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Carl in Tampa
07-18-2014, 08:28 PM
Dennis Prager gives a clear and well presented discussion of the Arab/Israeli conflict. The only thing missing is the historical basis for Arabs' animosity towards Jews as explained in the Bible.

I don't believe you can find one person in a thousand who can tell you the history of the area, which demonstrates that there was never an Arab state on the piece of land which is now Israel, or how the various Arab states in the area were "created" by the League of Nations breaking up the Ottoman Empire after World War I.

The area that is now Israel became a British mandate and remained so until the United Nations authorized creation of Israel, which was accomplished in 1948.

The video is brief. I recommend it.

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Bonanza
07-19-2014, 01:42 PM
Excellent, Carl!

An excellent history lesson that takes 5 minutes to understand.
Thank you for sharing!

billethkid
07-19-2014, 02:02 PM
well done, succinct and simply stated.
If more people took the time to see just this video they would know more facts of life there than have ever been presented by the media or our government for the last 50 years.

It should also define the impossibilty of the goals of the many politicians who think they are going to change that centuries old mind set.

And should add clarity to why there should not be a nuclear Iran.

Thanx for posting the link Carl.

Blessed2BNTV
07-19-2014, 03:01 PM
Thanks for Yhe history lesson. God has protected the Jews and pray they continue to exist.

Bonanza
07-20-2014, 02:25 AM
well done, succinct and simply stated.
If more people took the time to see just this video they would know more facts of life there than have ever been presented by the media or our government for the last 50 years.

It should also define the impossibilty of the goals of the many politicians who think they are going to change that centuries old mind set.

And should add clarity to why there should not be a nuclear Iran.

Thanx for posting the link Carl.

I find it interesting that almost 400 people have read Carl's post (as of this writing),
and that you and I are the only ones who have made a comment regarding his thread.

Interesting -- very interesting.

graciegirl
07-20-2014, 03:19 AM
I found this very helpful.

I think the link may have been a little circuitous and may be the reason people have not commented, or, people are afraid of making comments.

I know that I fear the radical Muslims wherever they are.

shcisamax
07-20-2014, 05:49 AM
I saw that video a couple days ago and found it amazing he could explain the problem in five minutes. I have had several discussions online since with people and was amazed how they could simply by pass the reasoning. There is a second video by ThePragerUniversity (all five minute videos) called the Israel Test. It speaks to how a person/country reacts to success and attainment. Some people want to emulate and admire; others want to tear down and are angry. Very interesting also.

BarryRX
07-20-2014, 05:49 AM
Very good post and YouTube video.

shcisamax
07-20-2014, 06:28 AM
This is a video that has s different point of view and also makes some very good points:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=682855851805542&set=vb.518947111529751&type=2&theater

Taltarzac725
07-20-2014, 07:37 AM
Dennis Prager - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Prager)

Prager has an interesting resume.

redwitch
07-20-2014, 07:46 AM
I'd say both of these videos are way too simplistic. I'm very pro-Israeli but it is hard to justify many of the actions taken by Israel in the past ten years. I don't think a compromise can ever be reached. Sadly, I doubt that even if Palestinians were offered good land elsewhere that they would take it and there is no way that Israel dare give up the West Bank or Gaza at this point.

I've been to Israel. I love the country. I've been in the home of both Jews and Arabs. These Arabs did not flee in 1948. They stayed to work with the Jews and helped create a new nation. They did not act like nor appear to be second-class citizens. They acted like much like most middle-class families throughout the world. This family told me that the Jews pleaded with the Arabs to stay and help make Israel a great nation. Many (most) Arabs said they would grab the land back the day the British left and the rest is history.

NottaVillager
07-20-2014, 08:03 AM
Thanks for Yhe history lesson. God has protected the Jews and pray they continue to exist.
And the Lord God said..."Those who bless Israel I shall bless, and those who curse Israel I shall curse."

Taltarzac725
07-20-2014, 08:17 AM
I'd say both of these videos are way too simplistic. I'm very pro-Israeli but it is hard to justify many of the actions taken by Israel in the past ten years. I don't think a compromise can ever be reached. Sadly, I doubt that even if Palestinians were offered good land elsewhere that they would take it and there is no way that Israel dare give up the West Bank or Gaza at this point.

