No Solicitors" sign on your front door. It can't keep people from ringing your doorbell.

:icon_wink:

Carl -- you are correct on all counts.
But what's a stranger who is a guest to do when they encounter one of our "unenforceable" gates?
Break through the gate anyway?
It's a dilemma! In addition, it's an embarrassment.

[Indydealmaker]

Carl -- you are correct on all counts.
But what's a stranger who is a guest to do when they encounter one of our "unenforceable" gates?
Break through the gate anyway?
It's a dilemma! In addition, it's an embarrassment.

I advise avoiding "embarrassment" by informing your guests that all they have to do is push the little button. This works at all gates.

[perrjojo]

I advise avoiding "embarrassment" by informing your guests that all they have to do is push the little button. This works at all gates.
:BigApplause:

[Carl in Tampa]

I advise avoiding "embarrassment" by informing your guests that all they have to do is push the little button. This works at all gates.

:agree::agree::agree:

[Bonanza]

I was under the impression the exit gates control the flow of traffic coming out on to the main roads like 27/441, 446, and 446A .

Somewhere along the line someone has fed you bad information.

Exit gates aren't close to the main arteries you mentioned
and could not possibily control the traffic.
441/27 is nowhere near the Villages to matter.

[dillywho]

How many burglaries have been solved using this security method in the last 6 months? Zero?

You're right..Zero. Why? Because it is not a security method nor intended as one.

[dillywho]

Somewhere along the line someone has fed you bad information.

Exit gates aren't close to the main arteries you mentioned
and could not possibily control the traffic.
441/27 is nowhere near the Villages to matter.

The Villages logo bridge spans 441/27 so it is most definitely "near" The Villages. Can't get much closer.

[Ooper]

Somewhere along the line someone has fed you bad information.

Exit gates aren't close to the main arteries you mentioned
and could not possibily control the traffic.
441/27 is nowhere near the Villages to matter.

The gates entering Orange Blossom Hills are right off 441/27 and within just a few car lengths off the 6-lane divided highway. There are also gates off 466 within a few cars lengths. Just thought you should know.

[dillywho]

In comparison, a stop sign would do the same thing,
and costs a lot less than a million dollars per year.

I do think that drivers here could be a little more courteous.

Sorry, but stop signs would NOT do the same thing. When the arms are broken off the gates (as they often are), stop signs and cones are put out. They are blatantly ignored by many. Heck, they don't even bother to slow down much of the time, much less stop. Might be cheaper, but by no means effective.

You are right in the drivers here could be more courteous...as could diners, shoppers, etc. Just sayin':duck:

[Barefoot]

I thought the gates were there to provide amusement on the district government website by watching folks going through them to see how many times they could be run into.

:evil6: I think you may be on to something! Broken gates are quite common in our Village, both entry and exit.

[njbchbum]

Somewhere along the line someone has fed you bad information.

Exit gates aren't close to the main arteries you mentioned
and could not possibily control the traffic.
441/27 is nowhere near the Villages to matter.

So how about the main roads of Morse and Buena Vista Blvds and Avenida Central? Thank God there are gates there!!!!!

[njbchbum]

Most cases you are correct but there are some... Santiago gate and the Polo Ridge gate near the polo fields are just 2 that come to mind where the crossing is outside the gate.

Bridgeport @ Lake Sumter also has a cart crossing outside of the gates!

[Indydealmaker]

Bridgeport @ Lake Sumter also has a cart crossing outside of the gates!

And the crossing to which you refer creates huge cart backups due to the steady stream of unbroken traffic coming off of the roundabout.

[njbchbum]

And the crossing to which you refer creates huge cart backups due to the steady stream of unbroken traffic coming off of the roundabout.

AMEN to that!

[Trish Crocker]

It's really a scam for the developers to make more money. Every time you go thru the gate, a dollar is subtracted from your amenity fee and put into their pockets! If you go through more that 145 times a month...there goes your free golf!
Seriously, is your life really that hectic that you can't wait two seconds???

[rubicon]

If the Paradise gate was a wall, how would people get in and out of The Villages? By using any gate minus one? How did man survive when it was just a hole in the wall? How has life improved with the gate in place?

Hi TV Mayor: Do you suppose that hole in the wall was suddenly walled off and then because of a few, gated, was done as a lark?

Why is it that the vast majority of residents applaud the Developer's genius but then complain about the gate system? Did the Developer have a senior moment here?

And what does it say about people's driving habits who crash through these gates? Are they distracted? inpatient?

