Margaret "Peggy" Klemm gets 180 days.

[Taltarzac725]

Villages sexcapade nets woman 180 days in jail - Daily Commercial: News (http://www.dailycommercial.com/news/article_a7eb256d-7702-545b-b7a6-f0728cfa77eb.html)

The sentence for Mrs. Kleem was today. Personally I agree with the prosecutor Tiny Smith that this was in a family public place. If they had been out on a golf course on a golf cart at 10:30 PM far from prying eyes, I would have expected the cops would just have told them to get dressed and move on. Families coming out of the Old Mill Playhouse might have seen them.

[The Mountaineer]

More important, I hope she gets help for her alcoholism. She has a sickness and needs to be treated for it. But, at 88, it's a long shot. It's a sad story. Not something to joke about.

[chuckinca]

If I was the prosecutor I would change my name.

.

[l2ridehd]

I am not so sure about this. For me, the only victims in this case were the two people engaged in the act and their families. No one was physically hurt, no property was destroyed.

We all hear so much about equality these days. Does the results of this crime match the impact of those who break and enter your homes? Not for me. And yet those folks get a fine, a slap on the wrist and maybe probation.

Should these two have gotten some type of fine or punishment? Yes, but based on other crimes and the punishment received, I think this was over kill.

[Bonanza]

The entire episode is tragic and very sad. It amazes me how some of the public actually got pleasure in previous threads, by making some pretty feelingless comments. While I do agree a penalty was justified, the penalty given does not fit the crime.

This woman needs help, big time, and unfortunately, putting her in jail isn't helping her at all.

BTW -- she is 68, not 88.

[graciegirl]

I am not so sure about this. For me, the only victims in this case were the two people engaged in the act and their families. No one was physically hurt, no property was destroyed.

We all hear so much about equality these days. Does the results of this crime match the impact of those who break and enter your homes? Not for me. And yet those folks get a fine, a slap on the wrist and maybe probation.

Should these two have gotten some type of fine or punishment? Yes, but based on other crimes and the punishment received, I think this was over kill.

As always, I agree with you. She is one fortunate woman to have a husband to stand behind her and beside her. My prayers are for him, poor guy.

[Taltarzac725]

I am not so sure about this. For me, the only victims in this case were the two people engaged in the act and their families. No one was physically hurt, no property was destroyed.

We all hear so much about equality these days. Does the results of this crime match the impact of those who break and enter your homes? Not for me. And yet those folks get a fine, a slap on the wrist and maybe probation.

Should these two have gotten some type of fine or punishment? Yes, but based on other crimes and the punishment received, I think this was over kill.

Not sure you can compare crimes and punishments like that. Some --like this one in a huge retirement community with many visiting grandkids in a public square at 10:30 PM at night. If this had been at 3:30 AM, it would probably be a very different sentence as no one but the Community Watch driver and some feral cats are around.

I do agree a sentence of alcoholic treatment would be better served but we do not know this woman's prior history of such treatments. Some people will not help themselves with respect to alcoholism. It does take a conscious effort to stop drinking which sometimes jail is the only solution to prevent more drinking.

[dirtbanker]

I am not so sure about this. For me, the only victims in this case were the two people engaged in the act and their families. No one was physically hurt, no property was destroyed.

Thank goodness nobody was physically hurt, but as someone on here might have hinted; there was a good chance some family coming out of the Old Mill Playhouse could have been disturbed with seeing this act.

We all hear so much about equality these days.

I feel we hear so much about equality for certain groups of people these days, I try not to confuse that with equality for all.

Does the results of this crime match the impact of those who break and enter your homes? Not for me. And yet those folks get a fine, a slap on the wrist and maybe probation.

Should these two have gotten some type of fine or punishment? Yes, but based on other crimes and the punishment received, I think this was over kill.

I agree that the punishment seemed harsh when compared to your description of what the burglar has gotten...My gut reaction is; she got a just sentence and the burglar did not get what he/she deserved. So why don't we focus and complain about the sentence being too light for the burglars instead?

[Bay Kid]

A big waste of tax dollars and jail space! Have them do community services, but don't put them in jail.

[perrjojo]

Just curious. Where does one serve their time for this sort of sentence? Never mind...I just reread the article and it says Sumter a County jail.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

In the article, her husband says that this is the first time that she's ever been in trouble. I understand that she had two recent DUIs. Is that not being in trouble?

Of course none of us who weren't there know exactly what happened, but I have to wonder if they gave the arresting officers a bad time. If so, that may have influenced the judge in terms of sentencing. And don't forget, she was given a break here but getting "concurrent" 180 day sentences for this and for the DUI. Does anyone know how much time she will actually spend in jail? Often entire sentences are not served out in these kind of cases.

As far as damage done, I agree that no one was hurt and no property was damaged, but I do feel that a lot of damage was done to the reputation of our wonderful community. Could that have possibly been a factor in the sentencing?

Of course she should get help for alcoholism. But having a disease does not excuse bad or illegal behavior. You can't go out and commit a crime and be let off easy just by saying, "I'm an alcoholic". In fact one of the things preached by AA is that you have to take responsibility for your own actions. In fact loved ones of alcoholics are also taught not to give alcoholics a break and to allow the the dignity of suffering the consequences of their actions. The sentence may be the best thing that ever happened to her.

[red tail]

it looks like a case of 'bible belt justice'...I agree with the poster that said this is overkill!!

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Please don't miss the point that this is a plea deal. She agreed to this sentence rather than face a full trial.

[red tail]

lets hope the judge doesn't get reelected. he is lacking in compassion.

[zonerboy]

Whew! I feel much safer now. Much less chance of seeing any exposed genitals in my wanderings about The Villages.
Wouldn't want any grand kids to be scarred for life by seeing human body parts.

[Chi-Town]

If she had the wherewithal to get a top notch lawyer she would have been out on bond and no jail time.

[manaboutown]

She was concurrently sentenced 90 days for violation of probation, 180 for exposure of genital organs and 60 for disorderly conduct according to the online V news. The sentence seems appropriate to me in lieu of her priors.

As for burglars merely getting their hands slapped, they are being ridiculously under sentenced. If they commit the crime they should do the time. That is why such individuals keep committing felonies. They know they will get away with it, even when caught.

[Abster]

Whew! I feel much safer now. Much less chance of seeing any exposed genitals in my wanderings about The Villages.
Wouldn't want any grand kids to be scarred for life by seeing human body parts. But it's okay to see Uncle Drunk stumbling through the town square or plowing his golf cart into a tree! I love all the ugly comments directed at this poor lady, yet the same people will be sitting in a pew come Sunday.

