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Guest
07-21-2015, 06:14 PM
Well, it appears that President Obama has solved all the problems once again for us. The IRS and other scandals are the fault of......drum roll....CONGREESS.
"President Obama defended the IRS Tuesday in an interview with “Daily Show” host Jon Stewart, saying the tea party targeting scandal was actually Congress’s fault for passing “a crummy law” and that the real problem is the agency doesn’t have enough money.
Mr. Obama, who has overseen a series of scandals at the IRS, the Veterans Administration, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and now the Office of Personnel Management, was asked why government didn’t seem to be working on his watch."
"But the president said he’s not to blame, using the IRS as an example of how what went wrong wasn’t his fault, and questioning whether tea party groups were ever targeted.
The IRS’s internal auditor concluded that the agency did, in fact, target conservative and tea party groups for intrusive scrutiny, and Mr. Obama’s own Justice Department is still conducting a criminal investigation into the targeting."
Read more: Obama defends IRS, says tea party targeting didn't happen - Washington Times (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jul/21/obama-defends-irs-tea-party-targeting-didnt-happen/#ixzz3gZR661MB)
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Well, Richard Nixon said "he was not a crook"......Bill Clinton parsed over the definition of having sex.....This President just claims infallibility !!
Guest
07-21-2015, 06:20 PM
Obama makes being able to look up at whale s**t seem like a step up!
Guest
07-22-2015, 08:24 AM
Posting an article from the "fair and balance" Washington Times. I sure the WT always gives both sides of an argument. I hate defending President Obama all the time. The one sided reporting is a real problem. WT received information from "the pool reporter". What is there only one pool reporter? Heaven help, you try to confirm his/her report. Now, that is a real shallow pool.
What kind of punishment do you inflict on the IRS by cutting their funding? How does not going after tax cheats help reduce the deficit? Let's punish rapists by putting him in the same cell with a 20 year old well endowed woman. That will certainly stop his urges. Tax cheating has increase, because people know that the IRS won't/can't go after them. Is this the Republicans idea of tax reform? A do it yourself approach for taxpayers. You don't like a certain provision in the tax law that affects you, then you can unilaterally change it. This law doesn't apply to me.
Under the Constitution, all men are created equal. If the IRS can chose what provision of the law they want to enforce, we are equal, so we can chose what provision of the law we want to disobey. Sounds good to me.
You want to make sure the IRS scandal won't repeat itself, then let the IRS enforce the law concerning 501(c)4 political action charities as written in the early 50's. No political action can be performed by the groups. That will shut them up in one big hurry.
Isn't this a contradiction? Government doesn't seem to be working under his administration. Then they reference the IRS internal auditor, and the justice department doing their jobs by investigating the scandal. Apparently these departments didn't get the memo from President Obama, "Don't do your job. You are making the rest of us look bad."
Guest
07-22-2015, 08:38 AM
Posting an article from the "fair and balance" Washington Times. I sure the WT always gives both sides of an argument. I hate defending President Obama all the time. The one sided reporting is a real problem. WT received information from "the pool reporter". What is there only one pool reporter? Heaven help, you try to confirm his/her report. Now, that is a real shallow pool.
What kind of punishment do you inflict on the IRS by cutting their funding? How does not going after tax cheats help reduce the deficit? Let's punish rapists by putting him in the same cell with a 20 year old well endowed woman. That will certainly stop his urges. Tax cheating has increase, because people know that the IRS won't/can't go after them. Is this the Republicans idea of tax reform? A do it yourself approach for taxpayers. You don't like a certain provision in the tax law that affects you, then you can unilaterally change it. This law doesn't apply to me.
Under the Constitution, all men are created equal. If the IRS can chose what provision of the law they want to enforce, we are equal, so we can chose what provision of the law we want to disobey. Sounds good to me.
You want to make sure the IRS scandal won't repeat itself, then let the IRS enforce the law concerning 501(c)4 political action charities as written in the early 50's. No political action can be performed by the groups. That will shut them up in one big hurry.
Isn't this a contradiction? Government doesn't seem to be working under his administration. Then they reference the IRS internal auditor, and the justice department doing their jobs by investigating the scandal. Apparently these departments didn't get the memo from President Obama, "Don't do your job. You are making the rest of us look bad."
