The Assaults On Freedoms By Progressives

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Dear Guests: A couple is fined $300,000 plus because they said they would not bake a cake for a gay wedding. A farming couple from upstate New York are under heavy attack because they refuse with their part time wedding business to all a lesbian couple to be married.

Many states are being pressured to remove their Confederate flags. A fireman from Albert Leah MN placed a Confederate flag on the back of his fire engine as a protest against political correctness, for a parade and is now being threatened to be fired.

Students across the nation are being harassed by educators for expressing their freedoms of religion or their conservative views. Progressive students talk of trigger warnings and micro aggressions regarding American history, political situation that do not compute in their liberal minds

Progressives dealt deep blows to Donald Trump because he spoke the truth about our immigration policy and there is ample evidence in the daily newspapers to support his claims

Climate change is a hoax based on faulty scientific evidence whose only basis is profits for renewable that have been proven to be extremely expensive , unreliable and supported by heavily by taxpayers

Obamacare and Dodd-Frank are in short dictatorship by government and to add insult to injury ineffective in their intended purpose

Perhaps the word is too harsh but all of this is beginning to look like fascism
and it is clear progressives are demanding we follow their agenda their rules their dictates irrespective of our political, moral, religious or individual views.

The buzz word for them is öffensive" They find white male history to be "offensive" the confederate flag "offensive", refusal to acknowledge the new normal "offensive". But with First Amendment Rights someone is going to be offended.

At the risk of being accused of being racist let me say my tastes differ and i am offended from the rap, hip hop culture with all the blink, dirty dancing, offensive lyrics and the same melody connected to every song and the gangster overtones. It certainly is a long way from Nat King Cole. Louis Armstrong and Johnny Mathias
But this is their time and so I take solace in my old albums. I select radio stations that fit my tastes

In my view its time to push back because if we don't what looks like fascism will quickly become fascism. So ignore the PC think as an individual and your rights to freedom of expression speech religion, etc

Personal Best Regards:

[Guest]

Please explain what you meant by trigger warnings and micro aggressions concerning American history. Thanks.

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"A current threat to academic freedom in the classroom comes from a demand that teachers provide warnings in advance if assigned material contains anything that might trigger difficult emotional responses for students. This follows from earlier calls not to offend students’ sensibilities by introducing material that challenges their values and beliefs."

On Trigger Warnings | AAUP (http://www.aaup.org/report/trigger-warnings)

"SANTA BARBARA, Calif. — Should students about to read “The Great Gatsby” be forewarned about “a variety of scenes that reference gory, abusive and misogynistic violence,” as one Rutgers student proposed? Would any book that addresses racism — like “The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn” or “Things Fall Apart” — have to be preceded by a note of caution? Do sexual images from Greek mythology need to come with a viewer-beware label?

Colleges across the country this spring have been wrestling with student requests for what are known as “trigger warnings,” explicit alerts that the material they are about to read or see in a classroom might upset them or, as some students assert, cause symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder in victims of rape or in war veterans."

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/18/us/warning-the-literary-canon-could-make-students-squirm.html?_r=0

"The political left has come up with a new buzzword: “micro-aggression.”

Professors at UC Berkeley have been officially warned against saying such things as “America is the land of opportunity.” Why? Because this is considered to be an act of “micro-aggression” against minorities and women. Supposedly it shows that you don’t take their grievances seriously and are therefore guilty of being aggressive toward them, even if only on a micro scale."

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/18/us/warning-the-literary-canon-could-make-students-squirm.html?_r=0


"CAMBRIDGE, Mass. — A tone-deaf inquiry into an Asian-American’s ethnic origin. Cringe-inducing praise for how articulate a black student is. An unwanted conversation about a Latino’s ability to speak English without an accent.

This is not exactly the language of traditional racism, but in an avalanche of blogs, student discourse, campus theater and academic papers, they all reflect the murky terrain of the social justice word du jour — microaggressions — used to describe the subtle ways that racial, ethnic, gender and other stereotypes can play out painfully in an increasingly diverse culture.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/22/us/as-diversity-increases-slights-get-subtler-but-still-sting.html

I am being convinced that many on here do not even realize what is happening in our schools and around the country. Activism abounds

I was not the OP on this and just trying to help out. There was a thread on what is happening in our elementary schools as well which all should read.

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And in elementary school as well.....

"St. Paul's Frost Lake Elementary has focused intensely on its black students lately.

Administrators and teachers pore over data and ask: If black students make up 20 percent of the student body, why do they account for 65 percent of the suspensions? Why do they lag behind peers in reading and math?

The school's "equity team" is an offshoot of the district's three-year relationship with San Francisco-based consultant Pacific Educational Group, or PEG. The premise: Educators can only chip away at achievement disparities if they confront their own racial biases and the ways racism permeates schools.

"We are asking our staff to change rather than expect kids to change to fit our comfort level -- and that's huge," said Frost Lake Principal Stacey Kadrmas.

PEG's input has spurred districtwide changes in St. Paul, from a push to reduce suspensions to a bid to integrate students with intensive special needs into mainstream classrooms. Districts such as Edina examined reading selections, hallway posters and curriculums to ensure they include faces and voices with whom students of color can identify.

Critics say PEG's work has alienated some educators and, in recasting certain discipline issues as cultural misunderstandings, let disruptive students and their families off the hook. Some point to the cost of PEG's services and the scarcity of solid evidence they boost achievement.

Facing the race issue: St. Paul schools use California-based group in effort to reduce achievement gap - TwinCities.com (http://www.twincities.com/education/ci_24399531/facing-race-issue-st-paul-schools-use-california)

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I am not the one who asked for the explanation, but thank you all for the enlightenment. There is so much going on under the radar, that it is frightening. I wonder how many parents, if they honestly knew what was going on in education today, would choose more critically where they send their children. I am so happy that I switched my son after the 5th grade to a private school that honored the same values that we did as a family. I could see the huge conflict developing in our family when he was attending public school. After the switch, it took time, but I am grateful to say that my son has turned out very well - a critical thinker who is not afraid to stand for what he values. We may not always agree about things, but it's okay because I know that his decisions are made thoughtfully and not because he is following the crowd or ideology or whatever. Ironically, he still remains popular and likable, despite the fact that he probably sticks out in his crowd of peers. Parents need to quit kowtowing to their children's whims and do the right thing!! Every parent I know that wasn't afraid to take that stand and became engaged in their children's education produced as a result upstanding, responsible, independent thinking children. We need more of that if we want to set things right in this country. It starts with the family unit.

[Guest]

How about adding this to the list:

D.C. Residents Say Take Down Jefferson Memorial, Rename Washington, D.C. | PJ Media (http://pjmedia.com/blog/video-d-c-residents-say-take-down-jefferson-memorial-rename-washington-d-c/)

The media continues to seek out these minority position assaults on America, giving them a validity they would other wise never attain.

The confederate flag issue started the same way....same logic....and the media was there to assure impact by isolated special interests being completely blown out of proportion.

Unfortunately the silent majority's trigger has yet to be pulled. I hope and pray at some point there will be something that jolts the majority. Maybe when the attack on the flag of the USA comes up for serious consideration there will be an awakening.

I am glad I experienced America when it was a true, patriotic, majority rules reality.

[Guest]

How about adding this to the list:

D.C. Residents Say Take Down Jefferson Memorial, Rename Washington, D.C. | PJ Media (http://pjmedia.com/blog/video-d-c-residents-say-take-down-jefferson-memorial-rename-washington-d-c/)

The media continues to seek out these minority position assaults on America, giving them a validity they would other wise never attain.

The confederate flag issue started the same way....same logic....and the media was there to assure impact by isolated special interests being completely blown out of proportion.

Unfortunately the silent majority's trigger has yet to be pulled. I hope and pray at some point there will be something that jolts the majority. Maybe when the attack on the flag of the USA comes up for serious consideration there will be an awakening.

I am glad I experienced America when it was a true, patriotic, majority rules reality.

Oh, come on now! Do you honestly believe all the DC residents want to tear down the Jefferson Memorial and to re-name the city to Black City? Actually, any former resident of DC would not even recognize the city anymore. It has become so gentrified and is actually more white oriented than ever before. The lower income black people have now moved into the nearby Prince George County in Maryland.

As far as the confederate battleflag issue - it is a piece of history and therefore should be in a museum.

Please get more credible sources than PJMedia. That is just laughable.

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I had never heard the phrase "trigger warning" before today. I looked it up and recognize it. On television, the warning about "graphic situation and content" before "Law and Order" is a warning for parents to decide if they want their kids to look at the show. I can also understand how a rape victim might be traumatized by watching a show with a graphic rape scene. Those triggers are real! For example, I have had an extremely painful dislocated shoulder accident. I cannot comfortably see a person in a tv or movie situation who has a dislocated shoulder. I can only imagine what the feeling would be for a victim of a sexual assault seeing that on television.

I also looked up micro-aggressions. I did not think before how those could actually be hurtful to others. I am going to try and be more careful in what I say.

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Oh, come on now! Do you honestly believe all the DC residents want to tear down the Jefferson Memorial and to re-name the city to Black City? Actually, any former resident of DC would not even recognize the city anymore. It has become so gentrified and is actually more white oriented than ever before. The lower income black people have now moved into the nearby Prince George County in Maryland.

As far as the confederate battleflag issue - it is a piece of history and therefore should be in a museum.

Please get more credible sources than PJMedia. That is just laughable.

Can't resist always attacking the source and ignoring the message....oh well.

Of course I do not believe ALL of the residents of DC want to tear down the Jefferson Memorial or rename Washington, DC just like all of the Americans who do not want the confederate flag treated as it has been in recent weeks!!!!

You obviously are aware that the laws of the land do not take into consideration any majority anymore. They respond to special interests and minority representations that meet the current political agenda and amplified for false credibility by the media.

Just like one person can get a school board to change something their child does not like in school.

Just like one person can object to the 10 commandments being in a public place.

Or how about the few who do not want to offend anybody by saying Merry CHRISTmas.

Sorry........your notion of ALL having to back a position does not work in America any more......and YOU know it!

[Guest]

Can't resist always attacking the source and ignoring the message....oh well.

Of course I do not believe ALL of the residents of DC want to tear down the Jefferson Memorial or rename Washington, DC just like all of the Americans who do not want the confederate flag treated as it has been in recent weeks!!!!

You obviously are aware that the laws of the land do not take into consideration any majority anymore. They respond to special interests and minority representations that meet the current political agenda and amplified for false credibility by the media.

Just like one person can get a school board to change something their child does not like in school.

Just like one person can object to the 10 commandments being in a public place.

Or how about the few who do not want to offend anybody by saying Merry CHRISTmas.

Sorry........your notion of ALL having to back a position does not work in America any more......and YOU know it!

First, you have to have a credible source of information and you know that.

[Guest]

In regard to this statement:

A couple is fined $300,000 plus because they said they would not bake a cake for a gay wedding. A farming couple from upstate New York are under heavy attack because they refuse with their part time wedding business to all a lesbian couple to be married.

In both of these cases the "Business" made a religious freedom claim as the basis for refusal of service. Under US law if you are a business for public accommodation then you cannot that claim. All of us should understand that given we all went through the Civil Rights fight in the 60's. Your religious freedom stops at their civil rights....that's the simple truth.

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At this point, my only comment is that I am extremely disappointed in those posters who find any movement as defined in all the links on our young people brains and education.

The snide and sarcastic comments tell me that, in fact, there is a large population who just flat out does not care about the country, only certain individuals within.

I am not that smart, perhaps as you who mock, but it bothers me and I sure wish I could understand how this is the right thing to do, as you all obviously all do.

