[surething]

Is anyone surprised about this? Perhaps one of the underlying motivations of some of the Ferguson and related protests might be to manipulate or suppress the "system" - or a free-for-all on crime, etc.?
Anarchy to go?





Wary NYPD cops letting minor crimes slide | New York Post

[karostay]

Thought this was about the Pizza Place

[blueash]

Or maybe the police have always failed to address crime when it didn't fit their schedule or their purposes. This isn't new. There has been blue flu for a long time. There has been animosity between the police union and every NYC mayor.

And there is this:
NYPD Tapes 3: A Detective Comes Forward About Downgraded Sexual Assaults | Village Voice showing downgrading rape crimes.

And this
Cop ordered in secret recording to stop-and-frisk young blacks males - NY Daily News

And if you want to read a whistleblower's experience exposing the real world of policy in NYC, which has not really changed enough since Serpico

The NYPD Tapes: Inside Bed-Stuy's 81st Precinct | Village Voice Note the year on this is 2010.

Or read this transcript, start 1/2 way down on the second story
Transcript | This American Life

again, bad cops are the exception, bad supervisors are the exception, If it were always bad there would be no story. But I post these only to show that recent events didn't create a problem that wasn't already there.

[rubicon]

Originally Posted by surething

Is anyone surprised about this? Perhaps one of the underlying motivations of some of the Ferguson and related protests might be to manipulate or suppress the "system" - or a free-for-all on crime, etc.?
Anarchy to go?





Wary NYPD cops letting minor crimes slide | New York Post

Surething: To me it was a sure thing. I had believed that these protesters really were saying if we push hard enough we can get these cops off our backs or at least they will have to ease up. While there are always exceptions or infractions by inexperienced or over zealous police the fact is that they do a good job of protecting us and staying within regulatory bounds.

[blueash]

Originally Posted by surething

Is anyone surprised about this? Perhaps one of the underlying motivations of some of the Ferguson and related protests might be to manipulate or suppress the "system" - or a free-for-all on crime, etc.?
Anarchy to go?

Do you believe that the protestors in Missouri got together and said,
"you know, if we have protests then maybe the cops in NYC won't write as many tickets" ? You might have one piece right. I do suspect that an underlying motivation was to suppress those elements of the "system" that the protestors saw as excessive use of violence against black males especially. And that they may have been motivated by their feeling, their perception that the "system" is unequal in its application of justice. Maybe those motivations were more important than the image you have fabricated of a hope of protestors for a free for all on crime.

[Rags123]

Originally Posted by blueash

Or maybe the police have always failed to address crime when it didn't fit their schedule or their purposes. This isn't new. There has been blue flu for a long time. There has been animosity between the police union and every NYC mayor.

And there is this:
NYPD Tapes 3: A Detective Comes Forward About Downgraded Sexual Assaults | Village Voice showing downgrading rape crimes.

And this
Cop ordered in secret recording to stop-and-frisk young blacks males - NY Daily News

And if you want to read a whistleblower's experience exposing the real world of policy in NYC, which has not really changed enough since Serpico

The NYPD Tapes: Inside Bed-Stuy's 81st Precinct | Village Voice Note the year on this is 2010.

Or read this transcript, start 1/2 way down on the second story
Transcript | This American Life

again, bad cops are the exception, bad supervisors are the exception, If it were always bad there would be no story. But I post these only to show that recent events didn't create a problem that wasn't already there.

IF you read the link, you would find it was out of fear that they are overlooking some things...

"I’m not writing any summonses. Do you think I’m going to stand there so someone can shoot me or hit me in the head with an ax?” One cop said Sunday, referring to the Dec. 20 slayings and another recent attack on the NYPD.

“I’m concerned about my safety,” the cop added. “I want to go to home to my wife and kids.”

The shooting in Los Angeles last night on a patrol car simply compounds the fear

NOBODY that I am aware of, on this forum or otherwise has even attempted to paint the police as perfect...not one, yet some continue to try and emphasize only the negative while they get shot at.

