Obama on Georgia

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Obama has admitted that there is not much the US can do to counteract the Russian incursion into Georgia. However, he said the line must be drawn and if Russia continues into Alabama, he wants to go to the UN and seek severe sanctions.

In the interim, Obama has made plans for a flyover of Atlanta to look at the damages Russian bombardments have caused in the Georgian capital.

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OK Muncle, Go up to Gracie's desk!!

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Wow, McCain will jump in to as soon as he realizes Putin isn't the President of Germany! ;D

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Wow, McCain will jump in to as soon as he realizes Putin isn't the President of Germany!
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Not sure of your meaning on this, but just in case you hadnt heard Sen Mcain spoke directly to the President of Georgia...Sen Obama had a statement released !

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I just will add that the following is a headline from the editorial pages of the Chicago Sun Times...

"McCain, not Obama, was right about Georgia "

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Yes, I did hear that. Also heard that Obama's statment asked for an immediate cease fire. Which they did. :#1:

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Yes, I did hear that. Also heard that Obama's statment asked for an immediate cease fire. Which they did.
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I am sure,....all the others in the world were trumped when they saw Sen Obama on a surf board :)
Forget all the heads of state...Pres of France,etc.....the surfer dude got it done LOL

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Yes he did! :#1:

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I just will add that the following is a headline from the editorial pages of the Chicago Sun Times...

"McCain, not Obama, was right about Georgia "


The Chicago Sun Times is a politically conservative tabloid.

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The Chicago Sun Times is a politically conservative tabloid.
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So you think Sen Obama was right ?????

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When did the Chicago Sun Times become a conservative paper? The Tribune is the conservative paper in Chicago. The Trib is not as conservative as it use to be, but certainly more than the Sun Times.

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I made it a point to watch former President Gorbachev interviewed by Larry King last night. As the guy that was part of stopping the cold war on the Russina side, I thought I might learn more about what is happening in Georgia.

I came away even more confused. He supported the actions by the Russians, saying that a splinter (ethnic?) group in Georgia started the whole thing. That surprised me.

Then I saw the President of Georgia interviewed. He seemed to make a more compelling argument, explaining that the Russian invaders were "irregulars" dressed in Russian Army uniforms but not part of the army. He did not mention any Georgian splinter group or actions they might have taken to initiate the conflict.

Clearly, a cease fire is desirable until all concerned can figure out who's doing what to whom. But it doesn't seem to be quite as simple as Russia invading Georgia, killing and raping and then refusing to stop and leave.

If the situation is as confused as it seems, I don't think any American politician should be criticized for requesting or demanding a cease fire.

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I don't think any American politician should be criticized for requesting or demanding a cease fire.
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Who has done this ?

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When did the Chicago Sun Times become a conservative paper?
When Murdoch took it over awhile back, then followed by other publishers. Steve Huntley, the author of the article, identifies himself as a conservative. I read there is a move to take the paper back to its liberal roots. Apparently it is a work in progress.

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Bucco, it seems to me that you were the critic of the ways in which the candidates reacted to the situation in Georgia. A few messages earlier you said, "...just in case you hadnt (sic) heard Sen Mcain (sic) spoke directly to the President of Georgia...Sen Obama had a statement released !" I suppose you'll say that it was a statement of fact. But I read it as a clear criticism of the way Senator Obama reacted compared to Senator McCain.

Since this thread began, Senator McCain has now announced that he's sending his emissaries (Senators Lieberman and Graham) to meet with the Russians. Our current President sent his Secretary of State to extract a cease fire agreement from the President of Georgia--the country that was invaded! (By the way, reporters are saying that there is little or no evidence of any organized Georgia army--this in spite of the fact that we have given Georgia hundreds of millions of dollars in military aid since their independence.)

President Bush then announced that an anti-missle defense installation would be built by the U.S. in Poland (there Russkies, take that!). The Russians responded saying that such a facility must be taken out, with nuclear weapons if necessary.

Then the piece de resistance. Just before boarding his helicopter to take off for a two-week vacation on his ranch, Bush made a speech in which he said, "Bullying other countries is no way to conduct diplomacy in the 21st century." Whaaat?

Who's in charge here? Does what we say really mean anything to anyone anymore? What are all our "friends and allies" in NATO and the UN saying? The Eastern European countries are a whole lot closer to the problem than we are and they don't seem to be too concerned or willing to get involved.

Ahhh, maybe it's better that Dubya just go on vacation and stay there and let the candidates govern the country.

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Villages Kahuna

If it's ok to call George Bush Dubya, then it's ok to call Lord Obama Hussain (sp?) Yes? Benj

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VILLAGE KAHUNA..