1, As always reference is made to the link, and NOT THE FACTS. It must be easier to simply do that than address the facts IN THE ARTICLE. Most who question links on here give a reason the link either misquoted or stated things out of context. You chose to simply pass it off as if that means anything.
2. Point of the thread which you obviously missed was the initial reaction by the President......he immediately blamed congress and not him.
That was the point......it is his total infallibility that is in question.
Guest
07-22-2015, 08:39 AM
I also would like to ask all those liberals on here who demean Fox News, and most site and not the Washington Times, which news source is acceptable ???
I am betting it is one that agrees with your point of view.
Guest
07-22-2015, 08:40 AM
typo on last post...restated....
I also would like to ask all those liberals on here who demean Fox News, and most sites and now the Washington Times, which news source is acceptable ???
I am betting it is one that agrees with your point of view.
Guest
07-22-2015, 09:52 AM
I have never figured out why we even have an IRS. It is like a huge black hole. They have the tax codes so complicated that we have to hire somebody to do our taxes. Just think, if there was no IRS and only a flat sales tax,
No tax preparers needed
No tax credits
No tax free organizations
The rich would pay more in taxes, the more you earn the more you spend.
Everybody would pay their fair share of taxes
A few million less people on the taxpayer's tab. ( Actually, who knows how many)
We just might be able to balance the budget.
I know, "The Fair Tax" idea has been around for years and if not for the IRS protecting their own jobs, we would probably have it.
Guest
07-22-2015, 11:42 AM
What you have labelled the fair tax is not a fair tax despite its name. It is a tax designed to have those whose economic condition requires them to spend what money they make on taxable products and services. If you are wealthy and have income that is being saved or spent outside of this country, that money is earned tax free. It is the most regressive tax system possible. We have always had a progressive income tax system on the belief that those who have the highest incomes can be expected to contribute more to the national welfare. Of course the wealthy would love to get rid of that system so they can increase their domination of wealth in our country. What we really need is more upward mobility for the top earners as they are suffering so badly over the last 25 years.
Guest
07-22-2015, 11:45 AM
A Flat sales tax. You have to be kidding. A national sales tax is the most regressive tax possible. Calling it "The Fair Tax" is shear lunacy. It hurts the people on the low, and middle end of the scale for more than the rich. A sales tax with no deductions for interest, dependents, property taxes is fair! It would destroy the housing market. People are counting on these deductions to be able to afford their mortgage payments. A flat income tax with no deductions is just as bad, if not worse.
Don't bet! You will lose your money. Morning Joe is the only one worth watching on a regular basis. I have said this before, when Mika speaks hit the mute button on the remote. Nothing that she says is worth hearing.
His immediate reaction was to blame Congress. How long has the IRS problem/scandal been going on? You are treating his comment as if they were spur of the moment. Didn't Congress blame him immediately, when the scandal broke? I could be wrong, but aren't they still trying to say it was him, who instructed the IRS to go after Tea Party groups? Some of the hard liners, you know thick heads, in the Republican party will never be convinced, he didn't tell them what to do. They will always be looking for something that isn't there.
The Republicans in Congress are driving down a lovely one way street. They think that they are infallible. The reality is it is a two way street. You blame President Obama for everything. He will in turn blame you for everything. That is not infallibility. That is children acting like children. Too bad! So sad! Acting like a child has it good points.
Guest
07-22-2015, 11:46 AM
I like the post right above mine. Great minds do think alike.
Guest
07-22-2015, 12:41 PM
Well, let's see how I fit into your thinking,
I am a Democrat, I am not rich or poor, I do not draw any pensions, union or government, I worked my entire life and saved through my 401K at work for my retirement, and yes, I detest having to hire a tax preparer to do my taxes every year so that I can pay for the lavish lifestyles of people like Lois Lerner and the other IRS employees while they make their own laws to take my money and put it into their pockets. That is why I do not like our current tax system.
Guest
07-22-2015, 01:22 PM
Well, let's see how I fit into your thinking,
I am a Democrat, I am not rich or poor, I do not draw any pensions, union or government, I worked my entire life and saved through my 401K at work for my retirement, and yes, I detest having to hire a tax preparer to do my taxes every year so that I can pay for the lavish lifestyles of people like Lois Lerner and the other IRS employees while they make their own laws to take my money and put it into their pockets. That is why I do not like our current tax system.
