NYPD - avoiding minor offenses

[surething]

Is anyone surprised about this? Perhaps one of the underlying motivations of some of the Ferguson and related protests might be to manipulate or suppress the "system" - or a free-for-all on crime, etc.?
Anarchy to go?





Wary NYPD cops letting minor crimes slide | New York Post (http://nypost.com/2014/12/29/wary-cops-letting-minor-offenses-slide/)

[karostay]

Thought this was about the Pizza Place

[blueash]

Or maybe the police have always failed to address crime when it didn't fit their schedule or their purposes. This isn't new. There has been blue flu for a long time. There has been animosity between the police union and every NYC mayor.

And there is this:
NYPD Tapes 3: A Detective Comes Forward About Downgraded Sexual Assaults | Village Voice (http://www.villagevoice.com/2010-06-08/news/nypd-tapes-3-detective-comes-forward-downgrading-rape/) showing downgrading rape crimes.

And this
Cop ordered in secret recording to stop-and-frisk young blacks males - NY Daily News (http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ordered-secret-recording-stop-and-frisk-young-blacks-males-article-1.1295665)

And if you want to read a whistleblower's experience exposing the real world of policy in NYC, which has not really changed enough since Serpico

The NYPD Tapes: Inside Bed-Stuy's 81st Precinct | Village Voice (http://www.villagevoice.com/2010-05-04/news/the-nypd-tapes-inside-bed-stuy-s-81st-precinct/) Note the year on this is 2010.

Or read this transcript, start 1/2 way down on the second story
Transcript | This American Life (http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/414/transcript)

again, bad cops are the exception, bad supervisors are the exception, If it were always bad there would be no story. But I post these only to show that recent events didn't create a problem that wasn't already there.

[rubicon]

Is anyone surprised about this? Perhaps one of the underlying motivations of some of the Ferguson and related protests might be to manipulate or suppress the "system" - or a free-for-all on crime, etc.?
Anarchy to go?





Wary NYPD cops letting minor crimes slide | New York Post (http://nypost.com/2014/12/29/wary-cops-letting-minor-offenses-slide/)

Surething: To me it was a sure thing. I had believed that these protesters really were saying if we push hard enough we can get these cops off our backs or at least they will have to ease up. While there are always exceptions or infractions by inexperienced or over zealous police the fact is that they do a good job of protecting us and staying within regulatory bounds.

[blueash]

Is anyone surprised about this? Perhaps one of the underlying motivations of some of the Ferguson and related protests might be to manipulate or suppress the "system" - or a free-for-all on crime, etc.?
Anarchy to go?

Do you believe that the protestors in Missouri got together and said,
"you know, if we have protests then maybe the cops in NYC won't write as many tickets" ? You might have one piece right. I do suspect that an underlying motivation was to suppress those elements of the "system" that the protestors saw as excessive use of violence against black males especially. And that they may have been motivated by their feeling, their perception that the "system" is unequal in its application of justice. Maybe those motivations were more important than the image you have fabricated of a hope of protestors for a free for all on crime.

[Rags123]

Or maybe the police have always failed to address crime when it didn't fit their schedule or their purposes. This isn't new. There has been blue flu for a long time. There has been animosity between the police union and every NYC mayor.

And there is this:
NYPD Tapes 3: A Detective Comes Forward About Downgraded Sexual Assaults | Village Voice (http://www.villagevoice.com/2010-06-08/news/nypd-tapes-3-detective-comes-forward-downgrading-rape/) showing downgrading rape crimes.

And this
Cop ordered in secret recording to stop-and-frisk young blacks males - NY Daily News (http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ordered-secret-recording-stop-and-frisk-young-blacks-males-article-1.1295665)

And if you want to read a whistleblower's experience exposing the real world of policy in NYC, which has not really changed enough since Serpico

The NYPD Tapes: Inside Bed-Stuy's 81st Precinct | Village Voice (http://www.villagevoice.com/2010-05-04/news/the-nypd-tapes-inside-bed-stuy-s-81st-precinct/) Note the year on this is 2010.