[EastCoastDawg]

"there was a good chance some family coming out of the Old Mill Playhouse could have been emotionally scarred."

any kids old enough to be out that late have probably already accessed plenty of stuff on the internet that would turn our hair gray. I shouldn't be too worried about mental stress caused by seeing an old couple at it in public.



" I do feel that a lot of damage was done to the reputation of our wonderful community."

since TV already has the reputation of being the community with the highest rate of sexually transmitted diseases, I'm sure a bit of free love isn't going to move us up or down any ranking of morality

[Taltarzac725]

OKC Police: Two people naked, having sex on sidewalk in front of church | KFOR.com (http://kfor.com/2014/07/10/okc-police-two-people-naked-having-sex-on-sidewalk-in-front-church/)

We will have to see how this couple are sentenced.

And I am not so sure that many would agree that what you see on the Internet or on TV or at the movies has the same kind of impact as what you see right in front of you. Kids visiting from CA may also still be on CA time so younger kids might be coming out of the Old Mill Playhouse later.

[mmac321]

There is no way they could have given her less time than him.

[graciegirl]

But it's okay to see Uncle Drunk stumbling through the town square or plowing his golf cart into a tree! I love all the ugly comments directed at this poor lady, yet the same people will be sitting in a pew come Sunday.

They could do worse. Lot of folks here who do not need to be criticized go to church and a lot who are far from perfect go too.

Tired of this anti-religious STUFF.
P.S. I don't go to church, but there isn't anything wrong with it and a whole lot right.

Pick on criminals and leave the church people alone.

[graciegirl]

Thank goodness nobody was physically hurt, but as Gracie pointed out there was a good chance some family coming out of the Old Mill Playhouse could have been emotionally scarred.

You have misquoted me. I did NOT say this. I get into enough trouble all by myself.


I feel we hear so much about equality for certain groups of people these days, I try not to confuse that with equality for all.



I agree that the punishment seemed harsh when compared to your description of what the burglar has gotten...My gut reaction is; she got a just sentence and the burglar did not get what he/she deserved. So why don't we focus and complain about the sentence being too light for the burglars instead?

You have misquoted me. I did NOT say this. I get into enough trouble all by myself.

[Taltarzac725]

There is no way they could have given her less time than him.

That does seem fair. Now if this couple were in their car rocking it away parked in Lake Sumter Landing, this probably would have gone a different way-- I hope-- with the cops just telling them to find a less public place. That's what lover's lanes are for.

[Taltarzac725]

[COLOR=magenta]Thank goodness nobody was physically hurt, but as Gracie pointed out there was a good chance some family coming out of the Old Mill Playhouse could have been emotionally scarred.

You have misquoted me. I did NOT say this. I get into enough trouble all by myself.

I believe I said something like that. Just that kids might get upset, not emotionally scared. Old Mill Playhouse is open rather late at certain times of the year and they do show kids' movies.

[2BNTV]

If I remember correctly, she was also arrested for a DUI, about two weeks prior to her sexcapade at the town square, and she was drunk again, to the point, where she could not be in control.

I think she may have had a lot of stress dealing with her very sick husband but she could have relieved her frustration, with a more constructive venue. At least, get a room.

She sure has revived the old rumor mill by letting people outside TV to think this is an orgy type place and giving some credence to the theory of spreading STD. That article failed to mention the spread of STD was no higher, than any other community in the USA, but that is was, an increased number.

I feel sorry for the shame the husband must be feeling, and what happens to his needing care, while she is serving her sentence. This has become a sad story for all those involved, who really need help, in whatever form that may take. IMHO

[graciegirl]

If I remember correctly, she was also arrested for a DUI, about two weeks prior to her sexcapade at the town square, and she was drunk again, to the point, where she could not be in control.

I think she may have had a lot of stress dealing with her very sick husband but she could have relieved her frustration, with a more constructive venue. At least, get a room.

She sure has revived the old rumor mill by letting people outside TV to think this is an orgy type place and giving some credence to the theory of spreading STD. That article failed to mention the spread of STD was no higher, than any other community in the USA, but that is was, an increased number.

I feel sorry for the shame the husband must be feeling, and what happens to his needing care, while she is serving her sentence. This has become a sad story for all those involved, who really need help, in whatever form that may take. IMHO

Joe. You keep me sane. So glad for people like you in my world. Great summary.

[RedChariot]

Peggy, if you can't do the time, don't do the crime. Saw her sentencing on the news. When she saw the camera was on her, she said "I love you" to her husband. Yea, right. Didn't love him enough to keep her pants on. I feel sorry for the husband's and family's public humiliation. She will never get a dime out of me. I do not want the world to judge TV by her example.

[manaboutown]

For some reason this reminds me of the Wilbur Mills/Fanne Foxe incident where he jumped into the Tidal Basin. Wilbur got himself to a treatment center in West Palm Beach, joined AA and apparently lived happily ever after. Wilbur was about 65 years of age at the time this incident occurred.

Hopefully Peggy, at age 68, will follow a similar path to recovery. From statements quoted in news articles she has the support of her family. Perhaps it is never too late. I just hope she does not get out there, drunk drive as she has in the past, and cause a serious accident.

[Taltarzac725]

For some reason this reminds me of the Wilbur Mills/Fanne Foxe incident where he jumped into the Tidal Basin. Wilbur got himself to a treatment center in West Palm Beach, joined AA and apparently lived happily ever after. Wilbur was about 65 years of age at the time this incident occurred.

Hopefully Peggy, at age 68, will follow a similar path to recovery. From statements quoted in news articles she has the support of her family. Perhaps it is never too late. I just hope she does not get out there, drunk drive as she has in the past, and cause a serious accident.

Fanne Foxe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanne_Foxe)

I had forgotten about that scandal.

A family can only do so much.

[perrjojo]

If I remember correctly, she was also arrested for a DUI, about two weeks prior to her sexcapade at the town square, and she was drunk again, to the point, where she could not be in control.

I think she may have had a lot of stress dealing with her very sick husband but she could have relieved her frustration, with a more constructive venue. At least, get a room.

She sure has revived the old rumor mill by letting people outside TV to think this is an orgy type place and giving some credence to the theory of spreading STD. That article failed to mention the spread of STD was no higher, than any other community in the USA, but that is was, an increased number.

I feel sorry for the shame the husband must be feeling, and what happens to his needing care, while she is serving her sentence. This has become a sad story for all those involved, who really need help, in whatever form that may take. IMHO
This biggest hurdle to Alcoholics is the enablers..... Those who continue to say he/she made a mistake. I am not without compassion for this family but being arrested twice in four days? I always say the first time we make a mistake. The second time we do it, it's a choice.

[Cajulian]

Whew! I feel much safer now. Much less chance of seeing any exposed genitals in my wanderings about The Villages.
Wouldn't want any grand kids to be scarred for life by seeing human body parts.

I feel so much safer now too!!!

