I might have to sell my villa before I get to TV.

[Guest]

To me this is very disturbing news which I just read in the on-line Daily Sun.

http://www.thevillagesdailysun.com/articles/2008/08/24/villages/villages02.txt

Fox Noise "Fair and Balanced" this is a joke.

Well there goes listening to The Villages Radio Station.....I will have to carry some ear plugs when I'm on the squares. ???

[Guest]

If you just want one side than by all means stick with the alphabets.

[Guest]

So tell me what is different than hearing one liberal side than one conservative side. How about "liberal" one hour and conservative on the next.

I would have used even and odd....but.

[Guest]

Cologal, what would you do if CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, CNBC, NY TIMES and just about every other so called newspaper, were CONSERVATIVE instead of LIBERAL. The only, and I mean only place a Republican can get any substantial news that IS fair and balanced is FOX. Get a grip.

[Guest]

Cologal--- How many Republicans are on the alphabets, not to mention have their own show. With the exception of Glen Beck, and some pundits once in awhile I can't think of any. If you want I can list all the Democrats that either have their own show or our pundits on FOX, all the time. Whether you want to admit it or not you get both sides. I won't bother getting into the print media or TV shows.

[Guest]

If you ask most people much of the mainstream press has gone to the middle and at times a little right. For my news I always watch a number of stations but I never miss The New Hour with NewsHour With Jim Lehrer. The devote a lot of time to actually discuss the issues.

I have listened to Fox however they admit the Fair and Balanced part means they are balancing the "liberal media".

I don't ever tune in Keith Oberman because he is to far left for me. I don't, anymore, listen to liberal radio nor right radio because they are at the edges also.

So to me Fox is the Oberman of the right.

Try the News Hour its pretty good

[Guest]

Cologal--- How many Republicans are on the alphabets, not to mention have their own show. With the exception of Glen Beck, and some pundits once in awhile I can't think of any. If you want I can list all the Democrats that either have their own show or our pundits on FOX, all the time. Whether you want to admit it or not you get both sides. I won't bother getting into the print media or TV shows.


I have listened to Fox....usually when they all get going to can't hear a thing. They all just start yelling at each other.

[Guest]

Cologal: I think you are listening with ears that will not hear. Try watching news programs on Fox like Fox News Sunday with Chris Wallace, or Fox Report with Shep Smith, or Brit Hume daily at 3P.

I grant you, I don't like watching O'Reilly because he never lets anyone get a word in edgewise and I don't like Hannity and Colmes because of all the talking over.

But if you are just watching the alphabet stations and Lehrer, you are getting slanted liberal jibberish.

Then you should start reading and doing your own research if you are sincere about wanting to check out points of view and their validity against history.

Libs have many more radio/print/television outlets. And ohbytheway, you should try to watch the Saddleback Civil Forum. It was on both CNN and Fox. I'm sure you can see it again somewhere. That was the most revealing and fair and balanced I have seen to get a good idea of what the candidates really believe and their core values. If character isn't an issue for you, then I can't help you.

Good luck.

[Guest]

Former White House press secretary Scott McCllelan made it clear that the White House gave correspondents and pundits at Fox "talking points" that were useful to the White House and McCllelan indicated that Fox gave the White House the desired results.

"Fair and balanced"? Hardly!

[Guest]

I did watch the Saddleback Forum but there does appear to be an issue with it. McCain was NOT in a Cone of Silence.

Eight years ago I did support McCain in the primaries but that McCain is not this McCain. And while it would be a natural fit to vote for Obama so far that ain't going to happen.

I will check out the shows you suggest Thanks

[Guest]

Fox is as balanced as it gets and yes they do lean right. But most of the others have leaned so far left there is nowhhere else to go.

So suggest you sell.

[Guest]

I think I will try the earplugs first....

To much golf to give up.

[Guest]

If you ask most people much of the mainstream press has gone to the middle and at times a little right.
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I would TOTALLY and without exception disagree with this statement !