Just makes me wonder the motivation !!!

I forgot, a patrol car in Pasco County was also shot at last evening.

Now, there is more motivation to point out anything negative about cops. Seems that the more they are attacked, the more we hear of any misadventures of police. Again, have not heard one single person try to paint any police department as anything but human and making errors. BUT, makes sense to condemn them more while they are down...is that the game ??

[surething]

Taking the temperature of this movement:

Some highlights:


STOP - STOP AND FRISK! NO MORE MARIJUANA BUSTS! THE WAR ON DRUGS IS A WAR ON THE PEOPLE! STOP MASS INCARCERATION—WE’RE BETTER THAN THAT! -

See more at: | The Stop Mass Incarceration Network


| The Stop Mass Incarceration Network

https://corporatewhoredomsandtheamer...ation-network/

SOME HIGHLIGHTS FROM THE ABOVE LINK:

"Right now isn’t the time to go for revolution, but now is the time to build up the forces for revolution so that when the time comes, when the rulers are deep enough in trouble and when people can’t go on living like this anymore, we’ll be ready and in position right to seize power from the capitalist blood-suckers and build a whole new world. Storms that will rock the U.S. global empire are gonna come; but will WE be ready to seize the opportunity for emancipation when it comes along? Will there be a force hastening that time, shaping it, and preparing for it? That’s what we have to be thinking about and working to realize. That’s a big, big part of what the Revolutionary Communist Party (RCP) is all about.

So as we continue to mobilize resistance that involves broader sections of people, everybody who hates the reality that Black people playing with toy guns or walking in dark hallways or just existing are risking their lives needs to check out and get with the revolution. Go to the website: revcom.us. Read BAsics and other writings by Bob Avakian, the leader of the revolution. Watch the Dialogue between Cornel West and Bob Avakian. And run with the movement for revolution the RCP is building as it fights the power, and transforms the people, for revolution.

ESCALATE THE STRUGGLE TO STOP POLICE MURDER!

FIGHT THE POWER, AND TRANSFORM THE PEOPLE, FOR REVOLUTION

SOME PLANNED EVENTS IN N.Y. New Year's + Philiadelphia + Detroit + San Diego + +

Ferguson National Response Network

[Rags123]

" Two Los Angeles police officers were shot at Sunday night while they drove their patrol car in the southern part of the city, police said. The officers returned fire, authorities said, and no one was injured.

And there was a second incident over the weekend in which police were fired at, this one in Florida on Sunday morning. Someone fired three bullets at two deputies with the Pasco County Sheriff's Office as they sat in their patrol car."

Officers shot at in Florida and Los Angeles - CNN.com

The Revolution Communist Party of the United States (revcom.com) who supports, and actually paid for most of the signs being used that bear their website address on them has a drafted constitution.

A little excert from that document...

"In order to bring this new socialist state into being, it would
be necessary to thoroughly defeat, dismantle and abolish the
capitalist-imperialist state of the USA; and this in turn would
only become possible with the development of a profound and
acute crisis in society and the emergence of a revolutionary
people, in the millions and millions, who have the leadership of
a revolutionary communist vanguard and are conscious of the
need for revolutionary change and determined to fight for it."

http://revcom.us/socialistconstituti...itution-en.pdf

[8notes]

Originally Posted by blueash

Or maybe the police have always failed to address crime when it didn't fit their schedule or their purposes. This isn't new. There has been blue flu for a long time. There has been animosity between the police union and every NYC mayor.

And there is this:
NYPD Tapes 3: A Detective Comes Forward About Downgraded Sexual Assaults | Village Voice showing downgrading rape crimes.

And this
Cop ordered in secret recording to stop-and-frisk young blacks males - NY Daily News

And if you want to read a whistleblower's experience exposing the real world of policy in NYC, which has not really changed enough since Serpico

The NYPD Tapes: Inside Bed-Stuy's 81st Precinct | Village Voice Note the year on this is 2010.

