Is this what we want as sidelines?

[kcrazorbackfan]

Is this what we want to see as sidelines in a few years? I wouldn't hope so. This stripe is in TV and it is about 3y/o.

[justjim]

Pretty, huh? Just a few I think really want them but be careful what you wish for! The safety engineer said NO---but some people already made up their minds about spending somebody's money. Enough said.

[Justus]

For the life of me, I can't see any possible benefit in having these stripes or spending this money.

[Number 6]

Pretty, huh? Just a few I think really want them but be careful what you wish for! The safety engineer said NO---but some people already made up their minds about spending somebody's money. Enough said.

Right you are! Why did we pay a boatful of money to the consultant when we made up our minds already? What a waste of money.

[Villageswimmer]

They're a safety hazard when wet.

[outlaw]

Is this what we want to see as sidelines in a few years? I wouldn't hope so. This stripe is in TV and it is about 3y/o.

That's because the county is responsible for those lines. That's government maintenance. Never enough money to do the job, and they always need more to do the job. The developer and the district reps WILL maintain the MMP lines. I'm not justifying these lines. I'm just saying they will be maintained.

[Barefoot]

Why did we pay a boatful of money to the consultant when we made up our minds already? What a waste of money.

Obviously the Consultants were supposed to give an expert opinion to support the mindset already in place.
When that didn't happen, the experts' recommendations were ignored. :ohdear:

[WhoDat]

Its always easier to spend someone else's money even on things someone else doesn't want. That's how governing bodies claim they are getting things done.

[justjim]

Has the Developer offered to pay for the maintenance? I haven't heard that the Developer would help pay for anything.

The Developer certainly could have stripped the MMP'S when they were built but apparently didn't believe it to be necessary. Perhaps he followed the advice of an Engineer.

[Bogie Shooter]

That's because the county is responsible for those lines. That's government maintenance. Never enough money to do the job, and they always need more to do the job. The developer and the district reps WILL maintain the MMP lines. I'm not justifying these lines. I'm just saying they will be maintained.

When did the Developer get involved?

[Topspinmo]

I don't keep up on scheduled meeting when decision about spending big money are the topic ( to me anything over 100k big money, but We managed and worked hard for what We got) Per attendants by comments I think few do?

IMO (now this is MY OPINION) I think voting boxes should be set up at the districts and you show your id ( proof your in the district) and allowed to vote in time frame. This IMO would be more accurate opinion poll. Then they could say well the majority voted for it ( I also think 65 % or so would be majority):throwtomatoes:

[villagetinker]

[QUOTE=justjim;1087909]Has the Developer offered to pay for the maintenance? I haven't heard that the Developer would help pay for anything.


It is my understanding that we are footing the installation cost, AND the maintenance costs going forward, forever.......:grumpy:

[Kevin and Luci]

Waste of funds that could be used elsewhere.

[Steve & Deanna]

Years ago, I put on a huge birthday party for Deanna. My daughter was in charge of menu, etc. etc. My point is the same point my daughter made.....when I thanked my daughter, she laughed and claimed "Dad, it's always easy to spend someone else's money." It seems like the stripes are like government spending money to protect ourselves from each other. How about a vote, full timers and snow birds like us who pay taxes?

[bagboy]

I would like for our elected supervisors to maintain and preserve what we have in The Villages, not look for new ways to spend district funds. It is clean, relatively safe, and beautiful here. That's why we chose to leave our hometowns and families and make this our new home.

[JoMar]

When did the Developer get involved?

He's not but seems people either are developer haters or are not clear on what the Developer is responsible for and what the District is responsible for.

[JoMar]

Years ago, I put on a huge birthday party for Deanna. My daughter was in charge of menu, etc. etc. My point is the same point my daughter made.....when I thanked my daughter, she laughed and claimed "Dad, it's always easy to spend someone else's money." It seems like the stripes are like government spending money to protect ourselves from each other. How about a vote, full timers and snow birds like us who pay taxes?

As I understand it, District 10 will be the most expensive and when complete we will pay approximately 7 bucks a year per roof top for the striping. Seems much ado about nothing and. I am against striping because I believe it will cheapen the look of TV.