Or read this transcript, start 1/2 way down on the second story
Transcript | This American Life (http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/414/transcript)

again, bad cops are the exception, bad supervisors are the exception, If it were always bad there would be no story. But I post these only to show that recent events didn't create a problem that wasn't already there.

IF you read the link, you would find it was out of fear that they are overlooking some things...

"I’m not writing any summonses. Do you think I’m going to stand there so someone can shoot me or hit me in the head with an ax?” One cop said Sunday, referring to the Dec. 20 slayings and another recent attack on the NYPD.

“I’m concerned about my safety,” the cop added. “I want to go to home to my wife and kids.”

The shooting in Los Angeles last night on a patrol car simply compounds the fear

NOBODY that I am aware of, on this forum or otherwise has even attempted to paint the police as perfect...not one, yet some continue to try and emphasize only the negative while they get shot at.

Just makes me wonder the motivation !!!

I forgot, a patrol car in Pasco County was also shot at last evening.

Now, there is more motivation to point out anything negative about cops. Seems that the more they are attacked, the more we hear of any misadventures of police. Again, have not heard one single person try to paint any police department as anything but human and making errors. BUT, makes sense to condemn them more while they are down...is that the game ??

[surething]

Taking the temperature of this movement:

Some highlights:


STOP - STOP AND FRISK! NO MORE MARIJUANA BUSTS! THE WAR ON DRUGS IS A WAR ON THE PEOPLE! STOP MASS INCARCERATION—WE’RE BETTER THAN THAT! -

See more at: | The Stop Mass Incarceration Network (http://www.stopmassincarceration.net/about#sthash.6YvhdXAc.dpuf)


| The Stop Mass Incarceration Network (http://www.stopmassincarceration.net/about)

https://corporatewhoredomsandtheamericankleptocracy.wordpr ess.com/2014/12/02/message-from-the-stop-mass-incarceration-network/

SOME HIGHLIGHTS FROM THE ABOVE LINK:

"Right now isn’t the time to go for revolution, but now is the time to build up the forces for revolution so that when the time comes, when the rulers are deep enough in trouble and when people can’t go on living like this anymore, we’ll be ready and in position right to seize power from the capitalist blood-suckers and build a whole new world. Storms that will rock the U.S. global empire are gonna come; but will WE be ready to seize the opportunity for emancipation when it comes along? Will there be a force hastening that time, shaping it, and preparing for it? That’s what we have to be thinking about and working to realize. That’s a big, big part of what the Revolutionary Communist Party (RCP) is all about.

So as we continue to mobilize resistance that involves broader sections of people, everybody who hates the reality that Black people playing with toy guns or walking in dark hallways or just existing are risking their lives needs to check out and get with the revolution. Go to the website: revcom.us. Read BAsics and other writings by Bob Avakian, the leader of the revolution. Watch the Dialogue between Cornel West and Bob Avakian. And run with the movement for revolution the RCP is building as it fights the power, and transforms the people, for revolution.

ESCALATE THE STRUGGLE TO STOP POLICE MURDER!

FIGHT THE POWER, AND TRANSFORM THE PEOPLE, FOR REVOLUTION

SOME PLANNED EVENTS IN N.Y. New Year's + Philiadelphia + Detroit + San Diego + +

Ferguson National Response Network (http://fergusonresponse.tumblr.com/)

[Rags123]

" Two Los Angeles police officers were shot at Sunday night while they drove their patrol car in the southern part of the city, police said. The officers returned fire, authorities said, and no one was injured.

And there was a second incident over the weekend in which police were fired at, this one in Florida on Sunday morning. Someone fired three bullets at two deputies with the Pasco County Sheriff's Office as they sat in their patrol car."

Officers shot at in Florida and Los Angeles - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/29/justice/police-shot-at/)

The Revolution Communist Party of the United States (revcom.com) who supports, and actually paid for most of the signs being used that bear their website address on them has a drafted constitution.

A little excert from that document...