Or read this transcript, start 1/2 way down on the second story
Transcript | This American Life

again, bad cops are the exception, bad supervisors are the exception, If it were always bad there would be no story. But I post these only to show that recent events didn't create a problem that wasn't already there.

I agree. Its well documented that race plays a role in the criminal justice system.

[fred53]

Originally Posted by surething

Is anyone surprised about this? Perhaps one of the underlying motivations of some of the Ferguson and related protests might be to manipulate or suppress the "system" - or a free-for-all on crime, etc.?
Anarchy to go?





Wary NYPD cops letting minor crimes slide | New York Post

I don't take anyones rumor to be the truth and since you provide no examples that can be verified it can only be assumed you posted this to cause trouble...a shame with all the real garbage going on....

[Chi-Town]

Originally Posted by fred53

I don't take anyones rumor to be the truth and since you provide no examples that can be verified it can only be assumed you posted this to cause trouble...a shame with all the real garbage going on....

The mere fact that the OP used a tabloid as a source is usually a tell tale sign.

[tomwed]

Rupert Murdoch owns the Post. Does he own anything else?

[blueash]

Originally Posted by Rags123

IF you read the link, you would find it was out of fear that they are overlooking some things...

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I read the link. Do you think that the risk to life of police is so great that this fear is justified? If they are so afraid that they can't function how do the soldiers ever function in any war where the risk of casualty is so much greater? How do doctors function in Western Africa? How do lumberjacks ever work up the courage to do their jobs?
America's 10 Deadliest Jobs - Forbes

Data is available for the occupational risk of various jobs.

The fatality rate (deaths per 100000 FTE) for police (all fatalities not just being shot but also crashing the car etc.) is 10.6. For Groundskeepers and lawn service supervisors it is 15.5 or 50% greater. For the fishing industry it is 75 and loggers over 90, or 900% higher than for a cop.

http://www.bls.gov/iif/oshwc/cfoi/cfoi_rates_2013hb.pdf

Over the last 10 years (04-13) there has been an average of 55 officers killed by being shot. National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund: Causes of Law Enforcement Deaths Those numbers are not broken down with circumstances of the shooting (shot by criminal, other officer, self inflicted). Or basically one officer a week.
For 2014 with only a few days left in the year, there have been 50 deaths from firearms. So it has not been any different than the average over the last decade.

Let me repeat, no officer in an ideal world would ever be harmed in the performance of their job. Their job has risk, but much lower than some other jobs. We don't see long processions and funerals for our loggers, and miners, and landscapers because they are not our public servants in the sense that police, fire, military are. So read that link again with the information you now have about the real risk of the citizen killing a cop. Read the links I gave on the long history of selective enforcement in NYC.

If they can't do the job because they are in fear, then they need better information, counseling, or a different job. I have never heard a firefighter say he or she can't fight the next fire when there has been a death in their ranks.

[VT2TV]

I am sure the PD would welcome advice from anyone who thinks they can do the job better. How many people on here would be willing to put their lives on the line every single day to protect strangers who hate them, but want them there when there is trouble. How many people outside the military have faced 1 or more people who has a knife or gun coming at you to hurt you when you were called to come and help them???? Well, I have, and it is downright terrifying. Your mind actually goes blank for a split second, before you can respond, and then how you respond depends upon each and every situation, because they are all different. So, forgive me for not critizing every bad reponse a cop might, because so many times they are facing the posibility of their own death. You might have a thousand good outcomes from your actions, and save the lives of hundreds of people, or maybe you have 1 bad outcome. Wanna guess which one you will be remembered for?????????????? Now, I am NOT saving that the police should have a "get out of jail" card for any bad actions. I am just saying that police are human too, and we need to think about everything before we automatically blame them. We don't know and cannot perceive their feeling when they truly are in fear of their own lives. How would we react???

[Jimturner]

And Chaos begins.