Questioning the source is fine IF it were the only source.

The words have been defined and those of you who are fine with this....it is your right. I just do not get the mocking tone evident in the posts. Makes you really reevaluate.

[Guest]

In regard to this statement:

A couple is fined $300,000 plus because they said they would not bake a cake for a gay wedding. A farming couple from upstate New York are under heavy attack because they refuse with their part time wedding business to all a lesbian couple to be married.

In both of these cases the "Business" made a religious freedom claim as the basis for refusal of service. Under US law if you are a business for public accommodation then you cannot that claim. All of us should understand that given we all went through the Civil Rights fight in the 60's. Your religious freedom stops at their civil rights....that's the simple truth.

You have hand selected one sentence from an entire post which covered not only a few examples, but an entire thought process.

Would love to hear what you think about the entire subject.

For the record, yes.....need to follow the law, absolutely. Almost half a grand in fine seems a bit hefty but it is what is,

The point, and I am not the OP, but the point is how ALL of our commerce activities are being affected by activist activity. I think he was speaking of the legalizing of marriage between people who just a few short years ago were breaking every states law, and whose marriage was opposed by the President of the United States 3 years ago. The swift movement was a result of unrestrained activist activity in our government. The President did not simply wake up one morning in the last 3 years and oppose it nor did Hillary Clinton. Suspicion is that the activists in California pushed hard with the threat of "no more money" and there are links I could give but they would simply be made fun of.

BUT PLEASE do not be so insulting as to compare this to the 60's. The act of gay folks was illegal and still is in most countries of the world, the President and ALL candidates for office were against it 3 short years ago.

THIS does not even compare in any way at all to the century old fight for civil rights that reached a crescendo in the 60's and it is a bit insulting to suggest that it does.

[Guest]

Ok you asked for a complete response so I will honor that request for your other points:

Many states are being pressured to remove their Confederate flags. A fireman from Albert Leah MN placed a Confederate flag on the back of his fire engine as a protest against political correctness, for a parade and is now being threatened to be fired.

The Confederate flag was not used after the Civil War until George Wallace stood in the schoolhouse door to refuse admittance into the University of Alabama for 2 students of color. Then the Confederate flags went up all over the south...check it out because I researched this little known fact.

Students across the nation are being harassed by educators for expressing their freedoms of religion or their conservative views. Progressive students talk of trigger warnings and micro aggressions regarding American history, political situation that do not compute in their liberal minds

I don't see the world in an either or liberal/conservative way. Perhaps that is because I am conservative on some issues and more liberal on others. To me not all news stations other than Fox are the liberal media to be distrusted. As for freedom of religion....my views were forged in grade school when I went to public school from Catholic school. That would have been around 1959-60 when we had to read from the Bible. Being Catholic I couldn't read from the King James version nor could I say "For thine is the Kingdom...." at the end of the Lord's Prayer. This caused quite an issue for the 5-6 of us in the class. We were mocked, treated differently and then when Kennedy ran for President it only got worse. I had never experienced such hatred.....

Progressives dealt deep blows to Donald Trump because he spoke the truth about our immigration policy and there is ample evidence in the daily newspapers to support his claims

Not sure what "progressives" you are talking about but he has been hit in the pocket book by 9 businesses. I really don't think Trump will stay in the race because of the financial disclosures but its fun to watch.

Climate change is a hoax based on faulty scientific evidence whose only basis is profits for renewable that have been proven to be extremely expensive , unreliable and supported by heavily by taxpayers

Obamacare and Dodd-Frank are in short dictatorship by government and to add insult to injury ineffective in their intended purpose

I believe that there is climate change even the 1 scientist used by the deniers has changed his tune. Obamacare has given healthcare options to people who were not able to be insured. The insurance companies went to far when they refused healthcare to a newborn claiming a "pre-existing condition". There does need to be some controls on banking....they drive this country to the brink in 2008.

Hopefully this answers your questions....

[Guest]

I am the OP on this thread. Poster #3 and poster #14 have added substance to this topic.

I started this topic because for the last few years I have been following what has been occurring in our educational institutes and because progressives have been targeting certain people unfairly.

While I have no feeling either way about her, Paula Deen used an ethnic slur long ago ( in 1960's) and in a recent deposition answered honestly when asked had she ever used that word. Now in my view whether she said it only in 1960 or yesterday, what right do progressives have to systematically destroy her living over it.

One CEO quit his job because he refused to acknowledge same sex marriage. Chick Fil A came under heavy fire . I mentioned the fireman from MN, in my original post, to underscore how these vicious attempts to punish people who have every right to free speech continue unabated.

The Confederate Flag is under attack. I don't have an opinion way or another concerning the confederate Flag but I do care that those voters who fly it have every right to do so. so the progressive intimidation machine get in full force destroying what they deem offensive

Perhaps, I am wrong but I do not see any difference in Southeners celebrating their flag as those Americans that fly their Irish, Italian, German, English and Canadian flags waving from homes, cars or golf carts.

Thomas Jefferson said: " No provision in our constitution ought to be dearer to man that which protects the rights of conscience against the enterprises of civil authority . It has not left the religion of its citizens under the power of its public functionaries, were it is possible that any of these should consider a conquest over conscience of men either attainable or applicable."

I preface this because I want you to be ready for the blast you are going to get from the gay rights push on their attack of religious freedoms Justice Kennedy intentional left a back door open for the gay movement. They want a rewrite of civil rights laws and The Religious Freedom Reformation Act, etc. Gays abhor the Hobby Lobby ruling and are looking to over turn it.

In my view Jefferson had it right. So if you are religious or if you are morally against same sex marriage etc be ready to be pushed, criticized, badgered ,defamed, suspend or fired from your job and taxed to the hilt by the government. The only recourse is to push back hard and to let your congressional/state leaders know that they better push back too or lose your vote.

I am tired of being polite, I am tired of being pushed and I am tired of people with no common sense radically changing our society to its detriment

Personal Best Regards:

[Guest]

Ok you asked for a complete response so I will honor that request for your other points:

Many states are being pressured to remove their Confederate flags. A fireman from Albert Leah MN placed a Confederate flag on the back of his fire engine as a protest against political correctness, for a parade and is now being threatened to be fired.

The Confederate flag was not used after the Civil War until George Wallace stood in the schoolhouse door to refuse admittance into the University of Alabama for 2 students of color. Then the Confederate flags went up all over the south...check it out because I researched this little known fact.

Students across the nation are being harassed by educators for expressing their freedoms of religion or their conservative views. Progressive students talk of trigger warnings and micro aggressions regarding American history, political situation that do not compute in their liberal minds

I don't see the world in an either or liberal/conservative way. Perhaps that is because I am conservative on some issues and more liberal on others. To me not all news stations other than Fox are the liberal media to be distrusted. As for freedom of religion....my views were forged in grade school when I went to public school from Catholic school. That would have been around 1959-60 when we had to read from the Bible. Being Catholic I couldn't read from the King James version nor could I say "For thine is the Kingdom...." at the end of the Lord's Prayer. This caused quite an issue for the 5-6 of us in the class. We were mocked, treated differently and then when Kennedy ran for President it only got worse. I had never experienced such hatred.....

Progressives dealt deep blows to Donald Trump because he spoke the truth about our immigration policy and there is ample evidence in the daily newspapers to support his claims

Not sure what "progressives" you are talking about but he has been hit in the pocket book by 9 businesses. I really don't think Trump will stay in the race because of the financial disclosures but its fun to watch.

Climate change is a hoax based on faulty scientific evidence whose only basis is profits for renewable that have been proven to be extremely expensive , unreliable and supported by heavily by taxpayers

Obamacare and Dodd-Frank are in short dictatorship by government and to add insult to injury ineffective in their intended purpose

I believe that there is climate change even the 1 scientist used by the deniers has changed his tune. Obamacare has given healthcare options to people who were not able to be insured. The insurance companies went to far when they refused healthcare to a newborn claiming a "pre-existing condition". There does need to be some controls on banking....they drive this country to the brink in 2008.

Hopefully this answers your questions....

First let me be clear. I am not the OP of this thread, thus my comments relate to what I THINK he/she had in mind with the post, because I sense the same thing in the country. So, at some point, the OP may weigh in differently.

On the confederate flag issue. I personally understand the anguish on this particular flag. It has, in the past, been at the center of issues. Displaying that flag, especially at this time, shows nothing but insensitivity to others. Taking it from the capitol was a good thing to do.

Having said all of that, threatening someones jobber displaying it in a parade when it is not illegal, just very insensitive, is a bit of an overreaction to me. If you check the recent news, you will find the states of Mass. and Minn both now being critiqued on their state flag. SUDDENLY, by the way and that is important to the point I want to make at the conclusion of this post.

You, in my opinion, are reading some kind of okay for the confederate flag in the OPs remarks and IN CONTEXT I do not think that is what he is saying at all. It is one factor, IE. THE THREATENING OF SOMEONES JOB.

Your response to the education part of the post is a bit confusing. You speak of the media which is not part of what he is saying. There is a movement to almost allow a "time out" if something MIGHT offend you is going to be taught. It is suggested that you cannot refer to America as the land of opportunity because someone might not see it that way.

I understand your Catholic school experience, but nobody was filtering what you heard as part of the curriculum. Big and huge difference. And again, read all of this in context

I do believe, no...I KNOW that activist groups were up and running with Trump. The money that Soros gave...I think I read he upped the money by ONE MILLION DOLLARS just on this issue to start the online petitions and allow for the backroom pressure given to NBC and all of them. NBC sort of made me laugh with their high and mighty stuff but....all activist driven.

Now, that is not a defense of anything Trump said in anyway. I do believe he is more right than wrong. I do believe we are welcoming much of the criminal population of Central American countries. Instead of engaging in conversation on the issue, and this included many if not all of the Republican candidates it has been let us attack the man. What he said was certainly not the right way to get attention but he did. This is what minor candidate do in primary season and always have.

I cannot comment on climate control as I do not understand it and anything I read turns into politics and for me, that is just not something I enjoy. I enjoy POLITICS, but not POLITICIZATION

To recap, I read the OPs note to speak to the non conversation but activision that abound now in the country. When I speak of these issues, do not confuse my comments with disagreeing or agreeing....but...

Our President and his entire party, a short 3 years ago were against gay marriage. In 3 short years they completely changed their mind BEFORE the Supreme Court ruling. Was that because the entire party and administration just came around in 3 years ?

The confederate flag was flying about 2 weeks ago and nothing was said;NASCAR had it on every track; we had a tragic and terrible thing happen, and suddenly people will be arrested for having it on a vehicle IN TWO WEEKS and a sit com from years ago is cancelled because of the flag.

Our public schools after all this time, suddenly need to warn people that they MIGHT find this offensive...whatever is being taught, which includes century old title. We are unable to refer to our country as the land of opportunity because maybe some child in the class will be offended by that term and we do not address discipline problems in elementary school before looking at their race and deciding that maybe the are not at fault because of their culture.

I am sorry...this is activism and it is prevelant right now. Always has been and always will be activists but they are MAKING POLICY....not trying to influence...they are MAKING POLICY.

I hope what I say makes sense...while I have so much more to say, I am trying real hard to keep it short.

Thanks for your post and keep them coming.

[Guest]

I am the poster on #16 and apologize if I stepped on the OPs toes in anyway. I decided to respond and hope I am not in any contradiction,

[Guest]

First let me be clear. I am not the OP of this thread, thus my comments relate to what I THINK he/she had in mind with the post, because I sense the same thing in the country. So, at some point, the OP may weigh in differently.

