So Who is Sarah Palin?

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Who is Sarah Palin? Here's some basic background:


She was elected Alaska 's governor a little over a year and a half ago. Her previous office was mayor of Wasilla, a small town outside Anchorage. She has no foreign policy experience. 1

Palin is strongly anti-choice, opposing abortion even in the case of rape or incest.2

She supported right-wing extremist Pat Buchanan for president in 2000. 3

Palin thinks creationism should be taught in public schools.4

She's doesn't think humans are the cause of climate change. 5

She's solidly in line with John McCain's "Big Oil first" energy policy. She's pushed hard for more oil drilling and says renewables won't be ready for years. She also sued the Bush administration for listing polar bears as an endangered species—she was worried it would interfere with more oil drilling in Alaska.6

How closely did John McCain vet this choice? He met Sarah Palin once at a meeting. They spoke a second time, last Sunday, when he called her about being vice-president. Then he offered her the position.7

In addcition, she is VERY, VERY conservative, and far from perfect. She's a hunter and fisherwoman, but votes against the environment again and again. She ran on ethics reform, but is currently under investigation for several charges involving hiring and firing of state officials. She has NO experience beyond Alaska.

Sources:


1. "Sarah Palin," Wikipedia, Accessed August 29, 2008
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin

2. "McCain Selects Anti-Choice Sarah Palin as Running Mate," NARAL Pro-Choice America, August 29, 2008
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17515&id=13661-6150173-CCcS9Px&t=1

3. "Sarah Palin, Buchananite," The Nation, August 29, 2008
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17736&id=13661-6150173-CCcS9Px&t=2


4. "'Creation science' enters the race," Anchorage Daily News, October 27, 2006
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17737&id=13661-6150173-CCcS9Px&t=3

5. "Palin buys climate denial PR spin—ignores science," Huffington Post, August 29, 2008
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17517&id=13661-6150173-CCcS9Px&t=4

6. " McCain VP Pick Completes Shift to Bush Energy Policy," Sierra Club, August 29, 2008
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17518&id=13661-6150173-CCcS9Px&t=5

"Choice of Palin Promises Failed Energy Policies of the Past," League of Conservation Voters, August 29, 2008
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17519&id=13661-6150173-CCcS9Px&t=6

"Protecting polar bears gets in way of drilling for oil, says governor," The Times of London, May 23, 2008
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17520&id=13661-6150173-CCcS9Px&t=7

7 "McCain met Palin once before yesterday," MSNBC , August 29, 2008
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=21119&id=13661-6150173-CCcS9Px&t=8

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Your source of MOVEON tells the story !!!!!!!

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The Next VP of the USA

:#1: :bigthumbsup: ;D :bigthumbsup:]

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Moveon.org is hardly a credible source. She has more executive experience than McCain, Obama and Biden put together. Not that that is saying much, since they don't have any.

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I posted this earlier but it applies...

Just two observations....

Gov Palin, I believe, had served 5 years in office before Sen Obama thought about running for office....

And lastly...from Sen Obama's speech of Thursday night...

"For eighteen long months, you have stood up, one by one, and said enough to the politics of the past. You understand that in this election, the greatest risk we can take is to try the same old politics with the same old players and expect a different result. You have shown what history teaches us - that at defining moments like this one, the change we need doesn't come from Washington. Change comes to Washington. Change happens because the American people demand it - because they rise up and insist on new ideas and new leadership, a new politics for a new time."


Is not Gov Palin the only one of all 4 candidates who meets that criteria ?

It just struck me when reading this part of his speech !

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Sarah Palin left the finances of her town Wasilla in tatters when she moved on in 2002. She wanted a legacy as mayor, it seems, and pushed hard for the town to build a hyper-expensive sports complex. But Palin screwed the process up badly. Instead of buying the land for the complex when it was offered, her administration allowed a developer named Gary Lundgren to snap it up. Then Wasilla tried to seize the land from Lundgren through eminent domain. In the end, what with court costs Wasilla paid at least $ 1.7 million for land it could have bought for less than one tenth that sum - if the purchase had been handled properly. For this incompetence, Wasilla is still paying a steep price: higher taxes and cutbacks in services. In other words Palin is about as efficient as Michael Brown, onetime head of FEMA.