I've been to Israel. I love the country. I've been in the home of both Jews and Arabs. These Arabs did not flee in 1948. They stayed to work with the Jews and helped create a new nation. They did not act like nor appear to be second-class citizens. They acted like much like most middle-class families throughout the world. This family told me that the Jews pleaded with the Arabs to stay and help make Israel a great nation. Many (most) Arabs said they would grab the land back the day the British left and the rest is history.

I am very glad you chimed in Redwitch. I believe there was a reason why Dennis Prager had to study a number of courses on the Middle East to understand it. He should go back to these studies.

The other YouTube also seemed too simple.

I would like too see a link to more realistic approaches to how this problem might be solved. It looks a lot like something we would need a Solomon to solve. Prager is no Solomon.

This seems to be a better discussion of the violence in Israel. http://www.vox.com/2014/7/17/5902177/9-questions-about-the-israel-palestine-conflict-you-were-too

Cedwards38
07-20-2014, 08:53 AM
This is a very complex issue with much bias on both sides of the conflict. If it were as simple as these videos present it, then it would have been resolved a long time ago. It is an issue that is clouded by decades of emotion, hatred, cruelty, and uncompromising rhetoric. I hope that future generations can find a way.

Taltarzac725
07-20-2014, 09:42 AM
This is a very complex issue with much bias on both sides of the conflict. If it were as simple as these videos present it, then it would have been resolved a long time ago. It is an issue that is clouded by decades of emotion, hatred, cruelty, and uncompromising rhetoric. I hope that future generations can find a way.

So true. Sad when continued conflict is the easiest approach taken to this dilemma.

Those tunnels though do look like a real tactical problem for the Israelis. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/20/world/middleeast/gaza-israel.html?_r=0

shcisamax
07-20-2014, 10:13 AM
You know guys, you might feel these videos are too simplistic...which in some respects they are...but frankly, they outline issues and are a primer to what goes on in Israel and Palestine which most people really don't know.
I recognize the bio on Prager is not as interesting as it reveals his bias. But there are valid points to be made.
I too have spent time in Israel on business and was actually rather surprised to see how arabs and jews work together and respect each others customs. Unfortunately, there would be far more chance to work out issues if everyone would stop throwing rocks at each other...a little self control.
All said, I am glad Carl in Tampa posted his video and I felt compelled to add the one that looks at it from a Palestinian point of view. Maybe instead of poopooing videos that offer differing perspectives of the same problem, albeit in simple terms, posters could offer their more sophisticated understanding of the issues to help people understand the totality.

Taltarzac725
07-20-2014, 10:22 AM
You know guys, you might feel these videos are too simplistic...which in some respects they are...but frankly, they outline issues and are a primer to what goes on in Israel and Palestine which most people really don't know.
I recognize the bio on Prager is not as interesting as it reveals his bias. But there are valid points to be made.
I too have spent time in Israel on business and was actually rather surprised to see how arabs and jews work together and respect each others customs. Unfortunately, there would be far more chance to work out issues if everyone would stop throwing rocks at each other...a little self control.
All said, I am glad Carl in Tampa posted his video and I felt compelled to add the one that looks at it from a Palestinian point of view. Maybe instead of poopooing videos that offer differing perspectives of the same problem, albeit in simple terms, posters could offer their more sophisticated understanding of the issues to help people understand the totality.

It seems that both Redwitch and I just said that these two videos are too simplistic to fit a very complicated problem that dates back quite a ways from when Muslim religious leaders started conquering other areas in the mid 600s. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caliphate

Then on the other side you have The Bible and a myriad of other sources for history.

I see Prager's take on Arab leaders as having the same as a few US leaders had towards the Native American tribal members -- "The only good Indian is a dead Indian". Prager seems to argue that Arab leaders want all Israelis dead or out of Israel.

The other YouTube portrays these groups as refugees with competing interests. Only if you paint them like that. I will bet that a lot of Arabs have Jewish friends after their long existence together as many Jewish people would have Arab friends.

Chi-Town
07-20-2014, 11:22 AM
Talk radio commentators dumb down their YouTube messages. Give me William F. Buckley's Firing Line any old time. No screaming, bashing, or disrespect. Just intellectual discourse.

shcisamax
07-20-2014, 11:40 AM
I think someone missed my point. Alas, I am off to work on my communication skills.

