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chucktile
07-19-2014, 05:36 AM
Looking for a church in The Villages where a political independent person would feel welcomed who believes in such ideas as: the rights for women to choose; government should help the disadvantage and the poor; the interests and power of the wealthy negatively influences the interests and power of other Americans and our political leaders left or right.

graciegirl
07-19-2014, 06:08 AM
Looking for a church in The Villages where a political independent person would feel welcomed who believes in such ideas as: the rights for women to choose; government should help the disadvantage and the poor; the interests and power of the wealthy negatively influences the interests and power of other Americans and our political leaders left or right.


Hope you find just the church. I am pretty sure that God loves the wealthy just the way he loves the poor. Many poor become wealthy. Many don't change from the decent, good people they were before they worked hard to get money enough to be called wealthy.

I can only think of one religion that doesn't really look at woman as good, and powerful and wonderful just like men. That church doesn't have a building in The Villages. The right for women to choose is between her and her moral values. If you are not a woman, then it isn't your choice.

All churches I know of including my own certainly agree that the poor and needy should be helped. It is the healthy and lazy that need to get to church and help their families and the rest of the world. I have always liked the parable of the talents.

Keep an open mind. You will find almost all those things in all churches and the opposite too. There is only one person we have power over and that is ourselves.

May you find a church home if that is what you are searching for. You will find love and hate too, in almost all institutional churches.

Good morning and a hug. Sorry for the lecture.

Taltarzac725
07-19-2014, 06:25 AM
Looking for a church in The Villages where a political independent person would feel welcomed who believes in such ideas as: the rights for women to choose; government should help the disadvantage and the poor; the interests and power of the wealthy negatively influences the interests and power of other Americans and our political leaders left or right.

A local church is really only a reflection of the people running it at the time. I have heard a lot of good things about many churches in and near the Villages and doubt if they care what your ideas are about abortion, "socialism" as described by some Fox stations, or other matters. I would give the New Covenant United Methodist Church a look see. New Covenant United Methodist Church (http://newcovenantumc-fl.org/) Also the Catholic Church in Wildwood. http://www.sumtercatholic.org/home.html

My younger brother would often go to this Summerfield Church. http://villageviewchurch.com/


This one may be a good fit??? http://www.uufmc.org/ http://www.uufmc.org/aboutus.html

One thing. Take it slow with expressing your opinions about various things when going into unfamiliar places. That applies to TOTV too. I do see you signed up in 2008 however so maybe you already know when to open up and when not to???

mickey100
07-19-2014, 07:21 AM
As Tal suggested, the UU church sounds like a good fit. Their mission statement reads: To be a growing and caring religious community devoted to freedom of thought, speech and spiritual beliefs.

kittygilchrist
07-19-2014, 07:39 AM
Hope you find just the church. I am pretty sure that God loves the wealthy just the way he loves the poor. Many poor become wealthy. Many don't change from the decent, good people they were before they worked hard to get money enough to be called wealthy.

I can only think of one religion that doesn't really look at woman as good, and powerful and wonderful just like men. That church doesn't have a building in The Villages. The right for women to choose is between her and her moral values. If you are not a woman, then it isn't your choice.

All churches I know of including my own certainly agree that the poor and needy should be helped. It is the healthy and lazy that need to get to church and help their families and the rest of the world. I have always liked the parable of the talents.

Keep an open mind. You will find almost all those things in all churches and the opposite too. There is only one person we have power over and that is ourselves.

May you find a church home if that is what you are searching for. You will find love and hate too, in almost all institutional churches.

Good morning and a hug. Sorry for the lecture.
What she said...
I have tried many churches elsewhere and the opposite of what I wanted was Uu and unity, both of which I had fairly extensive involvement in, but they may be what you are looking for.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr
07-19-2014, 08:56 AM
I always went to church trying to understand what God wanted from me.

OBXNana
07-19-2014, 09:00 AM
The Unitarian Church, as mentioned above, is an option chosen for their beliefs of being more open minded than some of the more traditional churches. We have family members that are members of the local church in PA and they open their doors to many beliefs, thoughts, and practices.

I know I am probably one of the more naive people posting on this board, but this poster registered in 2008. Maybe it took them 6 years to get up the courage to ask what is potentially a heated discussion. People with strong religious beliefs may have a problem with someone looking for something outside the norm. Didn't many of us lurk before posting?

sunnyatlast
07-19-2014, 09:13 AM
God is the one to seek and learn more about, not politicians and followers who think their own school of thought is more enlightened than God's.

The 1st Commandment is all about that.

kittygilchrist
07-19-2014, 09:39 AM
The Unitarian Church, as mentioned above, is an option chosen for their beliefs of being more open minded than some of the more traditional churches. We have family members that are members of the local church in PA and they open their doors to many beliefs, thoughts, and practices.

I know I am probably one of the more naive people posting on this board, but this poster registered in 2008. Maybe it took them 6 years to get up the courage to ask what is potentially a heated discussion. People with strong religious beliefs may have a problem with someone looking for something outside the norm. Didn't many of us lurk before posting?

