Iran Deal Done

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According to the Fox News website, President Obama has the Democrat number to make the Iran Nuclear Deal veto-proof.


Chalk up another win for President Obama.

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And the majority of we the people lose another one.

I guess a black presidents to do and "I" did list is a much higher priority.

Shame on all the congressional lemmings who rolled over. The quis quo pros are also a higher priority than we the people.

End result? America and the world are much less safe. America takes another step backwards in stature, out foxed by terrorist criminals and a radical, arrogant, incompetent president.

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It was a foregone conclusion. Just like the ACA, there were complaints but no alternative.

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A bad deal is NOT better than NO deal. Too bad that liberals only see black on all issues that require some form of action or decision, when the option does not have to be just black or white, but could also include several shades of gray. To liberals, the ONLY alternative is the lie that the left keeps trying to convince us, that if not THAT deal, then war. Not even close to the truth. You don't have to have to have a degree in foreign policy to understand this. On the other hand, we are dealing with way too many liberals, that do not understand the terms compromise, negotiate or investigate.

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On the other hand, we are dealing with way too many liberals, that do not understand the terms compromise, negotiate or investigate.

We have too many liberals? The majority of voters elected Pres. Obama. Majority rules!

Liberals do not know compromise? Horse hockey! Don't forget that the Republicans have tried to deny just about all of the ideas of the President and the nickname for Republicans is "G'Noper".

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OK, so no deal. Iran is then free to to proceed unabated to develop a nuclear weapon. And don't worry, China and Russia will be more than happy to fill in economically. Of course, there is always war.

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OK, so no deal. Iran is then free to to proceed unabated to develop a nuclear weapon. And don't worry, China and Russia will be more than happy to fill in economically. Of course, there is always war.

Where did you get that idea? When we had sanctions on them, it made it harder for them to build a nuke. Now, they won't even have to worry about building one, because they will have their money released to them and they will be able to buy one from Russia. Now, they have arranged it so that they get to do their own inspections of military sites, and the IAEA have to give them 24 days notice/warning before inspecting.

No, this was a bad deal, made by idiots that didn't know squat about negotiating. This is one time they should have had Trump on their team, but they had a treasonous anti-war coward instead.

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Where did you get that idea? When we had sanctions on them, it made it harder for them to build a nuke. Now, they won't even have to worry about building one, because they will have their money released to them and they will be able to buy one from Russia. Now, they have arranged it so that they get to do their own inspections of military sites, and the IAEA have to give them 24 days notice/warning before inspecting.

No, this was a bad deal, made by idiots that didn't know squat about negotiating. This is one time they should have had Trump on their team, but they had a treasonous anti-war coward instead.
One factor that shouldn't be ignored is Israeli determination. They took out Iraq's nuclear reactor in 1981 (Operation Opera) and Syria's nuclear reactor in 2007 (Operation Orchard). I have a feeling that there is an Operation name for Iran also.

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One factor that shouldn't be ignored is Israeli determination. They took out Iraq's nuclear reactor in 1981 (Operation Opera) and Syria's nuclear reactor in 2007 (Operation Orchard). I have a feeling that there is an Operation name for Iran also.

It wouldn't break my heart if Israel bombed'em. They've(Iran) been a thorn in our flesh for a long time. Sooner is better than later, though.

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Get off the liberal rant. Not all liberals think this is a good deal, let alone one that should have ever been negotiated. Believe it or not, some of us are just as scared as the conservatives. Intelligence and common sense do not just belong to one side or the other.

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We have too many liberals? The majority of voters elected Pres. Obama. Majority rules!

Liberals do not know compromise? Horse hockey! Don't forget that the Republicans have tried to deny just about all of the ideas of the President and the nickname for Republicans is "G'Noper".

Republicans merely attempted to stop the transition of our FREE nation to socialism. The president never had a good idea. They did exactly what we elected them to do and I am glad they listened some of the time. Obama was a criminal drug abuser prior to his being elected and if not for being elected, he would never have qualified for a security clearance. I call it irony. To tell you the truth, I thought he would have done more damage to the country than he did. Thank goodness the economy bounced back in spite of him and his stupid cronies, Reid and Pelosi. Hopefully, the Republican controlled congress can keep Obama under control until he vacates the White House.

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Get off the liberal rant. Not all liberals think this is a good deal, let alone one that should have ever been negotiated. Believe it or not, some of us are just as scared as the conservatives. Intelligence and common sense do not just belong to one side or the other.

Prove it....:jester:

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We have too many liberals? The majority of voters elected Pres. Obama. Majority rules!

Liberals do not know compromise? Horse hockey! Don't forget that the Republicans have tried to deny just about all of the ideas of the President and the nickname for Republicans is "G'Noper".

BS.
What do you call yourself when you do not accept a deal....in personal life....stop looking for the political potential as there is none.

We are OK in your book if we agree, go along, play dead and do not give an opposing position. If we do anything other than say yes or the preceding we qualify only for the name calling.

But does that mean you name callers never ever reject anything?
Are you like the baby birds in the nest with their mouths open wide just waiting for your powers that be to drop something in?

I will close the same way I started.....BS!

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BS.
What do you call yourself when you do not accept a deal....in personal life....stop looking for the political potential as there is none.

We are OK in your book if we agree, go along, play dead and do not give an opposing position. If we do anything other than say yes or the preceding we qualify only for the name calling.

But does that mean you name callers never ever reject anything?
Are you like the baby birds in the nest with their mouths open wide just waiting for your powers that be to drop something in?

I will close the same way I started.....BS!

:agree: :thumbup:

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Republicans merely attempted to stop the transition of our FREE nation to socialism. The president never had a good idea. They did exactly what we elected them to do and I am glad they listened some of the time. Obama was a criminal drug abuser prior to his being elected and if not for being elected, he would never have qualified for a security clearance. I call it irony. To tell you the truth, I thought he would have done more damage to the country than he did. Thank goodness the economy bounced back in spite of him and his stupid cronies, Reid and Pelosi. Hopefully, the Republican controlled congress can keep Obama under control until he vacates the White House.
Here's an Obama conspiracy chart for you.

54592

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Yet another.....

Disapproval from American public. Majority of congress not agreeing or some manipulation of rules to get past congress, yet we end up with it.

How proud.

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Liberals don't know how to compromise. You win the prize for that one. You have the Republican Senate for six years that filibuster just about everything. Not to be out done, the Republican House has the Hastert rule. No bill hits the floor unless it has the approval of the majority of the majority. Compromise doesn't even exist in your own party. How the hell do you except the Democrats to compromise with closed mind individuals?

Take that "we the people" nonsense, and stick it. Try this one "we the people that lost the two presidential elections". That is much more appropriate.

The economy recovered despite this president and his cronies. What was the economy recovering from the great recession! The prize of the great recession goes to "W", and his cronies. The party that had a great deal of responsibility in the great recession was the Republicans, and we should run back as fast as we can to their insane policies.

Is a free nation one that lets a few screw over the many without suffering any consequences? Free to do anything that you want is stupidity of the highest order.

Be careful what analogies you use. Baby birds with their mouths open. The Republicans are fed catch phases, talking points, and key words all the time. They parrot them all the time on order.

Concerning the Iran deal, so much misinformation is being spread on it that "we the people" don't have a clue what is real is what is not real. The Republicans keep treating the Iran deal as if we are the only party negotiating with Iran. Sanctions were placed against to get them to the bargaining table for a nuclear deal. P5 plus 1 approved the deal. It wasn't all about us. Do you think for a second the other countries in the P5 plus 1 with UN approval would have issued sanctions against Iran, if the goal was stop, and close all nuclear power plants in Iran? The cost to most of the countries was a hit to their economies.

The Democratic Senators looked in the Iran in great detail before they made their vote known. They also gave the reason for their vote. Can you say the same for the Republicans, who were against it before they even knew what was in it? If Iran cheats on the agreement, then lay them to waste. No questions asked, and no warning.

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According to the Fox News website, President Obama has the Democrat number to make the Iran Nuclear Deal veto-proof.


Chalk up another win for President Obama.

It's a not a win ... it's the pathway to a new war in about 5-10 years.

We'll call it the Obama-Iran Nuclear War of 2021 .... courtesy of a President who didn't have the backbone to do what was needed and swept the problem into the inbox of his successor

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It's a not a win ... it's the pathway to a new war in about 5-10 years.

We'll call it the Obama-Iran Nuclear War of 2021 .... courtesy of a President who didn't have the backbone to do what was needed and swept the problem into the inbox of his successor






Well, then Mr. ArmChair General when the war starts you can enlist

If you're too old, or you have some other cockamaee excuse why you can't serve (because it seems you ArmChair Generals ALWAYS have an excuse why you can't serve) I am sure you'd be willing to sacrifice YOUR kids or grandkids.

Right, General???

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Well, then Mr. ArmChair General when the war starts you can enlist

If you're too old, or you have some other cockamaee excuse why you can't serve (because it seems you ArmChair Generals ALWAYS have an excuse why you can't serve) I am sure you'd be willing to sacrifice YOUR kids or grandkids.

Right, General???

Actually, it's Admiral just so you describe it correctly ...

Your argument is the same one weak minded, and often overly emotional, people have made for generations. If we don't give away the farm, we'll have war etc.

The lessons of history are straightforward ... it's better to deter war through strength (like Reagan did) vs blunder into it like Obama is setting up his successor to do. Try to remember that when your grandkids, and mine, end up getting involved because of Obama's decisions today.

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Liberals don't know how to compromise. You win the prize for that one. You have the Republican Senate for six years that filibuster just about everything. Not to be out done, the Republican House has the Hastert rule. No bill hits the floor unless it has the approval of the majority of the majority. Compromise doesn't even exist in your own party. How the hell do you except the Democrats to compromise with closed mind individuals?

Take that "we the people" nonsense, and stick it. Try this one "we the people that lost the two presidential elections". That is much more appropriate.

The economy recovered despite this president and his cronies. What was the economy recovering from the great recession! The prize of the great recession goes to "W", and his cronies. The party that had a great deal of responsibility in the great recession was the Republicans, and we should run back as fast as we can to their insane policies.

Is a free nation one that lets a few screw over the many without suffering any consequences? Free to do anything that you want is stupidity of the highest order.

Be careful what analogies you use. Baby birds with their mouths open. The Republicans are fed catch phases, talking points, and key words all the time. They parrot them all the time on order.

Concerning the Iran deal, so much misinformation is being spread on it that "we the people" don't have a clue what is real is what is not real. The Republicans keep treating the Iran deal as if we are the only party negotiating with Iran. Sanctions were placed against to get them to the bargaining table for a nuclear deal. P5 plus 1 approved the deal. It wasn't all about us. Do you think for a second the other countries in the P5 plus 1 with UN approval would have issued sanctions against Iran, if the goal was stop, and close all nuclear power plants in Iran? The cost to most of the countries was a hit to their economies.

The Democratic Senators looked in the Iran in great detail before they made their vote known. They also gave the reason for their vote. Can you say the same for the Republicans, who were against it before they even knew what was in it? If Iran cheats on the agreement, then lay them to waste. No questions asked, and no warning.

Boy, they sure have you brainwashed. How's it feel to be oblivious and ignorant. Did you hear anyone in D.C. denying anything that I mentioned? Nope, because it is true. But, ignorance flourishes in those of you that live in Obama's mental utopia. You are so brainwashed that you actually believe the unbelievable. SO much for common sense and motivation. You are too lazy to even do your own research to prove the validity of statements made on here. I guess if you deny something long enough, you might be able to believe it's true eventually. No matter how much powdered sugar Obama sprinkles on a pile of manure, it's still sh.. by anyone's standard.

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Liberals don't know how to compromise. You win the prize for that one. You have the Republican Senate for six years that filibuster just about everything. Not to be out done, the Republican House has the Hastert rule. No bill hits the floor unless it has the approval of the majority of the majority. Compromise doesn't even exist in your own party. How the hell do you except the Democrats to compromise with closed mind individuals?

Take that "we the people" nonsense, and stick it. Try this one "we the people that lost the two presidential elections". That is much more appropriate.

The economy recovered despite this president and his cronies. What was the economy recovering from the great recession! The prize of the great recession goes to "W", and his cronies. The party that had a great deal of responsibility in the great recession was the Republicans, and we should run back as fast as we can to their insane policies.

Is a free nation one that lets a few screw over the many without suffering any consequences? Free to do anything that you want is stupidity of the highest order.

Be careful what analogies you use. Baby birds with their mouths open. The Republicans are fed catch phases, talking points, and key words all the time. They parrot them all the time on order.