The gates are separated as to resident/visitors because residents have gate passes and do not need attention while visitors need assistance and perhaps directions from gate keepers.

The gates are a welcoming sight, useful and adds to our security

[perrjojo]

Hi TV Mayor: Do you suppose that hole in the wall was suddenly walled off and then because of a few, gated, was done as a lark?

Why is it that the vast majority of residents applaud the Developer's genius but then complain about the gate system? Did the Developer have a senior moment here?

And what does it say about people's driving habits who crash through these gates? Are they distracted? inpatient?

The gates are separated as to resident/visitors because residents have gate passes and do not need attention while visitors need assistance and perhaps directions from gate keepers.

The gates are a welcoming sight, useful and adds to our security

:BigApplause:
Some just don't want to be confused by the facts. When I was working people often told me , "I think......". My reply was always, "don't tell me what you think, tell me what you know."

I know the gates were not put there as a lark....they serve a purpose!

[TVMayor]

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[Indydealmaker]

Hi TV Mayor: Do you suppose that hole in the wall was suddenly walled off and then because of a few, gated, was done as a lark?

Why is it that the vast majority of residents applaud the Developer's genius but then complain about the gate system? Did the Developer have a senior moment here?

And what does it say about people's driving habits who crash through these gates? Are they distracted? inpatient?

The gates are separated as to resident/visitors because residents have gate passes and do not need attention while visitors need assistance and perhaps directions from gate keepers.

The gates are a welcoming sight, useful and adds to our security
Rubicon,
You are right. The gates are value-added. They are one of the many intangibles that have drawn us here and support property values that are based upon more than replacement cost and comps.

[graciegirl]

Rubicon,
You are right. The gates are value-added. They are one of the many intangibles that have drawn us here and support property values that are based upon more than replacement cost and comps.



Like he said............

[TheVillageChicken]

When a gate gets knocked down and I can drive straight through, I feel cheated.

[Warren Kiefer]

Sorry, but stop signs would NOT do the same thing. When the arms are broken off the gates (as they often are), stop signs and cones are put out. They are blatantly ignored by many. Heck, they don't even bother to slow down much of the time, much less stop. Might be cheaper, but by no means effective.

You are right in the drivers here could be more courteous...as could diners, shoppers, etc. Just sayin':duck:

LET ME OFFER AN IDEA TO THOSE WHO POSTED COMMENTS THAT THE EXIT GATES ARE A METHOD TO SLOW TRAFFIC. I WOULD SUGGEST WE DO AWAY WITH THE EXIT GATES AND REPLACE THEM WITH A NOT TOO HARSH SPEED BUMP. THIS WILL ALLOW A CONTINUOUS FLOW OF TRAFFIC AND AT THE SAME TIME DEFINATELY SLOW THE TRAFFIC.:BigApplause::MOJE_whot:

[graciegirl]

Thank heavens that the homeowners don't run things.

[Trish Crocker]

Thank heavens that the homeowners don't run things.

:pray:

[Indydealmaker]

Thank heavens that the homeowners don't run things.

I agree! Particularly the homeowners who apparently always get up on the wrong side of the bed.

[Bonny]

I must say this thread has been very entertaining !! :popcorn: :beer3:
To gate or not to gate, that is the question. :D

[TheVillageChicken]

I must say this thread has been very entertaining !! :popcorn: :beer3:
To gate or not to gate, that is the question. :D

It is a welcome distraction. I no longer lie awake all night fretting about the Stonecrest invasion.

[Ooper]

Bridgeport @ Lake Sumter also has a cart crossing outside of the gates!

Another one is at Bridgeport @ Mission Hills. There are actually many places where the gates are inside of the cart path. Doesn't really matter to me. What matters to me is when I go through a Villages gate, it means I am home!

[Bogie Shooter]

I agree! Particularly the homeowners who apparently always get up on the wrong side of the bed.

And finds a way for a negative post.........................

[pgc4340]

Can anyone give me a rational reason why we have exit gates in the Villages??? We all know that the entrance gates are not authorized to prevent anyone from coming into the community, so does it make any sense for someone leaving the Villages to have to wait for a gate to raise to continue on their way??
I think it is time The Villages did away with the gates period. They serve no purpose at all. One in particular that is dangerous in the one at Del Mar Drive and Avenida Central! The cars going through the gate back up into the intersection, the cars coming from the direction of the square toward the gate, pull forward blocking the intersection so that cars can not proceed on Avenida Central. Accidents waiting to happen, as is the same with the round abouts. People do not know how to drive them, people make right turns from the inside lane. We were hit broadside, the officer said it was definitely the other drivers fault, but he could not write her a citation because the circles were considered confusing. Another time, I was forced to swerve quickly toward the curb damaging my rim, because of another person making the same sort of wrong move. If The Villages feel the need for circles, then they should all be one lane.

