Deadbeat

[Guest]

The dictionary defines a deadbeat as someone who aviods or does not pay their bills. Does that not discribe we Americans very well. We are now talking about a government shutdown with congress back. If the only choices were raising taxes to cover the spending or a partial government shutdown how would we vote.

[Guest]

Neither.
What people do not either understand or accept is the game the politicians are playing....have been playing.....play in ernest when ever it is funding time again.

There are billions and billions of dollars of programs that are obsolete that consume budget dollars that are never touched as they are the favorites of which ever specific lawmaker is talking.

They have an unwritten code...if you do not go after my favorite programs/projects I will not go after yours. Hence obsolete and very expensive programs continue to remain funded. Using up valuable dollars that could in fact go a long way toward funding the needed programs of today.

But it is easier to cry wolf. Play the old shut down the government game. Point fingers. Get some special dispensation for delaying the inevitable and move the subject matter out in the calendar only to be repeated all over again when that time frame expires.

This budgeting and financial game playing is THE perfect example of our federal government incompetence and more perfect example of we the people continually ALLOWING these incompetents to continue.

Pure and simple....BS POLITICS!

[Guest]

Look at all the money they would save by shutting down the gov for a day or two. Make it a month.

[Guest]

Neither.
What people do not either understand or accept is the game the politicians are playing....have been playing.....play in ernest when ever it is funding time again.

There are billions and billions of dollars of programs that are obsolete that consume budget dollars that are never touched as they are the favorites of which ever specific lawmaker is talking.

They have an unwritten code...if you do not go after my favorite programs/projects I will not go after yours. Hence obsolete and very expensive programs continue to remain funded. Using up valuable dollars that could in fact go a long way toward funding the needed programs of today.

But it is easier to cry wolf. Play the old shut down the government game. Point fingers. Get some special dispensation for delaying the inevitable and move the subject matter out in the calendar only to be repeated all over again when that time frame expires.

This budgeting and financial game playing is THE perfect example of our federal government incompetence and more perfect example of we the people continually ALLOWING these incompetents to continue.

Pure and simple....BS POLITICS!

Does anyone recall our President appointing the National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform called the Simpson Bowles commission ?

They were charged by the President to be honest and open about our fiscal problems.

The President did not like it, not did his economic guru Krugman thus it died.

Of note is that Nancy Pelosi was opposed but she keeps recently bringing it up.

It was an opportunity wasted and was the first of many little dances done on this stage of fiscal irresponsibility.

[Guest]

Look at all the money they would save by shutting down the gov for a day or two. Make it a month.

Good idea. Oops, no Social Security payment for that month (and will not be paid back). Oops, no Medicare payment to your doctors - you have to payit yourself.

[Guest]

Good idea. Oops, no Social Security payment for that month (and will not be paid back). Oops, no Medicare payment to your doctors - you have to payit yourself.

OR...

How about our President talk to congress and congress talk to each other about our financial problems.

NOT at each other but to each other forgetting that little D or R after their names.

Admitting you have a problem is the first step.

I thought Simpson Bowles was the framework but obviously our leaders did not.

[Guest]

When you have an idiot president and senile old congressional idiots slandering each other, what do you get? Nothing. If you are the majority for five years, then you get crazy and nothing. If you are the first black president and a celebrity, what happens? If you are an idiot, you get away with being a tyrant because anyone that disagrees with you is a racist. I have both of Obama's books (ebooks) and he admits to being a socialist, a dope head and praying to Allah. He was a radical community activist and then subsidized by radicals he managed to get into politics. No one cared what he was, and just blindly and stupidly voted him into the white house, not once but twice. Shows how ignorantly stupid Americans are. Easily led off the cliff. Perhaps we deserve our demise.

[Guest]

Well said. The problem with two party system! Parties or Gangs should be outlawed. The gang only serve their masters? The lobbyists, uinions, and billionaire donators that expect something in return. If you think your vote counts, it don't due to the electoral college. Once we get ride of electoral colleges, two party system, limit terms to no more than 8 years. and go by actual votes NOTHING will change.

[Guest]

Well said. The problem with two party system! Parties or Gangs should be outlawed. The gang only serve their masters? The lobbyists, uinions, and billionaire donators that expect something in return. If you think your vote counts, it don't due to the electoral college. Once we get ride of electoral colleges, two party system, limit terms to no more than 8 years. and go by actual votes NOTHING will change.

Start by having the Constitution amended! Term limits woul have to be an amendment. The getting rid of the electoral college would have to be an amendment.

You want more than two parties? We have more than two but just two major parties. You want one party? Sounds like a dictatorship to me.