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I don't ever tune in Keith Oberman because he is to far left for me.
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If he is too far left how could you support the Obama/Biden ticket ? Their record makes him look right !!

[Guest]

If living in a very conservative, Republican enclave truly bothers you, then you're probably going to have problems in TV. It is that. There are some Democrats and even a few liberals but the majority are Republican, conservative and nice people even if slightly misguided (yes, tongue is firmly in cheek -- don't kill me).

[Guest]

If you ask most people much of the mainstream press has gone to the middle and at times a little right.
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I would TOTALLY and without exception disagree with this statement !

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I don't ever tune in Keith Oberman because he is to far left for me.
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If he is too far left how could you support the Obama/Biden ticket ? Their record makes him look right !!




Bucco.....

Please show me, in any of my posts, where I said I supported Obama.

If you find one let me know.

[Guest]

If living in a very conservative, Republican enclave truly bothers you, then you're probably going to have problems in TV. It is that. There are some Democrats and even a few liberals but the majority are Republican, conservative and nice people even if slightly misguided (yes, tongue is firmly in cheek -- don't kill me).


No what I said is listening to Fox Noise bothers me...so far The Villages has been great. And I have for 42 years lived in the Great State of Colorado in the most Republican conservative part Colorado Springs. If I can live here I can live anywhere.

I am a former Democrat, now Independent, not Conservative person who enjoys civil debate and chasing that little white ball whenever I can.

See you in December...with ear plugs in hand.

[Guest]

Independent radio stations have always purchased national/regional news broadcasts (on the hour) as an economy measure. It's cheaper than maintaining their own news crew and if the station's format is all music or sports or anything other than all-news, it makes sense.

Independent stations, as a business decision, periodically change the hourly news provider based on who gives the best deal. So, looking for a subliminal political message out of WVLG's business decision to get a bigger bang for its buck is really pushing it. Fox is expanding into the independent radio market and obviously just made the deal too good to pass.

[Guest]

Bill Kristol, a neo-conservative in Washington quote ‘The press isn't quite as biased and liberal. They're actually conservative sometimes,’ Kristol said recently on CNN. Kristol told The New Yorker. ‘The whole idea of the 'liberal media' was often used as an excuse by conservatives for conservative failures.’”
Conservatives are extremely well represented in every facet of the media. The correlative point is that even the genuine liberal media are not so liberal. And they are no match--either in size, ferocity or commitment--for the massive conservative media structure that, more than ever, determines the shape and scope of our political agenda.

In a careful study published in the academic journal Communications Research, four scholars examined the use of the "liberal media" argument and discovered a fourfold increase in the number of Americans telling pollsters that they discerned a liberal bias in their news. But a review of the media's actual ideological content, collected and coded over a twelve-year period, offered no corroboration whatever for this view. The obvious conclusion: News consumers were responding to "increasing news coverage of liberal bias media claims, which have been increasingly emanating from Republican Party candidates and officials."

The right is working the refs. And it's working. Much of the public believes a useful but unsupportable myth about the so-called liberal media, and the media themselves have been cowed by conservatives into repeating their nonsensical nostrums virtually nonstop...
The right wing propagada machine has been able to convince us of these myths;

1. have helped create the myth that social security is failing, paving the way for the realization of one of the right's political wet dreams: privatization of social security
2. perpetuate conservative myths about wellfare and simultanously turn a blind eye to corporate wellfare
3. sensationalize street crime and ignore corporate crime
4. treat religious right groups such as the Promise Keepers with kid's gloves and thus help legitimize them in the public perception. Generally avoid reporting on the lunatic fringe of the right, such as militias, neo-Nazis and anti-abortion terrorists, and in particular, avoid examining the personal and ideological connections these groups have to the Republican party
5. created the perception that there is widespread popular opposition to affirmative action when in fact most people support it
6. all but ignore waste, mismanagment and corruption in the military-industrial complex, especially as it relates to the planned missile defense system
7. downplayed protests against the IMF, the World Bank and the WTO by portraying protestors as leftist fringe groups, communists and anarchists
8. report corporate PR as legitimate scientific research.