What they did was inappropriate, but far from leaving anyone "Emotionally Scarred".

The punishment was definitely an overkill, considering the sentences that some real criminals get.

[Chi-Town]

She should have pleaded insanity. "I was just crazy about that boy!" should have been her defense.

(thanks to Cheech and Chong so I won't be accused of plagiarizing).

[billethkid]

:icon_bored:

:popcorn:

[MicheleE]

Alcoholism is not a choice. This women clearly needs rehab rather than jail. Hope she gets the help she needs and stops living on that merry-go-round.

[2BNTV]

Sorry but forgot to add, that I have known several people who got DUI's but they didn't travel down that road again as they learned their lesson. They only excuse Peggy can have had is............ fill in the blank.

Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.

Being totally drunk twice to have the police involved, indicated a serious emotional problem that she needs to get serious, about curing herself.

I agree with BTK. It's :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

[coolkayaker1]

I once walked around a large granite monument in a public park in Chicago at night. I was 25 years old. I saw--would have stepped on them if I kept walking--two adults, about my age, humping like earthworms after a rainstorm.

If I could only "unsee".

[cc1246]

It matter what the crime was, she broke the law and also her probation. I agree she needs help, but her family should have stepped up a long time ago and tried to help. Laws are not meant to be broken.

[Abster]

They could do worse. Lot of folks here who do not need to be criticized go to church and a lot who are far from perfect go too.

Tired of this anti-religious STUFF.
P.S. I don't go to church, but there isn't anything wrong with it and a whole lot right.

Pick on criminals and leave the church people alone. Mam, Please!!! I'm entitled to my opinion just as you are yours.

[perrjojo]

Alcoholism is not a choice. This women clearly needs rehab rather than jail. Hope she gets the help she needs and stops living on that merry-go-round.

I can not speak for Sumter County Jail but most jails have a required AA program for those incarcerated on alcohol related offenses. I have a good friend who does a jail ministry in another state and those completing the AA 12 steps received time off their sentence. After they serve their time, it is their choice whether to drink again or not. Alcoholism is not a choice, but to drink or not drink IS a CHOICE.

[janmcn]

In the article, her husband says that this is the first time that she's ever been in trouble. I understand that she had two recent DUIs. Is that not being in trouble?

Of course none of us who weren't there know exactly what happened, but I have to wonder if they gave the arresting officers a bad time. If so, that may have influenced the judge in terms of sentencing. And don't forget, she was given a break here but getting "concurrent" 180 day sentences for this and for the DUI. Does anyone know how much time she will actually spend in jail? Often entire sentences are not served out in these kind of cases.

As far as damage done, I agree that no one was hurt and no property was damaged, but I do feel that a lot of damage was done to the reputation of our wonderful community. Could that have possibly been a factor in the sentencing?

Of course she should get help for alcoholism. But having a disease does not excuse bad or illegal behavior. You can't go out and commit a crime and be let off easy just by saying, "I'm an alcoholic". In fact one of the things preached by AA is that you have to take responsibility for your own actions. In fact loved ones of alcoholics are also taught not to give alcoholics a break and to allow the the dignity of suffering the consequences of their actions. The sentence may be the best thing that ever happened to her.



When judges start making their decisions not based on the law but on the reputation of a wonderful community, it is time for them to be impeached.

[perrjojo]

When judges start making their decisions not based on the law but on the reputation of a wonderful community, it is time for them to be impeached.

What is your basis for knowing this is what happened? I don't know that wasn't true but I certainly don't know that it is true.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Whew! I feel much safer now. Much less chance of seeing any exposed genitals in my wanderings about The Villages.
Wouldn't want any grand kids to be scarred for life by seeing human body parts.

I don't think that it's a question of making us safer. Imprisonment usually has three purposes. One is to get dangerous people out of society and make us safer, the second is to try to rehabilitate these people and the third is to punish them. Her sentence is punishment and as has been pointed out, she was found guilty of three crimes and is lucky to be serving her sentences concurrently.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

When judges start making their decisions not based on the law but on the reputation of a wonderful community, it is time for them to be impeached.

I think that having victims impact statements is fairly common these days in court. The reason is that the damage to people or a community that some has caused should be taken into consideration when sentencing them. Just as priors is taken into consideration. This woman had a DUI, a probation violation and now this act.

Someone who commits a crime while on probation doesn't seem to have learned from their mistakes. I'm sure that was also taken into account in the sentencing.

And remember, this was a plea bargain. Imagine what she could have gotten.

[manaboutown]

Peggy did indeed damage the reputation of a wonderful community. If she gets into AA, gets herself a sponsor and works the program she will make amends in accordance with one of AA's 12 steps. I will not hold my breath but anything is possible.

If her family members got into Al-Anon they could learn about enablement and other behavioral issues as well as learn to cope with her substance abuse.

Let us hope there is no encore of the sex on the square event.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Alcoholism is not a choice. This women clearly needs rehab rather than jail. Hope she gets the help she needs and stops living on that merry-go-round.

A person who is an alcoholic needs to go to a detox and then a rehab and then into a lifetime of a recovery program.

A person that commits a crime should go to jail whether they are an alcoholic or not.

You are correct in that alcoholism is not a choice. But committing a crime is. You should not be able to use being drunk as an excuse for committing a crime.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Peggy did indeed damage the reputation of a wonderful community. If she gets into AA, gets herself a sponsor and works the program she will make amends in accordance with one of AA's 12 steps. I will not hold my breath but anything is possible.

If her family members got into Al-Anon they could learn about enablement and other behavioral issues as well as learn to cope with her substance abuse.

Let us hope there is no encore of the sex on the square event.

I agree 1,000,000 %. May she find the grace of God to help her long her path.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

"there was a good chance some family coming out of the Old Mill Playhouse could have been emotionally scarred."

any kids old enough to be out that late have probably already accessed plenty of stuff on the internet that would turn our hair gray. I shouldn't be too worried about mental stress caused by seeing an old couple at it in public.



" I do feel that a lot of damage was done to the reputation of our wonderful community."

since TV already has the reputation of being the community with the highest rate of sexually transmitted diseases, I'm sure a bit of free love isn't going to move us up or down any ranking of morality

The reputation of The Villages was beginning to come back as more and more people were shown that that statistic was false. A lot of people worked hard to spread the word. This is a major setback for this community. Especially after the newspaper hack job.

[graciegirl]

Woman sentenced for having sex in Sumter County pavilion | News - Home (http://www.clickorlando.com/news/woman-sentenced-for-having-sex-in-sumter-county-pavilion/27231168)

[coolkayaker1]

Perhaps she needs some sex and relationship counseling, to boot.

That is so ironic when this mother of four, 14 grandchildren, looks at the camera and mouths, "I love you." Her one-legged husband is a saint, and how embarrassing for her family.