Billionaires donating to politicians and expecting something in return? Donald Trump bragged about doing that!

[Guest]

Good idea. Oops, no Social Security payment for that month (and will not be paid back). Oops, no Medicare payment to your doctors - you have to payit yourself.

When they shut down, they have always continued to pay SS and Medicare. Nice try.

[Guest]

and as per usual both parties will find a way to come up with yet another stupid contrived excuse to provide funding for a few more week....or moths......or maybe until after the election.....

Disgraceful.

[Guest]

yes it is supposed to read weeks and months!

[Guest]

All comments so far have been as expected. No one wants to answer the question. That is why nothing will change until ship sinks. These are the leaders we elected and will elect again next Nov.

[Guest]

When you have an idiot president and senile old congressional idiots slandering each other, what do you get? Nothing. If you are the majority for five years, then you get crazy and nothing. If you are the first black president and a celebrity, what happens? If you are an idiot, you get away with being a tyrant because anyone that disagrees with you is a racist. I have both of Obama's books (ebooks) and he admits to being a socialist, a dope head and praying to Allah. He was a radical community activist and then subsidized by radicals he managed to get into politics. No one cared what he was, and just blindly and stupidly voted him into the white house, not once but twice. Shows how ignorantly stupid Americans are. Easily led off the cliff. Perhaps we deserve our demise.

You were on a roll until the cliff reference at the end.

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[Guest]

and as per usual both parties will find a way to come up with yet another stupid contrived excuse to provide funding for a few more week....or moths......or maybe until after the election.....

Disgraceful.

I am curious what you find "disgraceful" about the Simpson Bowles report which addressed exactly this situation.

No excuses in that report at all, and in fact, our President opposed it because it would not allow all the spending he wished. It calls for us to tighten our belt and tells how. It will not make anyone happy but it does address the problem.

PLEASE, why would you find that report "disgraceful".

It was totally bipartisan so your premise of "stupid contrived excuses" has no merit,

Please read my post #4 and explain why it is disgraceful. I am assuming that you are aware of the report and commission referenced and not simply trolling.

[Guest]

All comments so far have been as expected. No one wants to answer the question. That is why nothing will change until ship sinks. These are the leaders we elected and will elect again next Nov.

I ask you the same question asked earlier of another poster.

What fault do you find with the Simpson Bowles report ?

It goes directly to the subject...it is bi partisan....

So......what is wrong with that comment, please.

[Guest]

When they shut down, they have always continued to pay SS and Medicare. Nice try.

Maybe the next time, they will NOT pay SS or Medicare. No guarantee.

[Guest]

[QUOTE=Guest;1114165]I am curious what you find "disgraceful" about the Simpson Bowles report which addressed exactly this situation.

No excuses in that report at all, and in fact, our President opposed it because it would not allow all the spending he wished. It calls for us to tighten our belt and tells how. It will not make anyone happy but it does address the problem.

PLEASE, why would you find that report "disgraceful".

It was totally bipartisan so your premise of "stupid contrived excuses" has no merit,

Please read my post #4 and explain why it is disgraceful. I am assuming that you are aware of the report and commission referenced and not simply trolling.[/QUO

I addressed post # 1.....government shutdown......and Washington's lame kick the can down the road......shutdown threat....kick the can down the road......repeat....repeat....repeat

[Guest]

I am curious what you find "disgraceful" about the Simpson Bowles report which addressed exactly this situation.

No excuses in that report at all, and in fact, our President opposed it because it would not allow all the spending he wished. It calls for us to tighten our belt and tells how. It will not make anyone happy but it does address the problem.

PLEASE, why would you find that report "disgraceful".

It was totally bipartisan so your premise of "stupid contrived excuses" has no merit,

Please read my post #4 and explain why it is disgraceful. I am assuming that you are aware of the report and commission referenced and not simply trolling.

No troll here!

I addressed post # 1.....government shutdown......and Washington's lame kick the can down the road......shutdown threat....kick the can down the road......repeat....repeat....repeat

[Guest]

The dictionary defines a deadbeat as someone who aviods or does not pay their bills. Does that not discribe we Americans very well. We are now talking about a government shutdown with congress back. If the only choices were raising taxes to cover the spending or a partial government shutdown how would we vote.

and since those aren't the only choices it's ludicrous to answer as both don't solve the real problems...over spending and crappy work ethics. You may as well ask...since we're all going to die which would you prefer....death by fire or stoning?

[Guest]

I am curious what you find "disgraceful" about the Simpson Bowles report which addressed exactly this situation.