Concerning the Iran deal, so much misinformation is being spread on it that "we the people" don't have a clue what is real is what is not real. The Republicans keep treating the Iran deal as if we are the only party negotiating with Iran. Sanctions were placed against to get them to the bargaining table for a nuclear deal. P5 plus 1 approved the deal. It wasn't all about us. Do you think for a second the other countries in the P5 plus 1 with UN approval would have issued sanctions against Iran, if the goal was stop, and close all nuclear power plants in Iran? The cost to most of the countries was a hit to their economies.

The Democratic Senators looked in the Iran in great detail before they made their vote known. They also gave the reason for their vote. Can you say the same for the Republicans, who were against it before they even knew what was in it? If Iran cheats on the agreement, then lay them to waste. No questions asked, and no warning.

Compromise? You mean like how Obamacare got pushed through illegally? They didn't have the vote so they "deemed" it (Pelosi speak). Or how Reid let a hundred House passed bills sit on his desk, refusing to allow a vote on them.
It was only the "Great Recession" because of how it was handled by the amateur. When the market crashed after 9/11, how long did it take to recover during BUSH's administration? And don't forget all the reasons that we had the recession. Don't forget Barney and his refusal to allow Fanny and Freddy to be audited after Bush requested it several times. I won't go into that, because it's over your head. You have chanted "it's Bush's fault" so many times in sync with your messiah in D.C. that you believe it.
Truth is a foreign idea to liberals. All you understand is "black lives matter" killing babies is a woman's right, and it's too hard to deport the illegals. Such a weak and pathetic bunch of needy people, the liberals. No motivation, no morals, no ethics and no self reliance.

The Iran deal is a bad deal for the world, and it will only hasten another war. I will predict a major air strike by Israel within the next year to two years. We could have avoided that, but we have weak minded leaders non-negotiating with Iran. And they laugh at us and parade in the streets, burning our flag and chanting death to America. Don't worry though, we still have a small military to protect you liberals when the doo doo hits the fan.

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The Iran deal is a bad deal for the world, and it will only hasten another war. I will predict a major air strike by Israel within the next year to two years. We could have avoided that, but we have weak minded leaders non-negotiating with Iran. And they laugh at us and parade in the streets, burning our flag and chanting death to America. Don't worry though, we still have a small military to protect you liberals when the doo doo hits the fan.

Accordingly then, Israeli air strikes in Iraq in 1981 and Syria in 2007 could have been avoided except for weak minded leaders.

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Accordingly then, Israeli air strikes in Iraq in 1981 and Syria in 2007 could have been avoided except for weak minded leaders.

I do not understand your "accordingly then"....

Could you explain ??

Thanks

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Nothing about this deal will stop Iran from acquiring a NUKE, they don't have to make one. With the 160 billion in freed assets , they can buy one. Pakistan,N.Korea & the former soviet union member states will sell a nuke if the price is right.

Iran already possesses an un stopable delivery system. All they have to do is put the nuke in a diplomatic airplane and say they're going to the UN for the opening of the General Assembly. NYC is the prime target, not Israel.

The disruption to life in the U.S. would be unmeasurable & combined with the fact that there are over 1 million Jews in NYC, Iran looks @ it as a twofer.

The anti treaty demonstrations in Iran are a faint, Iran is a dictatorship--nothing happens without the consent of the Ayotollahs.

So-If you have loved ones in NYC--Tell to get out ASAP

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Boy, they sure have you brainwashed. How's it feel to be oblivious and ignorant. Did you hear anyone in D.C. denying anything that I mentioned? Nope, because it is true. But, ignorance flourishes in those of you that live in Obama's mental utopia. You are so brainwashed that you actually believe the unbelievable. SO much for common sense and motivation. You are too lazy to even do your own research to prove the validity of statements made on here. I guess if you deny something long enough, you might be able to believe it's true eventually. No matter how much powdered sugar Obama sprinkles on a pile of manure, it's still sh.. by anyone's standard.

I don't know how it feels to be oblivious and ignorant. Since you are the president of oblivious and ignorant fan club of the Villages, why don't you tell me? Which post number are you referring about things that you mentioned?

Do you think that your total nonsense bothers me? All I do is consider the source. What is your standard for sprinkling sugar on manure? I am totally ignorant to that standard, but you must the expert in powered manure from your experience with it..

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Compromise? You mean like how Obamacare got pushed through illegally? They didn't have the vote so they "deemed" it (Pelosi speak). Or how Reid let a hundred House passed bills sit on his desk, refusing to allow a vote on them.
It was only the "Great Recession" because of how it was handled by the amateur. When the market crashed after 9/11, how long did it take to recover during BUSH's administration? And don't forget all the reasons that we had the recession. Don't forget Barney and his refusal to allow Fanny and Freddy to be audited after Bush requested it several times. I won't go into that, because it's over your head. You have chanted "it's Bush's fault" so many times in sync with your messiah in D.C. that you believe it.
Truth is a foreign idea to liberals. All you understand is "black lives matter" killing babies is a woman's right, and it's too hard to deport the illegals. Such a weak and pathetic bunch of needy people, the liberals. No motivation, no morals, no ethics and no self reliance.

The Iran deal is a bad deal for the world, and it will only hasten another war. I will predict a major air strike by Israel within the next year to two years. We could have avoided that, but we have weak minded leaders non-negotiating with Iran. And they laugh at us and parade in the streets, burning our flag and chanting death to America. Don't worry though, we still have a small military to protect you liberals when the doo doo hits the fan.


How many of these House bills 50+ were repelling ACA? How stupid do you have to be to keep sending bills on the same subject, that you know aren't going anywhere?

The Great Recession was handled by an amateur, but it took a real pro to get us there in the first place. You are trying to compare 9/11 recession to the 2008/2009 recession., You have to be kidding. Since it is over my head, you explain it to me? I won't hold my breath waiting for an answer.

When B. Frank, and C. Dodd found out, what the banks and mortgage companies, what did they do? Passed legislation to prevent it from happening again in the future. Who fought this legislation? The Republicans! The same people that caused the great recession to begin with. Save your cheap personal shots for someone that actually gives a crap.

To hard to deport illegals. So, President Obama hasn't deported illegals, and you get your facts from where the seat of your pants. Only an idiot thinks you can deport 11/12 million illegals, and then bring the good ones back.

Concerning conservative, you can find your ass with both your hands.

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How many of these House bills 50+ were repelling ACA? How stupid do you have to be to keep sending bills on the same subject, that you know aren't going anywhere?

The Great Recession was handled by an amateur, but it took a real pro to get us there in the first place. You are trying to compare 9/11 recession to the 2008/2009 recession., You have to be kidding. Since it is over my head, you explain it to me? I won't hold my breath waiting for an answer.

When B. Frank, and C. Dodd found out, what the banks and mortgage companies, what did they do? Passed legislation to prevent it from happening again in the future. Who fought this legislation? The Republicans! The same people that caused the great recession to begin with. Save your cheap personal shots for someone that actually gives a crap.

To hard to deport illegals. So, President Obama hasn't deported illegals, and you get your facts from where the seat of your pants. Only an idiot thinks you can deport 11/12 million illegals, and then bring the good ones back.

Concerning conservative, you can find your ass with both your hands.

Nothing but rpeat and repeat BS!

Take one example from your post; the 11.5 million illegals. All your type do is hammer at the opposition about the illogic of trying to deal with the 11.5 million and then procede to belittle anything remotely related to illegal immigration.

Why have we not heard from the democrats, you included a plan to stop the tsunami of illegals coming in every day?
We will give you the 11.5 million already here. What is being done to make sure that number does not double? NOTHING! What is being offered to help get control of the open border? NOTHING!

None one improvement toward getting the free flow of illegals into this country. Now just why is that ?

It is a :censored: joke. The US border patrol does a great job of making sure Americans, RETURNING to the USA only bring one bottle of booze back.....while just a little way down the road the MEXICAN and anybody else coming through mexico is parading across the border.....good guys and gals and kids and rapists and murderers and terrorists.......NONE of which have to account to anybody for leaving their country or coming into ours.

So instead of beating the dead horse about whatta we gonna do with the 11.5 million and do something to stop the problem?

The BS as usual talking points are a bit worn out.

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And has nothing to do with the thread.....as if that matters.

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Nothing but rpeat and repeat BS!

Take one example from your post; the 11.5 million illegals. All your type do is hammer at the opposition about the illogic of trying to deal with the 11.5 million and then procede to belittle anything remotely related to illegal immigration.

Why have we not heard from the democrats, you included a plan to stop the tsunami of illegals coming in every day?
We will give you the 11.5 million already here. What is being done to make sure that number does not double? NOTHING! What is being offered to help get control of the open border? NOTHING!

None one improvement toward getting the free flow of illegals into this country. Now just why is that ?

It is a :censored: joke. The US border patrol does a great job of making sure Americans, RETURNING to the USA only bring one bottle of booze back.....while just a little way down the road the MEXICAN and anybody else coming through mexico is parading across the border.....good guys and gals and kids and rapists and murderers and terrorists.......NONE of which have to account to anybody for leaving their country or coming into ours.

So instead of beating the dead horse about whatta we gonna do with the 11.5 million and do something to stop the problem?

The BS as usual talking points are a bit worn out.

Enforcing law never seems to be discussed as a possible solution to much of anything.

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Nothing but rpeat and repeat BS!

Take one example from your post; the 11.5 million illegals. All your type do is hammer at the opposition about the illogic of trying to deal with the 11.5 million and then procede to belittle anything remotely related to illegal immigration.

Why have we not heard from the democrats, you included a plan to stop the tsunami of illegals coming in every day?
We will give you the 11.5 million already here. What is being done to make sure that number does not double? NOTHING! What is being offered to help get control of the open border? NOTHING!

None one improvement toward getting the free flow of illegals into this country. Now just why is that ?

It is a :censored: joke. The US border patrol does a great job of making sure Americans, RETURNING to the USA only bring one bottle of booze back.....while just a little way down the road the MEXICAN and anybody else coming through mexico is parading across the border.....good guys and gals and kids and rapists and murderers and terrorists.......NONE of which have to account to anybody for leaving their country or coming into ours.

So instead of beating the dead horse about whatta we gonna do with the 11.5 million and do something to stop the problem?

The BS as usual talking points are a bit worn out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration_to_the_United_States

It appears that you are guilty of what you are charging me with.

The numbers of immigrants entering the country under Obama doesn't come anywhere near what you are charging him with. Tsunami! Hardly. It is like a summer rain storm here. It lasts for ten minutes, and then disappears. Per Wikipedia, illegal immigrants in Jan, 2011 was 11.5 million, and in Jan. 2012 11.4 million. In 2006, the number of illegals immigrants was 11,555,000. The number has remained fairly constant from 2006 through 2012.

The tsunami, that you referring to, was in 2014, when Obama issued his executive order concerning illegals. That is your Village summer rain storm. Most of these illegals were turning themselves in upon entering the US.

Sure, build a fence, if that makes you happy, but it can't stop there. Do something about making the illegals here legal. Don't give them a path to citizenship, if you are worried about them voting Democratic. End this seemly endless discussion by doing something. Trying to deport all the illegals is insanity of the highest order.

Don't you think that you should back up your comments with facts? The numbers do not support your argument. Illegal immigrants has remained constant through out the Obama years.

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Lies, damned lies, and Obama (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2014/04/21/lies-damned-lies-and-obamas-deportation-statistics/)

This article gives you an idea of how politics clouds the truth. Truth is whatever you want it to be.

We are off the thread topic, but who cares. It's not like people were talking about it, when we changed the subject.

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I keep asking the same question over and over with no response.

I am not interested in blaming Obama nor making excuses for Obama.

WHY ARE WE NOT ENFORCING EXISTING US IMMIGRATION LAW AT THE BORDERS AND WITHIN ?

Seems simple instead of all the twisting of facts...

We want to enforce only selected laws....ENFORCE IMMIGRATION LAW

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I don't know how it feels to be oblivious and ignorant. Since you are the president of oblivious and ignorant fan club of the Villages, why don't you tell me? Which post number are you referring about things that you mentioned?

Do you think that your total nonsense bothers me? All I do is consider the source. What is your standard for sprinkling sugar on manure? I am totally ignorant to that standard, but you must the expert in powered manure from your experience with it..

Got that right.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration_to_the_United_States

It appears that you are guilty of what you are charging me with.

