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Old 07-21-2015, 06:14 PM
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Well, it appears that President Obama has solved all the problems once again for us. The IRS and other scandals are the fault of......drum roll....CONGREESS.

"President Obama defended the IRS Tuesday in an interview with “Daily Show” host Jon Stewart, saying the tea party targeting scandal was actually Congress’s fault for passing “a crummy law” and that the real problem is the agency doesn’t have enough money.

Mr. Obama, who has overseen a series of scandals at the IRS, the Veterans Administration, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and now the Office of Personnel Management, was asked why government didn’t seem to be working on his watch."

"But the president said he’s not to blame, using the IRS as an example of how what went wrong wasn’t his fault, and questioning whether tea party groups were ever targeted.

The IRS’s internal auditor concluded that the agency did, in fact, target conservative and tea party groups for intrusive scrutiny, and Mr. Obama’s own Justice Department is still conducting a criminal investigation into the targeting."



Read more: Obama defends IRS, says tea party targeting didn't happen - Washington Times
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Well, Richard Nixon said "he was not a crook"......Bill Clinton parsed over the definition of having sex.....This President just claims infallibility !!
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Old 07-21-2015, 06:20 PM
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Obama makes being able to look up at whale s**t seem like a step up!
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Old 07-22-2015, 08:24 AM
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Posting an article from the "fair and balance" Washington Times. I sure the WT always gives both sides of an argument. I hate defending President Obama all the time. The one sided reporting is a real problem. WT received information from "the pool reporter". What is there only one pool reporter? Heaven help, you try to confirm his/her report. Now, that is a real shallow pool.

What kind of punishment do you inflict on the IRS by cutting their funding? How does not going after tax cheats help reduce the deficit? Let's punish rapists by putting him in the same cell with a 20 year old well endowed woman. That will certainly stop his urges. Tax cheating has increase, because people know that the IRS won't/can't go after them. Is this the Republicans idea of tax reform? A do it yourself approach for taxpayers. You don't like a certain provision in the tax law that affects you, then you can unilaterally change it. This law doesn't apply to me.

Under the Constitution, all men are created equal. If the IRS can chose what provision of the law they want to enforce, we are equal, so we can chose what provision of the law we want to disobey. Sounds good to me.

You want to make sure the IRS scandal won't repeat itself, then let the IRS enforce the law concerning 501(c)4 political action charities as written in the early 50's. No political action can be performed by the groups. That will shut them up in one big hurry.

Isn't this a contradiction? Government doesn't seem to be working under his administration. Then they reference the IRS internal auditor, and the justice department doing their jobs by investigating the scandal. Apparently these departments didn't get the memo from President Obama, "Don't do your job. You are making the rest of us look bad."
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Old 07-22-2015, 08:38 AM
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Posting an article from the "fair and balance" Washington Times. I sure the WT always gives both sides of an argument. I hate defending President Obama all the time. The one sided reporting is a real problem. WT received information from "the pool reporter". What is there only one pool reporter? Heaven help, you try to confirm his/her report. Now, that is a real shallow pool.

What kind of punishment do you inflict on the IRS by cutting their funding? How does not going after tax cheats help reduce the deficit? Let's punish rapists by putting him in the same cell with a 20 year old well endowed woman. That will certainly stop his urges. Tax cheating has increase, because people know that the IRS won't/can't go after them. Is this the Republicans idea of tax reform? A do it yourself approach for taxpayers. You don't like a certain provision in the tax law that affects you, then you can unilaterally change it. This law doesn't apply to me.

Under the Constitution, all men are created equal. If the IRS can chose what provision of the law they want to enforce, we are equal, so we can chose what provision of the law we want to disobey. Sounds good to me.

You want to make sure the IRS scandal won't repeat itself, then let the IRS enforce the law concerning 501(c)4 political action charities as written in the early 50's. No political action can be performed by the groups. That will shut them up in one big hurry.

Isn't this a contradiction? Government doesn't seem to be working under his administration. Then they reference the IRS internal auditor, and the justice department doing their jobs by investigating the scandal. Apparently these departments didn't get the memo from President Obama, "Don't do your job. You are making the rest of us look bad."
1, As always reference is made to the link, and NOT THE FACTS. It must be easier to simply do that than address the facts IN THE ARTICLE. Most who question links on here give a reason the link either misquoted or stated things out of context. You chose to simply pass it off as if that means anything.

2. Point of the thread which you obviously missed was the initial reaction by the President......he immediately blamed congress and not him.

That was the point......it is his total infallibility that is in question.
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Old 07-22-2015, 08:39 AM
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I also would like to ask all those liberals on here who demean Fox News, and most site and not the Washington Times, which news source is acceptable ???

I am betting it is one that agrees with your point of view.
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Old 07-22-2015, 08:40 AM
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typo on last post...restated....

I also would like to ask all those liberals on here who demean Fox News, and most sites and now the Washington Times, which news source is acceptable ???