"In order to bring this new socialist state into being, it would
be necessary to thoroughly defeat, dismantle and abolish the
capitalist-imperialist state of the USA; and this in turn would
only become possible with the development of a profound and
acute crisis in society and the emergence of a revolutionary
people, in the millions and millions, who have the leadership of
a revolutionary communist vanguard and are conscious of the
need for revolutionary change and determined to fight for it."

http://revcom.us/socialistconstitution/SocialistConstitution-en.pdf

[8notes]

Or maybe the police have always failed to address crime when it didn't fit their schedule or their purposes. This isn't new. There has been blue flu for a long time. There has been animosity between the police union and every NYC mayor.

And there is this:
NYPD Tapes 3: A Detective Comes Forward About Downgraded Sexual Assaults | Village Voice (http://www.villagevoice.com/2010-06-08/news/nypd-tapes-3-detective-comes-forward-downgrading-rape/) showing downgrading rape crimes.

And this
Cop ordered in secret recording to stop-and-frisk young blacks males - NY Daily News (http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ordered-secret-recording-stop-and-frisk-young-blacks-males-article-1.1295665)

And if you want to read a whistleblower's experience exposing the real world of policy in NYC, which has not really changed enough since Serpico

The NYPD Tapes: Inside Bed-Stuy's 81st Precinct | Village Voice (http://www.villagevoice.com/2010-05-04/news/the-nypd-tapes-inside-bed-stuy-s-81st-precinct/) Note the year on this is 2010.

Or read this transcript, start 1/2 way down on the second story
Transcript | This American Life (http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/414/transcript)

again, bad cops are the exception, bad supervisors are the exception, If it were always bad there would be no story. But I post these only to show that recent events didn't create a problem that wasn't already there.

I agree. Its well documented that race plays a role in the criminal justice system.

[fred53]

Is anyone surprised about this? Perhaps one of the underlying motivations of some of the Ferguson and related protests might be to manipulate or suppress the "system" - or a free-for-all on crime, etc.?
Anarchy to go?





Wary NYPD cops letting minor crimes slide | New York Post (http://nypost.com/2014/12/29/wary-cops-letting-minor-offenses-slide/)

I don't take anyones rumor to be the truth and since you provide no examples that can be verified it can only be assumed you posted this to cause trouble...a shame with all the real garbage going on....

[Chi-Town]

I don't take anyones rumor to be the truth and since you provide no examples that can be verified it can only be assumed you posted this to cause trouble...a shame with all the real garbage going on....
The mere fact that the OP used a tabloid as a source is usually a tell tale sign.

[tomwed]

Rupert Murdoch owns the Post. Does he own anything else?

[blueash]

IF you read the link, you would find it was out of fear that they are overlooking some things...

[B

I read the link. Do you think that the risk to life of police is so great that this fear is justified? If they are so afraid that they can't function how do the soldiers ever function in any war where the risk of casualty is so much greater? How do doctors function in Western Africa? How do lumberjacks ever work up the courage to do their jobs?
America's 10 Deadliest Jobs - Forbes (http://www.forbes.com/sites/jacquelynsmith/2013/08/22/americas-10-deadliest-jobs-2/)

Data is available for the occupational risk of various jobs.

The fatality rate (deaths per 100000 FTE) for police (all fatalities not just being shot but also crashing the car etc.) is 10.6. For Groundskeepers and lawn service supervisors it is 15.5 or 50% greater. For the fishing industry it is 75 and loggers over 90, or 900% higher than for a cop.

http://www.bls.gov/iif/oshwc/cfoi/cfoi_rates_2013hb.pdf

Over the last 10 years (04-13) there has been an average of 55 officers killed by being shot. National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund: Causes of Law Enforcement Deaths (http://www.nleomf.org/facts/officer-fatalities-data/causes.html) Those numbers are not broken down with circumstances of the shooting (shot by criminal, other officer, self inflicted). Or basically one officer a week.
For 2014 with only a few days left in the year, there have been 50 deaths from firearms. So it has not been any different than the average over the last decade.

Let me repeat, no officer in an ideal world would ever be harmed in the performance of their job. Their job has risk, but much lower than some other jobs. We don't see long processions and funerals for our loggers, and miners, and landscapers because they are not our public servants in the sense that police, fire, military are. So read that link again with the information you now have about the real risk of the citizen killing a cop. Read the links I gave on the long history of selective enforcement in NYC.