The numbers of immigrants entering the country under Obama doesn't come anywhere near what you are charging him with. Tsunami! Hardly. It is like a summer rain storm here. It lasts for ten minutes, and then disappears. Per Wikipedia, illegal immigrants in Jan, 2011 was 11.5 million, and in Jan. 2012 11.4 million. In 2006, the number of illegals immigrants was 11,555,000. The number has remained fairly constant from 2006 through 2012.

The tsunami, that you referring to, was in 2014, when Obama issued his executive order concerning illegals. That is your Village summer rain storm. Most of these illegals were turning themselves in upon entering the US.

Sure, build a fence, if that makes you happy, but it can't stop there. Do something about making the illegals here legal. Don't give them a path to citizenship, if you are worried about them voting Democratic. End this seemly endless discussion by doing something. Trying to deport all the illegals is insanity of the highest order.

Don't you think that you should back up your comments with facts? The numbers do not support your argument. Illegal immigrants has remained constant through out the Obama years.

The flow of the invasion is slower now because of lack of jobs...thanks to Obie.

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The flow of the invasion is slower now because of lack of jobs...thanks to Obie.


Obie. My goodness why haven't we been calling him that from the beginning? Great name for him.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration_to_the_United_States

It appears that you are guilty of what you are charging me with.

The numbers of immigrants entering the country under Obama doesn't come anywhere near what you are charging him with. Tsunami! Hardly. It is like a summer rain storm here. It lasts for ten minutes, and then disappears. Per Wikipedia, illegal immigrants in Jan, 2011 was 11.5 million, and in Jan. 2012 11.4 million. In 2006, the number of illegals immigrants was 11,555,000. The number has remained fairly constant from 2006 through 2012.

The tsunami, that you referring to, was in 2014, when Obama issued his executive order concerning illegals. That is your Village summer rain storm. Most of these illegals were turning themselves in upon entering the US.

Sure, build a fence, if that makes you happy, but it can't stop there. Do something about making the illegals here legal. Don't give them a path to citizenship, if you are worried about them voting Democratic. End this seemly endless discussion by doing something. Trying to deport all the illegals is insanity of the highest order.

Don't you think that you should back up your comments with facts? The numbers do not support your argument. Illegal immigrants has remained constant through out the Obama years.

And just how does one get such a specific count on those here illegally?
So specific as to be able to discuss year over year increases, or not.
Is there someone at all crossing sites with one of those little clickers to count who is coming in each day?

The forecast by the government earlier this year was to excede 250,000 coming in. Again how does one forecast such an elusive number?
Again where is the count taken to validate how many came in.

I for one do not believe there is any way of knowing or tracking people who have entered this country illegally. To discuss it as though it were a census like knowledge is just a bit naieve.

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Obie. My goodness why haven't we been calling him that from the beginning? Great name for him.

I agree ... never thought of it but it certainly fits ... an immature little kid who can't do anything correctly, and often sulks if spoken to with the slightest hint of criticism

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The flow of the invasion is slower now because of lack of jobs...thanks to Obie.

In the category of stretching to find a silver lining, after Obie allows every Central American, Mexican, Chinese and Sudanese into the US illegally, and after we all become "equal" as in equally poor, the immigration invasion will finally stop.

The one thing the liberal elites forget ....once the barbarian 3rd world immigrant hordes are here, and in numbers, they will storm the strongholds of Malibu, Beverly Hills, the Hamptons and other such white privilege places. The irony will be worth seeing if nothing else. Also, gays will be persecuted unbelievably harshly esp by the Muslims. But, no worries for now right?

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In the category of stretching to find a silver lining, after Obie allows every Central American, Mexican, Chinese and Sudanese into the US illegally, and after we all become "equal" as in equally poor, the immigration invasion will finally stop.

The one thing the liberal elites forget ....once the barbarian 3rd world immigrant hordes are here, and in numbers, they will storm the strongholds of Malibu, Beverly Hills, the Hamptons and other such white privilege places. The irony will be worth seeing if nothing else. Also, gays will be persecuted unbelievably harshly esp by the Muslims. But, no worries for now right?

Ouch!! Almost anticipatory....almost.

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Obie. My goodness why haven't we been calling him that from the beginning? Great name for him.
Obie and Mikey, nice ring to it.[emoji6]

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Why is it OK with Barry and Kerry and the supporters of this agreement (who have no understanding of the content of the agreement as well as what is not in the agreement).

You see and hear what we are being told by Barry and Kerry, the lemmings and the media.
Now look and see, again, the Iranians view:

Iran thumbs nose at US even as Obama rallies support for nuke deal | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/09/03/iran-thumbs-nose-at-us-even-as-obama-rallies-support-for-nuke-deal/?intcmp=hpbt1)

Shameful and disgusting lies being peddaled by Washington, while our allies and especially the Iranians laugh at us and even more telling......right in our face in their news and press. There is good reason for there to be tears in the eyes of America's eagle!

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQpFL4HjrIf6HvkeAdIJjo2wo9rvxEo6 sBjPVBEfMe1x2oDSWUC

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Why is it OK with Barry and Kerry and the supporters of this agreement (who have no understanding of the content of the agreement as well as what is not in the agreement).

You see and hear what we are being told by Barry and Kerry, the lemmings and the media.
Now look and see, again, the Iranians view:

Iran thumbs nose at US even as Obama rallies support for nuke deal | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/09/03/iran-thumbs-nose-at-us-even-as-obama-rallies-support-for-nuke-deal/?intcmp=hpbt1)

Shameful and disgusting lies being peddaled by Washington, while our allies and especially the Iranians laugh at us and even more telling......right in our face in their news and press. There is good reason for there to be tears in the eyes of America's eagle!

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQpFL4HjrIf6HvkeAdIJjo2wo9rvxEo6 sBjPVBEfMe1x2oDSWUC

Actually, it now looks as if even Neville Chamberlain would have rejected this deal .... meaning John Kerry's name will become the new synonym for appeasement .... along with Obie of course.

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Barry and Kerry the hinge heeled deal makers (I refuse to use the word negotiator in the same sentence with their names).

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Barry and Kerry the hinge heeled deal makers (I refuse to use the word negotiator in the same sentence with their names).

Yes, hardly negotiators at all .... they even provided the Iranians with the Vaseline from what I see of the "deal"

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In the category of stretching to find a silver lining, after Obie allows every Central American, Mexican, Chinese and Sudanese into the US illegally, and after we all become "equal" as in equally poor, the immigration invasion will finally stop.

The one thing the liberal elites forget ....once the barbarian 3rd world immigrant hordes are here, and in numbers, they will storm the strongholds of Malibu, Beverly Hills, the Hamptons and other such white privilege places. The irony will be worth seeing if nothing else. Also, gays will be persecuted unbelievably harshly esp by the Muslims. But, no worries for now right?


This post takes the prize for stupidity. Talk about total nonsense. There isn't one thing in this entire post that makes any sense.

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I keep asking the same question over and over with no response.

I am not interested in blaming Obama nor making excuses for Obama.

WHY ARE WE NOT ENFORCING EXISTING US IMMIGRATION LAW AT THE BORDERS AND WITHIN ?

Seems simple instead of all the twisting of facts...

We want to enforce only selected laws....ENFORCE IMMIGRATION LAW

Given the number of illegal immigrants in the country, and the length of time they probably have been here, the current immigration law needs to be changed. Enforcing the law as written deporting millions of illegals is not practical.

The House should have acted on the bipartisan Senate bill. By not acting, they have done nothing but prolonged the inevitable. If they didn't act upon the bill because who is president, that is inexcusable.

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In the category of stretching to find a silver lining, after Obie allows every Central American, Mexican, Chinese and Sudanese into the US illegally, and after we all become "equal" as in equally poor, the immigration invasion will finally stop.

The one thing the liberal elites forget ....once the barbarian 3rd world immigrant hordes are here, and in numbers, they will storm the strongholds of Malibu, Beverly Hills, the Hamptons and other such white privilege places. The irony will be worth seeing if nothing else. Also, gays will be persecuted unbelievably harshly esp by the Muslims. But, no worries for now right?
Better get the gap gauge out for those synapses.

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This post takes the prize for stupidity. Talk about total nonsense. There isn't one thing in this entire post that makes any sense.

Of course not. It's over your head:plane:

:cryin2::cryin2:

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big discussion now going on about this "agreement" actually being a treaty, since it involves intercontinental ballistic missiles aimed at us, and Rep. Louis Gommert trying to get it constitutionally voted on as a treaty, which would involve a 2/3 vote of the senate to approve...this is our last hope to stop this dreadful deal. call your senators and congressmen on tuesday!

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big discussion now going on about this "agreement" actually being a treaty, since it involves intercontinental ballistic missiles aimed at us, and Rep. Louis Gommert trying to get it constitutionally voted on as a treaty, which would involve a 2/3 vote of the senate to approve...this is our last hope to stop this dreadful deal. call your senators and congressmen on tuesday!

:thumbup:

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Of course not. It's over your head:plane:

:cryin2::cryin2:

Another post in great detail, we should all awe of the intelligence of these two. NOT! They are truly reflective of the Republican party. Say nothing, and do nothing. Total nonsense doesn't go over most peoples heads. They just feel sorry for the person spouting the nonsense.

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This post takes the prize for stupidity. Talk about total nonsense. There isn't one thing in this entire post that makes any sense.

I think that's because you genuinely don't understand the points being made .... in a nutshell, immigration stops totally once there is no perceived advantage in leaving your typical 3rd world hell hole and sneaking across the border to the land of endless welfare checks in exchange for voting Democrat. In other words, once the Democrats succeed in truning America into just another 3rd world hellhole, no one will want to come here.

To help you understand, here's how the Hungarian Prime Minister put it yesterday when having to deal with the hordes of Muslim immigrants pouring across his border.


"...Today we are talking about tens of thousands, but next year we will be talking about millions, and this has no end,” Orban said.

“We have to make it clear that we can’t allow everyone in, because if we allow everyone in, Europe is finished,” Orban went on. “If you are rich and attractive to others, you also have to be strong because if not, they will take away what you have worked for and you will be poor, too.”

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big discussion now going on about this "agreement" actually being a treaty, since it involves intercontinental ballistic missiles aimed at us, and Rep. Louis Gommert trying to get it constitutionally voted on as a treaty, which would involve a 2/3 vote of the senate to approve...this is our last hope to stop this dreadful deal. call your senators and congressmen on tuesday!

Louie Gohmert - RationalWiki (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Louie_Gohmert)

If you want to take a road to nowhere, let Louie Gohmert drive.

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On "Meet The Press", former Secretary of State Colin Powell said the Iran nuclear deal is a remarkable deal and that the US was totally correct in pursuing the deal.

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On "Meet The Press", former Secretary of State Colin Powell said the Iran nuclear deal is a remarkable deal and that the US was totally correct in pursuing the deal.

He lost all credibility with me when he endorsed Obama, not once but twice. Nothing he has to say is worthy of my consideration.

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This post takes the prize for stupidity. Talk about total nonsense. There isn't one thing in this entire post that makes any sense.

I can understand how that would be the case with YOU. :wave:

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I think that's because you genuinely don't understand the points being made .... in a nutshell, immigration stops totally once there is no perceived advantage in leaving your typical 3rd world hell hole and sneaking across the border to the land of endless welfare checks in exchange for voting Democrat. In other words, once the Democrats succeed in truning America into just another 3rd world hellhole, no one will want to come here.

To help you understand, here's how the Hungarian Prime Minister put it yesterday when having to deal with the hordes of Muslim immigrants pouring across his border.


"...Today we are talking about tens of thousands, but next year we will be talking about millions, and this has no end,” Orban said.

“We have to make it clear that we can’t allow everyone in, because if we allow everyone in, Europe is finished,” Orban went on. “If you are rich and attractive to others, you also have to be strong because if not, they will take away what you have worked for and you will be poor, too.”

:thumbup:

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He lost all credibility with me when he endorsed Obama, not once but twice. Nothing he has to say is worthy of my consideration.
Long before he endorsed Obama he gave his WMD speech to the U.N. Incredible comes to mind.

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He lost all credibility with me when he endorsed Obama, not once but twice. Nothing he has to say is worthy of my consideration.

I think that 3 Secretaries of State and the European communties know a lot more detail than conservatives on a local political chat group.

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"If we ignore the past we are doomed to repeat it". However this warning means nothing to progressives because they are too busy re-writing history so that reflects their ideological Utopian view.

The decision to enact ACA was the progressives alone and they own it.

The Iran deal is the progressives alone and they own it.