No excuses in that report at all, and in fact, our President opposed it because it would not allow all the spending he wished. It calls for us to tighten our belt and tells how. It will not make anyone happy but it does address the problem.

PLEASE, why would you find that report "disgraceful".

It was totally bipartisan so your premise of "stupid contrived excuses" has no merit,

Please read my post #4 and explain why it is disgraceful. I am assuming that you are aware of the report and commission referenced and not simply trolling.

11 shocking, true facts about Simpson-Bowles - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2012/12/04/11-shocking-true-facts-about-simpson-bowles/)

It is the Washington Post. Your comment about Obama doesn't like it because of the spending he wouldn't be able to do might nit be quite accurate.

The Post states that the Republicans would tie all of bad points directly on Obama. Given what has happened over the past few years where everything is Obama's fault, it appears that his fears were right on point.

[Guest]

11 shocking, true facts about Simpson-Bowles - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2012/12/04/11-shocking-true-facts-about-simpson-bowles/)

It is the Washington Post. Your comment about Obama doesn't like it because of the spending he wouldn't be able to do might nit be quite accurate.

The Post states that the Republicans would tie all of bad points directly on Obama. Given what has happened over the past few years where everything is Obama's fault, it appears that his fears were right on point.

I am curious; your sarcasm indicates you find no fault with the last 6 years, and I have no problem with the sarcasm, but wondering whose fault would it be...

For 4/5 years only one party was permitted to send bills to the floor for a vote, and no debate was allowed

An extremely extremely expensive ACA bill was passed using votes from only one party, with hardly any conversation with the other side or listening to any other proposals.

Race relations have gone from bad to worse, and the only party out front stirring is one party.

There is much more terrorism in the world, despite calls for action.

We are abandoning our biggest, and only ally in the ME.

We are implicit in a deal that assures Iran of a nuclear weapon, and a deal that despite the rhetoric will be irreversible.

We are now handing a windfall of income to the single largest sponsor of terrorism ever in the world.

We have turned our back on gassing and shooting of children in Syria.

We handed over Libya to the terrorists, lost Yemen within a month of declaring it a huge success.

There are many more examples, but these are just a few of NON POLITICAL spin to blame the President; They actually occurred and did happen.

I clearly remember Simpson Bowles. I applauded the President for taking the action he did to empanel the group. I applauded the non partisanship of the group.

When the plan or suggestions were released, it was clear that it was a non starter on both sides, but presented an opportunity. That opportunity was scrapped, and honestly by BOTH sides. My hope, and I was not alone was that the President would use his bully pulpit, which is what Presidents do, to force discussion and come to a compromise, but he simply dismissed it

The budget is the Presidents "thing" and while I think the plan was much too austere, it was a beginning but that moment has gone.

The problems cited by Simpson Bowles and the severe answers suggested will need to come to pass eventually. We cannot continue on this path and survive. It will take a brave, sincere President to use it or the new one floating around to get our budget in order.

Simply playing politics with it, or worrying about the political fallout from it will simply insure that "kicking the can down the road" will be our "plan".

Did I overstate in my alluding to Simpson Bowles initially, but until now, nobody even responded to my post, which I hoped would cause folks to look at where we are, and the direction we are headed.

I do not think even Simpson and Bowles expected a literal bill or budget from their work, but what rankled me and still does about the current admin is the attention to politics over what is best for the country.

I know they are politicians, but I suppose I am used to Presidents who once in office can see their way to negotiations, compromise and can disregard the political ramifications of anything.

By the way, I applied that same exact thinking to ACA and Iran, ie., is the admin putting country ahead of politics perhaps ? Should I be a bit more open minded ?

Each time I delved deeper into those two things, I saw and see politics at its worst. I see that before the country and not what I was looking for.

I assure you, I went into my investigations with a completely open mind, and maybe it was just bad timing, but day after day, I found the admin avoiding, not seeking, conversation, or compromise. I read the CBO report over and over, and if you do that you can see the direction that he ACA is taking this country. I am not speaking of the political fallout, but the financial. I heard and hear the admin say that nobody had an alternative but they did and do. They were simply ignored, and most importantly to me, made fun of.

Same with Iran. We keep being told, and this getting old, that there is no other alternative. The more you read the more you find the lies in that.

[Guest]

I am curious; your sarcasm indicates you find no fault with the last 6 years, and I have no problem with the sarcasm, but wondering whose fault would it be...

For 4/5 years only one party was permitted to send bills to the floor for a vote, and no debate was allowed

An extremely extremely expensive ACA bill was passed using votes from only one party, with hardly any conversation with the other side or listening to any other proposals.