Save your anti Bush rant for somebody else and do not use me as an excuse to go on a anti Bush rant.

You obviously read only what you want...if you read the post I was responding to it was a give and take and someone had said to me IN SARCASTIC HUMOR...."Wow, McCain will jump in to as soon as he realizes Putin isn't the President of Germany!" I responded in kind, at least I thought so....."Not sure of your meaning on this, but just in case you hadnt heard Sen Mcain spoke directly to the President of Georgia...Sen Obama had a statement released ! "

FROM the above you came up with "I don't think any American politician should be criticized for requesting or demanding a cease fire."

NOW YOU SHOW ME....WHERE I IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM SAID OR IMPLIED IN ANY WAY that Obama was being criticized by me or anyone and where I even mentioned a cease fire.

Take your anti Bush ranting and raving somewhere else PLEASE !

I am sick and tired of hearing a defense where none is needed...I am sick and tired of it being an ISSUE for the Sen Obama campaign to go off with an anti Bush rant. I am not defending GW Bush NOR IS HE RUNNING FOR ANYTHING.

You know I tried to engage here in some political discussion...I have been nasty to noone...I have asked for ISSUES to discuss. From now on if you want to quote me...DO IN CONTEXT.

And I agree with the BENJ who brings up the point that you are ok with calling the President of the United States by names, and that is different from criticizing issues...calling the President names is ok with you but as this entire campaign thus far is showing...you cannot in any way even imply something about Sen Obama or you will be dubbed a racist or what ever.......WHAT DID SENATOR OBAMA DO FOR YOU OR THIS COUNTRY TO GET THIS KIND OF PASSIONATE SUPPORT....that I keep asking ?????

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I apologize if I've offended anyone with my comments on this subject. My comments were not intended to criticize or belittle anyone here.

But am I disappointed and frustrated by the deterioration of our country in so many ways? Yes, I am. Is it all one man's fault? Decidedly not. Is it the fault of the Congress plus members of the executive branch? An argument could be made that they all share a lot of the responsibility. But the manner in which our country's economy, reputation, military strength and influence has been degraded can probably be blamed on our elected representatives as well as ourselves. Somehow we all have permitted our government to slide into a political quagmire, driven more by the self-interest of those elected and the special interests who pay to assure their own interests will be served.

Going forward I think we need to pay greater attention to what our elected leaders are doing or not doing that will make our current situation better and hopefully not worse. The situation in Georgia seems to demonstrate how little we all know about what's going on over there (myself included). What's frustrating is how some of our leaders seem to have taken actions for seemingly political or idealogical reasons, either ignoring or failing to work with those we might call friends and allies in an attempt to resolve the problem. Do we think people should be killing each other and destroying property for inexplicable reasons? Of course not. Have our leaders reacted simply because we're trying to defend and support a fragile democracy in Georgia? Maybe. Should we be asking why Georgia's neighbors don't seem to be interested enough to become involved? I think so. Should we be attempting to forge a solution to the Georgia problem with statesmanship rather than barging in and trying to apply influence which we clearly don't have? I think so.

So if my frustration with our current political leaders shows thru in my post, I again apologize. Do I think that many changes in our political leadership is critically needed? Yes I do. Fortunately, it seems that we have two pretty good candidates for President. I wish I could say the same for all the members of Congress that are running for re-election.

Going forward I'll try to focus only on the facts that seem to be important in making our decisions on who should represent us. And I'll definitely avoid even mentioning the current administration. There is obviously little to be gained by somehow trying to create new criticisms and it doesn't make anyone feel any better anyway.

It might be a good idea for those that have the time to watch the in-depth interviews with both Senators McCain and Obama on CNN tomorrow night. My hope is that by listening to them both for a couple of hours we'll find out a lot more than spending any time listening or reacting to the sound bites and ads being created by their political advisors.

Winston Churchill identified the current political situation in the U.S. quite well almost 50 years ago when he said, "A politician thinks about the next elections - the statesman thinks about the next generations."

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Yes, I did hear that. Also heard that Obama's statment asked for an immediate cease fire. Which they did.
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I am sure,....all the others in the world were trumped when they saw Sen Obama on a surf board :)
Forget all the heads of state...Pres of France,etc.....the surfer dude got it done LOL


He never was on a surf board dude....he was body surfing which doesn't require a board. I was in Hawaii the same week he was....it ****ed me off when I had to wait at the airport till he finished a speech in a park near by. He was visiting his grandmother who is unable to travel and you want to attack him on that. SHAME SHAME SHAME. >:( >:( >:(

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Cologal, I couldn't agree with you more. :clap2: Shame, shame, shame.