On the confederate flag issue. I personally understand the anguish on this particular flag. It has, in the past, been at the center of issues. Displaying that flag, especially at this time, shows nothing but insensitivity to others. Taking it from the capitol was a good thing to do.

Having said all of that, threatening someones jobber displaying it in a parade when it is not illegal, just very insensitive, is a bit of an overreaction to me. If you check the recent news, you will find the states of Mass. and Minn both now being critiqued on their state flag. SUDDENLY, by the way and that is important to the point I want to make at the conclusion of this post.

You, in my opinion, are reading some kind of okay for the confederate flag in the OPs remarks and IN CONTEXT I do not think that is what he is saying at all. It is one factor, IE. THE THREATENING OF SOMEONES JOB.

Your response to the education part of the post is a bit confusing. You speak of the media which is not part of what he is saying. There is a movement to almost allow a "time out" if something MIGHT offend you is going to be taught. It is suggested that you cannot refer to America as the land of opportunity because someone might not see it that way.

I understand your Catholic school experience, but nobody was filtering what you heard as part of the curriculum. Big and huge difference. And again, read all of this in context

I do believe, no...I KNOW that activist groups were up and running with Trump. The money that Soros gave...I think I read he upped the money by ONE MILLION DOLLARS just on this issue to start the online petitions and allow for the backroom pressure given to NBC and all of them. NBC sort of made me laugh with their high and mighty stuff but....all activist driven.

Now, that is not a defense of anything Trump said in anyway. I do believe he is more right than wrong. I do believe we are welcoming much of the criminal population of Central American countries. Instead of engaging in conversation on the issue, and this included many if not all of the Republican candidates it has been let us attack the man. What he said was certainly not the right way to get attention but he did. This is what minor candidate do in primary season and always have.

I cannot comment on climate control as I do not understand it and anything I read turns into politics and for me, that is just not something I enjoy. I enjoy POLITICS, but not POLITICIZATION

To recap, I read the OPs note to speak to the non conversation but activision that abound now in the country. When I speak of these issues, do not confuse my comments with disagreeing or agreeing....but...

Our President and his entire party, a short 3 years ago were against gay marriage. In 3 short years they completely changed their mind BEFORE the Supreme Court ruling. Was that because the entire party and administration just came around in 3 years ?

The confederate flag was flying about 2 weeks ago and nothing was said;NASCAR had it on every track; we had a tragic and terrible thing happen, and suddenly people will be arrested for having it on a vehicle IN TWO WEEKS and a sit com from years ago is cancelled because of the flag.

Our public schools after all this time, suddenly need to warn people that they MIGHT find this offensive...whatever is being taught, which includes century old title. We are unable to refer to our country as the land of opportunity because maybe some child in the class will be offended by that term and we do not address discipline problems in elementary school before looking at their race and deciding that maybe the are not at fault because of their culture.

I am sorry...this is activism and it is prevelant right now. Always has been and always will be activists but they are MAKING POLICY....not trying to influence...they are MAKING POLICY.

I hope what I say makes sense...while I have so much more to say, I am trying real hard to keep it short.

Thanks for your post and keep them coming.

We agree that the flag should be taken down from the Capitol, which I expect to happen. I believe the firefighter was suspended not fired but correct me if I am wrong.

Not sure what you mean by my educational comments... but I don't believe in the "Liberal Media" hoax. All channels other than Fox are not to be trusted because they are liberal?

I was in Catholic school until 2 grade, the reading of the bible was imposed in the 3rd grade. My point was I exposed to religious bigotry at an early age...something I will never forget. So I am very sensitive to people wrapping themselves in "religious freedom" to deny someone else's rights.

As for Hillary, Obama and gay marriage. Clinton came into office with the stated purpose allowing gays in the military. He ended up having to sign Don't Ask Don't Tell in the dark of night. So no I don't think Hillary was against gay marriage, on the other hand I do think Obama was....That is why I didn't support him.... I was a Hillary girl. As for the rest....they had their fingers in the wind which was NOT blowing in favor of gay marriage. Things did seem to turn on a dime but I think that was because more gays blew the doors off the closet so most everyone knew someone who is gay....

As for school their zero tolerance policies have done more harm than good.

[Guest]

I forgot....you talk about the money Soros gives to the DEMS but no mention of the Koch's and Adelson for the Repub's

[Guest]

We agree that the flag should be taken down from the Capitol, which I expect to happen. I believe the firefighter was suspended not fired but correct me if I am wrong.

Not sure what you mean by my educational comments... but I don't believe in the "Liberal Media" hoax. All channels other than Fox are not to be trusted because they are liberal?

I was in Catholic school until 2 grade, the reading of the bible was imposed in the 3rd grade. My point was I exposed to religious bigotry at an early age...something I will never forget. So I am very sensitive to people wrapping themselves in "religious freedom" to deny someone else's rights.

As for Hillary, Obama and gay marriage. Clinton came into office with the stated purpose allowing gays in the military. He ended up having to sign Don't Ask Don't Tell in the dark of night. So no I don't think Hillary was against gay marriage, on the other hand I do think Obama was....That is why I didn't support him.... I was a Hillary girl. As for the rest....they had their fingers in the wind which was NOT blowing in favor of gay marriage. Things did seem to turn on a dime but I think that was because more gays blew the doors off the closet so most everyone knew someone who is gay....

As for school their zero tolerance policies have done more harm than good.


Dear Guests: I am a catholic educated citizen who is the OP on this thread and given some of the responses I feel a need to reiterate my sole objective in starting this topic. I suspect the variations in responses is because of that human experience called "lost in translation"

This thread is not about a flag rather it is about radical progressive who are well place in our educational institutes, corporations, churches,Hollywood and federal/state/local pushing an agenda by means of force and intimidation trying to force people against their conscience to accept things that they believe are morally wrong to them or simply lack common sense. Its why I quoted Thomas Jefferson in my last post.

My catholic education has nothing to do with regard to my opinions about abortion gay marriage, etc. I come by those views based on the adverse effect it will have on our nation not as a moral issue alone but in contradiction to the sciences. In fact this new pope has been rubbing me wrong on his opinion concerning capitalism and climate change

The main focus should be on students who literally are offended by Huck Finn or Song of South, one of my favorite Disney movies, because of the old man who tells the story, a man that I viewed from the first time as grandfatherly and loving . Worse yet they shun the classics because they were created by evil white men.

Who would ever have believed that marxist teachings would be encouraged in this nation via polticial correctness, trigger warnings, and micro aggressions what the heck is wrong with our young people.

My parents made me aware of the unfairness of nature and the struggles of life. My father was a direct guy and when I first made mention that life wasn't fair he said no ----. He had a John Wayne mentality meaning he struggle for the fairness for the little guy showed respect for those who deserved respect and went out of his way to remove the bad guys either by a vote or if it was a local bully by his fist. He loved a good fist fight. He loved America.

Today we have progressive mocking America .

In summary this is a cultural battle between traditional America and the new normal and what I see as the new normal seems to be degrading America. Progressives will continue their take no prisoners attack on our religious and moral values by over turning the constitution to fit their ideology

so the Confederate Flag is a symbol of how easily that can be done by demonizing it a classic Alinsky tactic.

Once again those of us that understand the necessity of traditional America values which has kept this nation safe and certainly free need to understand the assault by progressive on those freedoms


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We agree that the flag should be taken down from the Capitol, which I expect to happen. I believe the firefighter was suspended not fired but correct me if I am wrong.

Not sure what you mean by my educational comments... but I don't believe in the "Liberal Media" hoax. All channels other than Fox are not to be trusted because they are liberal?

I was in Catholic school until 2 grade, the reading of the bible was imposed in the 3rd grade. My point was I exposed to religious bigotry at an early age...something I will never forget. So I am very sensitive to people wrapping themselves in "religious freedom" to deny someone else's rights.

As for Hillary, Obama and gay marriage. Clinton came into office with the stated purpose allowing gays in the military. He ended up having to sign Don't Ask Don't Tell in the dark of night. So no I don't think Hillary was against gay marriage, on the other hand I do think Obama was....That is why I didn't support him.... I was a Hillary girl. As for the rest....they had their fingers in the wind which was NOT blowing in favor of gay marriage. Things did seem to turn on a dime but I think that was because more gays blew the doors off the closet so most everyone knew someone who is gay....

As for school their zero tolerance policies have done more harm than good.

Ok.,,,,you avoid the subject of "trigger warnings" and "micro aggression"and instead focus on the media. I would like to hear what you think about what is happening in OUR SCHOOLS with OUR YOUNG PEOPLE. I do not see the media in this post at all but that would be another great thread.

"Trigger warnings" and "Micro aggression" AND you also have not spoken to the overall and general theme of activism attacking all aspects of our society.

Thanks

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And add to that he PEG attack in elementary schools

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Ok.,,,,you avoid the subject of "trigger warnings" and "micro aggression"and instead focus on the media. I would like to hear what you think about what is happening in OUR SCHOOLS with OUR YOUNG PEOPLE. I do not see the media in this post at all but that would be another great thread.

"Trigger warnings" and "Micro aggression" AND you also have not spoken to the overall and general theme of activism attacking all aspects of our society.

Thanks

I have never heard the terms Tigger warnings and Micro aggression until your post so I cannot speak to them.

I do support gay rights and therefore agree with the Supreme Court's decision on gay marriage....if you call that activism then, in this case, I'll own that. But what about the conservative activism in regard to gay marriage? The Supreme Court has spoken it is the law of the land. This is NOT a liberal nor progressive court yet county clerks are refusing to issues marriage license's by wrapping themselves in religion. Did you not see the signs during the civil rights era "The Bible says Don't Mix the Races" cause I did.

But you haven't addressed the religious activism I encountered during my school years in the 50's. Remember the phrase Under GOD was added to the pledge of allegiance.... as well "In GOD We Trust" added to our money. Do you not remember the hate filled things said about Catholics during the Kennedy campaign and term. He was going to give the country to the Pope, we had large families to raise an army and we kept an armory in the basement of the church.

I have never been accused of being politically correct, just ask my former co-workers, so I think some of that stuff is just silly. Do I think we should seal the borders....yes I do and deport anyone here illegally. I scream at the TV when stories about "dreamers" and mixed status families are aired.

We are a product of our experience's....the religious bigotry I experienced shaped me.

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I have never heard the terms Tigger warnings and Micro aggression until your post so I cannot speak to them.

I do support gay rights and therefore agree with the Supreme Court's decision on gay marriage....if you call that activism then, in this case, I'll own that. But what about the conservative activism in regard to gay marriage? The Supreme Court has spoken it is the law of the land. This is NOT a liberal nor progressive court yet county clerks are refusing to issues marriage license's by wrapping themselves in religion. Did you not see the signs during the civil rights era "The Bible says Don't Mix the Races" cause I did.

But you haven't addressed the religious activism I encountered during my school years in the 50's. Remember the phrase Under GOD was added to the pledge of allegiance.... as well "In GOD We Trust" added to our money. Do you not remember the hate filled things said about Catholics during the Kennedy campaign and term. He was going to give the country to the Pope, we had large families to raise an army and we kept an armory in the basement of the church.

I have never been accused of being politically correct, just ask my former co-workers, so I think some of that stuff is just silly. Do I think we should seal the borders....yes I do and deport anyone here illegally. I scream at the TV when stories about "dreamers" and mixed status families are aired.

We are a product of our experience's....the religious bigotry I experienced shaped me.


I posted a number of links and quotes on trigger warnings and micro aggression and if you sincerely were scarred by your education experience, you will be SHOCKED and APPALLED at what is being done to young brains now.