Race relations have gone from bad to worse, and the only party out front stirring is one party.

There is much more terrorism in the world, despite calls for action.

We are abandoning our biggest, and only ally in the ME.

We are implicit in a deal that assures Iran of a nuclear weapon, and a deal that despite the rhetoric will be irreversible.

We are now handing a windfall of income to the single largest sponsor of terrorism ever in the world.

We have turned our back on gassing and shooting of children in Syria.

We handed over Libya to the terrorists, lost Yemen within a month of declaring it a huge success.

There are many more examples, but these are just a few of NON POLITICAL spin to blame the President; They actually occurred and did happen.

I clearly remember Simpson Bowles. I applauded the President for taking the action he did to empanel the group. I applauded the non partisanship of the group.

When the plan or suggestions were released, it was clear that it was a non starter on both sides, but presented an opportunity. That opportunity was scrapped, and honestly by BOTH sides. My hope, and I was not alone was that the President would use his bully pulpit, which is what Presidents do, to force discussion and come to a compromise, but he simply dismissed it

The budget is the Presidents "thing" and while I think the plan was much too austere, it was a beginning but that moment has gone.

The problems cited by Simpson Bowles and the severe answers suggested will need to come to pass eventually. We cannot continue on this path and survive. It will take a brave, sincere President to use it or the new one floating around to get our budget in order.

Simply playing politics with it, or worrying about the political fallout from it will simply insure that "kicking the can down the road" will be our "plan".

Did I overstate in my alluding to Simpson Bowles initially, but until now, nobody even responded to my post, which I hoped would cause folks to look at where we are, and the direction we are headed.

I do not think even Simpson and Bowles expected a literal bill or budget from their work, but what rankled me and still does about the current admin is the attention to politics over what is best for the country.

I know they are politicians, but I suppose I am used to Presidents who once in office can see their way to negotiations, compromise and can disregard the political ramifications of anything.

By the way, I applied that same exact thinking to ACA and Iran, ie., is the admin putting country ahead of politics perhaps ? Should I be a bit more open minded ?

Each time I delved deeper into those two things, I saw and see politics at its worst. I see that before the country and not what I was looking for.

I assure you, I went into my investigations with a completely open mind, and maybe it was just bad timing, but day after day, I found the admin avoiding, not seeking, conversation, or compromise. I read the CBO report over and over, and if you do that you can see the direction that he ACA is taking this country. I am not speaking of the political fallout, but the financial. I heard and hear the admin say that nobody had an alternative but they did and do. They were simply ignored, and most importantly to me, made fun of.

Same with Iran. We keep being told, and this getting old, that there is no other alternative. The more you read the more you find the lies in that.

Since liberalism is a debilitating mental disorder, all the facts and logic (which you effectively present) make no difference. We also have to recognize that liberalism is a dysfunctional (secular) religious creed and their "faith" prevents them from seeing the obvious errors of St. Obie's way.

[Guest]

Since liberalism is a debilitating mental disorder, all the facts and logic (which you effectively present) make no difference. We also have to recognize that liberalism is a dysfunctional (secular) religious creed and their "faith" prevents them from seeing the obvious errors of St. Obie's way.

:thumbup::BigApplause:

[Guest]

I am curious; your sarcasm indicates you find no fault with the last 6 years, and I have no problem with the sarcasm, but wondering whose fault would it be...

For 4/5 years only one party was permitted to send bills to the floor for a vote, and no debate was allowed

An extremely extremely expensive ACA bill was passed using votes from only one party, with hardly any conversation with the other side or listening to any other proposals.

Race relations have gone from bad to worse, and the only party out front stirring is one party.

There is much more terrorism in the world, despite calls for action.

We are abandoning our biggest, and only ally in the ME.

We are implicit in a deal that assures Iran of a nuclear weapon, and a deal that despite the rhetoric will be irreversible.

We are now handing a windfall of income to the single largest sponsor of terrorism ever in the world.

We have turned our back on gassing and shooting of children in Syria.

We handed over Libya to the terrorists, lost Yemen within a month of declaring it a huge success.

There are many more examples, but these are just a few of NON POLITICAL spin to blame the President; They actually occurred and did happen.

I clearly remember Simpson Bowles. I applauded the President for taking the action he did to empanel the group. I applauded the non partisanship of the group.

When the plan or suggestions were released, it was clear that it was a non starter on both sides, but presented an opportunity. That opportunity was scrapped, and honestly by BOTH sides. My hope, and I was not alone was that the President would use his bully pulpit, which is what Presidents do, to force discussion and come to a compromise, but he simply dismissed it

The budget is the Presidents "thing" and while I think the plan was much too austere, it was a beginning but that moment has gone.