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JUNGLEJIM...would you mind posting your source ! Thanks

[Guest]

Who is Sarah Palin? Here's some basic background:


She was elected Alaska 's governor a little over a year and a half ago. Her previous office was mayor of Wasilla, a small town outside Anchorage. She has no foreign policy experience. 1

Palin is strongly anti-choice, opposing abortion even in the case of rape or incest.2

She supported right-wing extremist Pat Buchanan for president in 2000. 3

Palin thinks creationism should be taught in public schools.4

She's doesn't think humans are the cause of climate change. 5

She's solidly in line with John McCain's "Big Oil first" energy policy. She's pushed hard for more oil drilling and says renewables won't be ready for years. She also sued the Bush administration for listing polar bears as an endangered species—she was worried it would interfere with more oil drilling in Alaska.6

How closely did John McCain vet this choice? He met Sarah Palin once at a meeting. They spoke a second time, last Sunday, when he called her about being vice-president. Then he offered her the position.7

In addcition, she is VERY, VERY conservative, and far from perfect. She's a hunter and fisherwoman, but votes against the environment again and again. She ran on ethics reform, but is currently under investigation for several charges involving hiring and firing of state officials. She has NO experience beyond Alaska.

Sources:


1. "Sarah Palin," Wikipedia, Accessed August 29, 2008
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin

2. "McCain Selects Anti-Choice Sarah Palin as Running Mate," NARAL Pro-Choice America, August 29, 2008
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17515&id=13661-6150173-CCcS9Px&t=1

3. "Sarah Palin, Buchananite," The Nation, August 29, 2008
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17736&id=13661-6150173-CCcS9Px&t=2


4. "'Creation science' enters the race," Anchorage Daily News, October 27, 2006
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17737&id=13661-6150173-CCcS9Px&t=3

5. "Palin buys climate denial PR spin—ignores science," Huffington Post, August 29, 2008
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17517&id=13661-6150173-CCcS9Px&t=4

6. " McCain VP Pick Completes Shift to Bush Energy Policy," Sierra Club, August 29, 2008
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17518&id=13661-6150173-CCcS9Px&t=5

"Choice of Palin Promises Failed Energy Policies of the Past," League of Conservation Voters, August 29, 2008
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17519&id=13661-6150173-CCcS9Px&t=6

"Protecting polar bears gets in way of drilling for oil, says governor," The Times of London, May 23, 2008
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17520&id=13661-6150173-CCcS9Px&t=7

7 "McCain met Palin once before yesterday," MSNBC , August 29, 2008
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=21119&id=13661-6150173-CCcS9Px&t=8




Lil Dancer, quite a diatribe against our Sarah. Why are you soooo angry, or should I say worried?

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Gee JUNGLEJIM...I found your source...good old DAILY KOS...a site specifically set up to be an advocate for the Democratic party.....oh,and JUNGLEJIM....the article I read there didnt say what you said....things like "Sarah Palin left the finances of her town Wasilla in tatters when she moved on in 2002" or things like "But Palin screwed the process up badly."

OH NO...I got that wrong...while an article does exist in DAILYKOS...your post was EXACTLY EXACTLY the post from a message board on GOOGLE..a poker gambling site I think, where that poster was rebuked for taking a story that DID NOT EVEN MENTION HER NAME and added what you posted..

Here is where you copied it from.....if anyone wants to check..

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.gambling.poker/browse_thread/thread/8dc7e93b22f71c20

I know you appreciate me calling this to your attention !!!!!

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Actually it was from here.
http://www.examiner.com/miami
But who am I to argue with a Know it all.

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Actually it was from here.
http://www.examiner.com/miami
But who am I to argue with a Know it all.
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I am no where close to knowing even1/16 of it all.....I DO KNOW ...