Congress passes tax laws, not the IRS or the president.
Guest
07-22-2015, 01:39 PM
Boy are you naive. It is all in the implementation.
Congress passes tax laws, not the IRS or the president.
Guest
07-22-2015, 01:54 PM
Well, let's see how I fit into your thinking,
I am a Democrat, I am not rich or poor, I do not draw any pensions, union or government, I worked my entire life and saved through my 401K at work for my retirement, and yes, I detest having to hire a tax preparer to do my taxes every year so that I can pay for the lavish lifestyles of people like Lois Lerner and the other IRS employees while they make their own laws to take my money and put it into their pockets. That is why I do not like our current tax system.
First, your political affiliations have ZERO to do with this.
Second, you made poor choices in your career by not choosing one that would give you a pension.
Third, hiring a tax preparer is ridiculous. There is Turbo Tax which does everything you want or you can get free tax preparation in The Villages by former accountants.
Fourth, what makes you think that IRS employees have lavish lifestyles? Their average salary for an IRS professional is around $105,000 per year and that is far from lavish.
Fifth, they do not make their own laws nor does the tax money go into their pockets anymore than it goes into yours through your Social Security benefit and Medicare benefits.
Guest
07-22-2015, 03:04 PM
My point is, I am the one who you say the Fair Tax would hurt, when the only people I have ever heard complain about the fair tax are the people who draw a government pension. Most of the people funding those pensions earn less money than the government employee they are supporting.
Don't get me wrong, I am not complaining about my lifestyle, I funded my lifestyle 100% by working my whole life and saving my money. Nobody funds it for me.
Guest
07-22-2015, 04:19 PM
Don't get me wrong, I am not complaining about my lifestyle, I funded my lifestyle 100% by working my whole life and saving my money. Nobody funds it for me.
Very good! I assume you do collect a Social Security check every month. Medicare benefits, too? Does the spouse collect a Social Security benefit even if she did not work?
Anyhow, it is great to be retired and funded, isn't it, and living in this great place! Congrats to all of us! Thanks to God, too.
Guest
07-22-2015, 04:31 PM
There is a good reason that ordinary people don't complain about the fair tax. The fair tax is never going to happen. No president or any Congress would be even stupid enough to try to bring it up as a serious way to fix the tax situation. Why complain about something that will never happen?
When they talk about simplifying the tax code, the tax code is simple enough for 75+% of individuals in this country. Most of the code is for corporations, and the rich trying to avoid paying taxes.
The 47% of the people in this country don't pay taxes. That statement was misleading. Itemized deductions (property taxes, state income taxes, mortgage interest) deductions for dependents, credit for children under a certain age, and earned income credit aren't that complicated to compute. These deduction throw many people into the 47%. Also, many of the 47% are people earning peanuts. A flat tax, or a national tax is going to increase taxes for all these people. Who in the right mind would call that fair? Rich people that would like to see this happen aren't in their right mind.
How about a flat tax for people making over 1 million dollars per year? Gross income includes money earned outside the US. The tax rate can be 20% with no deductions, and nothing carried forward from a previous year. That will shut them up in one big hurry.
Guest
07-22-2015, 05:18 PM
You are absolutely full of BS by suggesting that someone made a bad career choice by not choosing one that had a pension. Just who the hell do you think you are saying that? You are really a jerk and can go to hell.
First, your political affiliations have ZERO to do with this.
Second, you made poor choices in your career by not choosing one that would give you a pension.
Third, hiring a tax preparer is ridiculous. There is Turbo Tax which does everything you want or you can get free tax preparation in The Villages by former accountants.
Fourth, what makes you think that IRS employees have lavish lifestyles? Their average salary for an IRS professional is around $105,000 per year and that is far from lavish.
Fifth, they do not make their own laws nor does the tax money go into their pockets anymore than it goes into yours through your Social Security benefit and Medicare benefits.
Guest
07-22-2015, 05:27 PM
You are absolutely full of BS by suggesting that someone made a bad career choice by not choosing one that had a pension. Just who the hell do you think you are saying that? You are really a jerk and can go to hell.:blahblahblah::blahblahblah::blahblahblah:
Don't sugarcoat it, sweetie. Tell us how you really feel.