The problems cited by Simpson Bowles and the severe answers suggested will need to come to pass eventually. We cannot continue on this path and survive. It will take a brave, sincere President to use it or the new one floating around to get our budget in order.

Simply playing politics with it, or worrying about the political fallout from it will simply insure that "kicking the can down the road" will be our "plan".

Did I overstate in my alluding to Simpson Bowles initially, but until now, nobody even responded to my post, which I hoped would cause folks to look at where we are, and the direction we are headed.

I do not think even Simpson and Bowles expected a literal bill or budget from their work, but what rankled me and still does about the current admin is the attention to politics over what is best for the country.

I know they are politicians, but I suppose I am used to Presidents who once in office can see their way to negotiations, compromise and can disregard the political ramifications of anything.

By the way, I applied that same exact thinking to ACA and Iran, ie., is the admin putting country ahead of politics perhaps ? Should I be a bit more open minded ?

Each time I delved deeper into those two things, I saw and see politics at its worst. I see that before the country and not what I was looking for.

I assure you, I went into my investigations with a completely open mind, and maybe it was just bad timing, but day after day, I found the admin avoiding, not seeking, conversation, or compromise. I read the CBO report over and over, and if you do that you can see the direction that he ACA is taking this country. I am not speaking of the political fallout, but the financial. I heard and hear the admin say that nobody had an alternative but they did and do. They were simply ignored, and most importantly to me, made fun of.

Same with Iran. We keep being told, and this getting old, that there is no other alternative. The more you read the more you find the lies in that.

There was no sarcasm in my post concerning Simpson/Bowles. Obama thought and correctly that if he accepted Simpson/Bowles, he would get blamed for everything that went wrong in the future. If you think that that is an incorrect statement, take a look at your post. You are blaming for him for everything.

For the first two years of his presidency, Mitch McConnell filibustered everything. That is what stopped debate in the Senate. When the Republicans gained control of the House, Boehner didn't let anything get to the floor for a vote that didn't have the support of the majority of the majority. There is no way in hell that the Republicans can wash their hands clean for everything that has happened in the last 6 plus years, but they certainly are trying with a little help from their friends. Compromise involves both parties. Take a good look at the Tea Party, if you want to see people that refuse to compromise. They won't even compromise with their own party. I am voting for Kasich, because he appears to be willing to compromise with the Democrats. If he doesn't get elected the next president's four years will be worse that Obama's eight years. You can count on that.

Concerning the ACA, he tried his entire first year to get Republican support. Only one Republican even had an open mind on it, and she voted against it, when it finally came up for a vote.

"WE" are giving a windfall to Iran. The P5plus1 was just one, the US. The US alone couldn't stop Iran from getting their own money unless we let them proceed with them getting nuclear bombs. Iran doesn't get a penny until the IAEA inspects all their sites for evidence of nuclear bomb making material, and making sure they are adhering to the agreement.

When the two NY police officers were killed by the insane black man, Fox News was blaming Obama even before the officers were put in the ground. The same news station criticized Obama for bringing up the Missouri black man killed by a police officer before the young black man was put in the ground. Seems like one news station is driving down a lovely one way street.

Syria, Russia, and US came to an agreement on Syria's use of chemical bombs without a shot being fired by the US. Syria stopped using them, didn't they!

Concerning the ACA, the health insurance companies, and the increases in health costs were out of control. Again 1999-2009, health insurance premiums increased 131%, and inflation 28%. Something had to be done about it. Allowing health insurance carriers to cross state lines won't work. They know what each other will charge. There will be price fixing. The ACA was a Heritage Foundation plan, and it used Romney's Mass plan as the example to follow. If Obama had his way, you got to know he would have pushed for single payer plan, Medicare For All.

Concerning the Middle East, there are over 5 million soldiers in arms in ME countries, and a little over 50,000 ISIS fighters. Why do we have to send a large number of our soldiers there to stomp out ISIS? Why don't they clean their own house? We are never going to walk away from Israel.

You are right everything right now is political. However, Obama didn't push that snowball down the hill by himself. He had plenty of help, and now he has more help then ever. We are on a road to nowhere, and driving that truck in the near future could be Trump, or Sanders. Irresponsible or Irrational, what a choice!

[Guest]

It's amazing how much help Obama needs to defend himself. Not a very encouraging example of a president. Seems like someone is always having to defend him, and yet no one has ever been able to claim that he has done anything exceptional, except getting elected as the first black president. Oh well, I have heard that his golf swing has improved.