If they can't do the job because they are in fear, then they need better information, counseling, or a different job. I have never heard a firefighter say he or she can't fight the next fire when there has been a death in their ranks.

[VT2TV]

I am sure the PD would welcome advice from anyone who thinks they can do the job better. How many people on here would be willing to put their lives on the line every single day to protect strangers who hate them, but want them there when there is trouble. How many people outside the military have faced 1 or more people who has a knife or gun coming at you to hurt you when you were called to come and help them???? Well, I have, and it is downright terrifying. Your mind actually goes blank for a split second, before you can respond, and then how you respond depends upon each and every situation, because they are all different. So, forgive me for not critizing every bad reponse a cop might, because so many times they are facing the posibility of their own death. You might have a thousand good outcomes from your actions, and save the lives of hundreds of people, or maybe you have 1 bad outcome. Wanna guess which one you will be remembered for?????????????? Now, I am NOT saving that the police should have a "get out of jail" card for any bad actions. I am just saying that police are human too, and we need to think about everything before we automatically blame them. We don't know and cannot perceive their feeling when they truly are in fear of their own lives. How would we react???

[Jimturner]

And Chaos begins.

[cyrilwood]

Sharpton and DiBlasio got what they wanted- blacks killing white cops.

[gomoho]

Evidence of a further collapse of society as we know it.

[Bay Kid]

We are turning into a 3rd world country. Thank you to every policeman. Stay safe and protect.

[graciegirl]

I read the link. Do you think that the risk to life of police is so great that this fear is justified? If they are so afraid that they can't function how do the soldiers ever function in any war where the risk of casualty is so much greater? How do doctors function in Western Africa? How do lumberjacks ever work up the courage to do their jobs?
America's 10 Deadliest Jobs - Forbes (http://www.forbes.com/sites/jacquelynsmith/2013/08/22/americas-10-deadliest-jobs-2/)

Data is available for the occupational risk of various jobs.

The fatality rate (deaths per 100000 FTE) for police (all fatalities not just being shot but also crashing the car etc.) is 10.6. For Groundskeepers and lawn service supervisors it is 15.5 or 50% greater. For the fishing industry it is 75 and loggers over 90, or 900% higher than for a cop.

http://www.bls.gov/iif/oshwc/cfoi/cfoi_rates_2013hb.pdf

Over the last 10 years (04-13) there has been an average of 55 officers killed by being shot. National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund: Causes of Law Enforcement Deaths (http://www.nleomf.org/facts/officer-fatalities-data/causes.html) Those numbers are not broken down with circumstances of the shooting (shot by criminal, other officer, self inflicted). Or basically one officer a week.
For 2014 with only a few days left in the year, there have been 50 deaths from firearms. So it has not been any different than the average over the last decade.

Let me repeat, no officer in an ideal world would ever be harmed in the performance of their job. Their job has risk, but much lower than some other jobs. We don't see long processions and funerals for our loggers, and miners, and landscapers because they are not our public servants in the sense that police, fire, military are. So read that link again with the information you now have about the real risk of the citizen killing a cop. Read the links I gave on the long history of selective enforcement in NYC.

If they can't do the job because they are in fear, then they need better information, counseling, or a different job. I have never heard a firefighter say he or she can't fight the next fire when there has been a death in their ranks.





It feels to me like you are anti-police. A firefighter is not a job for wimps either, and I have utter respect for it, but a LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER is enforcing the laws that keep society in tow. A firefighter responds to fires and to accidents that hurt people.

The whole framework of a peaceful society is in question when you question the laws and the people who enforce them.

I think that there is a sea change in society that many laws and rules are "no big deal". ( The ones that those people don't like)

I have heard more than one person on this forum complain because they were pulled over for running a stop sign. I have heard it said that laws about marijuana use are a joke. I have heard it said that prostitution is a service industry and that laws need to be lessened about it. People in high public office have said that too many black youths are locked up for minor crimes like Marijuana use. Behaving themselves seem to be too big a job for too many people.