The construction of our democracy provided for the separation of powers ignored by the Obama Administration. Our nation is a nation of laws not men ignored by the Obama Administration. The nation is deeply divided. the economy has not recovered. Anarchy is replacing the rule of law. The verbal and physical attacks on law enforcement officers is fueled by Obama and Holder. We have lost the respect of the international community and worsen yet our global enemies view us as weak and impotent. The Syrian refugee problem among others is owned by Obama.

The Republican Party is not doing their part in applying congressional remedies to stop Obama's lawlessness, Planned Parenthood's assault on defenseless babies, etc. I especially take aim at Senate majority Leader McConnell and Speaker Boehner...and I am reminded of the old saw "no guts no glory" There are sufficient laws to deal with the immigration problem. what we don't have are political leaders with a spine.

Frankly I am sick of the lot of them because its like we are all going down in a flaming airplane and this political class are at the controls fumbling away like keystone kops

Personal Best Regards:

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I think that 3 Secretaries of State and the European communties know a lot more detail than conservatives on a local political chat group.

Sounds like you are hooked on the kool aid and have confidence that based on avaialble facts is no more that hear say.
The past SS have no idea of the details any more than our current congressional representatives.
It does not matter what the other European conyries think because all they know it is a good deal for the specifically and do not want the nay sayers in America to upset the apple cart, hence all one would heat from yhem is why it should go forward.

The people/congress that are supposed to be for or against it do not know what is in the bill. They are being pressured by Obama deal making. Because they vote for it does not mean they have any undertsnading of what is in the agreement or the consequences. They know they have heard something from Obama and his arm twist team that meets their needs, hence they fall in line to support the agreement......

So please don't insult us by trying to sell the validity based on political deals and nations who only stand to gain by going forward.

Just get on the bus. We will let you know sometime during the trip where we are going and how it costs. The only folks who gain are the people who make the buses.

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[QUOTE=Guest;1109865]Sounds like you are hooked on the kool aid and have confidence that based on avaialble facts is no more that hear say.
The past SS have no idea of the details any more than our current congressional representatives.
It does not matter what the other European conyries think because all they know it is a good deal for the specifically and do not want the nay sayers in America to upset the apple cart, hence all one would heat from yhem is why it should go forward.

The people/congress that are supposed to be for or against it do not know what is in the bill. They are being pressured by Obama deal making. Because they vote for it does not mean they have any undertsnading of what is in the agreement or the consequences. They know they have heard something from Obama and his arm twist team that meets their needs, hence they fall in line to support the agreement......

So please don't insult us by trying to sell the validity based on political deals and nations who only stand to gain by going forward.
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Based on political deals and nations who only stand to gain by going forward?

Going forward is a good thing. It is called the progress of a country. We certainly do not want to regress or go backwards.

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I think that 3 Secretaries of State and the European communties know a lot more detail than conservatives on a local political chat group.

You messed up by using three SS. As far as the European community is concerned, they sold out. They all want something out of the deal, like selling arms and energy to Iran. The other middle Eastern countries lose the most and got sold out. The US gained nothing from the deal. Only an idiot on an acid trip would think this is a good deal. Nope, a bad deal is not better than no deal.

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Listen to the entire Colin Powell interview on Meet The Press. This is a former Secretary of State under a Republican president. This is the man that went to the United Nations, and had to sell bad intelligence concerning the second Iraq War to the world. Unlike Cheney, he isn't still trying to justify the decision to go to war with Iraq.

He goes into detail why it is a good deal based upon the deal. Is your hatred for Obama so deep that nothing will change your mind on anything he does? If it is, you are the problem.

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One current and two former Secretaries of State endorse the Iran nuclear deal. The European Community supports it.

The posters on this chat room are mostly against it. I would sooner believe in the capabilities of professionals in the diplomatic sectors than in the capabilities in this area by former insurance salesmen, construction workers, or mid-management employees.

You guys were experts in your field. This is not your area of expertise.

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"If we ignore the past we are doomed to repeat it". However this warning means nothing to progressives because they are too busy re-writing history so that reflects their ideological Utopian view.

The decision to enact ACA was the progressives alone and they own it.

The Iran deal is the progressives alone and they own it.

The construction of our democracy provided for the separation of powers ignored by the Obama Administration. Our nation is a nation of laws not men ignored by the Obama Administration. The nation is deeply divided. the economy has not recovered. Anarchy is replacing the rule of law. The verbal and physical attacks on law enforcement officers is fueled by Obama and Holder. We have lost the respect of the international community and worsen yet our global enemies view us as weak and impotent. The Syrian refugee problem among others is owned by Obama.

The Republican Party is not doing their part in applying congressional remedies to stop Obama's lawlessness, Planned Parenthood's assault on defenseless babies, etc. I especially take aim at Senate majority Leader McConnell and Speaker Boehner...and I am reminded of the old saw "no guts no glory" There are sufficient laws to deal with the immigration problem. what we don't have are political leaders with a spine.

Frankly I am sick of the lot of them because its like we are all going down in a flaming airplane and this political class are at the controls fumbling away like keystone kops

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If we are going down on a flaming airplane, it is because the Republicans set the plane on fire. Why is the nation deeply divided? Answer, the Tea Party! When you post something like this, don't try to pass yourself of as someone with an open mind, that views all sides before drawing a conclusion. The fact is might look at news outlets other than Fox News, but you only go there to find someone that supports way of thinking. You completely ignore everything, and everyone that doesn't agree with you.

We have lost the respect of the international community. If the Republicans get their way, which they won't, we will be laughing stock on the international community. We will be no better than a baby that cries, when they don't get their way. Do not take my word for it, listen Colin Powell's interview on today's Meet the Press.

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Here's the position of someone who knows more than the usual crowd on this site. (although that really isn't much of an accomplishment) but this person knows a lot more.

Colin Powell: Iran pact a 'pretty good deal' | TheHill (http://thehill.com/policy/international/252860-colin-powell-iran-pact-a-pretty-good-deal)

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One current and two former Secretaries of State endorse the Iran nuclear deal. The European Community supports it.

The posters on this chat room are mostly against it. I would sooner believe in the capabilities of professionals in the diplomatic sectors than in the capabilities in this area by former insurance salesmen, construction workers, or mid-management employees.

You guys were experts in your field. This is not your area of expertise.

Of course you do. That's why you are a liberal that's dependent on the generosity of the government nanny. Some folks believe in "trust but verify". Others believe in "verify" first and then trust. Liberals believe in total submission to the will of the state. Welcome to the USSofA. Stand by and we will be around to issue you a brand new little red book to replace that Bible.

But, all foolin' aside, why do YOU think this is a good deal? Because someone smarter than you told you that you should believe it? Did you check it out a bit to see if you really do like it?

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If we are going down on a flaming airplane, it is because the Republicans set the plane on fire. Why is the nation deeply divided? Answer, the Tea Party! When you post something like this, don't try to pass yourself of as someone with an open mind, that views all sides before drawing a conclusion. The fact is might look at news outlets other than Fox News, but you only go there to find someone that supports way of thinking. You completely ignore everything, and everyone that doesn't agree with you.

We have lost the respect of the international community. If the Republicans get their way, which they won't, we will be laughing stock on the international community. We will be no better than a baby that cries, when they don't get their way. Do not take my word for it, listen Colin Powell's interview on today's Meet the Press.

Mr. Alinsky, I presume? :a20:

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Colin Powell is racially biased. Any former military retiree that could endorse Obama not once, but twice did so because he is black. There is no other reason, considering what Obama has so blatantly done to this country. I did respect the man when I worked for him. Now, I respect his history, but no longer do I respect his opinion.

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Mr. Alinsky, I presume? :a20:

The Village idiot, I presume!

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Colin Powell is racially biased. Any former military retiree that could endorse Obama not once, but twice did so because he is black. There is no other reason, considering what Obama has so blatantly done to this country. I did respect the man when I worked for him. Now, I respect his history, but no longer do I respect his opinion.

Any former military person that opposes everything Obama has done is racially biased. The comment that you made works both ways.

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Any former military person that opposes everything Obama has done is racially biased. The comment that you made works both ways.

If you knew anything about the military, you would realize how ridiculous that comment is. And who said I worked for Powell in the military? Do you really think that the military endorses the anti-American ideology of Obama? Never mind answering, because it would just sound more ridiculous.

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If you knew anything about the military, you would realize how ridiculous that comment is. And who said I worked for Powell in the military? Do you really think that the military endorses the anti-American ideology of Obama? Never mind answering, because it would just sound more ridiculous.

Who said that you said that you worked for Powell in the military? It certainly wasn't me.

No, ridiculous is that statement that Obama has anti-American ideology. That is nothing but nonsense spouted by hate, and it is that simple.

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Who said that you said that you worked for Powell in the military? It certainly wasn't me.

No, ridiculous is that statement that Obama has anti-American ideology. That is nothing but nonsense spouted by hate, and it is that simple.

Ha! The old liberal "hate" accusation again. You really need to find a new term to use. No one believes that anyone "hates" anymore. You use that and everyone knows that you are doing so from a position of weakness.

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Who said that you said that you worked for Powell in the military? It certainly wasn't me.

No, ridiculous is that statement that Obama has anti-American ideology. That is nothing but nonsense spouted by hate, and it is that simple.

You have heard the old expression that actions speak louder than words?
Well Obama's actions drown out the the talking point rhetoric......to a faint whisper (if even that).

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I did NOT use hateful words to describe Obama. I affectionately stated that Obama has an Anti-American, or if you wish UN-American ideology. I did not even accuse Obama of hating America, but he is a racist. And I base that conclusion on evidence of his past five or six years in office. I was going to say that I hate to tarnish your ideal of him, but I can't use "hate" so I will say that I reluctantly wish that I needed tarnish your golden image of the liberal (socialist) messiah.

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Colin Powell is racially biased. Any former military retiree that could endorse Obama not once, but twice did so because he is black. There is no other reason, considering what Obama has so blatantly done to this country. I did respect the man when I worked for him. Now, I respect his history, but no longer do I respect his opinion.

I agree ... he did an excellent job in Desert Storm but as SecState and afterwards, not so much. Plus, he is in the tank for Obie.

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No, ridiculous is that statement that Obama has anti-American ideology. That is nothing but nonsense spouted by hate, and it is that simple.

Actually, Obama does hate America ... as originally founded.

He is a Radical Leftist, except he is well dressed and soft spoken thus not threatening to most people. Pretty obvious after 7 years of wreaking havoc and lawlessness but I'm confident no amount of evidence will ever penetrate your totally welded shut mind on this topic.

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I agree ... he did an excellent job in Desert Storm but as SecState and afterwards, not so much. Plus, he is in the tank for Obie.

Totally agree. Personally, I liked him. But, to see him change so much, or was he hiding it? I am very disappointed in Powell now.

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Actually, Obama does hate America ... as originally founded.

He is a Radical Leftist, except he is well dressed and soft spoken thus not threatening to most people. Pretty obvious after 7 years of wreaking havoc and lawlessness but I'm confident no amount of evidence will ever penetrate your totally welded shut mind on this topic.

Perfect!

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No. Don't need a new term "hate" is the correct term. It might not apply to all of his opposition, but it certainly applies to a great deal of them. Take a damn good look at the pictures in the first tea party rally in Washington. That wasn't brought on by hate!

What has he done that is anti-American? Immigration reform is anti-American. The ACA was anti-American? 99 week unemployment during the height of the recession is anti-American? Extending income tax credits for everyone but the upper class was anti-American?

Who shut down the government? That isn't being anti-American.
Whose watch did the great recession happen under? That isn't being anti-American.
Who is pushing Voter id laws directed against minorities? That isn't being anti-American.

Anti- American! It sounds like he invaded the world of the far right.

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Actually, Obama does hate America ... as originally founded.

He is a Radical Leftist, except he is well dressed and soft spoken thus not threatening to most people. Pretty obvious after 7 years of wreaking havoc and lawlessness but I'm confident no amount of evidence will ever penetrate your totally welded shut mind on this topic.

As founded! The American that only male property owners could vote. Slavery was a way of life. That America!

Provide the evidence of wreaking havoc, and lawlessness. No amount of evidence. I haven't seen any being provided. You won't provide any, because you know that your evidence will be thrown right back in your face.

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No. Don't need a new term "hate" is the correct term. It might not apply to all of his opposition, but it certainly applies to a great deal of them. Take a damn good look at the pictures in the first tea party rally in Washington. That wasn't brought on by hate!

What has he done that is anti-American? Immigration reform is anti-American. The ACA was anti-American? 99 week unemployment during the height of the recession is anti-American? Extending income tax credits for everyone but the upper class was anti-American?