[NottaVillager]

An utterly ridiculous sentence. There are drug dealers & thugs who get less time.

[RedChariot]

The reputation of The Villages was beginning to come back as more and more people were shown that that statistic was false. A lot of people worked hard to spread the word. This is a major setback for this community. Especially after the newspaper hack job.

Thank You. Margaret Klemm has done a disservice to us all. Especially her husband and family. Do any of you think The Villages will live this down? The laughter has been heard around the world. She deserves to pay for the crime.

[StarbuckSammy]

According to her son "Steve Klemm wouldn’t say what he thought happened that night, but added his mother hasn’t consumed alcohol since the DUI charge", Does that mean she was sober when ,according to the conviction, she was exposing her organs?

[Abster]

According to her son "Steve Klemm wouldn’t say what he thought happened that night, but added his mother hasn’t consumed alcohol since the DUI charge", Does that mean she was sober when ,according to the conviction, she was exposing her organs? Maybe someone slipped her a pill or she'd had a reaction to a medication. Everyone is so quick to judge, you still have no idea what went on. It's between this lady and her husband/family. She didn't shame this community. This community has had its share of problems for quite some time. STDs, drunks, domestic violence, peds... The media just latched on and wouldn't/won't let go. It seems many have lived a VERY sheltered life or choose to not believe this happens EVERYWHERE. Mr. Usedtobe is long gone.

[manaboutown]

Ever hear of a "dry drunk"? -assuming she truly had not been drinking for a substantial period of time -

Urban Dictionary: Dry Drunk (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Dry+Drunk)

[ukgolfer]

The good news, she's out for December, perhaps she could turn on the Christmas tree lights in the square, I always felt the event would benefit from the inclusion of an organ.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Maybe someone slipped her a pill or she'd had a reaction to a medication. Everyone is so quick to judge, you still have no idea what went on. It's between this lady and her husband/family. She didn't shame this community. This community has had its share of problems for quite some time. STDs, drunks, domestic violence, peds... The media just latched on and wouldn't/won't let go. It seems many have lived a VERY sheltered life or choose to not believe this happens EVERYWHERE. Mr. Usedtobe is long gone.

I think that if she were drugged, it certainly would have come up in court. Mr Bobilya would have been charged with drugging her.

As far as her loving her husband and all that, I don't see where there is a conflict. This poor woman has gotten a terrible deal in life. Her husband is wheelchair bound and she was spending all of her timing taking care of him. She started to drink and it caught up with her. That's not to excuse the drunk driving or the sex act.

I have a friend who knows this woman. My friend's wife called her the day after the square incident. She said she really didn't want to talk, but did say, "I allowed my loneliness to get the better of me and I did a very foolish thing".

I can see how she still loves her family but was succumbed to the temptation to numb her pain with alcohol and seek relief in unhealthy ways. Again, this does not excuse her, but it also doesn't mean that she doesn't love her husband or her family. It just means that when the emotional pain got too great she chose the wrong path.

Having said that, she did make the choice and because of that, she will still pay
the price.

I feel very bad for her, her family and her husband. I also feel bad for our community which has ben damaged. But I also think that she is getting what she deserved and I believe that she does as well.

I hope that she can take this in turn it into a positive life experience.

[DougB]

Nice weather today, doncha think?

[Villageshooter]

with the attitude she brought shame to all of us! which i dont believe, just because i lived in dallas i didnt shoot jfk!
yes this is the Bible Belt of justice! just look at the doctor that had his hands all over a woman , and he still practicing with zero involvent of law enforcement,, to me is more unsafe to go to the doctor than go to the square! thank you so much Bible thumpers!

this poor woman is a victim of the system! get some help and enjoy life here in " Gods waiting room"
the bait shack will always be here for you dishing out the juice of the devil!

[rp001]

Maybe someone slipped her a pill or she'd had a reaction to a medication. Everyone is so quick to judge, you still have no idea what went on. It's between this lady and her husband/family. She didn't shame this community. This community has had its share of problems for quite some time. STDs, drunks, domestic violence, peds... The media just latched on and wouldn't/won't let go. It seems many have lived a VERY sheltered life or choose to not believe this happens EVERYWHERE. Mr. Usedtobe is long gone.

I wish people would get their facts straight about this. Garbage rumor based on misinformation taken out of context from a book trying to enrich the writer. I'm so tired of answering this point and it's promulgated for sensationalism only.

Auto fill completed topic in error it should be again with the STD s

[dirtbanker]

You have misquoted me. I did NOT say this. I get into enough trouble all by myself.

Oops, I edited my post to remove your name (not sure who said it as there have been a number of edited posts or maybe I imagined it?)
Yes, I am sure you can get into enough trouble without my assistance ;-)

[Taltarzac725]

Oops, I edited my post to remove your name (not sure who said it as there have been a number of edited posts or maybe I imagined it?)
Yes, I am sure you can get into enough trouble without my assistance ;-)

I said something like that. Only that it might cause some troubling questions and emotions from the very young kids that sometime go to Old Mill Playhouse movies. And, kids visiting from CA and their parents may still be on CA time.

And I often get myself in trouble by voicing my opinions.

[Chi-Town]

Thank You. Margaret Klemm has done a disservice to us all. Especially her husband and family. Do any of you think The Villages will live this down? The laughter has been heard around the world. She deserves to pay for the crime.
I wouldn't worry about The Villages living this down. The out of state people who have sent me texts or emails about this have been very good natured about this. It's almost like a break from the mundane for them.

[Warren Kiefer]

Villages sexcapade nets woman 180 days in jail - Daily Commercial: News (http://www.dailycommercial.com/news/article_a7eb256d-7702-545b-b7a6-f0728cfa77eb.html)

The sentence for Mrs. Kleem was today. Personally I agree with the prosecutor Tiny Smith that this was in a family public place. If they had been out on a golf course on a golf cart at 10:30 PM far from prying eyes, I would have expected the cops would just have told them to get dressed and move on. Families coming out of the Old Mill Playhouse might have seen them.

Why do you say "might " have seen them.??? Couldn't a person just as well say, "might not have seen them ""??

[Warren Kiefer]

More important, I hope she gets help for her alcoholism. She has a sickness and needs to be treated for it. But, at 88, it's a long shot. It's a sad story. Not something to joke about.

88 ???????? I don't think so..

[Taltarzac725]

Why do you say "might " have seen them.??? Couldn't a person just as well say, "might not have seen them ""??

Think you are missing the point of why she got this harsh sentence. The sex was in a public place at a time of day where there were kids around or where these two should have known that there were children present.

[Barefoot]

For me, the only victims in this case were the two people engaged in the act and their families. No one was physically hurt, no property was destroyed. Should these two have gotten some type of fine or punishment? Yes, but based on other crimes and the punishment received, I think this was over kill.