..YOUR POST ON THIS IS WORD FOR WORD...COMMA FOR COMMA...PERIOD FOR PERIOD from a poster on the board on poker in Google.

...THAT POST WAS DEBUNKED TOTALLY...and here is the article that was used by that poster you copied from....DID NOT EVEN MENTION PALINs name..

http://www.adn.com/matsu/story/474934.html

...THE LINK YOU JUST SUPPLIED has no mention of what you say..NONE.

What I do know is I cant think of what to say to anyone who would do something like this.

PLEASE show me where I am wrong...in this case I really want to be wrong and not believe that someone would do this !

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Lil Dancer, quite a diatribe against our Sarah. Why are you soooo angry, or should I say worried?


You folks are pretty funny. After months of questioning obama's credentials, when Sarah Palin's credentials are listed you all get pretty huffy. The truth hurts, doesn't it?

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You folks are pretty funny. After months of questioning obama's credentials, when Sarah Palin's credentials are listed you all get pretty huffy. The truth hurts, doesn't it?
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1. I havent heard Sen Obama's credentials as of yet

2. Using a source such as MOVEON to slam someone you oppose is pretty lame. (sort of like what JUNGLEJIM did on here)

3. Not huffy.....just want to discuss Sen Obama and his training and mentors that make him so eligible for this job ! Then after that...want to go over the issues and see where we stack up..

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Pretty much the same story is here.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12987.html

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[quote=Lil Dancer[/quote]
Who is Sarah Palin? Here's some basic background: (my comments are in italics)

She was elected Alaska 's governor a little over a year and a half ago. Her previous office was mayor of Wasilla, a small town outside Anchorage. She has no foreign policy experience. But she does have domestic public adminstration experience - something that none of the three Senators in the race have.

Palin is strongly anti-choice, opposing abortion even in the case of rape or incest. As are many other people for all sorts of reasons (me, included). When we kill the most indefensible among us because they are inconvenient and too young to resist, it's not a far jump to kill those who are inconvenient and too old to resist.

She supported right-wing extremist Pat Buchanan for president in 2000. So? I voted for Jesse Jackson, Ross Perot and George Bush. At least she isn't a main-stream lemming-type follower.

Palin thinks creationism should be taught in public schools. So, she doesn't believe mankind is a descendant of pond scum and the dinosaur. Many others don't either. The last time I checked, Darwin's "missing ]

She's doesn't think humans are the cause of climate change. [i]Planet Earth has evolved many times in its history, and no one can say what it's true temperature and clilmate is supposed to be. EVERYTHING causes climate change, and mankind is not as important as it thinks it is.

She's solidly in line with John McCain's "Big Oil first" energy policy. She's pushed hard for more oil drilling and says renewables won't be ready for years. She also sued the Bush administration for listing polar bears as an endangered species—she was worried it would interfere with more oil drilling in Alaska. What surprises me is that people in Florida, Illinois, New York and California seem to think they know what's better for Alaska than Alaskans, and at the same time don't want anyone interfering with their State's Rights.

How closely did John McCain vet this choice? He met Sarah Palin once at a meeting. They spoke a second time, last Sunday, when he called her about being vice-president. Then he offered her the position. One would think this choice was thoughtful and deliberate. Sen. McCain hasn't done anything I've seen that constitutes recklessness.

In addcition, she is VERY, VERY conservative, and far from perfect. She's a hunter and fisherwoman, but votes against the environment again and again. She ran on ethics reform, but is currently under investigation for several charges involving hiring and firing of state officials. She has NO experience beyond Alaska. Not to sound too religious, but the last perfect person I've been told to walk this Planet was crucified - everyone else IS far from perfect. As surprising as it may seem, hunters and fisher[wo]men are probably the MOST environmentally concerned people in this country and elsewhere. They appreciate the environment from up-close-and-personal, and not from Manhattan high-rises or other urban pueblos. Yes, there is an investigation concerning an alleged incident in Alaska - as there will probably be one about untra-special mortgage deals for a certain Senator from a Chicago "businessman." And until just a couple dozen months ago, Sen. Obama was still working in Illinois - and his DC experience, based on his record of missed votes, doesn't add to much...