[CWGUY]

He's not but seems people either are developer haters or are not clear on what the Developer is responsible for and what the District is responsible for.

:BigApplause: You said it better.... I would have said "Some people don't have a :censored: clue."

[kcrazorbackfan]

That's because the county is responsible for those lines. That's government maintenance. Never enough money to do the job, and they always need more to do the job. The developer and the district reps WILL maintain the MMP lines. I'm not justifying these lines. I'm just saying they will be maintained.

More than likely at our (resident's of TV) expense, correct? Sidelines will be a senseless waste of money.

[kcrazorbackfan]

Years ago, I put on a huge birthday party for Deanna. My daughter was in charge of menu, etc. etc. My point is the same point my daughter made.....when I thanked my daughter, she laughed and claimed "Dad, it's always easy to spend someone else's money." It seems like the stripes are like government spending money to protect ourselves from each other. How about a vote, full timers and snow birds like us who pay taxes?

Wouldn't that be too democratic? :22yikes:

[Chi-Town]

I hope this isn't a preview of what build out will bring.

[Bogie Shooter]

That's because the county is responsible for those lines. That's government maintenance. Never enough money to do the job, and they always need more to do the job. The developer and the district reps WILL maintain the MMP lines. I'm not justifying these lines. I'm just saying they will be maintained.

When did the Developer get involved?

He's not but seems people either are developer haters or are not clear on what the Developer is responsible for and what the District is responsible for.

I still would like to hear from outlaw, as to where he got his information.

[outlaw]

More than likely at our (resident's of TV) expense, correct? Sidelines will be a senseless waste of money.

Most definitely at our expense. But the MMPs are also maintained at our expense. It's really a matter of what one wants to pay for. You would rather not pay for striping. Others would. CDD4 reps heard from their constituency they they wanted to pay for striping. Not everyone in CDD4 wanted striping, but the reps apparently heard from enough residents to feel compelled to lay down stripes. That's the way it should work imo. I actually like the CDD4 striping when I drive in that area.

[outlaw]

I still would like to hear from outlaw, as to where he got his information.

The main roads are maintained by the county. In fact, the only TV roads that are not county maintained are some of the courtyard roads. That is why our maintenance fees are not higher and we cannot prevent nonresidents from accessing the roads in TV. I believe the developer maintains the landscape along the county owned main roads. Just look how nice the landscape looks.

[Bogie Shooter]

The main roads are maintained by the county. In fact, the only TV roads that are not county maintained are some of the courtyard roads. That is why our maintenance fees are not higher. I believe the developer maintains the landscape along the county owned main roads. Just look how nice the landscape looks.

What does that have to do with paying for striping?

[outlaw]

What does that have to do with paying for striping?

I thought I was answering your previous question. The premiss by the OP was that the lines on the MMP were going to look old and not properly maintained as in the picture. I was pointing out that the example in the picture was likely a county maintained road. I have noticed the main roads in TV showing typical lack of county maintenance regarding the lines, whereas, the landscape is always being maintained and is in beautiful shape. So I didn't think the picture and prediction was applicable to the developer/CDD owned and maintained MMPs.

[Barefoot]

I think voting boxes should be set up at the districts and you show your id ( proof your in the district) and allowed to vote in time frame.

How about a vote, full timers and snow birds like us who pay taxes?

Elected officials seem to already know what we need and what we're thinking -- no need for input from those who pay taxes. :ohdear:

[Bogie Shooter]

I thought I was answering your previous question. The premiss by the OP was that the lines on the MMP were going to look old and not properly maintained as in the picture. I was pointing out that the example in the picture was likely a county maintained road. I have noticed the main roads in TV showing typical lack of county maintenance regarding the lines, whereas, the landscape is always being maintained and is in beautiful shape. So I didn't think the picture and prediction was applicable to the developer/CDD owned and maintained MMPs.

???

[Barefoot]

The developer and the district reps WILL maintain the MMP lines.
... and the residents will pay, correct?

[CWGUY]

:BigApplause: You said it better.... I would have said "Some people don't have a :censored: clue."

The main roads are maintained by the county. In fact, the only TV roads that are not county maintained are some of the courtyard roads. That is why our maintenance fees are not higher and we cannot prevent nonresidents from accessing the roads in TV. I believe the developer maintains the landscape along the county owned main roads. Just look how nice the landscape looks.