Taltarzac725
07-20-2014, 12:00 PM
I think someone missed my point. Alas, I am off to work on my communication skills.

I got your point but name calling and such as in these two YouTubes rarely causes anything but more diatribe.

Taltarzac725
07-20-2014, 12:03 PM
ISIS Already in Gaza Strip (http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4392/isis-gaza)

I found this very interesting.

kittygilchrist
07-20-2014, 12:06 PM
Carl, thank you, I wanted to post something about the current situation in Israel, but did not know what to say.
The video will come as a surprise to many.

Matzy
07-20-2014, 12:26 PM
Interesting post....... I recommend to read the book: "Lawrence IN Arabia", and you'll know what was the historical background between Jews and Arabs. It doesn't include the influence of terrorist groups.
But in case of knowledge of history: Recently I talked to visitors at Eisenhower Regional Rec.-Center which never heard anything about Eisenhower...... and today I found out that the name of "Lindbergh" is a almost unknown person in B&N bookstore. This experiences are hurting me, believe me - maybe that is coming up to me because I am a retired .......... t.....r.

Taltarzac725
07-20-2014, 12:39 PM
Interesting post....... I recommend to read the book: "Lawrence IN Arabia", and you'll know what was the historical background between Jews and Arabs. It doesn't include the influence of terrorist groups.
But in case of knowledge of history: Recently I talked to visitors at Eisenhower Regional Rec.-Center which never heard anything about Eisenhower...... and today I found out that the name of "Lindbergh" is a almost unknown person in B&N bookstore. This experiences are hurting me, believe me - maybe that is coming up to me because I am a retired .......... t.....r.

I found this article on Lawrence of Arabia and his influence on the Western leaders diplomacy very interesting. Guest Column: The Final Death of Lawrence of Arabia :: The Investigative Project on Terrorism (http://www.investigativeproject.org/4256/guest-column-the-final-death-of-lawrence-of-arabia)

kittygilchrist
07-20-2014, 01:27 PM
And the Lord God said..."Those who bless Israel I shall bless, and those who curse Israel I shall curse."

Pray for the peace of Jerusalem. They shall prosper that love thee.
Ps122:6

Carl in Tampa
07-20-2014, 01:32 PM
This is a very complex issue with much bias on both sides of the conflict. If it were as simple as these videos present it, then it would have been resolved a long time ago. It is an issue that is clouded by decades of emotion, hatred, cruelty, and uncompromising rhetoric. I hope that future generations can find a way.

It is that simple, and there will be no resolution as long as there are Islamic fundamentalists who believe that Israel must be destroyed. There is no prospect that the fundamentalist branch will disappear or moderate their position.

Surely everyone knows that multiple leaders of Iran have called for the total destruction of Israel. History has demonstrated the attempts at this destruction by Israel's neighboring nations.

Egypt's President Anwar Sadat signed a peace treaty with Israel and was subsequently assassinated by Islamic fundamentalists in his own army.

Various individuals who aspired to leadership of the Palestine population in the Gaza Strip, and who advocated establishing peace with the Israelis, have also been killed.

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When you have a culture in which the children are taught in their schools that Jews are descendants of monkeys and pigs; are shown maps of the region in which Israel is not shown to exist; and are told that all Jews should be killed, it is unlikely that future generations will be open to peace proposals.

Prager's video, derided by some as simplistic, is nontheless correct.

There are Arabs who want Israel destroyed. They are the aggressors. If they would cease their attacks on Israel then the conflict would end.

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Taltarzac725
07-20-2014, 01:55 PM
Iran (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Israel_relations)

The Iran-Israel relations look a lot more complicated than I had first thought. I would bet that if you researched this some other Middle Eastern states relationship with Israel would not be as clear cut as Dennis Prager makes out in his YouTube.

Rags123
07-20-2014, 02:49 PM
ISIS Already in Gaza Strip (http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4392/isis-gaza)

I found this very interesting.

Well, I sure hope that SOMEONE is paying attention to this.

Reports are that in November of last year, Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki visited the White House and actually asked for aid because of this threat.