I'm also looking for as much scrutiny of Gov Palin as I am of the 3 Senators in the race. I don't expect it all to be rosy and perfect for her, as it surely isn't for the 3 Senators. However, there seems to be a bitterness being shown towards this Vice Presidential candidate, with forced comparisons to her versus the Democratic Presidential candidate. Gov. Palin as VP as opposed to Sen. Biden would seem like the natural comparison. If that's not the case, and its viewed as an Obama-Palin campaign, the good Senator's record of public adminstration and responsiblity may be seen as lacking....

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You folks are pretty funny. After months of questioning obama's credentials, when Sarah Palin's credentials are listed you all get pretty huffy. The truth hurts, doesn't it?
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2. Using a source such as MOVEON to slam someone you oppose is pretty lame. (sort of like what JUNGLEJIM did on here)

Apparently you didn't read the sources of the information, including: The Nation, Anchorage Daily News, Sierra Club, League of Conservation Voters, The Times of London, MSNBC. So all these sources are lame?

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Pretty much the same story is here.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12987.html
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Gee JUNGLEJIM...I still dont see what you posted earlier.....how come ?

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Quote from: Bucco on Today at 07:25:39 PM
You folks are pretty funny. After months of questioning obama's credentials, when Sarah Palin's credentials are listed you all get pretty huffy. The truth hurts, doesn't it?
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2. Using a source such as MOVEON to slam someone you oppose is pretty lame. (sort of like what JUNGLEJIM did on here)

Apparently you didn't read the sources of the information, including: The Nation, Anchorage Daily News, Sierra Club, League of Conservation Voters, The Times of London, MSNBC. So all these sources are lame?
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Gee whiz Lil DANCER....you forgot to copy and paste ALL OF MY REMARKS..and you forgot to respond to them...so just to help you out...here they are...

1. I havent heard Sen Obama's credentials as of yet

2. Using a source such as MOVEON to slam someone you oppose is pretty lame. (sort of like what JUNGLEJIM did on here)

3. Not huffy.....just want to discuss Sen Obama and his training and mentors that make him so eligible for this job ! Then after that...want to go over the issues and see where we stack up..

Now you will be able to respond....you are welcome !

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Here is the source.

http://www.examiner.com/r-1882524~Some_things_you_didn_t_know_about_Sarah_Pa lin.html

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August 29, 2008
Steve Benen

PALIN AND THE BRIDGE TO NOWHERE.... John McCain's introduction of Sarah Palin as his running mate this afternoon was an interesting sight. If you watch the video carefully, and I hope you do, notice that in order to tell the audience his running mate's name, he had to carefully read it from a script. That's really not a good sign.

Palin's speech was rather routine, but there was a paragraph that stood out for me:

"...I championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress. In fact, I told Congress -- I told Congress, 'Thanks, but no thanks,' on that bridge to nowhere. If our state wanted a bridge, I said we'd build it ourselves."


The McCain campaign has been flagging this pretty aggressively this afternoon. It's a shame, then, that Palin wasn't exactly telling the truth. As TNR's Brad Plumer explained, Palin actually supported the funding for the much-derided bridge project.

That's not a good start for her very first public appearance as the Republicans' VP candidate.

I'd add, by the way, that her reference to earmark spending is itself problematic. For all of McCain's alleged disgust for pork, Palin's Alaska receives more earmarks than any other state.

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So here's an independent thought from Junglejim.

Sarah Palin is lying because someone from TNR ,whatever that is, says so. Thats
it for me she must be lying!

Alaska gets earmarks from the Democratically controlled congress. The only body in government who can spend money. Of which the governor has no control.

nice try. Benj

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August 29, 2008
Steve Benen




Why exactly should anyone care about unsubstantiated opinions of some guy named Steve Benen? As far as we know, he's just some pimply-faced kid living in his parent's basement and typing this stuff when he's not surfing for porn.