The entire episode is tragic and very sad. It amazes me how some of the public actually got pleasure in previous threads, by making some pretty feelingless comments. While I do agree a penalty was justified, the penalty given does not fit the crime.

it looks like a case of 'bible belt justice'...I agree with the poster that said this is overkill!!

I agree with the above posters, the punishment did not fit the crime, no-one was hurt.
I'm sure the family experienced embarrassment, however her son has written a letter in the online newspaper asking for our support for his mom.
It makes me sad to see so many judgmental comments. Why not try compassionate, as requested by her son.
Let he among you who is without sin, cast the first stone.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I wish people would get their facts straight about this. Garbage rumor based on misinformation taken out of context from a book trying to enrich the writer. I'm so tired of answering this point and it's promulgated for sensationalism only.

Auto fill completed topic in error it should be again with the STD s


I agree. We don't have the problems that were mentioned in that post. It's ridiculous.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I agree with the above posters, the punishment did not fit the crime, no-one was hurt.
I'm sure the family experienced embarrassment, however her son has written a letter in the online newspaper asking for our support for his mom.
It makes me sad to see so many judgmental comments. Why not try compassionate, as requested by her son.
Let he among you who is without sin, cast the first stone.

I would agree if this were her first offense and had nothing before. I think that the harsh sentence may have been because she did this while on probation. Courts don't take kindly to people breaking probation.

This sentence might just be the most compassionate thing for her. It might help her to get the help she needs for her problems and set on the right path. If they let her off with a slap on the writ, who's to say that she might not be back in court in another month.

We're not talking about sin here, we're talking about crime. If you apply the "whoever is without sin" adage here why not apply it to every crime.
Jesus was talking about sin when he said that. He was making the point that we are all sinners. We all do not commit crimes.


Forgiveness is one thing but not punishing people for bad behaviour is something all together different. People need to suffer the consequences of their actions.

[Barefoot]

We're not talking about sin here, we're talking about crime. If you apply the "whoever is without sin" adage here why not apply it to every crime.
Jesus was talking about sin when he said that. He was making the point that we are all sinners. We all do not commit crimes.

I agree that the violation of parole was a crime and should be punished.
However on this thread, I get the feeling that people find Peggy's sexual behavior to be sinful rather than criminal.
Because she didn't hurt anyone.
And therefore I feel that the six-month verdict was over kill.

According to news reports, the Young man who robbed a woman at TJ Maxx had an extensive criminal record.
He put a woman in the hospital. He was out on parole the next day.

Peggy's son asked for compassion for his mom.
I'd like to think we are a compassionate community.

[KeepingItReal]

And it's world news again.......for the police bashers, now it says initially the incident was reported by residents..."Community residents called police and reported seeing Klemm and David Bobilya, 49, engaging in sexual activity
When investigators arrived at the scene, Klemm had her shirt pulled down and wasn't wearing any pants and Bobilya was also half-naked"


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2713311/I-love-Woman-68-sentenced-six-months-public-sex-younger-man-Florida-retirement-community-declares-love-husband-50-years-court.html#ixzz39AhgkLEh
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

Margaret 'Peggy' Klemm, 68, sentenced for public sex in Florida retirement community | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2713311/I-love-Woman-68-sentenced-six-months-public-sex-younger-man-Florida-retirement-community-declares-love-husband-50-years-court.html)

[Chi-Town]

OKC Police: Two people naked, having sex on sidewalk in front of church | KFOR.com (http://kfor.com/2014/07/10/okc-police-two-people-naked-having-sex-on-sidewalk-in-front-church/)

We will have to see how this couple are sentenced.

And I am not so sure that many would agree that what you see on the Internet or on TV or at the movies has the same kind of impact as what you see right in front of you. Kids visiting from CA may also still be on CA time so younger kids might be coming out of the Old Mill Playhouse later.

Kids visiting from Tokyo may also still be on Tokyo time. Oh, never mind. Then it would be tomorrow.

[Russ_Boston]

Could someone answer this for me: I thought the square was private property? Belongs to TV. Did (or should) this have any bearing on the crime? For example I would think that if I left my windows open with the lights on in my home and let anyone see a sexual activity, is that a crime?

I'm joking of course but I'm just curious about the jurisdiction rights of public safety officers who 'patrol' the squares.

[perrjojo]

I feel bad for the Klemm family...Not so much for Ms Klemm...sounds harsh I know .

I don't know if the sentence in this case is reasonable according to the law or not, but let me tell you what I do know.

I have attended al anon meetings for over 30 years. I know about Alcoholism. I know about Alcoholics. I have known and loved a few. I imagine we all have had an addict somewhere close to us in our lives. I know that some experts think alcoholism is a disease and some do not. I really don't know what I think, but here is what I DO know. Addiction causes diseases like high blood pressure, heart trouble, liver disease and the list goes on. Addiction causes broken people, broken homes and broken relationships. Addictions cost a lot of money, not just to the addict but to our entire economy.

I also know about being an enabler. I have been one but not so much any more. I know that addicts don't need sympathy. Sympathy only enables them. Addicts don't need excuses made for them. Making excuses for them only enables the behavior. Addicts don't need sympathy.......they need tough love. If you are an enabler, you are part of the problem.

[Chazz]

I feel bad for the Klemm family...Not so much for Ms Klemm...sounds harsh I know .

I don't know if the sentence in this case is reasonable according to the law or not, but let me tell you what I do know.

I have attended al anon meetings for over 30 years. I know about Alcoholism. I know about Alcoholics. I have known and loved a few. I imagine we all have had an addict somewhere close to us in our lives. I know that some experts think alcoholism is a disease and some do not. I really don't know what I think, but here is what I DO know. Addiction causes diseases like high blood pressure, heart trouble, liver disease and the list goes on. Addiction causes broken people, broken homes and broken relationships. Addictions cost a lot of money, not just to the addict but to our entire economy.

I also know about being an enabler. I have been one but not so much any more. I know that addicts don't need sympathy. Sympathy only enables them. Addicts don't need excuses made for them. Making excuses for them only enables the behavior. Addicts don't need sympathy.......they need tough love. If you are an enabler, you are part of the problem.

Well said! I hope this period of incarceration helps both parties straighten out their lives.

[Taltarzac725]

Kids visiting from Tokyo may also still be on Tokyo time. Oh, never mind. Then it would be tomorrow.

I suppose there could be some kids visiting from Tokyo to the Villages. There sure are those visiting Orlando. Maybe, they took a wrong turn somewhere?

[LI SNOWBIRD]

It's now on Youtube
Grandma Will Spend 6 Months In Jail For Public Sex

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=RbOwSN5ji1A

[Radioman41]

The story made it on " Drudge Report". It has a link to the story on "The Smoking Gun".