Your comments on religious activism confuse me, and for the record, I am the product of 12 years of Catholic school, and attended in the 50s as well, so what you say I understand, but on one hand you sound offended by the addition of God, and then offended by the anti catholic feeling during the Kennedy campaign. They seem to come at cross purposes.

BUT all those "differences" were in the religion arena. To filter FACT from teaching so as not to offend or to filter DISCIPLINE and make it dependent on race just does not sit well with me.

And as an addition to something you said on the gentleman being disciplined for having the confederate flag in a parade. Be mindful, I am ok with what is happening in South Carolina,but that flag is not illegal in any way, so why should anyone anywhere be disciplined in any way for flying it. Isn't that free speech. Many of the anti US, anti police signs recently exhibited were defended on that principle. Point is you seemed to feel that suspension instead if firing made it ok, and I do not understand any discipline at all

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I posted a number of links and quotes on trigger warnings and micro aggression and if you sincerely were scarred by your education experience, you will be SHOCKED and APPALLED at what is being done to young brains now.

Your comments on religious activism confuse me, and for the record, I am the product of 12 years of Catholic school, and attended in the 50s as well, so what you say I understand, but on one hand you sound offended by the addition of God, and then offended by the anti catholic feeling during the Kennedy campaign. They seem to come at cross purposes.

BUT all those "differences" were in the religion arena. To filter FACT from teaching so as not to offend or to filter DISCIPLINE and make it dependent on race just does not sit well with me.

And as an addition to something you said on the gentleman being disciplined for having the confederate flag in a parade. Be mindful, I am ok with what is happening in South Carolina,but that flag is not illegal in any way, so why should anyone anywhere be disciplined in any way for flying it. Isn't that free speech. Many of the anti US, anti police signs recently exhibited were defended on that principle. Point is you seemed to feel that suspension instead if firing made it ok, and I do not understand any discipline at all

My only point on the Under GOD and In God We Trust additions were to paint the picture of the 50's.... Just yesterday at an Amenity meeting I said the pledge with the inclusion no problem.

As an Irish Catholic my family experienced racism against the Irish....I was not old enough to see them but my father saw the signs "Irish need not apply". Fortunately for me I had strong aunts who bucked the system, one of which ended up as a high school principle in New Jersey during the 50's.

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My only point on the Under GOD and In God We Trust additions were to paint the picture of the 50's.... Just yesterday at an Amenity meeting I said the pledge with the inclusion no problem.

As an Irish Catholic my family experienced racism against the Irish....I was not old enough to see them but my father saw the signs "Irish need not apply". Fortunately for me I had strong aunts who bucked the system, one of which ended up as a high school principle in New Jersey during the 50's.


Please read about the trigger warnings, the micro aggression and the disciple policies and give you viewpoint in them

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Freudian slip ? 😀

NOT disciple, but DISCIPLINE

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I posted a number of links and quotes on trigger warnings and micro aggression and if you sincerely were scarred by your education experience, you will be SHOCKED and APPALLED at what is being done to young brains now.

I read your links on trigger warnings. Personally, I have no problem with that but each to their own.

Can you enlighten us with the number and percentage of public and private elementary, middle, high schools, colleges and universities that are currently using these trigger warnings and micro-aggression on a regular and recurring basis?

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I read your links on trigger warnings. Personally, I have no problem with that but each to their own.

Can you enlighten us with the number and percentage of public and private elementary, middle, high schools, colleges and universities that are currently using these trigger warnings and micro-aggression on a regular and recurring basis?

Well, we DO have a disagreement them.

I have a real big problem with filtering FACTS through a filter that includes your color, heritage, etc. Facts are facts and need to be taught regardless of the students heritage, skin color or anything. It is scary that anyone would be ok with that kind of thing.

I have no idea of how many. Since this does not bother you then it makes no difference. The thread is about the assault on our freedoms, but if it doe not bother anyone, then I am just in error here.

I would not want my child to be educated but filter what he/she is taught because the facts are hard to hear.

I would not want discipline to be meted out dependent on the color of the child's skin. Rules are rules and all you do is teach children to EXPECT priveleges because of their skin color. I mush have misunderstood, as I thought our goal was the opposite. No wonder American children not only don't know much but certainly do not know why.....it appears we are protecting them.

YES I KNOW THE EXCEPTIONS...again the point of this thread, to me anyway, is an assault on freedoms. You can be disciplined if you display things that offend others...thought that was what free speech was about. You will not be taught anything that upsets you..that does not sound like my freedom to learn and be availed the facts. You will not be disciplined if black or whatever...guess that depends.

You can like it...I do not.

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Well, we DO have a disagreement them.

I have a real big problem with filtering FACTS through a filter that includes your color, heritage, etc. Facts are facts and need to be taught regardless of the students heritage, skin color or anything. It is scary that anyone would be ok with that kind of thing.

I have no idea of how many. Since this does not bother you then it makes no difference. The thread is about the assault on our freedoms, but if it doe not bother anyone, then I am just in error here.

I would not want my child to be educated but filter what he/she is taught because the facts are hard to hear.

I would not want discipline to be meted out dependent on the color of the child's skin. Rules are rules and all you do is teach children to EXPECT priveleges because of their skin color. I mush have misunderstood, as I thought our goal was the opposite. No wonder American children not only don't know much but certainly do not know why.....it appears we are protecting them.uu

YES I KNOW THE EXCEPTIONS...again the point of this thread, to me anyway, is an assault on freedoms. You can be disciplined if you display things that offend others...thought that was what free speech was about. You will not be taught anything that upsets you..that does not sound like my freedom to learn and be availed the facts. You will not be disciplined if black or whatever...guess that depends.

You can like it...I do not.

Yes, it does matter what the number and percentages of American public and private elementary, middle, high school, colleges and universities are teaching - and disciplining in those methods with trigger warnings and micro-aggressions.
It shows if this is a wide spread thing or just a microcosm. Please find and post if you are to be credible.

Have YOU ever had a very traumatic situation personally that seeing it again would make you re-live the pain? Those do happen. Joe Theissman had it happen after LT snapped his leg and he had to watch the slo-mo play on television over and over. Joe re-lived that horrible moment and never got over hearing that bone break. Rape trauma, burn trauma, or even taunting trauma can be debilitating for some people. Re-living it through film, books, or words can be unbearable.

As for different discipline, once again, you would have to show us the schools by location and how many times it happens for you to be credible on this claim.

As for displaying something that offends others and being punished being wrong since there is Freedom of Speech - imagine a high school teacher in downtown Detroit going to work wearing a tee shirt that has emblazoned "I Hate Muslims" on it. That teacher will not have a job any longer - but she was expressing Freedom of Speech, wasn't she. Right or wrong?

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Yes, it does matter what the number and percentages of American public and private elementary, middle, high school, colleges and universities are teaching - and disciplining in those methods with trigger warnings and micro-aggressions.
It shows if this is a wide spread thing or just a microcosm. Please find and post if you are to be credible.

Have YOU ever had a very traumatic situation personally that seeing it again would make you re-live the pain? Those do happen. Joe Theissman had it happen after LT snapped his leg and he had to watch the slo-mo play on television over and over. Joe re-lived that horrible moment and never got over hearing that bone break. Rape trauma, burn trauma, or even taunting trauma can be debilitating for some people. Re-living it through film, books, or words can be unbearable.

As for different discipline, once again, you would have to show us the schools by location and how many times it happens for you to be credible on this claim.

As for displaying something that offends others and being punished being wrong since there is Freedom of Speech - imagine a high school teacher in downtown Detroit going to work wearing a tee shirt that has emblazoned "I Hate Muslims" on it. That teacher will not have a job any longer - but she was expressing Freedom of Speech, wasn't she. Right or wrong?

If you read the links I supplied from the New York Times, and others, then you are aware of the scope.

Your examples leave me speechless. Comparing a football injury to educating children with historical reasoning on facts that are facts and are not related to you is quite a difference. To say to a child, I am not going to teach you this fact, or want to warn you that this fact might upset you is not even on the same planet as a football player watching tapes. Sorry, we view free speech and education through completely different prisms. Education coddling is a bit of a reach for me. "Oh I never studied that in school, I thought it would be too traumatic". Sorry, not my world I suppose. If that makes me insensitive,sorry, but the world is what it is, not what we wish it to be, and life is not going to allow you a pass because it might upset you.

And your other example, I am quite sure that a teacher wearing such a shirt is VIOLATING A SCHOOL DISTRICT POLICY. A man in a parade is not subject to those kinds of rules and regulations

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If you read the links I supplied from the New York Times, and others, then you are aware of the scope.

Your examples leave me speechless. Comparing a football injury to educating children with historical reasoning on facts that are facts and are not related to you is quite a difference. To say to a child, I am not going to teach you this fact, or want to warn you that this fact might upset you is not even on the same planet as a football player watching tapes. Sorry, we view free speech and education through completely different prisms. Education coddling is a bit of a reach for me. "Oh I never studied that in school, I thought it would be too traumatic". Sorry, not my world I suppose. If that makes me insensitive,sorry, but the world is what it is, not what we wish it to be, and life is not going to allow you a pass because it might upset you.

And your other example, I am quite sure that a teacher wearing such a shirt is VIOLATING A SCHOOL DISTRICT POLICY. A man in a parade is not subject to those kinds of rules and regulations

Your link from the NY Times says the trigger warnings are just proposals from some students.

You have lost ALL credibility and just want to rant about something that is not happening. Please come back when you have something real to contribute .
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Your link from the NY Times says the trigger warnings are just proposals from some students.

You have lost ALL credibility and just want to rant about something that is not happening. Please come back when you have something real to contribute .
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I have been called worse than "losing all credibility" and since I have no idea how to get your posts, I will assume that as you imply, you are a bit above me in all areas, HOWEVER....

May I suggest that, on your own which I know is possible because you are full of credibility, you investigate beyond a link given in answer to a question as to what it was. Yeah, I had to read to get that link and I bet with all your credibility that you can do the same. You mind find it is about more widespread than you think, but how would I know anything, right ?

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[QUOTE=Guest;1084591]I have been called worse than "losing all credibility" and since I have no idea how to get your posts, I will assume that as you imply, you are a bit above me in all areas./QUOTE]

Yes, I am. Thank you realizing that fact. Now, go have a drink of iced tea and relax.

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[QUOTE=Guest;1084591]I have been called worse than "losing all credibility" and since I have no idea how to get your posts, I will assume that as you imply, you are a bit above me in all areas./QUOTE]

Yes, I am. Thank you realizing that fact. Now, go have a drink of iced tea and relax.

ahhhh....NOW I know who you are. You have told me this a number of times over the years, how smart you are, and I surely follow your many comprehensive posts on all forums.

What a brilliant well informed and I bow to you and know when I am out of my league.

Will go away and just read your well documented, well thought out, deep and informative posts. See ya Lord S

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ahhhh....NOW I know who you are. You have told me this a number of times over the years, how smart you are, and I surely follow your many comprehensive posts on all forums.

What a brilliant well informed and I bow to you and know when I am out of my league.

Will go away and just read your well documented, well thought out, deep and informative posts. See ya Lord S

As you can see, I am not playing the name-calling game anymore. I will call out when something's is not presented in full, though. Still open to meeting over an iced tea anywhere you choose. How about burying the hatchet?

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As you can see, I am not playing the name-calling game anymore. I will call out when something's is not presented in full, though. Still open to meeting over an iced tea anywhere you choose. How about burying the hatchet?