:shocked: Thanks for proving my point.

[outlaw]

... and the residents will pay, correct?

Yes. As we should. Who else?

[outlaw]

???

Never mind. :)

[Bogie Shooter]

:shocked: Thanks for proving my point.

:1rotfl::1rotfl:

[outlaw]

:shocked: Thanks for proving my point.

Are saying my statement is incorrect?

[CWGUY]

Are saying my statement is incorrect?

:boom: VCDD Orientation (http://www.districtgov.org/school.aspx) :thumbup:

[CFrance]

Is this what we want to see as sidelines in a few years? I wouldn't hope so. This stripe is in TV and it is about 3y/o.
I would like to know what the name of this road is, and who is responsible for maintaining it--the county or TV? If it's the county, then you are suggesting we compare apples to oranges. TV-maintained paths would not be let go to this point. (PS: That is my OPINION, Bogie!:icon_wink:).

[tuccillo]

That is wrong. The Developer doesn't maintain the landscaping. That is the responsibility of the CDDs. An easy way to think of it is that the Developer builds it and then the CDDs maintains it. That was one of the reasons why FL has CDDs; to provide a continued funding source for maintenance of certain infrastructures.

The main roads are maintained by the county. In fact, the only TV roads that are not county maintained are some of the courtyard roads. That is why our maintenance fees are not higher and we cannot prevent nonresidents from accessing the roads in TV. I believe the developer maintains the landscape along the county owned main roads. Just look how nice the landscape looks.

[tuccillo]

The roads are maintained by the County (except for CYVs, as already mentioned). When you say TV I assume you mean the residential CDDs. They maintain pretty much everything else including the MMPs (except some things like the squares and the commerical areas).

I would like to know what the name of this road is, and who is responsible for maintaining it--the county or TV? If it's the county, then you are suggesting we compare apples to oranges. TV-maintained paths would not be let go to this point. (PS: That is my OPINION, Bogie!:icon_wink:).

[Mleeja]

Looking at the picture and reading the comments, it is again clear to me people are making comments without knowing all of the facts. The picutre shows painted stripes. The proposal being put forth are thermoplactic stripes. They will last a lot longer and wear better than painted stripes.

There will be a meeting Monday morning. I certaianly hope all of you are complaining here are planning on attending the meeting or at a minimum contacting your district representative.

[Bogie Shooter]

Looking at the picture and reading the comments, it is again clear to me people are making comments without knowing all of the facts. The picutre shows painted stripes. The proposal being put forth are thermoplactic stripes. They will last a lot longer and wear better than painted stripes.

There will be a meeting Monday morning. I certaianly hope all of you are complaining here are planning on attending the meeting or at a minimum contacting your district representative.

Hey, thats the way TOTV works................

[outlaw]

That is wrong. The Developer doesn't maintain the landscaping. That is the responsibility of the CDDs. An easy way to think of it is that the Developer builds it and then the CDDs maintains it. That was one of the reasons why FL has CDDs; to provide a continued funding source for maintenance of certain infrastructures.

Sorry. I still equate CDDs 5-10 and the VCCDs with the developer. I recognize the costs are born by the residents and the developer.

[kcrazorbackfan]

Looking at the picture and reading the comments, it is again clear to me people are making comments without knowing all of the facts. The picutre shows painted stripes. The proposal being put forth are thermoplactic stripes. They will last a lot longer and wear better than painted stripes.

There will be a meeting Monday morning. I certaianly hope all of you are complaining here are planning on attending the meeting or at a minimum contacting your district representative.

A stripe is a stripe is a stripe. We, as residents, are still going to be charged for something that is not needed.

[CFrance]

A stripe is a stripe is a stripe. We, as residents, are still going to be charged for something that is not needed.
That's one opinion...

[billethkid]

Everybody is entitled to their own opinion.
The opinion I have....no the facts I have based on 11 years experience in TV.....just like signs do not control those who speed or run stop signs or do what they want in roundabouts.....

After the striping all those who drive their carts will not change how they drive because their is a stripe there....these same people who are the cause of the accidents over the years will be driving the same way.