[graciegirl]

I feel bad for the Klemm family...Not so much for Ms Klemm...sounds harsh I know .

I don't know if the sentence in this case is reasonable according to the law or not, but let me tell you what I do know.

I have attended al anon meetings for over 30 years. I know about Alcoholism. I know about Alcoholics. I have known and loved a few. I imagine we all have had an addict somewhere close to us in our lives. I know that some experts think alcoholism is a disease and some do not. I really don't know what I think, but here is what I DO know. Addiction causes diseases like high blood pressure, heart trouble, liver disease and the list goes on. Addiction causes broken people, broken homes and broken relationships. Addictions cost a lot of money, not just to the addict but to our entire economy.

I also know about being an enabler. I have been one but not so much any more. I know that addicts don't need sympathy. Sympathy only enables them. Addicts don't need excuses made for them. Making excuses for them only enables the behavior. Addicts don't need sympathy.......they need tough love. If you are an enabler, you are part of the problem.

When you type, I read. I have found you to be thoughtful, reasonable and very kind. People like you make this forum helpful to people like me. I understand exactly what you are saying. I appreciate you telling us this. I hope it will be helpful to others.

[2BNTV]

I feel bad for the Klemm family...Not so much for Ms Klemm...sounds harsh I know .

I don't know if the sentence in this case is reasonable according to the law or not, but let me tell you what I do know.

I have attended al anon meetings for over 30 years. I know about Alcoholism. I know about Alcoholics. I have known and loved a few. I imagine we all have had an addict somewhere close to us in our lives. I know that some experts think alcoholism is a disease and some do not. I really don't know what I think, but here is what I DO know. Addiction causes diseases like high blood pressure, heart trouble, liver disease and the list goes on. Addiction causes broken people, broken homes and broken relationships. Addictions cost a lot of money, not just to the addict but to our entire economy.

I also know about being an enabler. I have been one but not so much any more. I know that addicts don't need sympathy. Sympathy only enables them. Addicts don't need excuses made for them. Making excuses for them only enables the behavior. Addicts don't need sympathy.......they need tough love. If you are an enabler, you are part of the problem.

100% correct. Also the same with gamblers. They are enabled by family members that make excuses for them. They try to get over on other people people too. When their options start to run dry, they become con artists.

The only way for them to get help is to get tough love and hit rock bottom. Only then, they have a chance to redeem themselves, to become productive members of society.

Peggy seems to have some deep rooted problems that need professional help.
Until she accepts her actions into what her consequences will be, then she will at least have a chance for recovery. Getting a DUI once is not good, but to be drunk two weeks after is stupidity. Stupid is, as stupid does.

Getting the police involved three times for her behavior, cannot be excused by her family or others.

No excuses, just results is what she needs to do. Do the right thing!!!!

[zonerboy]

Being sympathetic does not make one an enabler.
Thinking a six month jail sentence is too harsh does not make one an enabler either.
I have asked before and have not received an answer: what does serving 6 months in jail do to help this woman's problem which many have identified as alcoholism or addiction.
It has been said that "tough love" and "hitting rock bottom" are necessary steps. Well then, how about a 12 month jail sentence. Maybe that would be better since it would be twice as rock bottom.
What about a six month suspended sentence conditional upon enrollment in and continued attendance at an alcoholism treatment program?

[KeepingItReal]

prison :: The purpose of imprisonment -- Encyclopedia Britannica (http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/477205/prison/272178/The-purpose-of-imprisonment)

The purpose of imprisonment:

There are a number of accepted reasons for the use of imprisonment.

One approach aims to deter those who would otherwise commit crimes (general deterrence) and to make it less likely that those who serve a prison sentence will commit crimes after their release (individual deterrence).

A second approach focuses on issuing punishment to, or obtaining retribution from, those who have committed serious crimes.

A third approach encourages the personal reform of those who are sent to prison. Finally, in some cases it is necessary to protect the public from those who commit crimes—particularly from those who do so persistently. In individual cases, all or some of these justifications may apply. The increasing importance of the notion of reform has led some prison systems to be called correctional institutions.

[NoMoSno]

She violated her probation.
She took the plea deal for 6 months, rather than risk getting the 1 year typically given for violating probation, in Lady Lake.
I think the guy also got a bad deal.
He got 6 months, and fined $9000.
He was not on probation and had no prior record.
Hope they both get a early release.

[Bonanza]

Whew! I feel much safer now. Much less chance of seeing any exposed genitals in my wanderings about The Villages.
Wouldn't want any grand kids to be scarred for life by seeing human body parts.

If your grandchildren are teenagers, they wouldn't be shocked or scarred for life.
Kids today know more and have seen more than most of us.

If your grandchildren are really young, they would have been in bed,
so there would not have been any chance that could have seen any of the "act."

Then -- there's always a chance that they could walk in without knocking,
and find you naked.
Would they then be scarred for life???

[LI SNOWBIRD]

She's made youtube
Grandma Will Spend 6 Months In Jail For Public Sex - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=RbOwSN5ji1A)

[Taltarzac725]

https://www.leg.state.nv.us/NRS/NRS-201.html#NRS201Sec210

I was wondering how this would play out in Reno, Nevada where I grew up. I expect if they did this in a Reno park at 10:30 PM, where kids probably would not be around but might be it would have a similar result as the one in the Villages.

[Chi-Town]

https://www.leg.state.nv.us/NRS/NRS-201.html#NRS201Sec210

I was wondering how this would play out in Reno, Nevada where I grew up. I expect if they did this in a Reno park at 10:30 PM, where kids probably would not be around but might be it would have a similar result as the one in the Villages.
You obviously never watched Reno 911. [emoji6]

[dirtbanker]

If your grandchildren are teenagers, they wouldn't be shocked or scarred for life.
Kids today know more and have seen more than most of us.

If your grandchildren are really young, they would have been in bed,
so there would not have been any chance that could have seen any of the "act."

Then -- there's always a chance that they could walk in without knocking,
and find you naked.
Would they then be scarred for life???

Sex fest at Bonanza's patio, everyone is invited, don't worry about the kids they either have seen more than you or should be in bed...

Coffee clutch the next morning where idiots that are too stupid to lock the bedroom door when having sex in a house with children are welcome to share experiences...:a20:

[Taltarzac725]

You obviously never watched Reno 911. [emoji6]

Actually, I have. I was looking for scenes from Reno but think that most of that is filmed actually in Southern CA. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0370194/locations?ref_=tt_dt_dt

I never met any cops like those in Reno, Nevada. ;) Not that I met all that many. I did read the Reno newspaper for years, however, and do not remember any of these kind of shenanigans.