Who shut down the government? That isn't being anti-American.
Whose watch did the great recession happen under? That isn't being anti-American.
Who is pushing Voter id laws directed against minorities? That isn't being anti-American.

Anti- American! It sounds like he invaded the world of the far right.

Brainwashed.
Yes, ACA was anti-American, but that is my opinion. It's the left's attempt to socialize medicine, European style. We'll see if they succeed.
Wealth discrimination is anti-American. It discriminates, therefore anti-American.
The "great recession" turned out to be great, because Obama ineptly mishandled recovery and the economy recovered on it's own at a slower pace. Much slower. And don't forget that it was the Dem congress that was instrumental in the mortgage crisis. Bush was blocked every time he requested an audit of Fanny and Freddy. So if you weren't so lazy, you could do some research to see that just because Obie said it was Bush's fault doesn't necessarily mean it was.
The gov being shut down is not a new thing. It's happened before. How many years did the Democrat majority run administration NOT have a budget? Record length of time.
Voter ID does NOT target the minorities, unless they are guilty of voter fraud. It may target the illegals that might try to vote, and they are a minority. Voter ID is constitutional. You are required by law to be a U.S. citizen. Therefore, to prove you are a citizen, you should be required to provide proof. The honor system is hardly credible. And I would love to see you provide me proof that there are still folks out there that vote that don't have a form of ID. That is just liberal's speaking in fear of losing some votes.
Obama anti-American? Yes, please tell when you have ever seen another president that has sued a state when they were upholding the immigration laws. Show me another president that immediately took the side of criminals because they were black, when a police officer was required to use force when doing his duty. Show me another president that disobeyed a supreme court decision that told him that his ban on gulf drilling was illegal? Do I really need to go on. You have heard it all before. I can google for you if you really are interested in an answer. But, something tells me that you are not interested in an answer.

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As founded! The American that only male property owners could vote. Slavery was a way of life. That America!

Provide the evidence of wreaking havoc, and lawlessness. No amount of evidence. I haven't seen any being provided. You won't provide any, because you know that your evidence will be thrown right back in your face.

All you have provided is denial. Like the petulant child in our White House.

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A bad deal is NOT better than NO deal. Too bad that liberals only see black on all issues that require some form of action or decision, when the option does not have to be just black or white, but could also include several shades of gray. To liberals, the ONLY alternative is the lie that the left keeps trying to convince us, that if not THAT deal, then war. Not even close to the truth. You don't have to have to have a degree in foreign policy to understand this. On the other hand, we are dealing with way too many liberals, that do not understand the terms compromise, negotiate or investigate.

Not sure of the logic here. You say this is a Bad Deal and liberals do not understand compromise, negotiations or investigations. Seems they spent many months doing just that--are you sure who does not understand what it means to "negotiate" a complicated deal like this??? In negotiations, typically neither side gets everything they want.

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Not sure of the logic here. You say this is a Bad Deal and liberals do not understand compromise, negotiations or investigations. Seems they spent many months doing just that--are you sure who does not understand what it means to "negotiate" a complicated deal like this??? In negotiations, typically neither side gets everything they want.

I agree. Unfortunately, the only American that got anything out of this "deal" is Obama, and maybe Kerry. America lost on this deal, so I consider it to be a failed negotiation.

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Iran already has 5 nuclear bombs.

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Anybody who thinks Obama cares about anything other than being able to say he did the deal no other president could get done.

He is like the guy who owns a restaurant and claims there is nothing wrong with the chicken...they have been government inspected.

And like the Obama deal (and all it is is a deal...not a negotiation) the reality is in pursuing the details.
Like the restaurant owner who did not reveal....the chickens were indeed government inspected........they failed and were rejected.

The Obama Iran Deal is the same. And keeping the deal either sevret or none of our business makes sure the details will not be known........
hence Obama promotes his personal agenda with a BS snow job......AGAIN!

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Anybody who thinks Obama cares about anything other than being able to say he did the deal no other president could get done.

He is like the guy who owns a restaurant and claims there is nothing wrong with the chicken...they have been government inspected.

And like the Obama deal (and all it is is a deal...not a negotiation) the reality is in pursuing the details.
Like the restaurant owner who did not reveal....the chickens were indeed government inspected........they failed and were rejected.

The Obama Iran Deal is the same. And keeping the deal either sevret or none of our business makes sure the details will not be known........
hence Obama promotes his personal agenda with a BS snow job......AGAIN!

Yep, the so-called Obama transparency administration. As transparent as a mirror, and with Obama it is all smoke and mirrors.

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As founded! The American that only male property owners could vote. Slavery was a way of life. That America!



The irony is, except for those male property owners who founded America (not unusual by the way for the 18th century), you'd probably be an ignorant serf working on a landed estate somewhere.

You really should learn to appreciate what you were LUCKY enough to have been born into ... how ungrateful

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We have too many liberals? The majority of voters elected Pres. Obama. Majority rules!

Liberals do not know compromise? Horse hockey! Don't forget that the Republicans have tried to deny just about all of the ideas of the President and the nickname for Republicans is "G'Noper".

No, the majority of voters did not elect him, a slight majority (2.2% more than Romney) elected him of those eligible to vote. Unfortunately, of the 229, 700,000 people in the US eligible to vote in the last Presidential election, sadly only 126.853,000 actually voted (all Census Bureau numbers), thus it was 28.7% of those eligible to vote that elected him as compared to 26.5% for Romney. But then, the popular vote does not technically matter anyway as the Electoral College vote is what the election is decided by.

As to compromise, when was the last time that Obama compromised on anything? I may be wrong, it has happened before, but I cannot seriously remember any issue where he compromised at all, at least not to any extent that made the news??

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God bless our kids. Obama has just put their lives at risk. America very vulnerable

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Brainwashed.
Yes, ACA was anti-American, but that is my opinion. It's the left's attempt to socialize medicine, European style. We'll see if they succeed.
Wealth discrimination is anti-American. It discriminates, therefore anti-American.
The "great recession" turned out to be great, because Obama ineptly mishandled recovery and the economy recovered on it's own at a slower pace. Much slower. And don't forget that it was the Dem congress that was instrumental in the mortgage crisis. Bush was blocked every time he requested an audit of Fanny and Freddy. So if you weren't so lazy, you could do some research to see that just because Obie said it was Bush's fault doesn't necessarily mean it was.
The gov being shut down is not a new thing. It's happened before. How many years did the Democrat majority run administration NOT have a budget? Record length of time.
Voter ID does NOT target the minorities, unless they are guilty of voter fraud. It may target the illegals that might try to vote, and they are a minority. Voter ID is constitutional. You are required by law to be a U.S. citizen. Therefore, to prove you are a citizen, you should be required to provide proof. The honor system is hardly credible. And I would love to see you provide me proof that there are still folks out there that vote that don't have a form of ID. That is just liberal's speaking in fear of losing some votes.
Obama anti-American? Yes, please tell when you have ever seen another president that has sued a state when they were upholding the immigration laws. Show me another president that immediately took the side of criminals because they were black, when a police officer was required to use force when doing his duty. Show me another president that disobeyed a supreme court decision that told him that his ban on gulf drilling was illegal? Do I really need to go on. You have heard it all before. I can google for you if you really are interested in an answer. But, something tells me that you are not interested in an answer.

This is this history of the Affordable Care Act. The left attempt to socialize medicine. All the main parts are Republican ideas. This is from Wikipedia.
Background

Main articles: Health care reform in the United States and Health care reform debate in the United States

The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act consists of a combination of measures to control healthcare costs, and an expansion of coverage through public and private insurance: broader Medicaid eligibility and Medicare coverage, and subsidized, regulated private insurance. An individual mandate coupled with subsidies for private insurance as a means for universal healthcare was considered the best way to win the support of the Senate because it had been included in prior bipartisan reform proposals. The concept goes back to at least 1989, when the conservative Heritage Foundation proposed an individual mandate as an alternative to single-payer health care.[57] It was championed for a time by conservative economists and Republican senators as a market-based approach to healthcare reform on the basis of individual responsibility and avoidance of free rider problems. Specifically, because the 1986 Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA) requires any hospital participating in Medicare (which nearly all do) to provide emergency care to anyone who needs it, the government often indirectly bore the cost of those without the ability to pay.[58][59][60]

When President Bill Clinton proposed a healthcare reform bill in 1993 that included a mandate for employers to provide health insurance to all employees through a regulated marketplace of health maintenance organizations, Republican Senators proposed an alternative that would have required individuals, but not employers, to buy insurance.[59] Ultimately the Clinton plan failed amid an unprecedented barrage of negative advertising funded by politically conservative groups and the health insurance industry and due to concerns that it was overly complex.[61] After failing to obtain a comprehensive reform of the healthcare system, Clinton negotiated a compromise with the 105th Congress to instead enact the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) in 1997.[62]





John Chafee
The 1993 Republican alternative, introduced by Senator John Chafee as the Health Equity and Access Reform Today Act, contained a "universal coverage" requirement with a penalty for noncompliance—an individual mandate—as well as subsidies to be used in state-based 'purchasing groups'.[63] Advocates for the 1993 bill included prominent Republicans who today oppose a mandate, such as Senators Orrin Hatch, Chuck Grassley, Bob Bennett, and Kit Bond.[64][65] Of the 43 Republicans Senators from 1993, 20 supported the HEART Act.[57][66] Another Republican proposal, introduced in 1994 by Senator Don Nickles (R-OK), the Consumer Choice Health Security Act, contained an individual mandate with a penalty provision;[67] however, Nickles subsequently removed the mandate from the bill, stating he had decided "that government should not compel people to buy health insurance".[68] At the time of these proposals, Republicans did not raise constitutional issues with the mandate; Mark Pauly, who helped develop a proposal that included an individual mandate for George H.W. Bush, remarked, "I don’t remember that being raised at all. The way it was viewed by the Congressional Budget Office in 1994 was, effectively, as a tax."[57]





Mitt Romney's Massachusetts went from 90% of its residents insured to 98%, the highest rate in the nation.[69]
In 2006, an insurance expansion bill was enacted at the state level in Massachusetts. The bill contained both an individual health insurance mandate and an insurance exchange. Republican Governor Mitt Romney vetoed the mandate, but after Democrats overrode his veto, he signed it into law.[70] Romney's implementation of the 'Health Connector' exchange and individual mandate in Massachusetts was at first lauded by Republicans. During Romney's 2008 presidential campaign, Senator Jim DeMint praised Romney's ability to "take some good conservative ideas, like private health insurance, and apply them to the need to have everyone insured." Romney said of the individual mandate: "I'm proud of what we've done. If Massachusetts succeeds in implementing it, then that will be the model for the nation."[71]

In 2007, a year after the Massachusetts reform, Republican Senator Bob Bennett and Democratic Senator Ron Wyden introduced the Healthy Americans Act, which also featured an individual mandate and state-based regulated insurance markets called "State Health Help Agencies".[60][71] The bill initially attracted bipartisan support but died in committee. Many of the sponsors and co-sponsors remained in Congress during the 2008 healthcare debate.[72]

By 2008 many Democrats were considering using this approach as the basis for healthcare reform. Experts have said that the legislation that eventually emerged from Congress in 2009 and 2010 bears many similarities to the 2007 bill[63] and that it was deliberately patterned after Romney's state healthcare plan.[73] Jonathan Gruber, a professor of economics at MIT and an architect of Massachusetts' health care reform who advised the Clinton and Obama presidential campaigns on healthcare issues, served as a technical consultant to the Obama administration, and helped draft the ACA

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Let the Regressives yap and yap as much as they want. Just like the title of the thread says - The Iran Nuclear Deal is Done - and it is another WIN for the Obama Administration.:BigApplause:

The Affordable Care Act is another WIN for the Obama Administration and for the USA. Let the Regressives yap even more. Who cares what they say? They lost again!:BigApplause:

Same Sex Marriage is another WIN for the Obama Administration and for equality of all Americans. Let the Regressives yap even louder. Who cares what they say? They lost again.:BigApplause:

Go Democrats! :BigApplause:

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Brainwashed.
Yes, ACA was anti-American, but that is my opinion. It's the left's attempt to socialize medicine, European style. We'll see if they succeed.
Wealth discrimination is anti-American. It discriminates, therefore anti-American.
The "great recession" turned out to be great, because Obama ineptly mishandled recovery and the economy recovered on it's own at a slower pace. Much slower. And don't forget that it was the Dem congress that was instrumental in the mortgage crisis. Bush was blocked every time he requested an audit of Fanny and Freddy. So if you weren't so lazy, you could do some research to see that just because Obie said it was Bush's fault doesn't necessarily mean it was.
The gov being shut down is not a new thing. It's happened before. How many years did the Democrat majority run administration NOT have a budget? Record length of time.
Voter ID does NOT target the minorities, unless they are guilty of voter fraud. It may target the illegals that might try to vote, and they are a minority. Voter ID is constitutional. You are required by law to be a U.S. citizen. Therefore, to prove you are a citizen, you should be required to provide proof. The honor system is hardly credible. And I would love to see you provide me proof that there are still folks out there that vote that don't have a form of ID. That is just liberal's speaking in fear of losing some votes.
Obama anti-American? Yes, please tell when you have ever seen another president that has sued a state when they were upholding the immigration laws. Show me another president that immediately took the side of criminals because they were black, when a police officer was required to use force when doing his duty. Show me another president that disobeyed a supreme court decision that told him that his ban on gulf drilling was illegal? Do I really need to go on. You have heard it all before. I can google for you if you really are interested in an answer. But, something tells me that you are not interested in an answer.