[Bogie Shooter]

I think it is time The Villages did away with the gates period. They serve no purpose at all. One in particular that is dangerous in the one at Del Mar Drive and Avenida Central! The cars going through the gate back up into the intersection, the cars coming from the direction of the square toward the gate, pull forward blocking the intersection so that cars can not proceed on Avenida Central. Accidents waiting to happen, as is the same with the round abouts. People do not know how to drive them, people make right turns from the inside lane. We were hit broadside, the officer said it was definitely the other drivers fault, but he could not write her a citation because the circles were considered confusing. Another time, I was forced to swerve quickly toward the curb damaging my rim, because of another person making the same sort of wrong move. If The Villages feel the need for circles, then they should all be one lane.

Welcome to TOTV.
You must be more careful when driving in the roundabouts.

[DougB]

I think it is time The Villages did away with the gates period. They serve no purpose at all. One in particular that is dangerous in the one at Del Mar Drive and Avenida Central! The cars going through the gate back up into the intersection, the cars coming from the direction of the square toward the gate, pull forward blocking the intersection so that cars can not proceed on Avenida Central. Accidents waiting to happen, as is the same with the round abouts. People do not know how to drive them, people make right turns from the inside lane. We were hit broadside, the officer said it was definitely the other drivers fault, but he could not write her a citation because the circles were considered confusing. Another time, I was forced to swerve quickly toward the curb damaging my rim, because of another person making the same sort of wrong move. If The Villages feel the need for circles, then they should all be one lane.

Appears you may be speaking of yourself. Have you familiarized yourself with the rules?

BTW: Welcome to TOTV

[rdhdleo]

Hi TV Mayor: Do you suppose that hole in the wall was suddenly walled off and then because of a few, gated, was done as a lark?

Why is it that the vast majority of residents applaud the Developer's genius but then complain about the gate system? Did the Developer have a senior moment here?

And what does it say about people's driving habits who crash through these gates? Are they distracted? inpatient?

The gates are separated as to resident/visitors because residents have gate passes and do not need attention while visitors need assistance and perhaps directions from gate keepers.

The gates are a welcoming sight, useful and adds to our security

:BigApplause:

[Whatever]

Don't you geniuses who lambast the developer for putting in gates, roundabouts, etc., think that before any of this was done, traffic flow experts were hired and studied traffic patterns and safety? What makes any of you an expert of the layouts and locations of the roundabouts and gates? Show your degree before you put your ill informed naysaying into print in this forum.
The topic has been discussed and abused ad nauseum. IT IS TME FOR THE MODERATOR TO CLOSE THIS THREAD and stop the nonsense.

[Bogie Shooter]

Don't you geniuses who lambast the developer for putting in gates, roundabouts, etc., think that before any of this was done, traffic flow experts were hired and studied traffic patterns and safety? What makes any of you an expert of the layouts and locations of the roundabouts and gates? Show your degree before you put your ill informed naysaying into print in this forum.
The topic has been discussed and abused ad nauseum. IT IS TME FOR THE MODERATOR TO CLOSE THIS THREAD and stop the nonsense.

This and many, many more threads with the same opinions!

[CFrance]

Don't you geniuses who lambast the developer for putting in gates, roundabouts, etc., think that before any of this was done, traffic flow experts were hired and studied traffic patterns and safety? What makes any of you an expert of the layouts and locations of the roundabouts and gates? Show your degree before you put your ill informed naysaying into print in this forum.
The topic has been discussed and abused ad nauseum. IT IS TME FOR THE MODERATOR TO CLOSE THIS THREAD and stop the nonsense.

Not that I disagree with roundabouts, but sarcastically calling the people whose opinion differs with the "experts," in a forum designed to allow people to express their opinions, is wrong. And remember, it is the same "experts" who designed the mess on Colony and the golf cart path.

[Warren Kiefer]

Don't you geniuses who lambast the developer for putting in gates, roundabouts, etc., think that before any of this was done, traffic flow experts were hired and studied traffic patterns and safety? What makes any of you an expert of the layouts and locations of the roundabouts and gates? Show your degree before you put your ill informed naysaying into print in this forum.
The topic has been discussed and abused ad nauseum. IT IS TME FOR THE MODERATOR TO CLOSE THIS THREAD and stop the nonsense.