SWAK!
Guest
07-22-2015, 06:11 PM
Don't sugarcoat it, sweetie. Tell us how you really feel.
SWAK!
How can these people who mock others and take nothing seriously and use this forum as a fun game while others actually try to share views be removed from here ?
Is there a vehicle or are they protected by the GUEST name rule ?
Guest
07-22-2015, 06:38 PM
What is wrong with you people?
Don't sugarcoat it, sweetie. Tell us how you really feel.
SWAK!
Guest
07-22-2015, 07:07 PM
It sounds to me as though the poster who opined about a career choice was entirely within his/her rights. The reply to it by calling the person a jerk and told him to go to hell was inappropriate and that person showed his true character.
Opinions are welcome on this forum. Coarse remarks of calling someone a jerk and telling them to go to hell are not welcome.
Guest
07-22-2015, 07:20 PM
It sounds to me as though the poster who opined about a career choice was entirely within his/her rights. The reply to it by calling the person a jerk and told him to go to hell was inappropriate and that person showed his true character.
Opinions are welcome on this forum. Coarse remarks of calling someone a jerk and telling them to go to hell are not welcome.
In my opinion, what you refer to as "opining" was actually demeaning and lecturing and I do not think the response was out of line at all. This is for opinions and some think they can LECTURE and just shut it down, hence the BOOM thing and the comments that tell you that its over.
Arrogance on a forum is easy to see and pickup on and in my opinion, telling someone or lecturing them about what choices they may or many not have made is out of order.
Read that post again...IT WAS A LECTURE AND TALKING DOWN
Guest
07-22-2015, 07:39 PM
It sounds to me as though the poster who opined about a career choice was entirely within his/her rights. The reply to it by calling the person a jerk and told him to go to hell was inappropriate and that person showed his true character.
Opinions are welcome on this forum. Coarse remarks of calling someone a jerk and telling them to go to hell are not welcome.
They may not be welcomed, but they are often deserved.:D
Guest
07-22-2015, 08:06 PM
I am confused by the direction this thread has taken. I am new to this board. Have people been kicked off it, because of the political views as was suggested? Am I going to be put on a hit list?
There are plenty of small companies that can't offer a retirement plan. There is nothing wrong with these companies. They might offer their employees profit sharing plan, and this additional money can be put into a 401(k) plan. They might overpay their employees, and some of the higher pay could go a 401(K). The job couldn't have been that bad, because he stayed in for years. Job security is more important to some people than a retirement plan.
Guest
07-22-2015, 08:39 PM
I am confused by the direction this thread has taken. I am new to this board. Have people been kicked off it, because of the political views as was suggested? Am I going to be put on a hit list?
There are plenty of small companies that can't offer a retirement plan. There is nothing wrong with these companies. They might offer their employees profit sharing plan, and this additional money can be put into a 401(k) plan. They might overpay their employees, and some of the higher pay could go a 401(K). The job couldn't have been that bad, because he stayed in for years. Job security is more important to some people than a retirement plan.
I have backed off posting on here because of the antics, however, your post deserves an answer, albeit my opinion.
I have no idea if anyone was thrown off the board based on actions on this political forum. We had a forum in the past, which near the end became plagued with the same kind of posts. THAT forum was shut down because this board was unable to handle the complaints they were getting from posters about personal attacks.
Now, some of them were legitimate, but so many were a crush of complaints solicited and managed by a group who just wanted to shut down voices. They would then co ordinate a rush of complaints to the admin about anyone they wanted to shut up BUT NOT for anything legit. ALSO, many posters could not leave their animosity on the board and were using the private message format.
There were folks thrown off their. Most of them are back here with different names unfortunately but this new forum with the use of GUEST gives a hiding place for these people. The GUEST idea was a compromise, in my opinion by the admin. People wanted to discuss current events but it became so personal that most of the threads just got shut down. Then a number of posters solicited the management to open up a place..political...to discuss current events. The answer was this and the GUEST moniker was set up so that the private message could not be used as in the past. It, however, does not allow us to identify who the poster is. To my knowledge nobody has been terminated from here.
Your point in your post is valid but there are certain posters one in particular, who overtime someone mentions retirement will jump up and throw in their face whatever their decision was in life...whether they collect social security or not.