With apologies to other posters

Sorry, Lord...too long a period of time of lies and personal insults for me to even think of trust. If you are still doing what you have done over the years..cannot tell on here for sure...but if that is you, really nothing has changed.

As you said, I have no credibility at all, and you soar above me so I best leave your playground, which I thought was changing but obviously not. See ya

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The usual nonsense from the TOTV "get off of my lawn" crowd. If you worry about progressives and what they are teaching kids in school. There is hope for all of you Tea Party conservatives in Texas and Louisiana.

Was Moses a Founding Father? - The Atlantic (http://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2014/11/was-moses-a-founding-father/383153/)

Loch Ness monster cited by US schools as evidence that evolution is myth - The Scotsman (http://www.scotsman.com/news/odd/loch-ness-monster-cited-by-us-schools-as-evidence-that-evolution-is-myth-1-2373903)

So next time you read about US students being behind the rest of the world in math and science, give a big shout out to dopes like Rick Perry and "Bobby" Jindahl for their proud contributions to education.

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The usual nonsense from the TOTV "get off of my lawn" crowd. If you worry about progressives and what they are teaching kids in school. There is hope for all of you Tea Party conservatives in Texas and Louisiana.

Was Moses a Founding Father? - The Atlantic (http://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2014/11/was-moses-a-founding-father/383153/)

Loch Ness monster cited by US schools as evidence that evolution is myth - The Scotsman (http://www.scotsman.com/news/odd/loch-ness-monster-cited-by-us-schools-as-evidence-that-evolution-is-myth-1-2373903)

So next time you read about US students being behind the rest of the world in math and science, give a big shout out to dopes like Rick Perry and "Bobby" Jindahl for their proud contributions to education.

While I disagree and take offense to the attitude reflected in your post, I agree and thank you for the links, although the one from Scotland just confused me.

I could care less what party is trying to change history for some political gain, it is totally wrong.

BUT the thread was/is not about what you posted.

This thread is about already approved subject matter and allowing what I will call a pause because of some perceived hurt.

IT IS NOT ABOUT SELECTING TEXT BOOKS THUS YOUR USUAL NONSENSE COMMENT WAS UNNECESSARY.

IF I were you, I would revisit the definitions of the two terms being discussed and this time pay attention. If you want to begin a thread on text book selection, I think you should, but your post has no relevance to what has been or is being discussed.

If I sound "short" I just do not understand people who have this need to be snide, and it is they who are not even speaking to the subject.

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Another comment to the poster who had a need to change the subject of the thread and broach something that has not even been mentioned.....what, may I ask, allows you the arrogance to call two sitting Governors "stupid" ? If you have a need to do that, have the honesty to at least validate it in some way.

I am sure your personal background would put to shame Gov Jindals degree from Brown University. His acceptance at both Harvard Medical school and Yale law school, but I am sure your resume would show him to be stupid. Studying at Oxford, and becoming a Rhodes Scholar sure did not bring him to your status, but he tried.

I do not offer much support for President Obama, or Ms Clinton, but I could not even bring myself to type and call them stupid under any circumstances.

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I apologize.....poster did not call the Governors "stupid".....he referred to them as "dopes"

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Can't resist always attacking the source and ignoring the message....oh well.

Of course I do not believe ALL of the residents of DC want to tear down the Jefferson Memorial or rename Washington, DC just like all of the Americans who do not want the confederate flag treated as it has been in recent weeks!!!!

You obviously are aware that the laws of the land do not take into consideration any majority anymore. They respond to special interests and minority representations that meet the current political agenda and amplified for false credibility by the media.

Just like one person can get a school board to change something their child does not like in school.

Just like one person can object to the 10 commandments being in a public place.

Or how about the few who do not want to offend anybody by saying Merry CHRISTmas.

Sorry........your notion of ALL having to back a position does not work in America any more......and YOU know it!

so individuals should have no voice in government?

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Without the words plantation, antebellum, carpet ******?

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so individuals should have no voice in government?

Lack of reading comprehension

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Need to "fire back"

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Lack of information

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so individuals should have no voice in government?

Do you actually re read before you hit SUBMIT ?

Did you honestly believe the poster meant this ?

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Please read about the trigger warnings, the micro aggression and the disciple policies and give you viewpoint in them


I have done some due diligence on the subject of micro aggression and trigger warnings.

Lets start with micro aggression:

You and I could have some fun with this one... I read several articles regarding this theory for the most part I have been cracking up ever since. While this theory was first described in the early 1970's but it really didn't come up until a group students at UCLA declared the campus to be a hostile atmosphere. When I reviewed the content of a list of these racial slurs it reminded me of the ebonics thing in Berkeley a few years ago. Here are some links to the best comments I was able to find.....

Microaggression and Changing Moral Cultures - Commentary - The Chronicle of Higher Education (http://chronicle.com/article/MicroaggressionChanging/231395/)

Urban Dictionary: Trigger warning (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Trigger+warning)

Not sure how you go into being worried about this but from my research this "movement" is not going all that well.

Take Care.

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I have done some due diligence on the subject of micro aggression and trigger warnings.

Lets start with micro aggression:

You and I could have some fun with this one... I read several articles regarding this theory for the most part I have been cracking up ever since. While this theory was first described in the early 1970's but it really didn't come up until a group students at UCLA declared the campus to be a hostile atmosphere. When I reviewed the content of a list of these racial slurs it reminded me of the ebonics thing in Berkeley a few years ago. Here are some links to the best comments I was able to find.....

Microaggression and Changing Moral Cultures - Commentary - The Chronicle of Higher Education (http://chronicle.com/article/MicroaggressionChanging/231395/)

Urban Dictionary: Trigger warning (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Trigger+warning)

Not sure how you go into being worried about this but from my research this "movement" is not going all that well.

Take Care.

I am glad you find humor in this subject..this is from your first link...speaking of micro aggression

"The conflict is important because its outcome will determine the fate of higher education. Victimhood culture and its manifestations on campus threaten the goals of the academy. Honest inquiry and communication are bound to offend someone, and, if colleges are to continue, they must have a climate in which people are less — not more — prone to outrage than elsewhere."


The purpose of your second link talking about computer talking is well beyond me and has nothing to do with the concern not even broaches the subject being discussed.

This is from an article in Time Magazine from March of last year...they do not seem to find the humor that you did...

"Here’s what they are: The concept of microaggression has leapt from the shadows of academic writing into the bright light of general conversation, especially in the wake of widely consulted work by professors Derald Wing Sue and Madonna Constantine over the last seven or so years. Microaggressions, as these academics describe them, are quiet, often unintended slights — racist or sexist — that make a person feel underestimated on the basis of their color or gender."

They wrap this article up with....

"However, there is something equally counterproductive about the microaggression concept, at least as it is currently being put forth. The scholars promoting this concept claim that it is a microaggression even when someone says “I don’t see you as black,” or claims to be colorblind, or purports not to be a sexist, or in general doesn’t “acknowledge” one’s race membership or gender.

But let’s face it — it’s considered racist for whites to treat any trait as “black.” If we accept that, then we can’t turn around and say they’re racists to look at black people as just people. That particular aspect of the microaggression notion seems fixed so that whites can’t do anything right"


'Microaggression' Is the New Racism on Campus - TIME (http://time.com/32618/microaggression-is-the-new-racism-on-campus/)

AGAIN, the humor you saw in links that do not even apply to the subject being discussed seems to have escaped them.
AGAIN, the humor you saw in links that do not even apply to the subject being discussed seems to have escaped them.

I am sure you have heard of the magazine Psychology Today....I think they ta
am sure you have heard of the magazine Psychology Today....I think they take things seriously.....they took it from the campus where you evidently left it...


"Microaggressions are typically associated with everyday verbal and nonverbal slights, insults and putdowns directed towards socially devalued group members. However, environmental microaggressions can reside in the "climate" of an institution or even in the broader society. For example, when women in the workplace enter a conference room where portraits of all the past male CEOs or board of directors are honorifically displayed, the message given is that women are less competent and that a glass ceiling exists in the company. Over the past few months, similar environmental microaggressions have been communicated via the guise of the debates surrounding federal and state budget woes. In particular, the issue of developing a federal budget was and continues to be complicated by several issues, including America's growing deficit and the proposed tactics for reducing the deficit. Now, this posting is not going to advocate for a particular tactic for reducing America's deficit, but instead will discuss the covert messages communicated by the debate surrounding proposed budget cuts, specifically concerning Planned Parenthood."

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/microaggressions-in-everyday-life/201105/the-federal-budget-debate-environmental

So it is not even all about race as you presented it. And one thing you were close to correct....it did begin in the 70's but is not as restricted as you see it.

"The term racial microaggressions was first proposed by psychiatrist Chester M. Pierce, MD, in the 1970s, but psychologists have significantly amplified the concept in recent years.
In his landmark work on stereotype threat, for instance, Stanford University psychology professor Claude Steele, PhD, has shown that African-Americans and women perform worse on academic tests when primed with stereotypes about race or gender. Women who were primed with stereotypes about women's poor math performance do worse on math tests. Blacks' intelligence test scores plunge when they're primed with stereotypes about blacks' inferior intelligence.
Meanwhile, social psychologists Jack Dovidio, PhD, of Yale University, and Samuel L. Gaertner, PhD, of the University of Delaware, have demonstrated across several studies that many well-intentioned whites who consciously believe in and profess equality unconsciously act in a racist manner, particularly in ambiguous circumstances. In experimental job interviews, for example, whites tend not to discriminate against black candidates when their qualifications are as strong or as weak as whites'. But when candidates' qualifications are similarly ambiguous, whites tend to favor white over black candidates, the team has found. The team calls this pattern "aversive racism," referring in part to whites' aversion to being seen as prejudiced, given their conscious adherence to egalitarian principles.
Sue adds to these findings by naming, detailing and classifying the actual manifestations of aversive racism. His work illuminates the internal experiences of people affected by microaggressions—a new direction, since past research on prejudice and discrimination has focused on whites' attitudes and behaviors, notes Dovidio.
"The study of microaggressions looks at the impact of these subtle racial expressions from the perspective of the people being victimized, so it adds to our psychological understanding of the whole process of stigmatization and bias," Dovidio says.
Research shows that uncertainty is very distressing to people, Dovidio adds. "It's the uncertainty of microaggressions that can have such a tremendous impact on people of color," including on the job, in academic performance and even in therapy, he and others find.

Unmasking 'racial micro aggressions': Some racism is so subtle that neither victim nor perpetrator may entirely understand what is going on--which may be especially toxic for people of color (http://www.apa.org/monitor/2009/02/microaggression.aspx)

So, as always you mock something that is serious which means something but I sure do not get it. Why is everything with you something to mock and make fun of without even understanding what you are talking about.

I hope that my links do not keep you from "cracking up" as you say this subject made you......it is a movement; it is a serious movement; and I find no humor.

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Now on Trigger Warnings....I am sorry that the only link you could find was the Urban Dictionary....not sure what that means....but here is some reading and I sure hope I am not being a downer on all the humor you get from this stuff....

From the New York Times...

"Should students about to read “The Great Gatsby” be forewarned about “a variety of scenes that reference gory, abusive and misogynistic violence,” as one Rutgers student proposed? Would any book that addresses racism — like “The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn” or “Things Fall Apart” — have to be preceded by a note of caution? Do sexual images from Greek mythology need to come with a viewer-beware label?

Colleges across the country this spring have been wrestling with student requests for what are known as “trigger warnings,” explicit alerts that the material they are about to read or see in a classroom might upset them or, as some students assert, cause symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder in victims of rape or in war veterans.