[Guest]

I read the Wall St. Journal and the NY Times, and feel that I get a fair balance of perspectives from those. The radio pundits really turn me off.

[Guest]

Hmm. I thought the Villages radio station was just good news and all about the Villages? I sure don't remember hearing the bad news while listening to it? I can listen to the bad news on any other station... Or do I just not remember correctly? This happens to me a lot these days. ???

[Guest]

UU,

They allow the "real world" to invade our protective bubble for 3-5 minutes every hour...then it's back to the moldy oldies (tunes, that is). Actually, for our own little hometown radio station, they are enjoyable to listen to. Sure is a bonus to have our own 'retired' government/military weather forecasters....talk about getting localized forecasts!!!

[Guest]

Thanks, Villager07.
I guess I didn't pay attention during those few minutes every hour. I can't remember things like I used to, I don't pay attention, and now I just discovered that I accidentally ventured into this political talk area. :o I didn't mean to come here. ttfn!

[Guest]

This is a country of "freedom of speech" and a country that gives us the choice of whether to listen or not. I don't care whether the news is to my liking or not. Whether I agree or not, at least I can listen to all points of view. Not many countries provide the citizens with this choice.

We need to be grateful living in a country that provides us with communication...and choices.

[Guest]

Bucco.....

Please show me, in any of my posts, where I said I supported Obama.

If you find one let me know
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Sorry COLOGAL...my bad...I suppose I saw an inclination :) We agree that neither candidate "floats our boat"....in my case Sen Obama scares me a lot more than Sen Mcain !

[Guest]

If living in a very conservative, Republican enclave truly bothers you, then you're probably going to have problems in TV. It is that. There are some Democrats and even a few liberals but the majority are Republican, conservative and nice people even if slightly misguided (yes, tongue is firmly in cheek -- don't kill me).



Red....while I agree that the majority of people that live in TV's are republican, I will say that I think there are more Democrats here then you may know about....however...I think most of us just love TV's so much that we don't make a HUGE deal over the fact that the Republicans have it here....we just live our lives...believe what we believe and continue to love the community that we chose to live in...ragardless of who believes in what....

There is certainly enough room for all of us to live here, love living here and enjoy our lives and each other...whether we are Republican or Democrat or Independent or Green or etc....just as we are all of different religious beliefs, different sizes, different colors and different reasons why we chose to live here....

My point is that we can all turn OFF the radio station if we want....and we can all live here whether we agree or disagree....it's a choice we have made Republican or not...isn't taht what America is all about? Isn't that what we want TV's to be about?

[Guest]

Cologal, don't sell your villa! There are some of us out here with open minds! Seriously!

Now, I'll get slammed! IMHO Fox News is and has always been a joke. Who else would hire Geraldo Riveria? :o

Bucco, you use the word "fear" and "scared" alot and for that I'm truly sorry. I believe "unfounded fears" are called Phobias. Some kind of anxiety disorder? Well, if you do need help for this, I hope you have a Health Care plan that can cover it.

It's a shameful thing that there is even one homeless person, hungry child, or person that cannot go to a doctor because they can't afford it, living in this country. It's a shameful thing indeed. :(

[Guest]

Bucco, you use the word "fear" and "scared" alot and for that I'm truly sorry. I believe "unfounded fears" are called Phobias. Some kind of anxiety disorder? Well, if you do need help for this, I hope you have a Health Care plan that can cover it.

It's a shameful thing that there is even one homeless person, hungry child, or person that cannot go to a doctor because they can't afford it, living in this country. It's a shameful thing indeed.
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You really have a problem posting anything without looking down your nose and making judgements on people. I dont know if you can even get help for that.

