466A to 301

[richhor]

I have lived here for the last three years and for the life of me I can't figure out why the connection from 466A to 301 in Wildwood can't get finished. There must be some crazy reason for having 466A closed so long.

[villagetinker]

Amen! We moved in last October just a work started. As I recall it was supposed to be completed in 1 year. Last I heard was December.....

[dewilson58]

Keeping Villager drivers out of WW.

[Indydealmaker]

I have lived here for the last three years and for the life of me I can't figure out why the connection from 466A to 301 in Wildwood can't get finished. There must be some crazy reason for having 466A closed so long.

You are just spoiled. You are too used to projects managed by The Villages being finished before they are even started. :1rotfl:

[applesoffh]

Some of the ladies at the Wildwood post office live in that area and said that the construction has stopped because of lawsuits from homeowners regarding property damage. Cars seem to be able to go down to a certain point now, but the area surrounding the intersection hasn't been touched in months. Since they live in that area they might be on to something. Perhaps someone at Wildwood City Hall has a more definitive answer.

In the meantime, take Powell to Huey Street and make a right, or take 44A into Wildwood. Both will take you to 301 or the shopping mall there. Very easy.

[Shimpy]

You are just spoiled. You are too used to projects managed by The Villages being finished before they are even started. :1rotfl:

This is true.....If that short section of road was done by Villages crews it would be done in a month. Apparently they are using the same people that did 441/27 and took several years.

[LndLocked]

Their is a MAJOR difference in putting in underground infrastructure and building roads in basically virgin land, that was only ever used to grow hay .... and trying to deal with multiple property owners and finding that existing underground utilities are not where they are shown to be on the prints of previous construction.

Road construction crew NEVER know what they are actually going to find once they start digging and every found unknown is a delay.

[richhor]

The Super Dome was built in less time and that is in the heart of a major city!!!!

[Cisco Kid]

If dogs are allowed in cars that use that road I am not going to drive one it. :cus:

[yabbadu]

Ten Miles plus of Freeway could be built up North in half the time as this project!

[nkrifats]

Ten Miles plus of Freeway could be built up North in half the time as this project!

I don't think so!

[slipcovers]

I don't think so!

You took the words right out of my mouth.

[cattywampus]

The Super Dome was built in less time and that is in the heart of a major city!!!!

HUH ????.

Uncle B. started construction on August 11 1971.
Finished in August 1975...Took 4 years to build The Superdome.

It Opened 7 months after Super Bowl 9 was scheduled to be played there.

Estimated to cost $ 46 Million...ACTUAL total cost came in at $ 165 Million.

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[justjim]

Some of the ladies at the Wildwood post office live in that area and said that the construction has stopped because of lawsuits from homeowners regarding property damage. Cars seem to be able to go down to a certain point now, but the area surrounding the intersection hasn't been touched in months. Since they live in that area they might be on to something. Perhaps someone at Wildwood City Hall has a more definitive answer.

In the meantime, take Powell to Huey Street and make a right, or take 44A into Wildwood. Both will take you to 301 or the shopping mall there. Very easy.

"Lawsuits from property owners" should not stop construction at this point in time. There must be other problems---such as contractor bankruptcy. Not a major problem as pointed out that there are alternative roads into Wildwood.

[dbussone]

If dogs are allowed in cars that use that road I am not going to drive one it. :cus:


What if they are approved by the Feds as therapy dogs?

[dbussone]

HUH ????.



Uncle B. started construction on August 11 1971.

Finished in August 1975...Took 4 years to build The Superdome.



It Opened 7 months after Super Bowl 9 was scheduled to be played there.



Estimated to cost $ 46 Million...ACTUAL total cost came in at $ 165 Million.



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If you like to talk about delays, let's discuss the Big Dig - Al least 15 years and $18B over budget, and still not right.

[dolpterry]

There was a 3 month delay because of right of way zoning. The main problem was moving the gas lines. Should be done by March.

[dbussone]

There was a 3 month delay because of right of way zoning. The main problem was moving the gas lines. Should be done by March.

What year? :jester:

[Chazz]

What year? :jester:

Beat me to the punch! :sad:

[dbussone]

Beat me to the punch! :sad:

Sorry. You can have the next one. Right!

[Wandatime]

I just go up Huey. No big whoop.

[CFrance]

If dogs are allowed in cars that use that road I am not going to drive one it. :cus:
There's a FL law that if a road applies for a permit and meets certain criteria, dogs can ride in cars on that road. You'll have to use the one next to it!

[Buffalo Jim]

There's a FL law that if a road applies for a permit and meets certain criteria, dogs can ride in cars on that road. You'll have to use the one next to it!

I thought that I read that law as requiring that if one or more dogs are in a car being driven on that road then a dog must be driving said car .

[CFrance]

I thought that I read that law as requiring that if one or more dogs are in a car being driven on that road then a dog must be driving said car .
:1rotfl:And it has to be at least 18 or be driving with an adult dog.

[LuckySevens]

This post has gone to the dogs!!! lol
On a serious note, what baffles me is if they weren't going to work on the road, why not remove the orange cones and let us drive on it until they get the problems straightened out. ARRRGG!