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Quote from: Bucco on Today at 07:25:39 PM
You folks are pretty funny. After months of questioning obama's credentials, when Sarah Palin's credentials are listed you all get pretty huffy. The truth hurts, doesn't it?
__________________________________________________ _______-

2. Using a source such as MOVEON to slam someone you oppose is pretty lame. (sort of like what JUNGLEJIM did on here)

Apparently you didn't read the sources of the information, including: The Nation, Anchorage Daily News, Sierra Club, League of Conservation Voters, The Times of London, MSNBC. So all these sources are lame?
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Gee whiz Lil DANCER....you forgot to copy and paste ALL OF MY REMARKS..and you forgot to respond to them...so just to help you out...here they are...

1. I havent heard Sen Obama's credentials as of yet. We have posted his credentials many times, referred you to his website, etc., and you choose to ignore the information.

2. Using a source such as MOVEON to slam someone you oppose is pretty lame. (sort of like what JUNGLEJIM did on here). You apparently didn't grasp that the sources that Moveon used included: The Nation, Anchorage Daily News, Sierra Club, League of Conservation Voters, The Times of London, MSNBC.

3. Not huffy.....just want to discuss Sen Obama and his training and mentors that make him so eligible for this job ! Then after that...want to go over the issues and see where we stack up..Have already discussed his Harvard training, his years as legislator in Illinois and in the Senate, and his intellectual capacity. The people you claim to be his mentors are not. Basically, your mind is set, and you just don't listen or are incapable of "getting it".

Now you will be able to respond....you are welcome !

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LILDANCER...

I dont want to get into a contest here...this board is supposed to be a discussion of issues. I can get to Sen Obama's website and have been there many times. That, TO ME, is NOT discussing issues in anyway. I do not support all of Sen McCains proposals nor do I disagree with all of Sen Obama's proposals. I simply wanted to discuss issues...referring me to the candidates website is not discussing. Perhaps I have misunderstood what DISCUSSING ISSUES means.

As far as those you say were NOT Sen Obama's mentors, HE CALLED THEM HIS MENTORS...NOT ME ! I do not know what else to say to you...HE SAID IT...NOT ME,NOT THE PRESS, NOT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY...HE CALLED THEM HIS MENTORS.

Again, perhaps I am confused about a discussion board....copying and pasting nasty emails and spin from sources that spin is NOT DISCUSSING (THAT applies to BOTH SIDESOF THE AISLE)...NOT saying you did that...simply stating that DISCUSSION seems to be something that is avoided at all costs. Searching the internet for bad things to say about the candidate you oppose is not discussion..and NOT saying you did that either.

It is just frustrating to ASK to discuss issues and get cut and pasted stuff.

For the record, I personallly, have never questioned his Harvard training, his few years as a legislator in Illinois and his few months in the senate nor his intellectual capacity. So please dont lay that at my feet...it never happened. I mentioned only those HE CALLED HIS MENTORS and his past associates and never in a disrespectful manner that I know of.

I also dont respond well to MOVEON nor any right wing propaganda site and if I offended your allegiance to them I am sorry. I, personally, just have no respect for those kind of sites and find that is the problem with politics today.....you either have to be one way or the other and it is not that simple. Those kind of places simply detract from what used to be a honorable calling...ie., being a statesman. If you think that MOVEON or several right wing sites would ever give you the entire story, then you are just simply wrong..they will not ever.

Again, I have ignored nothing...simply wanted to have DISCUSSION....seems that is not what you are here for and I am sorry if I have offended your political leanings...that was not my intent !

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LILDANCER...

I dont want to get into a contest here...this board is supposed to be a discussion of issues. I can get to Sen Obama's website and have been there many times. That, TO ME, is NOT discussing issues in anyway. I do not support all of Sen McCains proposals nor do I disagree with all of Sen Obama's proposals. I simply wanted to discuss issues...referring me to the candidates website is not discussing. Perhaps I have misunderstood what DISCUSSING ISSUES means.