I would welcome taking away the cloak of GUEST so that we can ignore and especially KNOW who these people are for sure. I say for sure, because any of the long time posters are pretty much well aware of who these folks are and they simply want to irritate and have no desire to engage in conversation and you will notice they will simply shut down thread either with stupid immature posts or proclaim it done because they have all the answers.
A lot of words, and I am sorry
Guest
07-23-2015, 05:57 AM
Don't even pretend to lecture me or defend the jerk who made the BS comments - that is a true measure of your lack of character. I really couldn't care less what your opinion.
It sounds to me as though the poster who opined about a career choice was entirely within his/her rights. The reply to it by calling the person a jerk and told him to go to hell was inappropriate and that person showed his true character.
Opinions are welcome on this forum. Coarse remarks of calling someone a jerk and telling them to go to hell are not welcome.
Guest
07-23-2015, 07:28 AM
Well, it appears that President Obama has solved all the problems once again for us. The IRS and other scandals are the fault of......drum roll....CONGREESS.
"President Obama defended the IRS Tuesday in an interview with “Daily Show” host Jon Stewart, saying the tea party targeting scandal was actually Congress’s fault for passing “a crummy law” and that the real problem is the agency doesn’t have enough money.
Mr. Obama, who has overseen a series of scandals at the IRS, the Veterans Administration, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and now the Office of Personnel Management, was asked why government didn’t seem to be working on his watch."
"But the president said he’s not to blame, using the IRS as an example of how what went wrong wasn’t his fault, and questioning whether tea party groups were ever targeted.
The IRS’s internal auditor concluded that the agency did, in fact, target conservative and tea party groups for intrusive scrutiny, and Mr. Obama’s own Justice Department is still conducting a criminal investigation into the targeting."
Read more: Obama defends IRS, says tea party targeting didn't happen - Washington Times (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jul/21/obama-defends-irs-tea-party-targeting-didnt-happen/#ixzz3gZR661MB)
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Well, Richard Nixon said "he was not a crook"......Bill Clinton parsed over the definition of having sex.....This President just claims infallibility !!
It's amazing to watch Obama ... I have to give him credit. He is absolutely THE BEST and most persuasive political liar I have ever seen. Also the most amoral.
Guest
07-23-2015, 09:17 AM
Thank you for answering my question about people getting kicked off the board. There is another alternative about identifying yourself as the posted.
I was on a football talk site in mid 90's for about 7 years. It was the AFC East, when the division was competitive. The site allowed you to use any name you wanted. You entered that name at the start of every post. It was an honor system. There was about 50 regular posters. We all used the same name in posting. So, everybody knew, who you were talking to. Nobody was cheating by using another name. The reason I know that no one cheated was nobody ever called anyone a name. Nor, were there any references to their intelligence.
The teams and their players were fair game. Degrading your team's opponent was a way of life. The insults were directed to the players action on the field, and not to anything off the field.
Avid fans for competing football teams had more respect for each other than seniors in Florida's friendliest home town in 2015 for followers of different parties. We have come a long way baby, and not the right direction.
Guest
07-25-2015, 01:42 PM
Ok, as far as I know there are only two groups that don't get SS. Railroad workers and CRS fed gov. Employees. Cause they have there own retirement and don't pay into SS. Ther benifit more than SS would pay. Even if you haven't worked day in your life you will get minimum SS. I find it strange (unless they are not citizen) why some say they don't receive annuity? Taxes will NEVER go down or be fair! It's the American way!
Guest
07-25-2015, 07:53 PM
I am pretty sure that state and city workers are also in the category of people not receiving SS benefits. That is why many states have real trouble balancing their budgets. Their pension plans are far more generous than SS. Some states based their pension plans on last three years salaries.
Taxes did go down under "W". President Obama extended the tax cuts except for the highest tax rate. To leave tax increases or reform of the tax code off any discussion of balancing the budget, is wrong.
Guest
07-25-2015, 09:08 PM
What is wrong with you people?
OMG another sexist post....
Guest
07-26-2015, 05:30 AM
Nobody is talking seriously about balancing the budget. That is a pipe dream.