The warnings, which have their ideological roots in feminist thought, have gained the most traction at the University of California, Santa Barbara, where the student government formally called for them. But there have been similar requests from students at Oberlin College, Rutgers University, the University of Michigan, George Washington University and other schools.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/18/us/warning-the-literary-canon-could-make-students-squirm.html?_r=0

This is from the Boston Globe, and despite you finding all this funny...cracking up is the word...they seem to find it serious enough.

"WARNING: THIS column may contain material you disagree with or find offensive. It may provoke a strong reaction, making you feel angry or exposed. Of course, you can log off or turn the page. But this is the opinion section of a general-interest newspaper. Shouldn’t you expect to find provocative, even threatening ideas? And shouldn’t other readers be able to see this column without a cautionary note that it might do them harm?

Something similar is happening on college campuses, where reasonable concern for students who may have suffered terrible traumas has morphed into a serious threat to intellectual freedom. Increasingly, students are expecting “trigger warnings’’ to be issued before they are asked to read certain texts or view course material that may be troubling. It can be something as raw as a graphic rape scene or a bloody wartime battle, or more conceptual, such as themes of racism or oppression. At some schools, students want to be allowed to skip a class or reading if they fear it will trigger a stressful reaction."

https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2014/05/21/trigger-warnings-dangerous-idea-campus/ercxPOCUtzvMJTUl4Es32I/story.html#

Everything that others say is not fodder for your mocking and making fun. You actually used the URBAN DICTIONARY to say something or other about Trigger Warnings. Sometimes it is nice to have a conversation with an adult who actually is aware of what is going on.

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Now on Trigger Warnings....I am sorry that the only link you could find was the Urban Dictionary....not sure what that means....but here is some reading and I sure hope I am not being a downer on all the humor you get from this stuff....

From the New York Times...

"Should students about to read “The Great Gatsby” be forewarned about “a variety of scenes that reference gory, abusive and misogynistic violence,” as one Rutgers student proposed? Would any book that addresses racism — like “The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn” or “Things Fall Apart” — have to be preceded by a note of caution? Do sexual images from Greek mythology need to come with a viewer-beware label?

Colleges across the country this spring have been wrestling with student requests for what are known as “trigger warnings,” explicit alerts that the material they are about to read or see in a classroom might upset them or, as some students assert, cause symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder in victims of rape or in war veterans.

The warnings, which have their ideological roots in feminist thought, have gained the most traction at the University of California, Santa Barbara, where the student government formally called for them. But there have been similar requests from students at Oberlin College, Rutgers University, the University of Michigan, George Washington University and other schools.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/18/us/warning-the-literary-canon-could-make-students-squirm.html?_r=0

This is from the Boston Globe, and despite you finding all this funny...cracking up is the word...they seem to find it serious enough.

"WARNING: THIS column may contain material you disagree with or find offensive. It may provoke a strong reaction, making you feel angry or exposed. Of course, you can log off or turn the page. But this is the opinion section of a general-interest newspaper. Shouldn’t you expect to find provocative, even threatening ideas? And shouldn’t other readers be able to see this column without a cautionary note that it might do them harm?

Something similar is happening on college campuses, where reasonable concern for students who may have suffered terrible traumas has morphed into a serious threat to intellectual freedom. Increasingly, students are expecting “trigger warnings’’ to be issued before they are asked to read certain texts or view course material that may be troubling. It can be something as raw as a graphic rape scene or a bloody wartime battle, or more conceptual, such as themes of racism or oppression. At some schools, students want to be allowed to skip a class or reading if they fear it will trigger a stressful reaction."

https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2014/05/21/trigger-warnings-dangerous-idea-campus/ercxPOCUtzvMJTUl4Es32I/story.html#

Everything that others say is not fodder for your mocking and making fun. You actually used the URBAN DICTIONARY to say something or other about Trigger Warnings. Sometimes it is nice to have a conversation with an adult who actually is aware of what is going on.

Look obviously this is quite serious to you.....but I found this quote pretty fun

Some colleges have moved toward an institutionalized recognition of micro aggression. The student government of Ithaca College, for example, passed a bill calling for a campus wide online system through which students could anonymously report micro aggressions. The University of California system has issued guidelines for faculty members warning that statements such as "America is a melting pot" or "I believe the most qualified person should get the job" could be micro aggressions.

In response to that document, the UCLA law professor Eugene Volokh wrote, "Well, I’m happy to say that I’m just going to keep on microaggressing." Clearly not everyone is on board with these kinds of policies. From the Chronicle of Higher Education....

How in the H*LL can "I believe the most qualified should get the job" be a micro aggression? It's just plain stupid.

Don't know why you are so fired up about it but you are.... You asked me to look into this, which I very diligently did. I just don't share your passion....

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Look obviously this is quite serious to you.....but I found this quote pretty fun

Some colleges have moved toward an institutionalized recognition of micro aggression. The student government of Ithaca College, for example, passed a bill calling for a campus wide online system through which students could anonymously report micro aggressions. The University of California system has issued guidelines for faculty members warning that statements such as "America is a melting pot" or "I believe the most qualified person should get the job" could be micro aggressions.

In response to that document, the UCLA law professor Eugene Volokh wrote, "Well, I’m happy to say that I’m just going to keep on microaggressing." Clearly not everyone is on board with these kinds of policies. From the Chronicle of Higher Education....

How in the H*LL can "I believe the most qualified should get the job" be a micro aggression? It's just plain stupid.

Don't know why you are so fired up about it but you are.... You asked me to look into this, which I very diligently did. I just don't share your passion....

Yours is probably the most sensible post on here!
I can understand the trigger warnings but seriously doubt if they would be hoked onto well known pieces of literature. Before graphic films, yes, but not literature.
Micro-aggressions are a new one to me. I really doubt if those are taken seriously in college and certainly not in lower grades in school.

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I am the OP on this thread and the reason I referenced "trigger warnings" and "micro aggressions" in my original post was because it clearly illustrated a phrase I define in such actions. People serious about and experiencing trigger warning and micro-aggressions are what I refer to as"intellecutalizing themselves into stupidity". It is circular thinking at best and a serious emotional issue at its worse. And the one thing they all have in common is "self" Its all about them

What intelligent person goes through his or her life viewing everything and anything as having some intentional slight. It borders on paranoia and thus you are never going to have a cogent discussion with such a person.

So the next time one of you find your instant reaction, in a discussion, to be he is a racist, a bigot, a homophobic you may want to re-examine why you pulled the trigger so quickly on your opinion and consider that the speaker is referencing something else entirely.

Personal Bet Regards:

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I happen to agree with the OP that this is a very disturbing trend and how anyone as the one posters insists finds this funny escapes me.

Thomas Sowell, just a few weeks ago said this about micro aggression...

"Word games are just one of the ways of silencing politically incorrect ideas, instead of debating them. Demands that various conservative organizations be forced to reveal the names of their donors are another way of silencing ideas by intimidating people who facilitate the spread of those ideas. Whatever the rationale for wanting those names, the implicit threat is retaliation.

This same tactic was used, decades ago, by Southern segregationists who tried to force black civil rights organizations to reveal the names of their donors, in a situation where retaliation might have included violence as well as economic losses.

In a sense, the political left’s attempts to silence ideas they cannot, or will not, debate are a confession of intellectual bankruptcy. But this is just one of the left’s ever-increasing restrictions on other people’s freedom to live their lives as they see fit, rather than as their betters tell them.

- See more at: Thomas Sowell: 'Micro-aggression' is micro-totalitarianism | New Hampshire (http://www.unionleader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20150617/OPINION02/150619269#sthash.HD9CDG9U.dpuf)

While some find it funny, I find it a bit unnerving that something like this has gained such momentum.

From JULY 9, 2015

Microaggression and Changing Moral Cultures - Commentary - The Chronicle of Higher Education (http://chronicle.com/article/MicroaggressionChanging/231395/)

FROM JULY 10, 2015

University of California System Stirs Up 'Microaggression' Debate, but is it Too Much? : News : University Herald (http://www.universityherald.com/articles/20950/20150710/university-of-california-system-stirs-up-microaggression-debate-but-is-it-too-much.htm)

From June 30, 2015

Wisconsin university dubs 'America is a melting pot' a racial microaggression - The College Fix (http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/23135/)

To those who feel this is a non serious and even fun thing, I do not know what to say.

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The fireman in MN had absolutely no right to fly a Confederate flag on what the OP calls "his fire engine". The choice to put that flag on the truck at this time is a very very clear political statement supporting that flag. I don't think he was just supporting the Dukes of Hazzard, but it does not matter what I think.

The truck is not his personal billboard. The truck belongs to the government and is absolutely not "his fire engine" If the fireman had instead chosen to fly the hammer and sickle flag of the old USSR would that have been ok? If he had chosen to fly the rainbow flag of the gay right's movement, would that have been ok? He can do what he wants on his own car, and take the flak he gets for his decision as a private person. But he has no "freedom" to use the government's vehicle for his personal speech. That he even for one moment thought that adding the KKK's favorite flag to fly alongside the US Flag makes me seriously question this person's wisdom.

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The title of this thread has intrigued me: "The Assaults on Freedoms by Progressives".

Don't they realize that "progressive" means to go forward?:22yikes:

The opposite of "progressive" is "REGRESSIVE".

Would you rather be identified as a Progressive or a Regressive?

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Really only those two choices?
I think not. Maybe for those who have a preconceived notion that a position must be one or it is the other. Most issues in life are not that simple.

And the sadditional notion that one is better than the opposite is also agenda convenience and nothing more.

For example where would the status quo fit in/ Well it doesn't if one limits the choices to only two.

The problem of today is just that; some folks just do not take the time or some are not capable of or just do not want to think beyond what they feel is convenient or obvious. Because it is easy and does not require much if any thought processing.

The classic used in open thinking classes? How many uses are there for burned out light bulbs? A rule of the session is no laughing or ridculing any suggestions (which is a matter of course for some here). The objective is to determine how many uses there are. To help some out here is a short list of 20:

20 Brilliant Ways to Repurpose Lightbulbs | Brit + Co (http://www.brit.co/repurpose-lightbulbs/)

The notion of being limited to a concept of being ONLY one or another is just not reality.....no matter how it is presented or stated.

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The title of this thread has intrigued me: "The Assaults on Freedoms by Progressives".

Don't they realize that "progressive" means to go forward?:22yikes:

The opposite of "progressive" is "REGRESSIVE".

Would you rather be identified as a Progressive or a Regressive?

Given the choice between just two radical views, and no others ?

For me, that is easy...regressive. And that term does not apply, but as usual, as this thread points out, control of the conversation becomes vital to progressives. Either stifle conversation on certain subjects because THEY find it offensive, or choose the choices. They want racial discourse, but they pick the manner, otherwise you are a racist. They want illegal immigration discussions, but they pick what you shouldn't say or you are a bigot.

And you do understand, with your question you totally ignore anyone who does not go to the extreme, and in doing so, really point out the problem.

There are some who find it cute to use "regressive" in posts, but they do so to mock, AND to stifle any real conversation, which was the premise of the OP.

Really...only two choices...progressive or regressive..come on

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I think there are other choices other than PROGRESSIVE or REGRESSIVE

"“I’m not a liberal. Never have been. I’m a progressive who mostly focuses on the working and middle class.”

That is Bernie Sanders as quoted jn the NY TIMES today.......

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/12/upshot/class-or-ideology-my-conversation-with-bernie-sanders.html?hpw&rref=politics&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=well-region&region=bottom-well&WT.nav=bottom-well&_r=0&abt=0002&abg=1

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Given the choice between just two radical views, and no others ?