[Abster]

https://www.leg.state.nv.us/NRS/NRS-201.html#NRS201Sec210

I was wondering how this would play out in Reno, Nevada where I grew up. I expect if they did this in a Reno park at 10:30 PM, where kids probably would not be around but might be it would have a similar result as the one in the Villages. Who cares how this would play out anywhere. It's over, done with, finished. Put it to rest and the local news, Daily Mail, Drudge Report and all the others will also.

[manaboutown]

This is being laughed about in various other retirement communities. I know because I am getting emails from friends who reside in them linking me to news articles and jokes. Like the STD thing, this may take awhile before it dies down and out due to the natural ever diminishing loss of interest experienced by most such news.

[red tail]

This is being laughed about in various other retirement communities. I know because I am getting emails from friends who reside in them linking me to news articles and jokes. Like the STD thing, this may take awhile before it dies down and out due to the natural ever diminishing loss of interest experienced by most such news.

I don't have a problem at all with it. it beats living in a community of old people sitting around in a rocking chair and gossiping about each other. growing old bored and in perceived life without sin and pleasure. you can have that,I prefer lively people around me having a good time. life is waaay too short to worry about what your neighbors are doing.

[Patty55]

Upthread someone posted a link that this all started because some busybody(IMO) witnessed it and called law enforcement. ARE YOU KIDDING ME? What a tattle tale. If I were out and saw it the most I'd do is say "Whoa, check it out." to my friend. Where are these people from, Mayberry?

If I were Ms Klemm I would have insisted in a trial, just to see who these people were. I also would have had an attorney who didn't look like a fakatke

Oh, and another thing, I'm so tired of people pulling out the kid card. If the child sees something like this it seems like a good time to have a chat. Explain what they saw. I have explained much worse than this... why people have powder on their nose and boogers on their shirt, why people are out and about with someone not their wife. In this case I would have said that this woman took her good china to a picnic and we just don't do that.

[dave from deland]

If I was the prosecutor I would change my name.

. She was on probation for another crime, the sentence was appropriate to me. Probation means, you walk the straight and narrow until it is over. Maybe she will get help now.

[KeepingItReal]

She was on probation for another crime, the sentence was appropriate to me. Probation means, you walk the straight and narrow until it is over. Maybe she will get help now.

Totally appropriate. Sentences serve as punishment and a deterrent for others. Concept is apparently really hard to grasp. Driving drunk alone should be worth 180 days and you would not have 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th + repeat offenders.

[CFrance]

Upthread someone posted a link that this all started because some busybody(IMO) witnessed it and called law enforcement. ARE YOU KIDDING ME? What a tattle tale. If I were out and saw it the most I'd do is say "Whoa, check it out." to my friend. Where are these people from, Mayberry?

If I were Ms Klemm I would have insisted in a trial, just to see who these people were. I also would have had an attorney who didn't look like a fakatke

Oh, and another thing, I'm so tired of people pulling out the kid card. If the child sees something like this it seems like a good time to have a chat. Explain what they saw. I have explained much worse than this... why people have powder on their nose and boogers on their shirt, why people are out and about with someone not their wife. In this case I would have said that this woman took her good china to a picnic and we just don't do that.

I so agree with you. But what is a fakatke? I know it's a word. I've googled it but can't find a definition.

[blmarie]

Exactly what I believe! Too much time for too little crime. Go get the ones who get away and save us some money with these two by having them do community service!

[Chi-Town]

Upthread someone posted a link that this all started because some busybody(IMO) witnessed it and called law enforcement. ARE YOU KIDDING ME? What a tattle tale. If I were out and saw it the most I'd do is say "Whoa, check it out." to my friend. Where are these people from, Mayberry?

If I were Ms Klemm I would have insisted in a trial, just to see who these people were. I also would have had an attorney who didn't look like a fakatke

Oh, and another thing, I'm so tired of people pulling out the kid card. If the child sees something like this it seems like a good time to have a chat. Explain what they saw. I have explained much worse than this... why people have powder on their nose and boogers on their shirt, why people are out and about with someone not their wife. In this case I would have said that this woman took her good china to a picnic and we just don't do that.
A post that holds your interest. Well done and thanks.

[VT2TV]

I agree that now that this has been settled--just let it drop. It doesn't matter anymore whether you agree or disagree with anything. It is done, let it die.
You will not accomplish anything by continuing to talk about it.

[DougB]

I so agree with you. But what is a fakatke? I know it's a word. I've googled it but can't find a definition.

Lousy, messed up, full of crap

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Upthread someone posted a link that this all started because some busybody(IMO) witnessed it and called law enforcement. ARE YOU KIDDING ME? What a tattle tale. If I were out and saw it the most I'd do is say "Whoa, check it out." to my friend. Where are these people from, Mayberry?

If I were Ms Klemm I would have insisted in a trial, just to see who these people were. I also would have had an attorney who didn't look like a fakatke

Oh, and another thing, I'm so tired of people pulling out the kid card. If the child sees something like this it seems like a good time to have a chat. Explain what they saw. I have explained much worse than this... why people have powder on their nose and boogers on their shirt, why people are out and about with someone not their wife. In this case I would have said that this woman took her good china to a picnic and we just don't do that.

She didn't have a trial because she had been advised by her lawyer that she would lose and the sentence would have been a lot worse. Lawyers usually have a good grasp on these things.

Also, because they were still at it when LE arrived it was witnessed by the police so whoever called would not be required to testify. In fact the police may not even know who called.

[CFrance]

Lousy, messed up, full of crap
Merci buckets.

[Patty55]

I so agree with you. But what is a fakatke? I know it's a word. I've googled it but can't find a definition.

My bad, it might be spelled facacta. My definition.. (here come the ###s LOL), ****ty, ineffective, a sloppy mess, tacky and ridiculous.

[CFrance]

My bad, it might be spelled facacta. My definition.. (here come the ###s LOL), ****ty, ineffective, a sloppy mess, tacky and ridiculous.
Thanks. I think you had one of the correct spellings of it. A great new word for me.

[DougB]

It's yiddish and is spelled a multiple of ways. Don't think there is one "correct" spelling.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Being sympathetic does not make one an enabler.
Thinking a six month jail sentence is too harsh does not make one an enabler either.
I have asked before and have not received an answer: what does serving 6 months in jail do to help this woman's problem which many have identified as alcoholism or addiction.
It has been said that "tough love" and "hitting rock bottom" are necessary steps. Well then, how about a 12 month jail sentence. Maybe that would be better since it would be twice as rock bottom.
What about a six month suspended sentence conditional upon enrollment in and continued attendance at an alcoholism treatment program?