Research on the causes of the Great Recession. You can start here.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_the_Great_Recession

Freddy and Fannie are hardly mentioned. When B. Frank, and C. Dodd proposed legislation to stop the abuse, the Republicans fought it.

Concerning voter ID laws, it doesn't target minorities. You have to provide a form of id. Plenty of items that were acceptable before are not now. The voter id laws in Republican states are asking for a limited number of acceptable ids. A gun permit is acceptable, but a student picture id isn't. You provided valid id, when you registered to vote. Now answer this question, how do you explain the Republican speaker of the Penn. House comment, after Penn. voter id law was passed, "We just gave Penn. to Romney." I have the question five times before, and no one has answered it.

Government shut down isn't new. The Republicans want to shut down the government, if they don't get their own way. They are acting like little children. I going to take my ball, and go home. When has this tactic worked for them in the past seven years. The sequester. Who the hell is yelling the loudest about how the sequester has affected the military?

Obama took the side of the black criminal. You talking about Ferguson. That one was an either/or situation. There was nothing there that could be proven either way. What about the 13 year old shot in Cleveland? The black that got his back snapped in Baltimore. The black that got shot in the back for a traffic violation. The black that got strangled to death in NYC. The police have been murdered by blacks. I haven't seen or heard Obama coming to the defense of the black murderers. Killing a policeman should be punishable by death in every state no matter what their view of capital punishment is.

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Research on the causes of the Great Recession. You can start here.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_the_Great_Recession

Freddy and Fannie are hardly mentioned. When B. Frank, and C. Dodd proposed legislation to stop the abuse, the Republicans fought it.

Concerning voter ID laws, it doesn't target minorities. You have to provide a form of id. Plenty of items that were acceptable before are not now. The voter id laws in Republican states are asking for a limited number of acceptable ids. A gun permit is acceptable, but a student picture id isn't. You provided valid id, when you registered to vote. Now answer this question, how do you explain the Republican speaker of the Penn. House comment, after Penn. voter id law was passed, "We just gave Penn. to Romney." I have the question five times before, and no one has answered it.

Government shut down isn't new. The Republicans want to shut down the government, if they don't get their own way. They are acting like little children. I going to take my ball, and go home. When has this tactic worked for them in the past seven years. The sequester. Who the hell is yelling the loudest about how the sequester has affected the military?

Obama took the side of the black criminal. You talking about Ferguson. That one was an either/or situation. There was nothing there that could be proven either way. What about the 13 year old shot in Cleveland? The black that got his back snapped in Baltimore. The black that got shot in the back for a traffic violation. The black that got strangled to death in NYC. The police have been murdered by blacks. I haven't seen or heard Obama coming to the defense of the black murderers. Killing a policeman should be punishable by death in every state no matter what their view of capital punishment is.

Wow, talking about rewriting history, you take the cake. Bush attempted to get fanny and freddy audited on more than three different times. Barney Frank refused to allow it. Period.
But, go ahead and divert to protect your messiah. Make up all the BS you want. Only you are fooled. No one else but you liberals that refuse to open your eyes.
As far as him defending criminals. That's history and if you don't know, then you are not very well versed on current or past events. How about that boy thug that he said could have been his son? That's just one.
You haven't heard of him defending black murderers? You have to be kidding. He always blames the cops for every incident. He always says they handled the situation wrong and that those protesters have a good reason to protest.

You know, I can address every falsehood you throw out there but I tired of teaching you. Use your brain and do some research. Look at both sides and then use some common sense and determine which is fact and which is false.

The Iran deal is bad and no deal would have been better. We had it better before they bumbled the whole thing. And if you were to read about it and see who got the benefits of it, you would understand how screwed up it is.

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And please don't give me that cr@P about the minority being hosed over by an ID law. You are lying and can't prove anything you say about it. You can't even produce one person that doesn't have an ID. You are just parroting liberal talking points that can't be substantiated.

[Guest]

This is this history of the Affordable Care Act. The left attempt to socialize medicine. All the main parts are Republican ideas. This is from Wikipedia.
Background

Main articles: Health care reform in the United States and Health care reform debate in the United States

The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act consists of a combination of measures to control healthcare costs, and an expansion of coverage through public and private insurance: broader Medicaid eligibility and Medicare coverage, and subsidized, regulated private insurance. An individual mandate coupled with subsidies for private insurance as a means for universal healthcare was considered the best way to win the support of the Senate because it had been included in prior bipartisan reform proposals. The concept goes back to at least 1989, when the conservative Heritage Foundation proposed an individual mandate as an alternative to single-payer health care.[57] It was championed for a time by conservative economists and Republican senators as a market-based approach to healthcare reform on the basis of individual responsibility and avoidance of free rider problems. Specifically, because the 1986 Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA) requires any hospital participating in Medicare (which nearly all do) to provide emergency care to anyone who needs it, the government often indirectly bore the cost of those without the ability to pay.[58][59][60]

When President Bill Clinton proposed a healthcare reform bill in 1993 that included a mandate for employers to provide health insurance to all employees through a regulated marketplace of health maintenance organizations, Republican Senators proposed an alternative that would have required individuals, but not employers, to buy insurance.[59] Ultimately the Clinton plan failed amid an unprecedented barrage of negative advertising funded by politically conservative groups and the health insurance industry and due to concerns that it was overly complex.[61] After failing to obtain a comprehensive reform of the healthcare system, Clinton negotiated a compromise with the 105th Congress to instead enact the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) in 1997.[62]





John Chafee
The 1993 Republican alternative, introduced by Senator John Chafee as the Health Equity and Access Reform Today Act, contained a "universal coverage" requirement with a penalty for noncompliance—an individual mandate—as well as subsidies to be used in state-based 'purchasing groups'.[63] Advocates for the 1993 bill included prominent Republicans who today oppose a mandate, such as Senators Orrin Hatch, Chuck Grassley, Bob Bennett, and Kit Bond.[64][65] Of the 43 Republicans Senators from 1993, 20 supported the HEART Act.[57][66] Another Republican proposal, introduced in 1994 by Senator Don Nickles (R-OK), the Consumer Choice Health Security Act, contained an individual mandate with a penalty provision;[67] however, Nickles subsequently removed the mandate from the bill, stating he had decided "that government should not compel people to buy health insurance".[68] At the time of these proposals, Republicans did not raise constitutional issues with the mandate; Mark Pauly, who helped develop a proposal that included an individual mandate for George H.W. Bush, remarked, "I don’t remember that being raised at all. The way it was viewed by the Congressional Budget Office in 1994 was, effectively, as a tax."[57]





Mitt Romney's Massachusetts went from 90% of its residents insured to 98%, the highest rate in the nation.[69]
In 2006, an insurance expansion bill was enacted at the state level in Massachusetts. The bill contained both an individual health insurance mandate and an insurance exchange. Republican Governor Mitt Romney vetoed the mandate, but after Democrats overrode his veto, he signed it into law.[70] Romney's implementation of the 'Health Connector' exchange and individual mandate in Massachusetts was at first lauded by Republicans. During Romney's 2008 presidential campaign, Senator Jim DeMint praised Romney's ability to "take some good conservative ideas, like private health insurance, and apply them to the need to have everyone insured." Romney said of the individual mandate: "I'm proud of what we've done. If Massachusetts succeeds in implementing it, then that will be the model for the nation."[71]

In 2007, a year after the Massachusetts reform, Republican Senator Bob Bennett and Democratic Senator Ron Wyden introduced the Healthy Americans Act, which also featured an individual mandate and state-based regulated insurance markets called "State Health Help Agencies".[60][71] The bill initially attracted bipartisan support but died in committee. Many of the sponsors and co-sponsors remained in Congress during the 2008 healthcare debate.[72]

By 2008 many Democrats were considering using this approach as the basis for healthcare reform. Experts have said that the legislation that eventually emerged from Congress in 2009 and 2010 bears many similarities to the 2007 bill[63] and that it was deliberately patterned after Romney's state healthcare plan.[73] Jonathan Gruber, a professor of economics at MIT and an architect of Massachusetts' health care reform who advised the Clinton and Obama presidential campaigns on healthcare issues, served as a technical consultant to the Obama administration, and helped draft the ACA

At least you said it was from Wikipedia. An actual link would have been better.

That said, because Wiki can be edited by anyone at anytime, it is a poor source.

Anyone vetted in political forums should be aware of this.

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And please don't give me that cr@P about the minority being hosed over by an ID law. You are lying and can't prove anything you say about it. You can't even produce one person that doesn't have an ID. You are just parroting liberal talking points that can't be substantiated.

The Republican Speaker of the house in Penn. said after the they passed voter id laws, "We just gave Penn to Romney". A judge stopped enforcement the voter id law. It was aimed directly at Penn. inner city minorities. That was obvious to anyone that was looking. I'm lying. I am parroting liberal talking points. You don't have a damn idea what you are talking about.

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Wow, talking about rewriting history, you take the cake. Bush attempted to get fanny and freddy audited on more than three different times. Barney Frank refused to allow it. Period.
But, go ahead and divert to protect your messiah. Make up all the BS you want. Only you are fooled. No one else but you liberals that refuse to open your eyes.
As far as him defending criminals. That's history and if you don't know, then you are not very well versed on current or past events. How about that boy thug that he said could have been his son? That's just one.
You haven't heard of him defending black murderers? You have to be kidding. He always blames the cops for every incident. He always says they handled the situation wrong and that those protesters have a good reason to protest.

You know, I can address every falsehood you throw out there but I tired of teaching you. Use your brain and do some research. Look at both sides and then use some common sense and determine which is fact and which is false.

The Iran deal is bad and no deal would have been better. We had it better before they bumbled the whole thing. And if you were to read about it and see who got the benefits of it, you would understand how screwed up it is.

You are totally beyond hope. You read the facts that led up to the Great Recession, and you are sticking to the total nonsense that it was Barney Franks fault for not letting "W" audit Freddy and Fannie. That is so ridiculous that I don't even know how to respond to that. Do you even know what Freddy and Fannie are, and what function they perform?

You keep on talking about research, but there is no evidence at all that you research anything. The only thing that you have taught me is not to believe a damn word that you say.

Did you see the Colin Powell interview on Meet The Press? Of course not, why would you! It is completely opposite of everything that Fox News, and Republican party are drilling into your head. But facts be damn.

[Guest]

This is certainly interesting.....

"DUBAI (Reuters) - Iran has discovered an unexpectedly high reserve of uranium and will soon begin extracting the radioactive element at a new mine, the head of Iran's Atomic Energy Organisation said on Saturday.

The comments cast doubt on previous assessments from some Western analysts who said the country had a low supply and would sooner or later would need to import uranium, the raw material needed for its nuclear program."


Iran says finds unexpectedly high uranium reserve - Yahoo News (http://news.yahoo.com/iran-says-finds-unexpectedly-high-uranium-104622948.html)

Firm deal..we are all over this !

[Guest]

This is certainly interesting.....

"DUBAI (Reuters) - Iran has discovered an unexpectedly high reserve of uranium and will soon begin extracting the radioactive element at a new mine, the head of Iran's Atomic Energy Organisation said on Saturday.

The comments cast doubt on previous assessments from some Western analysts who said the country had a low supply and would sooner or later would need to import uranium, the raw material needed for its nuclear program."


Iran says finds unexpectedly high uranium reserve - Yahoo News (http://news.yahoo.com/iran-says-finds-unexpectedly-high-uranium-104622948.html)

Firm deal..we are all over this !