THAT IS STRANGE THAT YOU WOULD ASK, I HAVE A DEGREE IN CIVIL ENGINEERING OF WHICH TRAFFIC ENGINEERING PLAYS A LARGE PART. WHEN I MOVED TO THE VILLAGES, WE WERE LED TO BELIEVE THAT WE WERE A CLOSED AND GATED COMMUNITY. THE GATES WERE A PART OF THAT CHARADE. IN ADDITION WE WERE TOLD THAT THE ABSOLUTE BUILD OUT WAS TO BE AT 75,000 RESIDENTS. MY SUGGESTION TO ANYONE WHO IS IN A CRITICAL POSITION REGARDING ANY POST IS THAT THEY NOT READ THOSE PARTICULAR POSTS.:MOJE_whot::clap2::clap2::clap2::D

[Warren Kiefer]

not that i disagree with roundabouts, but sarcastically calling the people whose opinion differs with the "experts," in a forum designed to allow people to express their opinions, is wrong. And remember, it is the same "experts" who designed the mess on colony and the golf cart path.

you are correct!!! I already posted my comment that when you don't agree or grow tired of a subject, you do what you would if it were a tv program. Change channels !!!!i would alsy tell the critic that it is nearly impossible to do a traffic and safety study when the villages was only at a population of 20,000.

[Bogie Shooter]

THAT IS STRANGE THAT YOU WOULD ASK, I HAVE A DEGREE IN CIVIL ENGINEERING OF WHICH TRAFFIC ENGINEERING PLAYS A LARGE PART. WHEN I MOVED TO THE VILLAGES, WE WERE LED TO BELIEVE THAT WE WERE A CLOSED AND GATED COMMUNITY. THE GATES WERE A PART OF THAT CHARADE. IN ADDITION WE WERE TOLD THAT THE ABSOLUTE BUILD OUT WAS TO BE AT 75,000 RESIDENTS. MY SUGGESTION TO ANYONE WHO IS IN A CRITICAL POSITION REGARDING ANY POST IS THAT THEY NOT READ THOSE PARTICULAR POSTS.:MOJE_whot::clap2::clap2::clap2::D

You accepted all of that without question? And now who is to blame?

[buggyone]

THAT IS STRANGE THAT YOU WOULD ASK, I HAVE A DEGREE IN CIVIL ENGINEERING OF WHICH TRAFFIC ENGINEERING PLAYS A LARGE PART. WHEN I MOVED TO THE VILLAGES, WE WERE LED TO BELIEVE THAT WE WERE A CLOSED AND GATED COMMUNITY. THE GATES WERE A PART OF THAT CHARADE. IN ADDITION WE WERE TOLD THAT THE ABSOLUTE BUILD OUT WAS TO BE AT 75,000 RESIDENTS. MY SUGGESTION TO ANYONE WHO IS IN A CRITICAL POSITION REGARDING ANY POST IS THAT THEY NOT READ THOSE PARTICULAR POSTS.:MOJE_whot::clap2::clap2::clap2::D

Having a degree in engineering and realizing that pressing a red button on the gate to raise it should give rise to the idea it is not a closed and gated community.

Anyhow, between getting a golf point on rainy days, loud movies, and not liking the roundabouts and the gates - you could still make a nice profit on selling your house and finding a true gated community. Best of luck in your endeavors.

[Bogie Shooter]

Having a degree in engineering and realizing that pressing a red button on the gate to raise it should give rise to the idea it is not a closed and gated community.

Anyhow, between getting a golf point on rainy days, loud movies, and not liking the roundabouts and the gates - you could still make a nice profit on selling your house and finding a true gated community. Best of luck in your endeavors.

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[PaPaLarry]

THAT IS STRANGE THAT YOU WOULD ASK, I HAVE A DEGREE IN CIVIL ENGINEERING OF WHICH TRAFFIC ENGINEERING PLAYS A LARGE PART. WHEN I MOVED TO THE VILLAGES, WE WERE LED TO BELIEVE THAT WE WERE A CLOSED AND GATED COMMUNITY. THE GATES WERE A PART OF THAT CHARADE. IN ADDITION WE WERE TOLD THAT THE ABSOLUTE BUILD OUT WAS TO BE AT 75,000 RESIDENTS. MY SUGGESTION TO ANYONE WHO IS IN A CRITICAL POSITION REGARDING ANY POST IS THAT THEY NOT READ THOSE PARTICULAR POSTS.:MOJE_whot::clap2::clap2::clap2::D
And you are still living here??????????

[PaPaLarry]

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