For me, that is easy...regressive. And that term does not apply, but as usual, as this thread points out, control of the conversation becomes vital to progressives. Either stifle conversation on certain subjects because THEY find it offensive, or choose the choices. They want racial discourse, but they pick the manner, otherwise you are a racist. They want illegal immigration discussions, but they pick what you shouldn't say or you are a bigot.

And you do understand, with your question you totally ignore anyone w
ho does not go to the extreme, and in doing so, really point out the problem.

There are some who find it cute to use "regressive" in posts, but they do so to mock, AND to stifle any real conversation, which was the premise of the OP.

Really...only two choices...progressive or regressive..come on

Well, you can go forward (progress), go backward (regress), or stay put ( status quo).

Which leads somewhere? Which shows gains? The answer is Progress!

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Well, you can go forward (progress), go backward (regress), or stay put ( status quo).

Which leads somewhere? Which shows gains? The answer is Progress!

If only REAL life was as simple as yours seems to be !

Give everyone a label, and then you define those labels and that is it....pretty simple, hey ?

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If only REAL life was as simple as yours seems to be !

Give everyone a label, and then you define those labels and that is it....pretty simple, hey ?

And which label would you put on yourself? I am proud to be Progressive and looking forward to the future.

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Well, you can go forward (progress), go backward (regress), or stay put ( status quo).

Which leads somewhere? Which shows gains? The answer is Progress!

The answer is they all do.
Please don't try to convince us the only way forward is being a "progressive" what ever that really means.
Rather try to convince some of us that progress cannot be made by the status quo.
Or that progress cannot be made by going back (which by the way does not AUTOMATICALLY convey a negative...nice try).

We fully understand your world and it's drivers (that allow you what to say or not say) are not proponents of any other opinion/position/status than theirs is strictly forbidden and shall be challenged no matter how stupid the challenge may be.

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The answer is they all do.
Please don't try to convince us the only way forward is being a "progressive" what ever that really means.
Rather try to convince some of us that progress cannot be made by the status quo.
Or that progress cannot be made by going back (which by the way does not AUTOMATICALLY convey a negative...nice try).

We fully understand your world and it's drivers (that allow you what to say or not say) are not proponents of any other opinion/position/status than theirs is strictly forbidden and shall be challenged no matter how stupid the challenge may be.

If you are the status quo just standing still, you will be run over by those going forward. If you are a Regressive, you are stuck in the past and have learned absolutely nothing.

Climb aboard the plane of the future and experience what is waiting for you.

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And which label would you put on yourself? I am proud to be Progressive and looking forward to the future.

I place no labels on myself or anyone.

BUT, interesting and as you like to say..."fun"....recall on post 46 when your were so enjoying the making fun of me and said it was fun. Well, you used the URBAN DICTIONARY in speaking of trigger warnings......

WELL, here is your URBAN DICTIONARY on PROGRESSIVES......only posting this because you use this source thus trying to be accommodating.....

"Progressive
A term that former liberals co-opted when they discovered that their delusional beliefs didn't fit any recognized definition of the word liberal.

These fools are frequently self-loathing, unsuccessful losers who can only feel better by projecting their failures onto their opponents.

A "Progressive" is identified by the following behaviors/beliefs:

- Knows what is best for everybody else
- Claims to be well-informed even though they get their news/talking points from the Daily KOS and/or MSNBC

- Believes that personal wealth is evil yrt they fawn over wealthy celebrities and limousine liberals

- Believes corporations and profit are evil, and will tweet about this 24/7 on their fancy iPad

- Thinks name-calling and demonizing opponents is the same as debate

- Accuses every person with a dissenting view of being a racist

- Supported Occupy Wall Street from the comfort of their living room, not the rape tent

- Drives a Prius with a COEXIST bumper sticker
- Believes in the rights of everyone, except those who disagree

- Thinks the Constitution is flawed because they can't control all 3 branches of government

- Believes YOUR success could only have come at THEIR expense

- Believes Al Gore is right about global warming, even though his carbon footprint 100X of the average person

- Thinks voter identification is racist, because it discriminates against dead people


They then give an example to finish it off...

"Conservative: I believe in personal responsibility and smaller government

Progressive: You racist hate-monger

Conservative: You said you believed in equal rights for everybody

Progressive: Racist! You should die!"

Urban Dictionary: progressive (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=progressive)

Would never access this but thought for you since it is a favorite of yours.

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I place no labels on myself or anyone.

BUT, interesting and as you like to say..."fun"....recall on post 46 when your were so enjoying the making fun of me and said it was fun. Well, you used the URBAN DICTIONARY in speaking of trigger warnings......

WELL, here is your URBAN DICTIONARY on PROGRESSIVES......only posting this because you use this source thus trying to be accommodating.....

"Progressive
A term that former liberals co-opted when they discovered that their delusional beliefs didn't fit any recognized definition of the word liberal.

These fools are frequently self-loathing, unsuccessful losers who can only feel better by projecting their failures onto their opponents. not self loathing nor a loser.

A "Progressive" is identified by the following behaviors/beliefs:

- Knows what is best for everybody else .
- Claims to be well-informed even though they get their news/talking points from the Daily KOS and/or MSNBC

- Believes that personal wealth is evil yrt they fawn over wealthy celebrities and limousine liberals

- Believes corporations and profit are evil, and will tweet about this 24/7 on their fancy iPad I do not tweet.

- Thinks name-calling and demonizing opponents is the same as debate

- Accuses every person with a dissenting view of being a racist

- Supported Occupy Wall Street from the comfort of their living room, not the rape tent

- Drives a Prius with a COEXIST bumper sticker I drive a Lexus.
- Believes in the rights of everyone, except those who disagree

- Thinks the Constitution is flawed because they can't control all 3 branches of government

- Believes YOUR success could only have come at THEIR expense

- Believes Al Gore is right about global warming, even though his carbon footprint 100X of the average person

- Thinks voter identification is racist, because it discriminates against dead people


They then give an example to finish it off...

"Conservative: I believe in personal responsibility and smaller government

Progressive: You racist hate-monger

Conservative: You said you believed in equal rights for everybody

Progressive: Racist! You should die!" Quakers do not believe in violence!

Urban Dictionary: progressive (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=progressive)

Would never access this but thought for you since it is a favorite of yours.

Friend,
I did not write post 46. I did write post 50.
i am sure you can find a real dictionary to tell you what a Progressive means. Look at the lifestyle of Quakers. Study Former VP Wallace.

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Friend,
I did not write post 46. I did write post 50.
i am sure you can find a real dictionary to tell you what a Progressive means. Look at the lifestyle of Quakers. Study Former VP Wallace.

I APOLOGIZE TO YOU AND ANYONE WHO HAS TO READ THAT !!

I thought I was speaking or posting to the same guy who mocks constantly and used that source earlier. I would NEVER use a source like that and am sorry.

As a serious answer then to your question about how I would label myself.

I truly can see both sides of issues for the most part. I was an active Democrat for years and left the party in the 70's over what I perceived as a wrong concerning minorities and how they were "handling" them.

I probably lean more conservative and much of that is a resistance to the "in your face" progressive movement in the country. I believe the progressive movement is manipulating us and encroaching on all of our liberties. While they like to speak about how empathetic they are, I find except of the idealistic young, to be using minorities in this country to their own benefit.

I think the future which you look forward to is gong to be bleak. For a few reasons. The progressive movement, which is basically socialism, has failed at every turn in every place it ever had a foothold. IT guarantees financial downfall if allowed to go unchecked. To allow unrest in the name of justice is wrong. To tolerate and approve of unrest in the name of justice is wrong. I marched alongside Martin Luther King in 1965 and he would be appalled at that things that are said and done in his name.

I think that progressives are destroying free speech, as I have alluded to in a number of posts. If you want a conversation on an issue, you need two sides. Progressives do not want conversations. The minute you express yours and it differs from theirs, they will brand you in some manner. It may be racist, it may be bigot, it may be stupid, but they will brand you. Progressives do in fact follow strictly the teaching of Saul Alinsky. Although many politicians of all stripes have studied Alinsky, the progressive movement led by a man (our President) who actually TAUGHT Alinsky principles.

Since your question was aimed at me personally, I will share this with you...I opposed President Obama in 2008, but once he was elected, I thought that it was going to be ok, because I felt strongly about many of the same things he did....health care was one of them. After watching his actions leading up to the Affordable Health Care approval I was dismayed. He mocked and ignored the opponents, lied about how he would proceed and smiled about it all smugly while Reid controlled the Senate on his behalf by violating so many rules. He has not changed much. I am not much into the "in your face"...my way or the highway kind of politics.

I also believe that our next President must be someone who will make an effort to be a statesman and reach across the aisle. I know I am anti Clinton because she is a divider in every way. I have no idea which candidate I will vote for as I need to wait until serious questions are asked of the candidates.

Just trying to paint a picture of who I am. On Trump, of course he is brash, naive, and will not get close the nomination BUT he is bringing up things that need to be discussed and of course as I mentioned being called all kind of names based on I have no idea what, but he can take that and does not care. Problem is that the progressive movement cannot be questioned on the things he brings up...but he IS more right than wrong.

I am tired of the pandering and that is what is happening. Those posters who wonder about our President and his stance on the street crimes, etc have very valid points. He has a bias, and to that he is certainly entitled and I think everyone understands that, but his total disregard for Law that he does not agree with is staggering. This country was founded on LAW, and that is our basis for being strong. In the riot cases, and I do not want to re hash all of that, but notice as time goes on, EVERYTHING that was said or implied was a lie. And our government stood and did not back the law, but a constituency instead. THAT bothers me.

So, call me a racist.call me a bigot...whatever but that name calling is not going to change my belief in the basic principles of this country. CHANGE is not always good.....PROGRESSION is not always good and that does not mean that any CHANGE OR PROGRESSION is always bad either.

It always amazes me that the progressive movement always has a need to be right and discussion is tabu. IF that were the case, life would be easy. Everyone vote straight Democratic party because they are right in everything. THAT is not the case, and since it is not, then they need to talk to the other side.

Oh, and one dividing rod always between the labels that you and others prefer is abortion. I am very anti abortion. That does not make me anti women rights, and that is the attitude we all get, which is typical...if you aint with me then you are this or that.....I believe that unborn child has a right to life as well, and believe that this country is basically being torn apart by the breakdown in the traditional family.

Sorry for all of this but feel bad about my link I posted and feel bad I mis read who you were. Sorry for that and sorry for the long rant....I just started to type and will probably regret things I said or didn't say but you get the basic idea and I try to address questions and not simply make smart aleck remarks.

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The title of this thread has intrigued me: "The Assaults on Freedoms by Progressives".

Don't they realize that "progressive" means to go forward?:22yikes:

The opposite of "progressive" is "REGRESSIVE".

Would you rather be identified as a Progressive or a Regressive?

Dear Guest: I am the OP on this thread. I agree with you that progressive means going forward. However that is where our agreement ends.

The facts are that progressives applications policies, etc are intended to eliminate individual and personal freedom and with replace it all with government control.

In the event this is lost on you it means that the war fought by our founding fathers to free us from the grasp of England's monarchy for our individual freedoms, fascist progressive are reversing by supplementing government control. It can also be stated as regressive policies.

The fireman from MN placed that flag on that fire truck as a act of civil disobedience because he recognized that progressive were at work utilizing Alinsky Tactics of dividing people. The purpose of dividing people is the opposite pole of uniting people because united we stand divided we fall.
Blacks exercise civil disobedience and progressives hail them as heroes but some white guy from MN is dealt with severely for his protest for freedoms.