And I think that your question has been answered by me and some other people. Sentences are given not only to help the person, but to punish them. It also may serve as a deterrent to others who may contemplate the same behaviour. If it were just the public sex act I think that she might have gotten off with less, but the fact that she was on probation made it that much worse. The court may have been trying to send a message to others who may be tempted to violate their probation.

The judge heard all the facts. Her lawyer and the prosecuting attorney heard all of the facts and worked out a deal to let her off easy. They are the ones who understand what sentence is appropriate under law and under the sentencing guidelines. They don;t just pull these things out of a hat.

[zonerboy]

Taking a case to trial costs big bucks. Maybe she accepted the plea deal cause she couldn't afford any further lawyer bills.
The wealthy who can afford expert lawyers get better justice than regular people. Just ask OJ Simpson.

[manaboutown]

The plea bargain saved the taxpayers a bundle. She did the crime(s), let her do the time.

[DougB]

Geez, let it go. It's over and done.

[manaboutown]

Yes. It is over for now. Hopefully there will be no encore - by Peggy and David or another pair of paramours.

[Bizdoc]

Yes. It is over for now. Hopefully there will be no encore - by Peggy and David or another pair of paramours.

And if you happen to see someone else, be sure to go up, tap one of them on the shoulder and suggest that they are gonna get arrested. Be sure to let us know how that works out.

[Bay Kid]

A waste of taxpayers money.

[Taltarzac725]

Taking a case to trial costs big bucks. Maybe she accepted the plea deal cause she couldn't afford any further lawyer bills.
The wealthy who can afford expert lawyers get better justice than regular people. Just ask OJ Simpson.

Yes, but then there are George Zimmerman and Casey Anthony. Some lawyers like a challenging case and the publicity it gives them and their firms if they have one.

I do still think that justice comes down to whom the jury believe, so to even things out we need more sophisticated members of the jury who know all the tricks of the trade and are not easily manipulated. We had classes at the University of Minnesota Law School that pretty much taught trial lawyers trade craft. Like Irving Younger's various courses online. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBP2if0l-a8 More magician or theater director than someone out to get the best outcome based on the law and the facts of each case. That's our adversary system. It works if the lawyers and more importantly the press on them is fair and balanced. OJ Simpson had the dream team even if they were supposedly bickering in the background and then putting on a game day face.

I could not get into Irving Younger's "Evidence" Class at the University of Minnesota Law School. Too popular and the 3rd Years who had not taken an Evidence class yet got first dibs. And, he died while I was at the University of Minnesota Law School. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irving_Younger

[The Mountaineer]

And I think that your question has been answered by me and some other people. Sentences are given not only to help the person, but to punish them. It also may serve as a deterrent to others who may contemplate the same behaviour. If it were just the public sex act I think that she might have gotten off with less, but the fact that she was on probation made it that much worse. The court may have been trying to send a message to others who may be tempted to violate their probation.

The judge heard all the facts. Her lawyer and the prosecuting attorney heard all of the facts and worked out a deal to let her off easy. They are the ones who understand what sentence is appropriate under law and under the sentencing guidelines. They don;t just pull these things out of a hat.

somehow she gets rehab help and can get this monkey off her back. She is ill, the same as someone with cancer. But she has to be the first to seek the help, unfortunately, or it won't work. Maybe this will shock her into seeking help. Drying out in jail is an involuntary way to go cold turkey. It's brutal, but maybe it will save the rest of her life. Let's pray for her, not condemn her.

[CFrance]

somehow she gets rehab help and can get this monkey off her back. She is ill, the same as someone with cancer. But she has to be the first to seek the help, unfortunately, or it won't work. Maybe this will shock her into seeking help. Drying out in jail is an involuntary way to go cold turkey. It's brutal, but maybe it will save the rest of her life. Let's pray for her, not condemn her.
Great post. Thank you. I was thinking the same thing. Six months could spur her on to recovery.

[manaboutown]

In a survey of 88,000 U.S. physicians 75% believed alcoholism is due to personal and emotional problems. Cancer is scientifically proven to be a disease. Alcoholism is only sociologically considered to be a disease, largely through the efforts of AA. It is a behavioral problem, a moral disorder.

http://www2.potsdam.edu/alcohol/Controversies/Is-Alcoholism-a-Disease.html#.U97jUaXfQfE

[Taltarzac725]

In a survey of 88,000 U.S. physicians 75% believed alcoholism is due to personal and emotional problems. Cancer is scientifically proven to be a disease. Alcoholism is only sociologically considered to be a disease, largely through the efforts of AA. It is a behavioral problem, a moral disorder.

Is Alcoholism a Disease? (http://www2.potsdam.edu/alcohol/Controversies/Is-Alcoholism-a-Disease.html#.U97jUaXfQfE)

What about this then-- Alcohol Use Disorders | National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism (NIAAA) (http://www.niaaa.nih.gov/alcohol-health/overview-alcohol-consumption/alcohol-use-disorders)

[mtdjed]

This person obviously had problems but the publicity is way out of order and the sentence seems to be extremely severe when you look at other things happening. Why do we continue this thread? All has been said, the world knows due to Drudge Report etc. Let it rest and don't cast stones. Notice no discussion regarding the man. Remember that this person must come back and try to reestablish herself with family and friends. Are we putting a Scarlet Letter on her?

[Jaggy]

This person obviously had problems but the publicity is way out of order and the sentence seems to be extremely severe when you look at other things happening. Why do we continue this thread? All has been said, the world knows due to Drudge Report etc. Let it rest and don't cast stones. Notice no discussion regarding the man. Remember that this person must come back and try to reestablish herself with family and friends. Are we putting a Scarlet Letter on her?

We need a like button .. thanks for the common sense post.

[BnCinME]

What about this then-- Alcohol Use Disorders | National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism (NIAAA) (http://www.niaaa.nih.gov/alcohol-health/overview-alcohol-consumption/alcohol-use-disorders)

Yes. And it's also listed in the DSM IV. Alcoholism is a horrible disease and I hope she can find peace and the strength to overcome it. :pray:
I vote for being supportive rather than condemnation.

[Penguin]

Mr Moderator time to put this to rest already. How much can you beat up drunken older people having sex in a public place.:police:

[Barefoot]

This person obviously had problems but the publicity is way out of order and the sentence seems to be extremely severe when you look at other things happening. Why do we continue this thread? All has been said, the world knows due to Drudge Report etc. Let it rest and don't cast stones. Notice no discussion regarding the man. Remember that this person must come back and try to reestablish herself with family and friends. Are we putting a Scarlet Letter on her?

Publicity is way out of order, sentence is extremely severe.
I agree, let it rest, don't cast stones, have compassion.

[KeepingItReal]

For starters if they have not already Red Sauce should remove the drink they named after this incident.

Second maybe all the bars and liquor sellers will start a fund to pay for some help for her to recover from alcohol abuse, think that will happen?