If you are not handicapped there is nothing that would keep an able bodied person in this country from not breaking the law...it is a choice you have to make. It is planning your life. It is being respectful to others. It is the right thing to do.

[waynet]

The whole framework of a peaceful society is in question when you CANNOT question the laws and the people who uphold them. Criticism and questions are not attacks. Not everyone who questions or criticizes is a cop hater and no institution is beyond questioning. I personally found their behavior at the funeral of a fellow officer horrible. It reminded me of the antics of the westboro baptist church people.

[graciegirl]

The whole framework of a peaceful society is in question when you CANNOT question the laws and the people who uphold them. Criticism and questions are not attacks. Not everyone who questions or criticizes is a cop hater and no institution is beyond questioning. I personally found their behavior at the funeral of a fellow officer horrible. It reminded me of the antics of the westboro baptist church people.

If you see a similarity between the two than I question your perception. Westboro Baptist Church is anti-American, anti-military, and completely uncaring of other's feelings. The protests are so entirely unalike and the Westboro Baptist Church, not a church at all is a HATE organization.

I don't think it was the right thing to do either, and I have no problem with people questioning anything, but you really just changed the subject. AND the great thing about women, a quality that men don't have, is that I can sense what your real attitude is.

And it is very different than mine.

[bimmertl]

Editorial gets it right.



http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/30/opinion/police-respect-squandered-in-attacks-on-de-blasio.html?ref=opinion

[blueash]

Sharpton and DiBlasio got what they wanted- blacks killing white cops.

That may be the most despicable comment and the most hateful and wrong I have ever seen. You owe everyone on this forum an apology or you need to be spending time pulling up all the evidence you can provide all of us to see to justify your bile. Go back into your hiding place behind the stove.

[Shirleevee]

[QUOTE=blueash;987720]That may be the most despicable comment and the most hateful and wrong I have ever seen. You owe everyone on this forum an apology or you need to be spending time pulling up all the evidence you can provide all of us to see to justify your bile. Go back into your hiding place behind the stove.[/QUOT

I AGREE!

[blueash]

If you see a similarity between the two than I question your perception. Westboro Baptist Church is anti-American, anti-military, and completely uncaring of other's feelings. The protests are so entirely unalike and the Westboro Baptist Church, not a church at all is a HATE organization.

I don't think it was the right thing to do either, and I have no problem with people questioning anything, but you really just changed the subject. AND the great thing about women, a quality that men don't have, is that I can sense what your real attitude is.

And it is very different than mine.

GG, given your well developed ability to see through what people write and discern their real attitude, I wonder if you would be willing to assess your own biases? You have often posted that you are a fiscal conservative and a social liberal. A well established way to begin to evaluate a person's biases, which they may not even recognize in themselves is implicit association.

Test yourself here
https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/

Click on the GO box to the right of the US Flag, then click at the bottom of the warning page "I wish to proceed" I would suggest taking the race, religion and weapons tests. They ask for demographic but you can skip all of that and just click on the bottom of the pages where it says ok.

[Rags123]

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[Jimturner]

I am a simple man.
If the police stop protecting me and mine, I am prepared to take up the void.

[graciegirl]

GG, given your well developed ability to see through what people write and discern their real attitude, I wonder if you would be willing to assess your own biases? You have often posted that you are a fiscal conservative and a social liberal. A well established way to begin to evaluate a person's biases, which they may not even recognize in themselves is implicit association.

Test yourself here
https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/

Click on the GO box to the right of the US Flag, then click at the bottom of the warning page "I wish to proceed" I would suggest taking the race, religion and weapons tests. They ask for demographic but you can skip all of that and just click on the bottom of the pages where it says ok.


Blueash, I don't swallow something whole. I know what I think and I have changed my mind over the years, going from pretty liberal to pretty conservative in most things. It is a natural thing to happen as people age and gain knowledge of the world. I am far more realistic than I was as a young person.

I know that I would like the world to be a place where everyone does their share, but that isn't happening. You are doing your share, Blueash and I am doing my share, now it is time to allow the people who are not, to learn a little better how to take care of themselves. You have in your mind that I am a Tea Party Republican and I am not. I KNOW what I believe today, but it may change tomorrow and I may need a gun and if I do I will buy one and learn how to use it.