Do not come on here and as you have done dismiss me and sound as if you are the Mother Teresa and anyone who disagrees with you is an ice cold bum.

YOU AND YOU ALONE have ruined this board for me...dont you wish you were even close to as important as you feel you are

[Guest]

:agree: mariab

That's basically the point I was trying to make, too.

[Guest]

Bucco, I apologize if I ruined the board for you. That certainly wasn't my intention. After this one, I won't respond to you further. But just to set the record straight, are you calling me an Elitist? You're the one that has a problem with anyone disagreeing with you. I'm probably one of the least judgmental people you'll ever come across. I'm a liberal, remember?

I have tried to answer your quest for the issues. I have tried to joke with you. But I have never dismissed you. Until now. Dismissed.

[Guest]

YOU AND YOU ALONE have ruined this board for me...dont you wish you were even close to as important as you feel you are


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buc

If the board is "ruined for you", quit posting, you won't be missed!

[Guest]

:( I can't wait until the election is over.

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YOU AND YOU ALONE have ruined this board for me...dont you wish you were even close to as important as you feel you are




buc

If the board is "ruined for you", quit posting, you won't be missed!


Look...I wanted to have some fun. I can tune out Fox Noise no problem as long as they don't open up when I am putting.

We may not agree but we should be able to get along. Sometimes I even go out for coffee with a Republican.

[Guest]

Bucco.....

Please show me, in any of my posts, where I said I supported Obama.

If you find one let me know
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Sorry COLOGAL...my bad...I suppose I saw an inclination :) We agree that neither candidate "floats our boat"....in my case Sen Obama scares me a lot more than Sen Mcain !


Honestly, that is my natural inclination...Obama doesn't scare me but I can't vote for McCain however. He is really bad on women's issues. And I don't like is dive to the right...8 years ago he was more moderate.

[Guest]

Geraldo Rivera is as liberal as they come. Why would he be on FOX, if they only hire conservatives? No one in this country is denied health care. I have lived in Europe. Trust me, you don't want socialized medicine. For all its faults we still have the best health care in the world.
Bill Kristol is not a neo-conservative. He is a Republican, but certainly not conservative.

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Sally Jo you are so correct. Concerning Rivera, he is well on the left and to me a bit racist when it comes to "his people" who happen to be illegal immigrants. He is, too in your face, regarding that issue and should learn that America and her people come first. What don't people understand about the word "illegal" ?

[Guest]

Geraldo Rivera is as liberal as they come. Why would he be on FOX, if they only hire conservatives? No one in this country is denied health care. I have lived in Europe. Trust me, you don't want socialized medicine. For all its faults we still have the best health care in the world.
Bill Kristol is not a neo-conservative. He is a Republican, but certainly not conservative.


Please....I work in the Healthcare industry. Have you ever heard of a walletectomy? Its performed in all major hospitals. Insurance Companies deny coverage and deny payments.

The system has become for profit.. We need a change.

[Guest]

Bill Kristol is not a neo-conservative. He is a Republican, but certainly not conservative.

Kristol is associated with a number of conservatively aligned think tanks: he was chairman of the New Citizenship Project from 1997 to 2005, he cofounded the neoconservative Project for the New American Century (PNAC) in 1997 with Robert Kagan, he is a member of the board of trustees for the free-market Manhattan Institute for Policy Research, and he is a member of the Policy Advisory Board for the neoconservative Ethics and Public Policy Center. Kristol has also been an attendee at Bilderberg Group conferences.
Kristol was born to Irving Kristol, one of the founders of the neoconservative movement.

[Guest]

The best thing about the villages is that there are few liberals and democrats. After living in NY for so many years I was beginning to loose hope.

Pete

[Guest]

Oh well....we seem to be moving in... ;D

Oh wait I'm not a liberal....

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I must have missed the Koolaid stand.