This was further revealed in the testimony of a November appearance by an assistant Secy of State before congress.

Nothing was done.

Paul O
07-20-2014, 03:06 PM
Israel has wanted peace,but the leaders of groups like Hamas just wants the distruction of Israel.Hamas places rockets in the homes and schools of the Palestinians not caring if the residents live or die. What country other than Israel sends texts ,phone calls and drops leaflets on the homes that that harbor the rockets that attack their cities before they return fire?Israel sanctions life,where groups like Hamas celebrate death. Also after a war what country gives back land. Did our country give back Texas to Mexico.

Carl in Tampa
07-20-2014, 03:08 PM
Iran (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Israel_relations)

The Iran-Israel relations look a lot more complicated than I had first thought. I would bet that if you researched this some other Middle Eastern states relationship with Israel would not be as clear cut as Dennis Prager makes out in his YouTube.

Perhaps you can share the results of your research.

On the very day that the British occupying army left the newly created nation of Israel, every Arab nation that abutted Israel sent invading armies to destroy it.

That explains all that came afterward.

The Arabs lost that, and two subsequent wars, which they also started.

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Israel has twice given up land for peace; first the Sinai peninsula and second the Gaza strip. They still don't have peace. They also offered the return of virtually all of the West Bank in exchange for peace. The offer was rejected.

Dennis Prager's analysis is both simple and correct: Arabs want to kill Jews and obliterate the nation of Israel.

Any talk of other disagreements between Israel and other governments over policy are mere sideshows compared to the fact that Arabs want to kill Jews. These events occurred after the Arabs had tried to wipe out Israel.

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Nightengale212
07-21-2014, 05:29 AM
Carl, I am just about finished reading the kindle edition book Why Care About Israel ? written by Messianic Jew Sandra Teplinsky. Very interesting and thought provoking content which you may like. There are very detailed reviews provided which give you snips about the book to help decide if this is a book you would want to purchase.

BarryRX
07-21-2014, 08:18 AM
While these videos may be simplistic, they do state the one basic truth at the bottom of this conflict......if the Arabs would lay down their guns there would be peace. If the Israelis would lay down their guns there would be no more Israel. I fully agree with Carl.

NottaVillager
07-21-2014, 09:46 AM
compared to the fact that Arabs want to kill Jews.

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..And Christians..and homosexuals..and Hindus..and in general ANYBODY who isn't them and who doesn't think like them and believe like them.

Taltarzac725
07-21-2014, 10:34 AM
Perhaps you can share the results of your research.

On the very day that the British occupying army left the newly created nation of Israel, every Arab nation that abutted Israel sent invading armies to destroy it.

That explains all that came afterward.

The Arabs lost that, and two subsequent wars, which they also started.

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Israel has twice given up land for peace; first the Sinai peninsula and second the Gaza strip. They still don't have peace. They also offered the return of virtually all of the West Bank in exchange for peace. The offer was rejected.

Dennis Prager's analysis is both simple and correct: Arabs want to kill Jews and obliterate the nation of Israel.

Any talk of other disagreements between Israel and other governments over policy are mere sideshows compared to the fact that Arabs want to kill Jews. These events occurred after the Arabs had tried to wipe out Israel.

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Here's something that shows promise for the relationship between Jordan and Israel.

Israel-Jordan sign $500 million natural gas deal | The Times of Israel (http://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-jordan-sign-500-million-natural-gas-deal/)

Taltarzac725
07-21-2014, 10:39 AM
compared to the fact that Arabs want to kill Jews.


..And Christians..and homosexuals..and Hindus..and in general ANYBODY who isn't them and who doesn't think like them and believe like them.

I believe this should be SOME Arabs want to kill SOME Jews. The extremists seem to have taken over at times in the Middle East. There have been other extremists who have taken over various countries like with Italy, Russia, and Germany in the period between mid 1925 and 1945. I do not see anyone arguing that all Germans still want to kill all Jews. That was certainly the Nazi State's official policy but they also murdered anyone they believed would be a serious threat to their plans, or had them committed to mental institutions or took some other measure to make sure their voice was not heard.

NottaVillager
07-21-2014, 12:46 PM
The myth of the "moderate" or "peaceful" muslims. If there are such people you NEVER hear them speak out. And there are plenty of them here in the USA where they are totally free to speak out and no matter what sort of hate, atrocity or terror is committed the so-called moderate and peace loving muslims keep their mouths shut.