I am sick of people with pie in the sky ideas trying to sell their unrealistic programs. I am done with young people taking things from people who work. I am sick of people stealing from people who save. I am tired of people making excuses for their laziness and living off the government.

I very much care that those who cannot take care of themselves have health care and food and shelter. I really think that people addicted to drugs should not be receiving welfare, but I don't think anyone should tell someone that abortion shouldn't be legal or that their religion or lack of it is a superior way to look at things. I am for the separation of church and state, but I hate the hateful way many people are trying to make their point about that.

Do not ask me to figure out what my values are. I know what my values are. I am pretty sure I know what your values are. You are a decent, honest man, who has worked hard to accomplish what he has and has spent his life doing good for others and saving lives and soothing all kinds of wounds. Your intelligence is in the top three percent of the population......... But your way at looking at world events is not the only way or in some cases the right way in my opinion.

No one can force people to accept their views on things. They can live in such a way that others see something good to emulate...but we have to accept that not everyone is born with equal abilities and we have to be practical about that knowledge. You think better social programs and more money spent on social programs will heal the ills of society and I feel that not enabling people to be lazy is a help toward a better society.

[rubicon]

GG I agree with most of what you have said. I am tired of do gooders who foster keeping people on the dole. I am sick of environmentalist stupid arguments that cripples progress causes unemployment, and worse yet so called intellectuals that stifle free speech in the guise of ( "outsider juripurdence", "critical race theory", "critical feminist theory"' and "storytelling"theory to define some kinds of politically incorrect speech as not speech at all but mechanisms of subordination" Barr a Fisher, Fleishman & Fischer Law firm)

[Chi-Town]

GG I agree with most of what you have said. I am tired of do gooders who foster keeping people on the dole. I am sick of environmentalist stupid arguments that cripples progress causes unemployment, and worse yet so called intellectuals that stifle free speech in the guise of ( "outsider juripurdence", "critical race theory", "critical feminist theory"' and "storytelling"theory to define some kinds of politically incorrect speech as not speech at all but mechanisms of subordination" Barr a Fisher, Fleishman & Fischer Law firm)
I'm going to have to drag out my old Black's Law Dictionary for that mouthful. [emoji6]

[Rags123]

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[Jimturner]

GG I agree with most of what you have said. I am tired of do gooders who foster keeping people on the dole. I am sick of environmentalist stupid arguments that cripples progress causes unemployment, and worse yet so called intellectuals that stifle free speech in the guise of ( "outsider juripurdence", "critical race theory", "critical feminist theory"' and "storytelling"theory to define some kinds of politically incorrect speech as not speech at all but mechanisms of subordination" Barr a Fisher, Fleishman & Fischer Law firm)

Well said, but I would suggest if anyone needs help, give it to them, but if they do not and take it anyway, consider execution!

[graciegirl]

Well said, but I would suggest if anyone needs help, give it to them, but if they do not and take it anyway, consider execution!


All of your recent responses seem extreme. You suggest using guns. Are you making a joke?

[Cisco Kid]

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[mickey100]

GG, given your well developed ability to see through what people write and discern their real attitude, I wonder if you would be willing to assess your own biases? You have often posted that you are a fiscal conservative and a social liberal. A well established way to begin to evaluate a person's biases, which they may not even recognize in themselves is implicit association.

Test yourself here
https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/

Click on the GO box to the right of the US Flag, then click at the bottom of the warning page "I wish to proceed" I would suggest taking the race, religion and weapons tests. They ask for demographic but you can skip all of that and just click on the bottom of the pages where it says ok.

:clap2

I suspect the test results would be pretty revealing.

[graciegirl]

GG, given your well developed ability to see through what people write and discern their real attitude, I wonder if you would be willing to assess your own biases? You have often posted that you are a fiscal conservative and a social liberal. A well established way to begin to evaluate a person's biases, which they may not even recognize in themselves is implicit association.