Not to worry I am sure ol' hinge heels, Barry and Kerry got it covered in the agreement.:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Guest]

Giving Iran back their money and releasing them from sanctions is the worst thing the deal did. Now they are already negotiating purchases of missile systems from Russia and France.

[Guest]

Very bad deal for America and the world. We are vulnerable to more attacks and leaving our kids a very dangerous world. All Americans should be outraged but they are to busy living in their make believe world of co-existing

[Guest]

They don't need missiles-they ate going to buy 80-90 new air planes from Boeing & Airbus, imagine an Iranian airplane over and American city with a nuke on board--would make 9/11 look like childs play

[Guest]

How about we paint a big bulls eye on the left coast, to be more "helpful"? At the same time, we can take in a few thousand Muslim refugees and plant them in the same area. They should fit right in with the liberals of the left coast.

[Guest]

Florida will be taking in some of the Muslim refugees. Some will be moving very close to The Villages. Have you seen the Islam Worship Center on Hw 27 by Clermont - about 30 miles from The Villages? There is a sizable Muslim population in the immediate area.

[Guest]

They don't need missiles-they ate going to buy 80-90 new air planes from Boeing & Airbus, imagine an Iranian airplane over and American city with a nuke on board--would make 9/11 look like childs play

Once that happens, I'm sure the Dummycrats will protest or perform some other worthless spineless act, then blame anyone but themselves.

Unfortunately, it will take an act or war or terrorist catastrophe like this to get people shaken back to reality. At that point, real Americans (primarily Republican, Libertarian and conservative Democrats) will clean house and get it done.

[Guest]

Florida will be taking in some of the Muslim refugees. Some will be moving very close to The Villages. Have you seen the Islam Worship Center on Hw 27 by Clermont - about 30 miles from The Villages? There is a sizable Muslim population in the immediate area.

Smart@## is back !!!

[Guest]

Florida will be taking in some of the Muslim refugees. Some will be moving very close to The Villages. Have you seen the Islam Worship Center on Hw 27 by Clermont - about 30 miles from The Villages? There is a sizable Muslim population in the immediate area.

You're confused, as usal ...

The Muslim refugees (primarily males of military age) you're referring to will be moved into your spare bedroom and garage, as well as the Bacall Rec Center close to your house.

I also hear they will all get Villages IDs ... that's very heartwarming too don't you think?

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You're confused, as usal ...

The Muslim refugees (primarily males of military age) you're referring to will be moved into your spare bedroom and garage, as well as the Bacall Rec Center close to your house.

I also hear they will all get Villages IDs ... that's very heartwarming too don't you think?

My house is close to Bacall? I do like the course - from the back tees, of course.

Hopefully, we can get the refugees to do the golf course ambassador jobs and take the jobs as starters.

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There seems to be some doubt that there is a sizable population of Muslims in the nearby area by The Villages. Quite a few in Wildwood as well as Clermont and in parts of Orlando. It is very likely that some refugees will be coming to this part of Florida.

[Guest]

I'm sure that if there was any threat of Muslim refugees moving into the area, our local illegals would put their collective foot down. After all, they have their rights and no one is going to threaten their jobs. This is the American Way.

[Guest]

I'm sure that if there was any threat of Muslim refugees moving into the area, our local illegals would put their collective foot down. After all, they have their rights and no one is going to threaten their jobs. This is the American Way.

Good point ... no horning in on the gravy train

[Guest]

Just to keep everyone up to date on this "peace seeking" deal....

"(CNN)Iran has successfully test-fired a new precision-guided, long-range missile, state-run media reported on Sunday.

The Emad (Pillar) surface-to-surface missile, designed and built by Iranian experts, is the country's first long-range missile that can be precision-guided until it reaches its target, said Brig. Gen. Hossein Dehqan, Iran's defense minister.

"To follow our defense programs, we don't ask permission from anyone," he said, according to state-run news agency IRNA.

Iran test-fires new generation long-range missile - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/11/middleeast/iran-ballistic-missile-test/)

"The missile launch may have violated the terms of the agreement, reached in Vienna with six world powers. According to some readings of the deal, it placed restrictions on Iran’s ambitious missile program."

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/12/world/middleeast/iran-tests-long-range-missile-possibly-violating-nuclear-accord.html?_r=0

[Guest]

Just to keep everyone up to date on this "peace seeking" deal....

"(CNN)Iran has successfully test-fired a new precision-guided, long-range missile, state-run media reported on Sunday.

The Emad (Pillar) surface-to-surface missile, designed and built by Iranian experts, is the country's first long-range missile that can be precision-guided until it reaches its target, said Brig. Gen. Hossein Dehqan, Iran's defense minister.

"To follow our defense programs, we don't ask permission from anyone," he said, according to state-run news agency IRNA.

Iran test-fires new generation long-range missile - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/11/middleeast/iran-ballistic-missile-test/)

"The missile launch may have violated the terms of the agreement, reached in Vienna with six world powers. According to some readings of the deal, it placed restrictions on Iran’s ambitious missile program."

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/12/world/middleeast/iran-tests-long-range-missile-possibly-violating-nuclear-accord.html?_r=0

The only two people who will follow the laughable agreement are Kerry and Barry.

Ans Barry will give the Iranians a mulligan on the violations........per hole that is!

World wide laughing stock is what we have become. FEARED BY NO ONE!!

[Guest]

So, what happens now ??

"The United States has confirmed that Iran tested a medium-range missile capable of delivering a nuclear weapon, in "clear violation" of a United Nations Security Council ban on ballistic missile tests, a senior U.S. official said on Friday.

"The United States is deeply concerned about Iran's recent ballistic missile launch," the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, Samantha Power, said in a statement.

"After reviewing the available information, we can confirm that Iran launched on Oct. 10 a medium-range ballistic missile inherently capable of delivering a nuclear weapon," she said. "This was a clear violation of U.N. Security Council Resolution 1929."

U.S. confirms Iran tested nuclear-capable ballistic missile | Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/16/us-iran-missiles-usa-idUSKCN0SA20Z20151016)

I might add that this story is difficult to find in the US media and for the life of me, I cannot understand that at all.

Does Obama, Clinton, Trump etal really just expect that our words of "concern" will keep the lid on all of this stuff ?

[Guest]

So, what happens now ??

"The United States has confirmed that Iran tested a medium-range missile capable of delivering a nuclear weapon, in "clear violation" of a United Nations Security Council ban on ballistic missile tests, a senior U.S. official said on Friday.

"The United States is deeply concerned about Iran's recent ballistic missile launch," the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, Samantha Power, said in a statement.

"After reviewing the available information, we can confirm that Iran launched on Oct. 10 a medium-range ballistic missile inherently capable of delivering a nuclear weapon," she said. "This was a clear violation of U.N. Security Council Resolution 1929."

U.S. confirms Iran tested nuclear-capable ballistic missile | Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/16/us-iran-missiles-usa-idUSKCN0SA20Z20151016)

I might add that this story is difficult to find in the US media and for the life of me, I cannot understand that at all.

Does Obama, Clinton, Trump etal really just expect that our words of "concern" will keep the lid on all of this stuff ?

Obama will give yet another speech and draw a pink line.

[Guest]

It appears not many people care, however it continues....

"At first glance it looks like the set of a James Bond movie -- a seemingly impregnable mountain base packed full of uniformed men and sinister-looking missiles on their launch vehicles parked along a long tunnel buried deep underground.

But this is in fact a real-life missile facility in Iran, according to the country's semi-official FARS news agency."

"Iran is completely overhauling its missile technology, replacing the current stockpile with newer weapons, a senior general told state media.

"As of next year, a new and advanced generation of long-range liquid and solid fuel missiles will replace the current products," said Brigadier General Amir Ali Hajizadeh.

"The missiles in various ranges are mounted on the launchers in all bases and (are) ready to be launched."

Iran airs images of underground missile facilities - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/14/middleeast/iran-missile-facilities/index.html)

The pictures in this link are impressive to say the least, but no big deal, right ?

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We should just nuke Iran and be done with it. Liberals would be happy because they wouldn't have to get their hands dirty in the trenches. Eventually, we will have to bomb them. Might as well do it now.

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I realize most on this forum prefer to talk about people and simply gossip.

I apologize for the boring posts, but thought folks should know this.....

"The nuclear deal between world powers and Iran comes into effect Sunday, beginning a series of steps to be undertaken by both parties to curb Iran's nuclear activities in return for lifting economic sanctions.

The accord was reached in July following two years of negotiations between Iran and the United States, Britain, France, Russia, China and Germany.

Sunday marks 90 days since the United Nations Security Council approved the agreement. "So adoption day is a calendar-driven event and it’s the day at which all the parties begin to take the steps they need to make sure they take to get to implementation day," said State Department spokesman John Kirby. "And we’re not at implementation day; that’s a whole different purpose."

No date is set for implementation day.

"Under the deal, Iran must submit formal answers to questions from the United Nations nuclear watchdog agency about suspected past nuclear weapons research. President Obama must issue waivers to suspend nuclear-related U.S. sanctions on Iran, and the European Union must begin the process of terminating its sanctions on Iran."

Nuke deal between Iran and world powers takes effect (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/10/18/iran-nuclear-deal-takes-effect/74169530/)

"The U.N. Security Council passed a resolution codifying the nuclear agreement on July 20. Last Sunday, Iran announced it test fired a long-range precision-guided ballistic missile even though such tests appear to be banned under the Security Council resolution.

Speaking Friday, President Obama said the firing of the missile would not derail the nuclear agreement."

[Guest]

I realize most on this forum prefer to talk about people and simply gossip.

I apologize for the boring posts, but thought folks should know this.....

"The nuclear deal between world powers and Iran comes into effect Sunday, beginning a series of steps to be undertaken by both parties to curb Iran's nuclear activities in return for lifting economic sanctions.

The accord was reached in July following two years of negotiations between Iran and the United States, Britain, France, Russia, China and Germany.

Sunday marks 90 days since the United Nations Security Council approved the agreement. "So adoption day is a calendar-driven event and it’s the day at which all the parties begin to take the steps they need to make sure they take to get to implementation day," said State Department spokesman John Kirby. "And we’re not at implementation day; that’s a whole different purpose."

No date is set for implementation day.

"Under the deal, Iran must submit formal answers to questions from the United Nations nuclear watchdog agency about suspected past nuclear weapons research. President Obama must issue waivers to suspend nuclear-related U.S. sanctions on Iran, and the European Union must begin the process of terminating its sanctions on Iran."

Nuke deal between Iran and world powers takes effect (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/10/18/iran-nuclear-deal-takes-effect/74169530/)

"The U.N. Security Council passed a resolution codifying the nuclear agreement on July 20. Last Sunday, Iran announced it test fired a long-range precision-guided ballistic missile even though such tests appear to be banned under the Security Council resolution.

Speaking Friday, President Obama said the firing of the missile would not derail the nuclear agreement."


Obama, the father of selective enforcement of any law, rule, regulation or agreement for personal or political gain!!

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EVERY SINGLE AMERICAN SHOULD BE UPSET AT THIS.


IT IS COVERED MUCH LESS, IF AT ALL , THAN THE CONDITION OF LAMARR ODOM.

"Sen. Robert Menendez (D-N.J.), stalwart critic of the Iran deal, deserves to say “I told you so.” He had suggested that sanctions would be lifted even without revealing the possible military dimensions of Iran’s program, that the inspection process (including self-selected samples) was nonsensical and that we would embolden Iran in the region to, among other things, further boost characters like Bashar al-Assad. Right on all counts.

On Monday he wrote to Secretary of State John Kerry:

"The recent test launch of a precision-guided, long-range ballistic missile by Iran was a violation of United Nations Security Council Resolution (UNSCR) 1929, and I appreciate public statements from both the White House and the Department of State memorializing this fact. As we discussed during your July 23 appearance before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee (SFRC), UNSCR 1929 stipulates that Iran cannot presently engage in activities related to ballistic missiles.

But, with the October 11 launch, Iran has done so – on several levels – whether it is through research, development, planning, concealing or launching this reportedly new technology. And as some of my colleagues on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee have pointed out in separate correspondence to you, Iran’s violations of UNSCR 1929 have become common. The Iranian regime is drawing a line in the sand that demonstrates with malice that it will only selectively meet its obligations with respect to internationally sanctioned weapons programs. What meaningful steps will the Administration take to respond to the latest Iranian provocations?"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2015/10/20/menendez-is-right-again-on-iran/

NOW......

"I suspect Kerry will do nothing, but the question is whether Democrats will once again accede to the president.