As far as those you say were NOT Sen Obama's mentors, HE CALLED THEM HIS MENTORS...NOT ME ! I do not know what else to say to you...HE SAID IT...NOT ME,NOT THE PRESS, NOT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY...HE CALLED THEM HIS MENTORS.

Again, perhaps I am confused about a discussion board....copying and pasting nasty emails and spin from sources that spin is NOT DISCUSSING (THAT applies to BOTH SIDESOF THE AISLE)...NOT saying you did that...simply stating that DISCUSSION seems to be something that is avoided at all costs. Searching the internet for bad things to say about the candidate you oppose is not discussion..and NOT saying you did that either.

It is just frustrating to ASK to discuss issues and get cut and pasted stuff.

For the record, I personallly, have never questioned his Harvard training, his few years as a legislator in Illinois and his few months in the senate nor his intellectual capacity. So please dont lay that at my feet...it never happened. I mentioned only those HE CALLED HIS MENTORS and his past associates and never in a disrespectful manner that I know of.

I also dont respond well to MOVEON nor any right wing propaganda site and if I offended your allegiance to them I am sorry. I, personally, just have no respect for those kind of sites and find that is the problem with politics today.....you either have to be one way or the other and it is not that simple. Those kind of places simply detract from what used to be a honorable calling...ie., being a statesman. If you think that MOVEON or several right wing sites would ever give you the entire story, then you are just simply wrong..they will not ever.

Again, I have ignored nothing...simply wanted to have DISCUSSION....seems that is not what you are here for and I am sorry if I have offended your political leanings...that was not my intent !





There you go again. you just don't seem to be able to intellectually grasp that the sources were : The Nation, Anchorage Daily News, Sierra Club, League of Conservation Voters, The Times of London, MSNBC.

These are not fringe sites, they are credible sources. What is your problem? Why are you writing them off?

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There you go again. you just don't seem to be able to intellectually grasp that the sources were : The Nation, Anchorage Daily News, Sierra Club, League of Conservation Voters, The Times of London, MSNBC.

These are not fringe sites, they are credible sources. What is your problem? Why are you writing them off?
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LILDANCER.....

I DID NOT WRITE OFF ANY OF THEM. I said that organizations like MOVEON and also right wing sites that mirror them WILL NEVER GIVE YOU BOTH SIDES OF A STORY. They will simply give you what suits them out of context, etc. THAT IS WHY IF IT IS DISTRIBUTED BY ANY OF THEM IT IS SUSPECT in my opinion.

I can not imagine relying on such a site (and remember I include those who are right wing and do the same thing) for myinformation.....it is skewed AT BEST...it is not reporting...it is spinning. IT IS NOT TO ME A SOURCE. They will cut and paste anything negative about folks they oppose..they will give it out of context.

I am TOTALLY SUSPECT OF ANYTHING THAT MOVEON SAYS (AGAIN..also any right wings site like it). They are money makers who have on object.....crush and smear the opponent...and PLEASE I AM SPEAKING NOT ONLY OF MOVEON....but they are not news reporting agencies and they will ALWAYS DELIVER OUT OF CONTEXT ITEMS.

Anything referenced by them automatically to me is trash......that is not questioning where they got what they delivered but I can assure you....WITHOUT ANY DOUBT AT ALL. It is out of context and if the same source reported anything that was not a slam at the Republicans they will never allow it to see the light of day on their site or in any of their constant emails.

I hope that clarifies that for you....I cannot be much clearer...well,maybe so as this medium is tough for me to communicate in !