Test yourself here
https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/

Click on the GO box to the right of the US Flag, then click at the bottom of the warning page "I wish to proceed" I would suggest taking the race, religion and weapons tests. They ask for demographic but you can skip all of that and just click on the bottom of the pages where it says ok.


You go first Paul, and share the results with us. Then Mickey? You want to see how revealing your results are?

The truth is that we don't need Harvard to figure out where we stand. I know where you stand and you know where I stand, and we both think we see it clearly.

[dbussone]

You go first Paul, and share the results with us. Then Mickey? You want to see how revealing your results are?

The truth is that we don't need Harvard to figure out where we stand. I know where you stand and you know where I stand, and we both think we see it clearly.

Quite honestly there's very little we need Harvard for in the first place, IMHO. And I grew up in Boston!

[Rags123]

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[dbussone]

Shocked! Just shocked! Another Harvard fail? I'm certain all those other sources and organizations must have a deeply ingrained bias against Harvard.

[Rags123]

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[Sandtrap328]

[QUOTE=Rags123;987811]Good post and allow me to add.....respect the LAW. As soon as we, as a country begin to lose that respect, our society is doomed.

"
Martin Luther King, in his famous "Letter from the Birmingham Jail," called on all Americans to actively but peacefully oppose laws that were morally wrong.

This does include comparing the death of a policeman with a landscaper.

[B]I am afraid that those of you who think you have all the answers, do not even know the questions !!!!!

I am not a smart man, but I have character and I totally respect the law.QUOTE]

Do you remember that the FBI (under the direction of J Edgar Hoover) investigated and accused MLK as being a (horrors!) Communist?

As for comparing the death of a policeman to the death of a landscaper - both equal human beings - one is not worth more than the other.

[Rags123]

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[kcrazorbackfan]

I am a simple man.
If the police stop protecting me and mine, I am prepared to take up the void.

I would like to say I agree with you but I'm pretty sure that 100% of you out there doesn't know what it's like to have to take the life of another person; I do, having had to do it twice in my career; it is something you never forget.

Unless you don't have a conscience, and I know all of you do unlike the thug punks in the cities killing each other every day, it's not as easy as it appears to be on television. Support the good Police Officers (the bad ones will weed themselves out or be weeded out by the good ones, yes, it does happen) and hopefully you'll never have to make that decision.

[blueash]

You go first Paul, and share the results with us. Then Mickey? You want to see how revealing your results are?

The truth is that we don't need Harvard to figure out where we stand. I know where you stand and you know where I stand, and we both think we see it clearly.

I think you misunderstand the information available by taking the tests. It will reveal to you subconscious automatic responses to visual and language stimuli. One of the tests showed I had a mild preference for white people, another a mild preference for Jews, the third showed no preference. I did the Obama test, no preference. The test is not to see where you stand, it is to see what pre-judging you do before you have any information. What unconscious beliefs to you have and how strong are they which might interfere with making a well reasoned decision.

The Science of Why Cops Shoot Young Black Men | Mother Jones (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/11/science-of-racism-prejudice)

Interesting study, and one that directly relates to the issue of "I thought he was reaching for a gun so I shot him first" when there is no gun found...

Correll, J., Park, B., Judd, C.M., & Wittenbrink, B. (2002). The police officer’s dilemma: Using ethnicity to disambiguate potentially threatening individuals. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 83 (6), 1314-29 PMID: 12500813

[blueash]

Why has the word thug suddenly become so frequently used? And seemingly it only applies to black men? When white kids riot they are not called thugs. Check the news coverage of student riots after football games, or in the story this fall in New Hampshire where cars were overturned and fires set

Officials seek to make Pumpkin Festival safer after all-day riots - NY Daily News (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/officials-seek-pumpkin-festival-safer-all-day-riots-article-1.1979521)

NY Daily news, no mention of thugs.

To see how the media has conditioned us all to view the actions of white people doing exactly the same thing as black ones but with blacks being criminals and whites being not, see if you can spot the difference in these two photos of people carrying soda and groceries through the Katrina flood waters:

[sunnyatlast]

Why has the word thug suddenly become so frequently used? And seemingly it only applies to black men? When white kids riot they are not called thugs. Check the news coverage of student riots after football games, or in the story this fall in New Hampshire where cars were overturned and fires set……….