In fact when one of these people attempted to speak out (and I am speaking of the young woman who was invited to speak at Brandeis University) she was SILENCED. So let us be honest. Muslims WANT to kill Jews and they are given full approval by those who won't speak out. Because the ones who won't speak out want it too. They just keep their traps shut about it and let the thugs do their dirty work for them so their hands don't get dirty.

Taltarzac725
07-21-2014, 12:53 PM
The myth of the "moderate" or "peaceful" muslims. If there are such people you NEVER hear them speak out. And there are plenty of them here in the USA where they are totally free to speak out and no matter what sort of hate, atrocity or terror is committed the so-called moderate and peace loving muslims keep their mouths shut.

In fact when one of these people attempted to speak out (and I am speaking of the young woman who was invited to speak at Brandeis University) she was SILENCED. So let us be honest. Muslims WANT to kill Jews and they are given full approval by those who won't speak out. Because the ones who won't speak out want it too. They just keep their traps shut about it and let the thugs do their dirty work for them so their hands don't get dirty.

Common Misconceptions about Muslims | Encountering the World of Islam (http://encounteringislam.org/misconceptions)

I do not believe that is true by-in-large. http://www.examiner.com/article/islam-101-why-don-t-muslims-speak-out-against-violence

BarryRX
07-21-2014, 04:26 PM
From a French Newspaper about the Muslim riots in Paris this week:

The anxious Jewish community in the Paris suburb of Sarcelles was left picking up the pieces on Monday a day after being targeted by "anti-Semitic" rioters. The Local visited the town, where some French Jews said they were considering leaving the country.

Shattered glass, a handful of burned out businesses and the presence of dozens of riot police were the clues pointing to the destruction left behind by a mob of pro-Palestinian protesters who turned on the Jewish community in the northern Parisian suburb of Sarcelles on Sunday.

What began as a protest against Israel’s bombing and ground offensive in Gaza quickly turned into a rampage with the so-called "Little Jerusalem" neighborhood in working class Sarcelles as the number one target for rioters. It is one of the centres of France’s Jewish population, which at some 500,000 is the third largest in the world behind Israel and the United States.
In addition to the cars and waste bins set ablaze, several Jewish business were torched, including the Naouri kosher market which was the target of a flash-bang grenade attack in 2012. Rioters also tried to approach a synagogue, before being repelled by riot police.

At least one unconfirmed report stated the building was suffered minor flame damage from a petrol bomb.

As the rioters rampaged through Sarcelles into the early evening, witnesses told The Local they'd heard chants of "Israel, murderers!" and "Hitler for president!"

For the French government, Sunday's violence was clearly an attack on the country's Jews. "Attacking a synagogue, a kosher supermarket, it's pure and simple anti-Semitism, racism," said PM Manuel Valls.

The riot was the third time in eight days a pro-Palestinian demo has degenerated into violence. The first march on July 13th saw protesters attempt to storm two synagogues in Paris, before being beaten back, by riot police and Jewish militants.




The repeat of the violence left some members of the anxious and concerned Jewish community in Sarcelles considering leaving France.

“We’ve been thinking about moving to Israel for some time now,” Daniel Ullmann, 58, a teacher told The Local. “There is a part of France that is very xenophobic. There’s a part of the population that has no liking for foreigners.”

As he spoke to The Local a passerby shouted at him: “Go back to Israel!”, which drew only a sad shrug and knowing grimace from Ullmann.

Jewish people in Sarcelles like Ullman are concerned about what could happen next.

"We don't know if they are coming back. The troublemakers sleep during the day," said Ullmann. "We'll find out tonight."

He said for a long time life has been tranquil between Jews and the other groups that make up the diverse population of town, including its large Muslim community. But now Ullman feels it has once again become a “time of pogroms” where “Jews had better stay at home", unless they’re looking for trouble.

'Young people being manipulated into violence'

Sarcelles includes several poor neighbourhoods and sits to the north of a string of Parisian towns that make up one of the largest concentrations of poverty in the country.