It is important to understand how we got here — and to understand Democrats’ complicity in a policy of appeasement. "

"If the administration does not enforce UNSCR 1929, the resolution that explicitly forbids the recent missile test, this will only embolden the regime that it can act with absolute impunity. It is long past the time for the administration to show resolve that violations have real consequence.”

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No surprise whatsoever!
The Iranians are proceeding as planned.
Obama will do nothing as expected.....by the Iranians.
Appeasement just doesn't seem adequate to describe Obama's actions.....agenda accomplishment!

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They only respect power, so nuke them.

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They only respect power, so nuke them.

Anything that requires a decision is not in the cards of the Obama administration.

He has the response of a tent peg!

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Anything that requires a decision is not in the cards of the Obama administration.

He has the response of a tent peg!

There are times when inaction is the best decision.

In this case, the beginning of a HUGE gamble on our part, it does not seem that we can afford to allow and permit.

The results of allowing this deal to go south could become a disaster.

I am shocked. To my knowledge, and I will stand corrected if I am wrong, we have not even issued a condemnation statement on this.

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There are times when inaction is the best decision.

In this case, the beginning of a HUGE gamble on our part, it does not seem that we can afford to allow and permit.

The results of allowing this deal to go south could become a disaster.

I am shocked. To my knowledge, and I will stand corrected if I am wrong, we have not even issued a condemnation statement on this.

And anybody else curious why our self indulged, Obama supportive media has not pursued the inaction? The violation? The open arrogance of the Iranians to state that they did it and dare anybody to object?
It is so obvious that Barry and Kerry are incompetent and in the pocket of the (laughing) Iranians.

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This may serve as warnings for those Democrats taking "victory laps"

This article speaks to the recent Iran launch of intercontinental Ballistic Missles.

"a group of Senate Democrats responded with a letter to Secretary of State John F. Kerry denouncing Iran’s move as a violation of U.N. Security Council Resolution 1929 and calling for “unilateral and multilateral responses.”

"“There must be no ambiguity in our willingness to enforce Iran’s obligations under UN resolutions and the JCPOA,” said the Oct. 21 letter signed by 11 Democratic senators.

Only two of those — Sens. Benjamin L. Cardin of Maryland and Charles E. Schumer of New York — voted against the deal.

The episode exemplifies a worst-case scenario for Democrats as they head into next year’s election, namely that Iran will give Republicans ample “I-told-you-so” opportunities by breaking the agreement, violating other international sanctions or keeping the issue in the public eye with recurring acts of aggression or anti-U.S. rhetoric.

Iranian aggression since Obama nuclear deal looms as 2016 headache for Democrats - Washington Times (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/oct/25/iranian-aggression-since-obama-nuclear-deal-looms-/)

Only two of those voted against which means already the voting Dems are weakening.

Anyway, should be an issue for the debates between the two candidates next fall.

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Obviously this is not near as important as what Ben Carson may have said, but just an opinion....

"President Obama and Secretary of State John Kerry were convinced their one-sided nuclear deal would lead to better relations with Iran, but it’s already doing the reverse.

Tehran has taken two more Americans hostage just this month — and followed up with a massive cyberattack on the US government, especially the State Department’s Office of Iranian Affairs.

The kicker: Iran is holding the nuke deal hostage — threatening to junk it if Obama tries to punish the country for its fresh outrages.
Wake up and smell the coffee, guys.

When they seized one of the new hostages, the Iranians also grabbed his computer and forced him to unlock it. That allowed the Revolutionary Guard to launch what The Wall Street Journal reports is a massive cyberattack.

And, of course, the new hostages — charged with spying, natch — join three other American citizens already held."

Obama held hostage: How Iran’s using the nuke deal as license to go wild | New York Post (http://nypost.com/2015/11/07/obama-held-hostage-how-irans-using-the-nuke-deal-as-license-to-go-wild/)

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Another typical ignorant liberal idea that you can reason with radicals. Where do we get these idiots?

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I have a serious question for the Democratic/progressive/liberal posters who post routinely and often to denegrate anyone who happens to be Republican.

You never post on ANY thread involving our country and foreign affairs, no matter what. Actually, the same would apply to domestic affairs UNLESS it has to do with race.

What does that indicate ?

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Iran is holding AMERICAN hostages and continues to take them.

Yet, we are lifting the sanctions from them.

Does not seem to be important based on this forum and the MSM, so let's get back to the important news of the day......what did Ben Carson say ?

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I have a serious question for the Democratic/progressive/liberal posters who post routinely and often to denegrate anyone who happens to be Republican.


What does that indicate ?

It probably means payback happens. How about the conservative/Republican posters who continuously denegrate anyone who happens to be liberal? You know that respect is a two way street.

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It probably means payback happens. How about the conservative/Republican posters who continuously denegrate anyone who happens to be liberal? You know that respect is a two way street.

The question had NOTHING to do with the quality of the post.

It had to do with the IGNORING TOTALLY any post on foreign affairs or domestic unless race is involved.

I understand the give and take.....I do not understand how NO liberals seem to have an opinion on foreign affairs or domestic affairs (unless race or gender is involved).

No posts on those issues; It either comes down to, on foreign affairs, something about Bush or on domestic affairs how racist and bigoted the Republican party is.

Are we to actually assume, as one example, that every single poster on this forum that is progressive thinks the Iran deal is great ? Even though even many of their own elected officials and over 60 percent of fellow americans do not think that ? Have they no opinion on Syria and the use of chemical gas on kids, the years of slaughter going on there or the refugee problem ?

The only mention of minimum wage by a progressive was AFTER Ms Clinton came out in support and even on those posts, they are not clear whether they are for FEDERAL or state, because she did not make it clear I suppose.

You cant change this thread from its purpose. I understand what you are saying and ask that if I can listen and understand, that you try and do the same.

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It probably means payback happens. How about the conservative/Republican posters who continuously denegrate anyone who happens to be liberal? You know that respect is a two way street.

I can tell that you voted for Obama. Birds of the same feather. I don't mean that in a "denigrating" manner. Its just that anyone that doesn't agree with you, seems to make you very sad, and have to find someone to fault. Obama had Bush to blame, so you blame the conservatives for not understanding you.

I do NOT respect Liberalism/socialism. I believe that it is dangerous to American freedom. I have nothing against liberals or socialists. I just feel that they are very ignorant, following an ideology that they do not understand. If finding liberals ignorant is considered not respecting them, then OK, you got me.

And, I don't seek your respect. I am a patriot, that believes in the future of America. Liberals seem to be lazy and look to what the gov can give to them TODAY. They have no problems with others fighting wars for them, paying taxes for them and serving them. They have no humility and will accept charity willingly, often demanding it.

If a conservative doesn't like something, a movie, TV show, religion, guns, etc. they will not purchase it, change the channel, or not go to church.
If a liberal doesn't like something...anything....they want it banned.

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I can tell that you voted for Obama. Birds of the same feather. I don't mean that in a "denigrating" manner. Its just that anyone that doesn't agree with you, seems to make you very sad, and have to find someone to fault. Obama had Bush to blame, so you blame the conservatives for not understanding you.

I do NOT respect Liberalism/socialism. I believe that it is dangerous to American freedom. I have nothing against liberals or socialists. I just feel that they are very ignorant, following an ideology that they do not understand. If finding liberals ignorant is considered not respecting them, then OK, you got me.

And, I don't seek your respect. I am a patriot, that believes in the future of America. Liberals seem to be lazy and look to what the gov can give to them TODAY. They have no problems with others fighting wars for them, paying taxes for them and serving them. They have no humility and will accept charity willingly, often demanding it.

If a conservative doesn't like something, a movie, TV show, religion, guns, etc. they will not purchase it, change the channel, or not go to church.
If a liberal doesn't like something...anything....they want it banned.

:boom:

:boom:

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:boom:

:boom:

That would be both barrels.....:D

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I have become very leary of global liberal elitist that promote internationalism because I suspect their aim is to destroy a nation's borders. Once you have a world without borders its people lose their individualism, their identity, their culture, their nationalism. Global elitist can then rule can from afar and people without borders are so much easier to control and exploit. If you step back a bit isn't that what happened with the European Union when they created city states.

The George Soros's of the world want to dominate and so they sow the progressive elitist propaganda and progressives as useful idiots buy into this utopian dream

That's why America needs to protect its Article of Freedoms..Declaration of Independence, U S Constitution and Bill of Rights. Every time an individual tries to violate or ignore the Constitution it is a threat to our very existence.
Its why I favor Justice Scalia, Justice Thomas.

When a group peddles separation of church and state and uses that to demand that "In God We Trust"be removed or a depiction of the Ten Commandments or the Confederate Flag they are attempting to strip us of our heritage, our identification and in the process us divide us. They would argue that it is offensive but that is a ruse its all about gaining control and what better way than pitting Americans against one another.

Progressive use collectivism to advance their agenda, an agenda that artificially promotes social-economic-gender neutral classes that are transforming this nation into nothingness. Conservatives respond as individuals. We are losing our individualism and once we lose our individualism we lost our national identity.

Be wary of gun control, gender-neutral initiatives, immigration issues that do not secure our borders, claims of internationalism, sea treaties and the like because they are all aimed at disintegrating this nation . We need leaders who are not afraid to defend this nation against foreign or domestic enemies, preserve our exceptionalism, our right to express our personal and religious beliefs.

In order to do that the first thing every American needs to do is to learn to read in between the lines when these elitist begin spouting off their platitudes

Personal Best Regards:

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Someone, please, at least make an attempt to explain this to me.

We signed a deal with Iran, so unpopular congress had to be bypassed with manipulation, and all polls show it was terrible.

Then, Iran has fired, not one but TWO ICBM misses in violation of that treaty, and the United Nations. Nothing much said about it.

Now, recently US congress passed new immigration laws which cut off visa waivers for people who recently visited certain, specifically named countries.

Iran complained, and Sec'y Kerry informed them that our President will be glad to waive those rules for them.

Republicans blast Kerry for suggesting Iran could skirt new visa rules | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/12/22/republicans-blast-kerry-for-suggesting-iran-could-skirt-new-visa-rules.html)

If your gut tells you to say...oh, its Fox reporting....then stop and think how important this story is and ask WHY nobody is talking about it. The story has great credits by the way as it has been brought up in congress.

So, tell me.....they, whomever they are, say TERRORISM is our biggest issue. Iran is renowned as the largest single state to outright terrorism. Ink is not dry on this terribly misguided deal, and Iran is firing missles that are forbidden by another agreement, and we are going to cut them a break on visas.

Please, somebody explain this logic, and tell me why nobody is upset.

Is Trump that important to cover ?

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They also are holding USA citizens in Iran !!!!

This post and thread reminds of many others on issues that are so important to the country.

Those who have been on here calling for issues....this is a HUGE issue.

But, no body will take the time. Better to call each other and each others political position silly names or talk about Trump.

WE are indeed responsible for our leadership....they DO play to our concerns, which apparently are more on what Trump or Clinton call each other.

This is a primary...a time to find out in general terms where the candidates stand, how "presidential" they are, do they have leadership skills.

BUT we ignore and when the $%^& hits the fan, we will blame these same people we spend time applauding instead of discussing what this country has to do.

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They also are holding USA citizens in Iran !!!!

This post and thread reminds of many others on issues that are so important to the country.

Those who have been on here calling for issues....this is a HUGE issue.

But, no body will take the time. Better to call each other and each others political position silly names or talk about Trump.

WE are indeed responsible for our leadership....they DO play to our concerns, which apparently are more on what Trump or Clinton call each other.

This is a primary...a time to find out in general terms where the candidates stand, how "presidential" they are, do they have leadership skills.

BUT we ignore and when the $%^& hits the fan, we will blame these same people we spend time applauding instead of discussing what this country has to do.

The only posters on here that bring up Trump are the liberals that are scared of him. Nobody else cares about him and I doubt there is anyone on here that will actually vote for him. I may be wrong on that, but you can tell it's just the liberals attempting to fear monger.

I agree that this Iran deal is a big thing. But, the Iran deal is Foreign policy, not that much politics even if everyone wants to make it political. We can only beat a dead horse so much, and Iran is a done deal. I hate the deal and consider Kerry and Barry to be big failures and close to being treacherous when it comes to what they compromised to get this stupid deal. To leave Americans behind just to get a notch on their political guns is despicable. To allow Iran so much slack and not backing up threats is also dangerous. On top of that, they view us as weak. And the cherry on the top of this is Iran getting their money back and the sanctions lifted.

Obama and Kerry should be lynched for such treachery.