Apparently this rapper doesn't consider the term "thug" to be derogatory, since he used the word in the title of all 5 of his albums, and named this one "Finally Famous - Born a Thug, Still a Thug".

He seems to take great pride in being a "thug". He makes a living off the thug theme.

If he says he's a thug, why should anyone else be labeled a "hater" or "racist" for calling him one???

See album info:

Amazon.com: Trick Daddy: Finally Famous: Born a Thug Still a Thug

Click Here: Amazon.com: Trick Daddy: Finally Famous: Born a Thug Still a Thug: Music


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[graciegirl]

Why has the word thug suddenly become so frequently used? And seemingly it only applies to black men? When white kids riot they are not called thugs. Check the news coverage of student riots after football games, or in the story this fall in New Hampshire where cars were overturned and fires set

Officials seek to make Pumpkin Festival safer after all-day riots - NY Daily News (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/officials-seek-pumpkin-festival-safer-all-day-riots-article-1.1979521)

NY Daily news, no mention of thugs.

To see how the media has conditioned us all to view the actions of white people doing exactly the same thing as black ones but with blacks being criminals and whites being not, see if you can spot the difference in these two photos of people carrying soda and groceries through the Katrina flood waters:


Most of us have common sense. Some prejudge everyone. Some do not.
But we have to do a little prejudging or assessment to keep ourselves safe.

It isn't wrong to do that. We all think we don't. But we all do. Some feel that all old, solvent, white people from the midwest who go to church are lacking perceptive abilities that old white people born on the east coast with more letters after their name have.

Yes you do.

[graciegirl]

I offer up a new way to judge people, rather than color, rather than money, rather than education, .......are you a pain in the neck to be around or just by your presence, do you make the room, the building, the city, the world, BETTER and happier and more comfortable for others?

Are you ........................ENJOYABLE?

[mickey100]

Why has the word thug suddenly become so frequently used? And seemingly it only applies to black men? When white kids riot they are not called thugs. Check the news coverage of student riots after football games, or in the story this fall in New Hampshire where cars were overturned and fires set

Officials seek to make Pumpkin Festival safer after all-day riots - NY Daily News (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/officials-seek-pumpkin-festival-safer-all-day-riots-article-1.1979521)

NY Daily news, no mention of thugs.

To see how the media has conditioned us all to view the actions of white people doing exactly the same thing as black ones but with blacks being criminals and whites being not, see if you can spot the difference in these two photos of people carrying soda and groceries through the Katrina flood waters:

Perfect example. But obviously is of no interest to some people, or is just going over their heads. We have been conditioned by the media to prejudge, and unless you've lived in a cave your whole life, pretty much everyone is affected one way or another, depending on which media you tend to view.

[jblum315]

The Post is a tabloid known for its rumor mongering. I would consider the source and discredit it about 50 percent.

[mickey100]

You go first Paul, and share the results with us. Then Mickey? You want to see how revealing your results are?

The truth is that we don't need Harvard to figure out where we stand. I know where you stand and you know where I stand, and we both think we see it clearly.

My test result on preferences regarding European Americans vs. African Americans came out as follows:

Your Result
Your data suggest little to no automatic preference between European American and African American.

I really think some people on this forum should take the assessments. They might be surprised at the results.

[graciegirl]

My test result on preferences regarding European Americans vs. African Americans came out as follows:

Your Result
Your data suggest little to no automatic preference between European American and African American.

I really think some people on this forum should take the assessments. They might be surprised at the results.


There are all kinds of hatred, dismissal, feelings of superiority and wrong judgment in this world. I know of some people who summarily dismiss the Morse family as good people, because of two reasons; they are rich and they contribute to the Republican party. It is wrong to prejudge anyone, until you know more about them or know them personally. Not all Catholics are good people, not all Democrats are good people, not all Himalayans are good people, but most are.

But most of all, are you enjoyable to be around by most people? Or do most people grit their teeth when you appear?