People better wake up or we will soon be calling each other comrade.

Personal Best Regards:

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I APOLOGIZE TO YOU AND ANYONE WHO HAS TO READ THAT !!

I thought I was speaking or posting to the same guy who mocks constantly and used that source earlier. I would NEVER use a source like that and am sorry.

As a serious answer then to your question about how I would label myself.

I truly can see both sides of issues for the most part. I was an active Democrat for years and left the party in the 70's over what I perceived as a wrong concerning minorities and how they were "handling" them.

I probably lean more conservative and much of that is a resistance to the "in your face" progressive movement in the country. I believe the progressive movement is manipulating us and encroaching on all of our liberties. While they like to speak about how empathetic they are, I find except of the idealistic young, to be using minorities in this country to their own benefit.

I think the future which you look forward to is gong to be bleak. For a few reasons. The progressive movement, which is basically socialism, has failed at every turn in every place it ever had a foothold. IT guarantees financial downfall if allowed to go unchecked. To allow unrest in the name of justice is wrong. To tolerate and approve of unrest in the name of justice is wrong. I marched alongside Martin Luther King in 1965 and he would be appalled at that things that are said and done in his name.

I think that progressives are destroying free speech, as I have alluded to in a number of posts. If you want a conversation on an issue, you need two sides. Progressives do not want conversations. The minute you express yours and it differs from theirs, they will brand you in some manner. It may be racist, it may be bigot, it may be stupid, but they will brand you. Progressives do in fact follow strictly the teaching of Saul Alinsky. Although many politicians of all stripes have studied Alinsky, the progressive movement led by a man (our President) who actually TAUGHT Alinsky principles.

Since your question was aimed at me personally, I will share this with you...I opposed President Obama in 2008, but once he was elected, I thought that it was going to be ok, because I felt strongly about many of the same things he did....health care was one of them. After watching his actions leading up to the Affordable Health Care approval I was dismayed. He mocked and ignored the opponents, lied about how he would proceed and smiled about it all smugly while Reid controlled the Senate on his behalf by violating so many rules. He has not changed much. I am not much into the "in your face"...my way or the highway kind of politics.

I also believe that our next President must be someone who will make an effort to be a statesman and reach across the aisle. I know I am anti Clinton because she is a divider in every way. I have no idea which candidate I will vote for as I need to wait until serious questions are asked of the candidates.

Just trying to paint a picture of who I am. On Trump, of course he is brash, naive, and will not get close the nomination BUT he is bringing up things that need to be discussed and of course as I mentioned being called all kind of names based on I have no idea what, but he can take that and does not care. Problem is that the progressive movement cannot be questioned on the things he brings up...but he IS more right than wrong.

I am tired of the pandering and that is what is happening. Those posters who wonder about our President and his stance on the street crimes, etc have very valid points. He has a bias, and to that he is certainly entitled and I think everyone understands that, but his total disregard for Law that he does not agree with is staggering. This country was founded on LAW, and that is our basis for being strong. In the riot cases, and I do not want to re hash all of that, but notice as time goes on, EVERYTHING that was said or implied was a lie. And our government stood and did not back the law, but a constituency instead. THAT bothers me.

So, call me a racist.call me a bigot...whatever but that name calling is not going to change my belief in the basic principles of this country. CHANGE is not always good.....PROGRESSION is not always good and that does not mean that any CHANGE OR PROGRESSION is always bad either.

It always amazes me that the progressive movement always has a need to be right and discussion is tabu. IF that were the case, life would be easy. Everyone vote straight Democratic party because they are right in everything. THAT is not the case, and since it is not, then they need to talk to the other side.

Oh, and one dividing rod always between the labels that you and others prefer is abortion. I am very anti abortion. That does not make me anti women rights, and that is the attitude we all get, which is typical...if you aint with me then you are this or that.....I believe that unborn child has a right to life as well, and believe that this country is basically being torn apart by the breakdown in the traditional family.

Sorry for all of this but feel bad about my link I posted and feel bad I mis read who you were. Sorry for that and sorry for the long rant....I just started to type and will probably regret things I said or didn't say but you get the basic idea and I try to address questions and not simply make smart aleck remarks.

I wrote #46 and first thing is I'm NOT a guy. Second thing is I was not nor have I ever mocked anyone on this site.... I asked a question about micro-aggression and was told to check it out which I did. I thought the whole thing was funny....and stated so in a later post once I got hit for the comments.... Back to watching the Women's Open!!!!

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If you are the status quo just standing still, you will be run over by those going forward. If you are a Regressive, you are stuck in the past and have learned absolutely nothing.

Climb aboard the plane of the future and experience what is waiting for you.

So that is how you do it. Make up definitions you like that make or support your point. Then as quickly as possible crap on everybody who states ANYTHING inconsistent with your made up definitions. You certainly don't need much information doing it that way.

No matter how you choose to do it you do in fact consistently refuse to acknowledge anybody opinionsother than yours.

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You are absolutely right in that no movement can be 100% correct. I call myself a Progressive because of the leanings of my church - Quaker. We are an activist people, non-violent but activist. It dates to before the Civil War and then during the Civil War, Quakers helped slaves from the South run away and find new lives in the North or in Canada. During the Vietnam War, Quakers were protestors and were helpful in getting the US out of Vietnam. We did serve when called. I was drafted and went to Vietnam as a medic but never did carry a weapon.

The Urban Dictionary is used for humor, I believe, and to egg others on. I figured you were doing some of that and shrugged it off.

Do not discount the effect that Progressives or Liberals will have on this election. There are many of us out there and we include the factions not normally found in the Republican Party. It is not likely that these factions will join the Republicans and there will be some Republicans coming over to our side when topics such as women's rights and minority rights are discussed more openly.

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I wrote #46 and first thing is I'm NOT a guy. Second thing is I was not nor have I ever mocked anyone on this site.... I asked a question about micro-aggression and was told to check it out which I did. I thought the whole thing was funny....and stated so in a later post once I got hit for the comments.... Back to watching the Women's Open!!!!

I apologize totally. If I offended you in anyway, I am sorry. We can disagree but no reason to be rude.

I honestly thought I was posting directly to one of our resident wise kids.

I am sorry

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I apologize totally. If I offended you in anyway, I am sorry. We can disagree but no reason to be rude.

I honestly thought I was posting directly to one of our resident wise kids.

I am sorry

No worries.... I just enjoy the free exchange of ideas and hope to continue that with you in the future.

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The OP who tries always to seem so reasonable...

Why is it that you missed the reason the cake couple in Oregon was fined, or to put it differently, lied in your post about the reason if you really did read the ruling? Could you not be properly understanding why the fine was levied? Or do you just like to claim "liberty" and "freedom" are your side of the political fence's words?

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Micro aggression and trigger warnings.......cover of Atlantic

How Trigger Warnings Are Hurting Mental Health on Campus - The Atlantic (http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/09/the-coddling-of-the-american-mind/399356/)

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Sorry, if something offends one person, then it has to go. The new America. There you go, live with it or change it. Time for the majority to have a voice for a change and quit worrying so much about one person being offended. That's how we mature, by living with challenges.

Now, the POW flag is offensive to the pacifists, so they want it destroyed.

In my opinion, there is a difference between good manners and PC. Manners is knowing when not to use offensive language. PC is being afraid to to speak less you offense someone's sensitivities.

My wife wonders why I don't socialize very frequently. It's because I speak my piece, regardless of PC. But, I do have enough manners not to purposely try to offend. I find it offensive that being offensive is permitted for the Hollywood, comedy and musicians, but everyone else has to toe the line when it comes to "offensive" terms. Sorry, but think some folks just have thin skin and need to get a life.

Don't try to teach my grandchildren a new history. Don't teach them that what they learned in church is biased. And don't teach them that being wealthy is bad. And most of all don't teach them that American exceptionalism is evil. We are the best country in the World and no one should apologize for that. NOT EVEN THE PRESIDENT.

We are a country of majority. The majority makes the rules. Like it or not. Americans do not purposely attempt to hurt those that don't believe as we do, but we should not change our way of life to suit a small group of sensitive folks. If we feel that something is morally unacceptable, who are you to call us bigots. We tolerate something, but may not condone it. That does not make us bigots. Don't try to force us to accept your way or change our way. You accept that we do not agree with you and we are the majority. If you wish conformance, then you conform with the majority, not the other way around. I don't like cabbage but my wife does. She can eat it, but don't try to make me eat it. I don't forbid her from eating it and she doesn't force me to eat it. That way, we both get along. I don't get upset and wreck the house.

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Sorry, if something offends one person, then it has to go. The new America. There you go, live with it or change it. Time for the majority to have a voice for a change and quit worrying so much about one person being offended. That's how we mature, by living with challenges.

Now, the POW flag is offensive to the pacifists, so they want it destroyed.

In my opinion, there is a difference between good manners and PC. Manners is knowing when not to use offensive language. PC is being afraid to to speak less you offense someone's sensitivities.

My wife wonders why I don't socialize very frequently. It's because I speak my piece, regardless of PC. But, I do have enough manners not to purposely try to offend. I find it offensive that being offensive is permitted for the Hollywood, comedy and musicians, but everyone else has to toe the line when it comes to "offensive" terms. Sorry, but think some folks just have thin skin and need to get a life.

Don't try to teach my grandchildren a new history. Don't teach them that what they learned in church is biased. And don't teach them that being wealthy is bad. And most of all don't teach them that American exceptionalism is evil. We are the best country in the World and no one should apologize for that. NOT EVEN THE PRESIDENT.

We are a country of majority. The majority makes the rules. Like it or not. Americans do not purposely attempt to hurt those that don't believe as we do, but we should not change our way of life to suit a small group of sensitive folks. If we feel that something is morally unacceptable, who are you to call us bigots. We tolerate something, but may not condone it. That does not make us bigots. Don't try to force us to accept your way or change our way. You accept that we do not agree with you and we are the majority. If you wish conformance, then you conform with the majority, not the other way around. I don't like cabbage but my wife does. She can eat it, but don't try to make me eat it. I don't forbid her from eating it and she doesn't force me to eat it. That way, we both get along. I don't get upset and wreck the house.

Unfortunately the high lighted statement above is no longer tue in America.
is in itself a separate topic for another thread.

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I posted #74 about this cover of Atlantic in response to the mocking and derisive tone used about this subject, especially to the OP.

One poster said they looked it up, because They never heard of it, and thought it was "funny".

Because you are not aware of things does not mean they don't exist and does not mean they are funny.

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I had never heard the phrase "trigger warning" before today. I looked it up and recognize it. On television, the warning about "graphic situation and content" before "Law and Order" is a warning for parents to decide if they want their kids to look at the show. I can also understand how a rape victim might be traumatized by watching a show with a graphic rape scene. Those triggers are real! For example, I have had an extremely painful dislocated shoulder accident. I cannot comfortably see a person in a tv or movie situation who has a dislocated shoulder. I can only imagine what the feeling would be for a victim of a sexual assault seeing that on television.

I also looked up micro-aggressions. I did not think before how those could actually be hurtful to others. I am going to try and be more careful in what I say.

This makes a lot of sense. Before this thread, i had never heard of trigger warnings or micro-aggressions.

I have a friend who had a close call in a house fire several years ago. She now cannot watch a movie that contains scenes of fires. That, like the dislocated shoulder and rape trauma, are forms of PTSD. Basically, the triggers will set off remembered incidents that are too painful to endure.

The micro-aggressions might be hurtful to a few people who have thin skins but are usually not given in a way that was meant to convey belittling another person. Grow up and take it in the spirit of which it was intended.