[CFrance]

This post has gone to the dogs!!! lol
On a serious note, what baffles me is if they weren't going to work on the road, why not remove the orange cones and let us drive on it until they get the problems straightened out. ARRRGG!
Wait... you're having a logic attack.

[jblum315]

If it's taking this long to fix 466A into Wildwood, I can't imagine how long it will take to widen 466A from TV out to 441/27. I probably will not live to see it finished.

[l2ridehd]

466A will be widened by TV for the area from Colony just past where TV of Fruitland Park ends. So that will go quick. The county will widen it from where TV ends to where the 45 mph ends. For the remainder out to 441, the funds have not even been approved yet. So that will take close to forever.

As for the part going from TV to 301, it is the same contractor who did the 441 project. So expect that to be done 2 weeks after hell freezes over.

I feel sorry for the business impact. I used to eat breakfast at the Coffee House a lot. But because of the challenge in getting there I go to Fruitland Park Cafe now. I just hope they don't screw them both up to the point I have to find a Villages option for breakfast.

[shcisamax]

If it's taking this long to fix 466A into Wildwood, I can't imagine how long it will take to widen 466A from TV out to 441/27. I probably will not live to see it finished.

Kind of what I was thinking. Although, maybe because TV is building all those houses and wants buyers to feel things run smoothly in that area, they might help things along...gifting is a wonderful thing.

[Bizdoc]

Construction (in various waves) of the mixing bowl in No Virginia stretch from around 1964 until 2005 or 2006. provided work for 3 generations of highway engineers.

Maybe WW is trying to match that record...

Actually, the city council was busy trying to prevent TV from taking away their jobs by trying to change the city charter and create districts based on where each current member lives. No time left for silly road problems.

[tomwed]

My guess is that it will be done when the five banks are done.

[Bobcuse]

466A will be widened by TV for the area from Colony just past where TV of Fruitland Park ends. So that will go quick. The county will widen it from where TV ends to where the 45 mph ends. For the remainder out to 441, the funds have not even been approved yet. So that will take close to forever.

As for the part going from TV to 301, it is the same contractor who did the 441 project. So expect that to be done 2 weeks after hell freezes over.

I feel sorry for the business impact. I used to eat breakfast at the Coffee House a lot. But because of the challenge in getting there I go to Fruitland Park Cafe now. I just hope they don't screw them both up to the point I have to find a Villages option for breakfast.

I may be wrong but as I recall the plan for widening 466A to 441 starts with construction as you indicated from Colony to just past the Micro Track Rd, then Lake County starts at the other end at 441 and comes toward the Villages but stops approx 1/2 mile short of the initial construction from Colony. That 1/2 mile in between has not been funded. Either way, this looks like a disaster.

[Indydealmaker]

It is not uncommon in Florida for the county to steer most road construction to one favored contractor.

That contractor starts work on one stretch, then moves on to another and then another. He goes through the funds and cannot afford to finish what he starts, so the county awards another contract so he can use the funds for previously awarded and unfinished work. And so on and so on.

It is a never ending cycle of ineptitude entirely endorsed by elected officials.

[Shimpy]

There was a 3 month delay because of right of way zoning.

I don't understand all I know about this stuff, but isn't all that suppose to be taken care of in the planning before dirt is even broken?

[JoMar]

Ten Miles plus of Freeway could be built up North in half the time as this project!

Not sure where you live but in PA 10 miles of freeway takes a minimum of 4-5 years...if the weather is good and their isn't an annual budget fight. And then there is the resurfacing required 4 years after completion.

[tomwed]

Route 80 is 300 miles long in PA. I guess construction can move more quickly when they want it to. I couldn't find out how long that took to build, but it's a remarkable accomplishment.

[Jim 9922]

It is not uncommon in Florida for the county to steer most road construction to one favored contractor.

That contractor starts work on one stretch, then moves on to another and then another. He goes through the funds and cannot afford to finish what he starts, so the county awards another contract so he can use the funds for previously awarded and unfinished work. And so on and so on.

It is a never ending cycle of ineptitude entirely endorsed by elected officials.



No system of percentage of completion draws, no retainage percentage until final approval of the contract, no deadline penalties????. If all that is true, here is great fodder for Lauren Ritchie and her "investigative column". It is almost criminal not to include and enforce these in construction contracts.:22yikes:

[KYDIANA12]

This road needs to be completed and take the heavy traffic off the bypass road. We have been here 2 1/2 years and it closed shortly after we moved in. This is extremely SLOW construction and The Villages should push for this to be completed!

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

There's a FL law that if a road applies for a permit and meets certain criteria, dogs can ride in cars on that road. You'll have to use the one next to it!

How, exactly, does a road apply for a permit?

I can just picture a big slab of asphalt standing in line at City Hall.

[CFrance]

How, exactly, does a road apply for a permit?

I can just picture a big slab of asphalt standing in line at City Hall.
Indeed. And how exactly does a dog drive?

[tomwed]

Indeed. And how exactly does a dog drive?I googled it. Fox shows how they do it in New Zealand: click here (http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/animals/stories/dogs-being-trained-to-drive-cars-in-new-zealand-video)
My dog would chase his tail. Which might be good training for the circles.