I am betting it is one that agrees with your point of view.
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Old 07-22-2015, 09:52 AM
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I have never figured out why we even have an IRS. It is like a huge black hole. They have the tax codes so complicated that we have to hire somebody to do our taxes. Just think, if there was no IRS and only a flat sales tax,

No tax preparers needed
No tax credits
No tax free organizations
The rich would pay more in taxes, the more you earn the more you spend.
Everybody would pay their fair share of taxes
A few million less people on the taxpayer's tab. ( Actually, who knows how many)
We just might be able to balance the budget.

I know, "The Fair Tax" idea has been around for years and if not for the IRS protecting their own jobs, we would probably have it.
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Old 07-22-2015, 11:42 AM
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What you have labelled the fair tax is not a fair tax despite its name. It is a tax designed to have those whose economic condition requires them to spend what money they make on taxable products and services. If you are wealthy and have income that is being saved or spent outside of this country, that money is earned tax free. It is the most regressive tax system possible. We have always had a progressive income tax system on the belief that those who have the highest incomes can be expected to contribute more to the national welfare. Of course the wealthy would love to get rid of that system so they can increase their domination of wealth in our country. What we really need is more upward mobility for the top earners as they are suffering so badly over the last 25 years.
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Old 07-22-2015, 11:45 AM
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A Flat sales tax. You have to be kidding. A national sales tax is the most regressive tax possible. Calling it "The Fair Tax" is shear lunacy. It hurts the people on the low, and middle end of the scale for more than the rich. A sales tax with no deductions for interest, dependents, property taxes is fair! It would destroy the housing market. People are counting on these deductions to be able to afford their mortgage payments. A flat income tax with no deductions is just as bad, if not worse.

Don't bet! You will lose your money. Morning Joe is the only one worth watching on a regular basis. I have said this before, when Mika speaks hit the mute button on the remote. Nothing that she says is worth hearing.

His immediate reaction was to blame Congress. How long has the IRS problem/scandal been going on? You are treating his comment as if they were spur of the moment. Didn't Congress blame him immediately, when the scandal broke? I could be wrong, but aren't they still trying to say it was him, who instructed the IRS to go after Tea Party groups? Some of the hard liners, you know thick heads, in the Republican party will never be convinced, he didn't tell them what to do. They will always be looking for something that isn't there.

The Republicans in Congress are driving down a lovely one way street. They think that they are infallible. The reality is it is a two way street. You blame President Obama for everything. He will in turn blame you for everything. That is not infallibility. That is children acting like children. Too bad! So sad! Acting like a child has it good points.
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Old 07-22-2015, 11:46 AM
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I like the post right above mine. Great minds do think alike.
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Old 07-22-2015, 12:41 PM
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Well, let's see how I fit into your thinking,

I am a Democrat, I am not rich or poor, I do not draw any pensions, union or government, I worked my entire life and saved through my 401K at work for my retirement, and yes, I detest having to hire a tax preparer to do my taxes every year so that I can pay for the lavish lifestyles of people like Lois Lerner and the other IRS employees while they make their own laws to take my money and put it into their pockets. That is why I do not like our current tax system.
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Old 07-22-2015, 01:22 PM
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Well, let's see how I fit into your thinking,

I am a Democrat, I am not rich or poor, I do not draw any pensions, union or government, I worked my entire life and saved through my 401K at work for my retirement, and yes, I detest having to hire a tax preparer to do my taxes every year so that I can pay for the lavish lifestyles of people like Lois Lerner and the other IRS employees while they make their own laws to take my money and put it into their pockets. That is why I do not like our current tax system.
Congress passes tax laws, not the IRS or the president.
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Old 07-22-2015, 01:39 PM
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Boy are you naive. It is all in the implementation.

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Congress passes tax laws, not the IRS or the president.
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Old 07-22-2015, 01:54 PM
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Well, let's see how I fit into your thinking,

I am a Democrat, I am not rich or poor, I do not draw any pensions, union or government, I worked my entire life and saved through my 401K at work for my retirement, and yes, I detest having to hire a tax preparer to do my taxes every year so that I can pay for the lavish lifestyles of people like Lois Lerner and the other IRS employees while they make their own laws to take my money and put it into their pockets. That is why I do not like our current tax system.
First, your political affiliations have ZERO to do with this.

Second, you made poor choices in your career by not choosing one that would give you a pension.

Third, hiring a tax preparer is ridiculous. There is Turbo Tax which does everything you want or you can get free tax preparation in The Villages by former accountants.

Fourth, what makes you think that IRS employees have lavish lifestyles? Their average salary for an IRS professional is around $105,000 per year and that is far from lavish.

Fifth, they do not make their own laws nor does the tax money go into their pockets anymore than it goes into yours through your Social Security benefit and Medicare benefits.
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Old 07-22-2015, 03:04 PM
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My point is, I am the one who you say the Fair Tax would hurt, when the only people I have ever heard complain about the fair tax are the people who draw a government pension. Most of the people funding those pensions earn less money than the government employee they are supporting.

Don't get me wrong, I am not complaining about my lifestyle, I funded my lifestyle 100% by working my whole life and saving my money. Nobody funds it for me.
 

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