Some observers in Sarcelles told The Local the anti-Semitic violence in France is being fanned by the country’s dire economic situation - with unemployment rates among young people hovering at 25 percent - as well as by Islamists.

“It’s young people, who’ve got no work and aren’t in school, they are the ones being manipulated into this kind of violence,” said journalist Andr� Nahum, 92, a retired doctor and a long-time member of the Sarcelles Jewish community. “It’s Islamists who are at the source of these problems, not just here, but around the world.”

He said leaving Sarcelles for Israel or elsewhere isn’t a solution because the problem is global.

“You stay, you fight,” Nahum said. “Otherwise you are just handing the country over to them.”

The anger the deaths in Gaza has provoked among the Muslim population in Paris’s suburbs is raging, but in Sarcelles a Muslim man who would give only his name as Jamel said Sunday's attacks were wrong and were not perpetrated by local Muslims, who the 39-year-old firefighter says get along with the Jewish community.


“It’s scary. We live in a civilized country,” he said while standing outside the remains of a pharmacy that was torched in the riots. “But it’s wrong, it’s wrong for kids to be killed by Israel. What are they going to do against the Israeli army? Throw rocks at them?”

Marc Knobel, from Jewish umbrella group CRIF also believes it's a mistake to blame the recent rise in anti-Semitism, sparked by the latest Israeli assaulty on Gaza, on Muslims in France.

Instead Knobel says the marginalization and alienation from mainstream French society has led to some youths in the poorer suburbs of French cities like Sarcelles, to identify themselves with the struggle of the Palestinians against Israel.

"It's difficult to determine who are the perpetrators of these anti-Semitic acts in terms of their religion," Knobel told The Local previously.

"The only thing we can say is that they are more often than not from poor suburbs in France and have been victims of racism and discrimination themselves. So they associate themselves with Palestinians and develop anti-Zionist and anti-Semitic views. Some are Muslims, some are not."

Whatever the cause and whoever the perpetrators are, the violence is forcing many French Jews, like Daniel Ullmann, to think about packing up and leaving France.

In May The Local reported that figures revealed 2014 could see a record number of Jews in France leaving for Israel. As many as 5,000 could depart by the end of the year. That has not happened since 1948, according to the Jewish Agency for Israel.

Rags123
07-24-2014, 10:42 AM
And then this from the Supreme Ruler of Iran.....a country that the USA is presently in extended negotiations....

"Iran�s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, stated on Wednesday that the only solution for the region is the destruction of Israel, and that the armed confrontation must expand beyond Gaza.

Meanwhile, revolutionary guards announced new missiles which could destroy Israel�s Iron Dome missile defense system."

Read more: Iran Leader: Only Solution For Crisis Is Israel's Destruction | The Daily Caller (http://dailycaller.com/2014/07/23/iran-supreme-leader-the-only-solution-for-crisis-is-israels-destruction/#ixzz38Ovbndg1)


Let us hope it is just rhetoric !!

Chi-Town
07-24-2014, 11:22 AM
Wow, this thread started with Dennis Praeger and has moved to Tucker Carlson (Daily Caller). Just moving along on an endless continuum.

Rags123
07-24-2014, 12:06 PM
Wow, this thread started with Dennis Praeger and has moved to Tucker Carlson (Daily Caller). Just moving along on an endless continuum.

Is Reuters ok with you....

""Israel's annihilation is the only real cure, but that doesn't mean destroying Jews in this region," he said in his speech, which was posted on his website."

"Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei on Wednesday called for a referendum canvassing the Arabs and Jews that live in Israel in order to end the "Zionist state", but said until such a vote could be held, armed resistance was necessary."

Iran's supreme leader calls for end to 'murderous' Israeli regime | Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/23/us-palestinians-israel-iran-idUSKBN0FS2E520140723)

What is factual is factual. Why some must always question facts just from instinct without checking to see if it was made up. It is always MSNBC's fault or Fox's fault....talk about the facts for once.

Sorry...just makes me mad when folks do not take the time to educate and yet still want to have some kind of discussion but only if they like the news.

sunnyatlast
07-24-2014, 02:01 PM
Wow, this thread started with Dennis Praeger and has moved to Tucker Carlson (Daily Caller). Just moving along on an endless continuum.

What difference does it make who or what network reports facts and direct quotations??