Accidents and injuries will not be reduced because of striping.

And of course some few who drive at night in the rain....you know, the safe already drivers, will be able to see the stripes and feel better....but here too not change the way they drive.

[Polar Bear]

Everybody is entitled to their own opinion.
The opinion I have....no the facts I have based on 11 years experience in TV.....just like signs do not control those who speed or run stop signs or do what they want in roundabouts.....

After the striping all those who drive their carts will not change how they drive because their is a stripe there....these same people who are the cause of the accidents over the years will be driving the same way.

Accidents and injuries will not be reduced because of striping.

And of course some few who drive at night in the rain....you know, the safe already drivers, will be able to see the stripes and feel better....but here too not change the way they drive.
Sorry, but I think you're over-complicating this. And mixing apples and oranges a bit too...

I don't think anybody is saying that striping will turn bad drivers into good drivers. The pro-striping folks are just saying that...for those folks who have some trouble seeing the edges of the paths at night...it can help.

IMHO, the bad driving that occurs 24/7/365 is not a relevant part of this discussion.

[CWGUY]

Sorry, but I think you're over-complicating this. And mixing apples and oranges a bit too...

I don't think anybody is saying that striping will turn bad drivers into good drivers. The pro-striping folks are just saying that...for those folks who have some trouble seeing the edges of the paths at night...it can help.

IMHO, the bad driving that occurs 24/7/365 is not a relevant part of this discussion.


:ohdear: Are you serious? Bad driving is the problem.... not the lack of painted lines. Here's a news flash - "Can't see, don't drive!" :icon_wink:

[Polar Bear]

:ohdear: Are you serious? Bad driving is the problem.... not the lack of painted lines. Here's a news flash - "Can't see, don't drive!" :icon_wink:

Are you?!? Bad driving will always exist. So that means we shouldn't try in any way to improve things?

Stop equating bad driving to whether or not striping the edges might...or might not...improve things. They're two separate issues!

[JoMar]

Wouldn't that be too democratic? :22yikes:

TV is not, and has never been represented as, a Democracy. Also, our taxes go to the County, not TV.

[billethkid]

Bad driving is the prime cotributor to the poor safety record of golf carts on the multi modal paths.

To dismiss that bad drivers are not the issue and being able to see the edges of the road better is one opinion.

Yes "some" will benefit from the striping.

No the saftey or lack of it here will not be affected.

I thought this all came about to improve the safety on the MMPs!

[Polar Bear]

...To dismiss that bad drivers are not the issue and being able to see the edges of the road better is one opinion...!

Nobody is saying either. They are two separate issues which you insist for some reason to want to tie together.

[Kevin and Luci]

No reason for the additional expense here. Unfortunately The squeaky majority seems to have the attention of the decision makers..... Is there a location that list these said decision makers email, mail or phone numbers so we can contact them outside of attending the meetings?

Thank you

[outlaw]

Wow! All this angst over $300K. The CDDs are just responding to their constituency. I just voted on the online news poll 4 times this AM.

[TNLAKEPANDA]

Sidelines is the stupidest idea yet! What a waste of money. A center line would make more sense if you have to spend the money.

[outlaw]

Sidelines is the stupidest idea yet! What a waste of money. A center line would make more sense if you have to spend the money.

I agree. I don't like the sidelines solution, but I'm not going to lose any sleep over it, either.

[Bogie Shooter]

No reason for the additional expense here. Unfortunately The squeaky majority seems to have the attention of the decision makers..... Is there a location that list these said decision makers email, mail or phone numbers so we can contact them outside of attending the meetings?

Thank you

Go to Village Community Development Districts (http://www.districtgov.org) . Then look for your district, all the information is there.
BTW look around that site lots of other info.

[Challenger]

Sidelines is the stupidest idea yet! What a waste of money. A center line would make more sense if you have to spend the money.

A few strategically placed reflectors at turns would make even more sense
JMHO

[outlaw]

Check out those reflectors in the turns. In my area they have mostly moved towards the outside lane as much as a foot, thus shrinking one lane. Not very good implementation.

[Ooper]

If people can't tell the difference between pavement and grass on the edges of the paths, they shouldn't be driving.

[CFrance]

Ridiculous