I am pretty sure that state and city workers are also in the category of people not receiving SS benefits. That is why many states have real trouble balancing their budgets. Their pension plans are far more generous than SS. Some states based their pension plans on last three years salaries.
Taxes did go down under "W". President Obama extended the tax cuts except for the highest tax rate. To leave tax increases or reform of the tax code off any discussion of balancing the budget, is wrong.
Guest
07-26-2015, 08:24 AM
It is a pipe dream, because both parties are taking a hard line on taxes. Republicans sign pledges not to raise taxes, and are living up to that. Democrats won't cut social programs, when taxes are off the table.
It could be getting worse with Republicans putting amendments like repealing ACA on must pass legislation. Apparently, the lessons learned by shutting down the government are a distant memory.
Guest
07-26-2015, 10:47 AM
There were no lessons to ever be had by the so called budget shut downs. It is a poltical game that is played and always with the same outcome.
I would venture to say less than 25% of the voters in America are familiar enough with the budgeting and accounting process to understand or address the issue.
is apparent that all of Washington has no understanding either.
In it's simplest form if you don't have it you can't spend it....that is how we all have to live is it not?
Then why should the financially ignorant fools called our representatives, including Obama be allowed to run the government with an ongoing debt?
How many corporations in America would be in business if run by the government.
Creating a balanced budget is no big deal. It is quite basic and fundamental to any well run entity.
Unfortunately lawyers and politicians who have never run a business or had to be finacially responsible have no concept what so ever...hence the kick the can down the road style of accounting and poltical nonsense.....that we the people stand idly by year after year.
See what happens if you try to run your household by having to borrow 50 cents on every dollar you sepnd....and oh by the way there is not limit to how much you could spend or borrow!
Guest
07-27-2015, 03:36 PM
typo on last post...restated....
I also would like to ask all those liberals on here who demean Fox News, and most sites and now the Washington Times, which news source is acceptable ???
I am betting it is one that agrees with your point of view.
For those who don't know that there really are objective news sources available I recommend they check out the following for starters:
PBS, CBS, NBC, ABC, USA Today and CNN.
You just might learn something!
Guest
07-27-2015, 05:26 PM
You forgot OAN, the new kid on the block
Guest
07-27-2015, 08:48 PM
First of all, businesses can raise their prices any time the want. Anytime during a fiscal year they are losing money, because they screwed up on the budget, they can correct their shortfall. Households have fixed expenses, and variable expenses. If you start running short of money, you cut your variable expenses.
The federal government can inflate budget expenses in every area. The federal government is so damn big, who could ever tell what areas were inflated to create a surplus to be used in areas that weren't budgeted.
The federal government could also inflate expected revenue from income taxes, and other sources of revenue. Have you ever seen a federal budget, the condensed one? Good luck trying to heads or tails out of it.
Guest
07-28-2015, 06:24 AM
They all lean left - hardly objective.
For those who don't know that there really are objective news sources available I recommend they check out the following for starters:
PBS, CBS, NBC, ABC, USA Today and CNN.
You just might learn something!
Guest
07-28-2015, 07:16 AM
For those who don't know that there really are objective news sources available I recommend they check out the following for starters:
PBS, CBS, NBC, ABC, USA Today and CNN.
You just might learn something!
:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
You forgot All-jazz-ear-ah
Learn something on the lettered, full blown, partisan BS networks.....without the talikng points from the WH these networks would havto show cartoons......to keep their constituents on an even playing field....
:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
Guest
07-28-2015, 08:16 AM
For those who don't know that there really are objective news sources available I recommend they check out the following for starters:
PBS, CBS, NBC, ABC, USA Today and CNN.
You just might learn something!
Tell me you're being facetious - right??
Guest
07-28-2015, 08:33 AM
Forget what you read and where you read it. Believe your eyes aka/action of those actors involved
Obama upon hearing news that the IRS systematically targeted conservative groups fired the IRS commissioner and promoted John Koshinen. Bear in mind that Obama was adamant that Citizens was bad law and ridiculed SCOTUS in his State of the Union .
The IRS under John Koshinen is continuing its same pattern as any of the other scandals in Washington Fast & Furious, Benghazi, DOJ , clinton Charitable foundation Clinton personal server when she was SOS,etc.