In that case, the op is to be congratulated for posting a bold religious and political polemic for a first post after years of timidly lurking in the shadows.

villager
07-19-2014, 09:47 AM
Try Unity of The Villages. You might be surprised!

manaboutown
07-19-2014, 09:57 AM
The views expressed by the OP are anything but those of an "independent thinking person" The OP enumerates forged rigid, fixed views about several issues along certain lines which are anything but independent. Clearly, the OP is looking for political clone believers rather than independent thinkers.

njbchbum
07-19-2014, 10:19 AM
In that case, the op is to be congratulated for posting a bold religious and political polemic for a first post after years of timidly lurking in the shadows.

I believe the poster is coming out of the shadows to brazenly test the Admin/Mods to see just how far they will go to allow political discourse to take place on TOTV after the same-sex marriage thread. I see nothing of timidity in chucktile nor any reason for congratulations re the nature of the post.

44Ruger
07-19-2014, 10:24 AM
You are looking for a group of people with open minds, liberal thinking and equality for women. You will never find that in any church. Try looking into clubs in The Villages.

billethkid
07-19-2014, 10:25 AM
I believe the poster is coming out of the shadows to brazenly test the Admin/Mods to see just how far they will go to allow political discourse to take place on TOTV after the same-sex marriage thread. I see nothing of timidity in chucktile nor any reason for congratulations re the nature of the post.

Now that description certainly rings a bell of familiarity for some posters from the past!

Taltarzac725
07-19-2014, 10:40 AM
This may just be someone looking for somewhere to worship God with people who share his/her political beliefs/views. From my research this one seems to be the closest. Which some other people have already mentioned. http://www.uufmc.org/

kittygilchrist
07-19-2014, 10:48 AM
I believe the poster is coming out of the shadows to brazenly test the Admin/Mods to see just how far they will go to allow political discourse to take place on TOTV after the same-sex marriage thread. I see nothing of timidity in chucktile nor any reason for congratulations re the nature of the post.

Congratulations were tongue in cheek, I thought the satirical tone was obvious...you can't smirk well on here, can you?

Taltarzac725
07-19-2014, 10:48 AM
Try Unity of The Villages. You might be surprised!


Here's a link for Unity of the Villages:
Unity of the Villages | (http://www.unityofthevillages.org/)

blueash
07-19-2014, 10:49 AM
There have been many many threads asking for advise of this community in selection of a place of worship
https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/churches-villages-75/contemporary-services-103992/
https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/churches-villages-75/non-denominational-church-100103/
https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/churches-villages-75/new-covenant-united-methodist-church-42677/
https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/churches-villages-75/southern-baptist-church-20658/
https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-new-members-forum-115/looking-christian-church-tv-38095/
https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/churches-villages-75/church-recommendation-36594/
Talk of The Villages - Search Results (https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/search.php?searchid=8822667)
https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/churches-villages-75/north-lake-presbyterian-119422/
https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/churches-villages-75/contemporary-services-103992/

There are dozens more. Only this inquiry and one where someone asked for help finding a liberal church resulted in attacks on the OP. When someone asks for help finding a fundamentalist church or a conservative "bible based" church there don't seem to be attacks on those peoples' beliefs or the churches which may support those beliefs. I notice that a couple of even more offensive comments which were posted earlier have been deleted from this thread. Perhaps it is the thought of sharing a faith experience with members who are so intolerant that they need to attack your religion on a website, which made the OP ask for a church in the manner he/she did.

44Ruger
07-19-2014, 11:11 AM
This may just be someone looking for somewhere to worship God with people who share his/her political beliefs/views. From my research this one seems to be the closest. Which some other people have already mentioned. www.uufmc.org (http://www.uufmc.org/)

I agree, give the man/women a chance. I try to see the positive before making assumptions. I think we can all agree some churches are too over zealous for some. Being a Methodist married to a Baptist, I heard more than once from the Baptist side that Methodists are the faith lite of the various denominations.

44Ruger
07-19-2014, 11:17 AM
There have been many many threads asking for advise of this community in selection of a place of worship
https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/churches-villages-75/contemporary-services-103992/
https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/churches-villages-75/non-denominational-church-100103/
https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/churches-villages-75/new-covenant-united-methodist-church-42677/
https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/churches-villages-75/southern-baptist-church-20658/
https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-new-members-forum-115/looking-christian-church-tv-38095/
https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/churches-villages-75/church-recommendation-36594/
Talk of The Villages - Search Results (https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/search.php?searchid=8822667)
https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/churches-villages-75/north-lake-presbyterian-119422/
https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/churches-villages-75/contemporary-services-103992/

There are dozens more. Only this inquiry and one where someone asked for help finding a liberal church resulted in attacks on the OP. When someone asks for help finding a fundamentalist church or a conservative "bible based" church there don't seem to be attacks on those peoples' beliefs or the churches which may support those beliefs. I notice that a couple of even more offensive comments which were posted earlier have been deleted from this thread. Perhaps it is the thought of sharing a faith experience with members who are so intolerant that they need to attack your religion on a website, which made the OP ask for a church in the manner he/she did.