[Bonny]

What if they are approved by the Feds as therapy dogs?
You never know ! If something happens, the dog might have to take over and drive the car. :loco:

[dbussone]

You never know ! If something happens, the dog might have to take over and drive the car. :loco:


Great comeback!

[tomwed]

You never know ! If something happens, the dog might have to take over and drive the car. :loco:
I hope not. My dog is a terrible driver. If he sees a cat on the way to the hospital, I'm doomed.

[CFrance]

I love this thread!

[CFrance]

I googled it. Fox shows how they do it in New Zealand: click here (http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/animals/stories/dogs-being-trained-to-drive-cars-in-new-zealand-video)
My dog would chase his tail. Which might be good training for the circles.
That dog's a teenage boy! He spends as much time looking out the side window as he does looking where he's going.:22yikes:

Good Gawd, I remember that whole year our younger son was 15 and I had to ride everywhere with him. I still have nightmares. ARRRRRRRRRRRGHHH... Oh, sorry. Off topic.

[tomwed]

I asked my dog for a ride this morning. He told me to take the Greyhound.

[CFrance]

I asked my dog for a ride this morning. He told me to take the Greyhound.
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh... :doh:

[Bonny]

I asked my dog for a ride this morning. He told me to take the Greyhound.
:1rotfl:

[CFrance]

Well, I asked my dog to take me somewhere today and he told me no, he's only a retriever.

[Bonny]

Well, I asked my dog to take me somewhere today and he told me no, he's only a retriever.
Well if you can get a ride, your dog can come and pick you up. ;)

[tomwed]

Forget the retriever, I like to think of my self as a real go getter. In the morning I take my wife to work and later I go get her.

[Bonny]

Forget the retriever, I like to think of my self as a real go getter. In the morning I take my wife to work and later I go get her.
Oh, I see.... Your dog taught you how to fetch !! :pepper2:

[tomwed]

Sort of, but that wasn't my first dog. When I was a kid I had a 3 legged dog named "Skippy".

[Bonny]

Sort of, but that wasn't my first dog. When I was a kid I had a 3 legged dog named "Skippy".
I wonder if he was any relation to my 2 legged dog, Hopper !!

[Bonny]

Okay, I think we got a little off topic. ;)

[tomwed]

[just one more---and it's been fun, i've been laughing off and on for 2 days]
I had a two legged dog too, named Eileen.

[Hankg42]

Topic veers farther off course...

I thought Eileen was Ben Dover's wife's name. :-)

[kcrazorbackfan]

It is not uncommon in Florida for the county to steer most road construction to one favored contractor.

That contractor starts work on one stretch, then moves on to another and then another. He goes through the funds and cannot afford to finish what he starts, so the county awards another contract so he can use the funds for previously awarded and unfinished work. And so on and so on.

It is a never ending cycle of ineptitude entirely endorsed by elected officials.

But, doesn't that occur everywhere??? :(

[dbussone]

It is not uncommon in Florida for the county to steer most road construction to one favored contractor.



That contractor starts work on one stretch, then moves on to another and then another. He goes through the funds and cannot afford to finish what he starts, so the county awards another contract so he can use the funds for previously awarded and unfinished work. And so on and so on.



It is a never ending cycle of ineptitude entirely endorsed by elected officials.



But, doesn't that occur everywhere??? :(


Including all the states I have lived in, including: ME, MA, TN, Fl, GA, MS, NC, NV

[champion6]

I see a notice on Wildwood's website which says the widening of 466A from Powell Road to 301 should be completed by April 2015.

[Shimpy]

I see a notice on Wildwood's website which says the widening of 466A from Powell Road to 301 should be completed by April 2015.

I believe the first estimate was Oct or Nov 2014. Now April 2015. I'll place my bet on Dec 2015. Good thing this contractor isn't building an interstate hwy from Fla. to Calif.

[villagetinker]

Probably April 1st................

[Wandatime]

Indeed. And how exactly does a dog drive?

With his dangling chad, of course. :laugh:

[2BNTV]

And how exactly does a dog drive?

I don't know but I did ask my dog to take me to my doctor's appointment, as he is a better driver. :D

[dadspet]

This is a crazy situation can't believe it nothing is happening on this road for over a year now that we can see

[twoplanekid]

466A to Wildwood will reopen this Monday, April 20th 2015 for those driving cars, trucks or bicycles.

[NYGUY]

Will wonders never cease!!

[Ragman]

The reason for the delay was substandard pipes and drains were found after the site was excavated. The proper decision was made to replace these while the work was ongoing rather than wait and in a few years tear everything up again.

This was reported several times by several news sources.

[dbussone]

466A to Wildwood will reopen this Monday, April 20th 2015 for those driving cars, trucks or bicycles.


Are the other modes of transportation e.g. Motorcycles banned? ::jester::

[Beechie]

I believe the first estimate was Oct or Nov 2014. Now April 2015. I'll place my bet on Dec 2015. Good thing this contractor isn't building an interstate hwy from Fla. to Calif.

Looks like Shimpy is going to lose a bet.