Specifically in the IRS case their is Destruction of evidence: on May 22 2013 IRS employees were issued a preservation order and instructed not to taper / reuse or destroy any e-mails back up tapes archive information from IRS personal computers On aug 2, 2013 oversight committee issued its subpoena for information . On Feb 2, 2014 Kate Duval IRS commissioner counsel informed the oversight that Lois lerner's computer crashed and the Inspector General discovered on March 4, 2014 that 422 backup tapes had been erased cotaining 24,000 e-mails.
Ms Kate Duval now works for the State Department where she is vetting Hillary clinton's e-mails relating to Benghazi
Because of the aforementioned actions and those that followed Koshinen is charged with failure to inform congress, making false testimony before congress, failure to correct the record and failure to reform IRS to protect First Amendments rights meaning he was directed by Obama to reform the IRS from their bad habits but the IRS continues to persist
Stonewalling and denial are so common place with these Washington liberals that they actually believe it is standard operating procedure.
As to the IRS function. My view is to start with why the taxman has any right to any of my money? I ask this because i am interested in how they will use it or if they will abuse it. Well we know which is my point.
The tax system needs to be changed but before we do that we need to change the spending habits of those greedy career politicians.
Personal Best Regards:
Guest
08-25-2015, 05:51 AM
OOOPS
"Lois Lerner had yet another personal email account used to conduct some IRS business, the tax agency confirmed in a new court filing late Monday that further complicates the administration’s efforts to be transparent about Ms. Lerner’s actions during the tea party targeting scandal."
IRS finds yet another Lois Lerner email account - Washington Times (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/aug/24/irs-finds-yet-another-lois-lerner-email-account/)
Guest
08-25-2015, 12:16 PM
So we have another private email account, KEPT SECRET.......
Remember when this was to be the most transparent administration ever...?
Guest
08-25-2015, 09:17 PM
Posting an article from the "fair and balance" Washington Times. I sure the WT always gives both sides of an argument. I hate defending President Obama all the time. The one sided reporting is a real problem. WT received information from "the pool reporter". What is there only one pool reporter? Heaven help, you try to confirm his/her report. Now, that is a real shallow pool.
What kind of punishment do you inflict on the IRS by cutting their funding? How does not going after tax cheats help reduce the deficit? Let's punish rapists by putting him in the same cell with a 20 year old well endowed woman. That will certainly stop his urges. Tax cheating has increase, because people know that the IRS won't/can't go after them. Is this the Republicans idea of tax reform? A do it yourself approach for taxpayers. You don't like a certain provision in the tax law that affects you, then you can unilaterally change it. This law doesn't apply to me.
Under the Constitution, all men are created equal. If the IRS can chose what provision of the law they want to enforce, we are equal, so we can chose what provision of the law we want to disobey. Sounds good to me.
You want to make sure the IRS scandal won't repeat itself, then let the IRS enforce the law concerning 501(c)4 political action charities as written in the early 50's. No political action can be performed by the groups. That will shut them up in one big hurry.
Isn't this a contradiction? Government doesn't seem to be working under his administration. Then they reference the IRS internal auditor, and the justice department doing their jobs by investigating the scandal. Apparently these departments didn't get the memo from President Obama, "Don't do your job. You are making the rest of us look bad."
But they had the manning and funding to target the tee party WHEN THEY SOULD OF BEEN DOING other legitimate investigation?
Guest
08-30-2015, 04:09 PM
Lets make the IRS useful and put those thousands of employees on the southern border to guard it. Hell we have to pay them anyway and you know you can't fire a gov't employee. The only was to get rid of this bloated gov't is to not replace them when they retire!!!
Guest
08-30-2015, 04:53 PM
Lets make the IRS useful and put those thousands of employees on the southern border to guard it. Hell we have to pay them anyway and you know you can't fire a gov't employee. The only was to get rid of this bloated gov't is to not replace them when they retire!!!
Hope you remember that when your Social Security entitlement is late or skipped and when your Medicare claim is denied and you are stuck with a huge medical bill.
Guest
08-30-2015, 04:55 PM
Hope you remember that when your Social Security entitlement is late or skipped and when your Medicare claim is denied and you are stuck with a huge medical bill.
No, I do not think IRS takes care of SS or Medicare. Just getting at your blather about not filling government jobs that become vacant.
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