Correct. I would recommend we all give assistance to anyone searching for a place of worship that fits them and let The Lord sort out why they are searching or why they ask they way the OP did for this thread. Snap judgement is uncalled for and especially when one is looking for God.

graciegirl
07-19-2014, 11:26 AM
There have been many many threads asking for advise of this community in selection of a place of worship
https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/churches-villages-75/contemporary-services-103992/
https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/churches-villages-75/non-denominational-church-100103/
https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/churches-villages-75/new-covenant-united-methodist-church-42677/
https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/churches-villages-75/southern-baptist-church-20658/
https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-new-members-forum-115/looking-christian-church-tv-38095/
https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/churches-villages-75/church-recommendation-36594/
Talk of The Villages - Search Results (https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/search.php?searchid=8822667)
https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/churches-villages-75/north-lake-presbyterian-119422/
https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/churches-villages-75/contemporary-services-103992/

There are dozens more. Only this inquiry and one where someone asked for help finding a liberal church resulted in attacks on the OP. When someone asks for help finding a fundamentalist church or a conservative "bible based" church there don't seem to be attacks on those peoples' beliefs or the churches which may support those beliefs. I notice that a couple of even more offensive comments which were posted earlier have been deleted from this thread. Perhaps it is the thought of sharing a faith experience with members who are so intolerant that they need to attack your religion on a website, which made the OP ask for a church in the manner he/she did.


I really tried to be gentle and kind and now I am mad. It is possible that there is more support for traditional views and traditional churches because the majority of us who live here are traditional people with widely varying views but mostly ordinary, traditional folks. That is nothing to be ashamed of. We are living according to the values and beliefs we hold.

The OP is intolerant of people with money too. How does he raise his children? Go and try not to earn a lot of money?

AND You are right Kitty. You can run but you can't hide.

Taltarzac725
07-19-2014, 11:44 AM
I really tried to be gentle and kind and now I am mad. It is possible that there is more support for traditional views and traditional churches because the majority of us who live here are traditional people with widely varying views but mostly ordinary, traditional folks. That is nothing to be ashamed of. We are living according to the values and beliefs we hold.

The OP is intolerant of people with money too. How does he raise his children? Go and try not to earn a lot of money?

I believe too much is being read into the OP's question. The new Pope seems to espouse some of these ideas except maybe abortion. This Pope has done a great deal of work for the poor and underprivileged and seems to throw of the materialistic trappings of the Church and push more for the spiritual. Rich people, of course, can be very religious/spiritual as well. And if you look at people like the Gates they seem to strive to create a better world with their charity.

That's why I suggested checking out a Catholic Church as they seem to have changed quite a bit because of the leadership of Popes like Francis.

graciegirl
07-19-2014, 11:47 AM
I believe too much is being read into the OP's question. The new Pope seems to espouse some of these ideas except maybe abortion. This Pope has done a great deal of work for the poor and underprivileged and seems to throw of the materialistic trappings of the Church and push more for the spiritual. Rich people, of course, can be very religious/spiritual as well. And if you look at people like the Gates they seem to strive to create a better world with their charity.


AND the Morses have created a beautiful city with their hard work and good ideas. They started with a lot less. They are the same people, only financially successful. I get tired of this bias against those who have made a success of their lives financially.

Moderator
07-19-2014, 11:49 AM
Kindly remember the OP asked a question about any local churches that he might consider. Posts discussing his/her personality and/or beliefs are not on topic.


Moderator

44Ruger
07-19-2014, 11:54 AM
Love and respect for all.

Taltarzac725
07-19-2014, 11:55 AM
AND the Morses have created a beautiful city with their hard work and good ideas. They started with a lot less. They are the same people, only financially successful. I get tired of this bias against those who have made a success of their lives financially.

That's true. Please remember that I have tried to get very rich celebrities to help with my victims/survivors 224 613 of crimes access to practical information campaign and some of them really seemed to get it quickly. I had one Villages Daily Sun reporter-- Gary Corsair-- ask about my work when he was in the neighborhood back in 2007. He did want to look at my correspondence but I said no as I did not know him and I have always been quite cautious about whom I bring into my work as I have found out the hard way that some people can be very two-faced. This applies to rich and poor alike. I certainly do not think that the poor have a monopoly on virtue and honesty.

A church/synagogue/mosque/temple is one of the first places victims of crimes used to come when the government had not much of anything in the way of assistance or support groups and the like. There are a very large number of church connected groups in the National Organization for Victim Assistance Directory of Victim/Witness Assistance providers. At least there were in the 1992 Directory when I was writing so many of these seeing what they would like to see in community libraries from 1992 through 2000 or so. http://www.trynova.org/

Moderator
07-19-2014, 12:10 PM
Please get back on topic. Begin another thread for discussions other than the original topic.

Moderator

onslowe
07-19-2014, 12:13 PM
I have no powers of insight into anyone's mind and real motives, but to me, the original post was more of a statement than a question. A bit 'stirring' if you ask men.