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Hey Dancer

I think what Bucco and many others including me have asked of all you lefties is WHAT DO YOU THINK? Can YOU discuss Obama's policys and plans? Can YOU articulate or argue the results of his policy's or plans. I'll bet you can't because even the brightest people in the country can't because Obama cant espouse them himself. Only generalities and vague references to CHANGE and HOPE.
Maybe you can intellectualy grasp that he is looking for YOUR thoughts and not some web site or another to answer them for you. Do you have anything original to say??? Benj

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Quote LIL Dancer

"There you go again. you just don't seem to be able to intellectually grasp that the sources were : The Nation, Anchorage Daily News, Sierra Club, League of Conservation Voters, The Times of London, MSNBC.

These are not fringe sites, they are credible sources. What is your problem? Why are you writing them off? "

Credible sources?? OMG talk about UNfair and UNbalanced these folks are
OK My Opinion
That being said, why can't we like Bucco said have a discussion instead of a fight?[center]
[center]Handie :joke:

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Has anyone heard the rumor that Sarah Palin's baby is really her daughter, Bristol's baby? I doubt this could be true. Surely she was vetted and this would have come out.

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Has anyone heard the rumor that Sarah Palin's baby is really her daughter, Bristol's baby? I doubt this could be true. Surely she was vetted and this would have come out.


Wow, Avista, if I didn't think that rumor was true... I don't think I would repeat gossip. :edit:
I think politics are sinking pretty low when the children of people running for office are attacked by rumors. It's despicable. No one has a problem divulging the truth but facts need to be the truth before they are spread around and ruin a reputation.

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Peachie -You just repeated the rumor!

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Alex, I quoted Avista's rumor and more or less put Avista on the carpet for spreading the rumor. Your attempt to advocate the attack on children of candidates does not impress me.

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You seem to be good at telling other people what to do.....Here is some advice for you.

The more attention you give a rumor,the more people will hear it!!

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You're right, Alex, I have no tolerance for attacks on children and you're working pretty hard to keep that posted attack going. I don't know your agenda and I'm not interested.

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Alex

Let me guess...You used to be a republican but now your an independent...Benj

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Benj, I was concerned about ANY candidate's children being made the target of rumors, innuendo or attacks. The children aren't running for office and the political party doesn't make any difference.

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Has anyone heard the rumor that Sarah Palin's baby is really her daughter, Bristol's baby? I doubt this could be true. Surely she was vetted and this would have come out.


Just curious ... Are these the kind of posts you dems are proud of??? Benj

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I'm not a "political" poster and I stay away from gossip but thought I would clear up the rumor about Sarah Palin's daughter/baby. I just read on MSN news that Sara Palin's 17 year old daughter is pregnant and decided on her own to keep the baby. She will be getting married to the father of the child. This news was released because of the "rumor" that has been circulating. McCain was aware of this fact before he made his announcement/decision. As we all know, our children/grandchildren are growing up way too fast!!

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Having a child at the age of 17 is a daunting prospect. The pregnancy of her teenage daughter does not reflect in any way on who Sara Palin is or on her candidacy. Good luck and God Bless to the whole family.

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When asked about the story he replied, "Let's keep the families out of this."

Good idea, Barack.

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Who is Sarah Palin? Here's some basic background:


She was elected Alaska 's governor a little over a year and a half ago. Her previous office was mayor of Wasilla, a small town outside Anchorage. She has no foreign policy experience. 1

Palin is strongly anti-choice, opposing abortion even in the case of rape or incest.2

She supported right-wing extremist Pat Buchanan for president in 2000. 3

Palin thinks creationism should be taught in public schools.4

She's doesn't think humans are the cause of climate change. 5

She's solidly in line with John McCain's "Big Oil first" energy policy. She's pushed hard for more oil drilling and says renewables won't be ready for years. She also sued the Bush administration for listing polar bears as an endangered species—she was worried it would interfere with more oil drilling in Alaska.6

How closely did John McCain vet this choice? He met Sarah Palin once at a meeting. They spoke a second time, last Sunday, when he called her about being vice-president. Then he offered her the position.7

In addcition, she is VERY, VERY conservative, and far from perfect. She's a hunter and fisherwoman, but votes against the environment again and again. She ran on ethics reform, but is currently under investigation for several charges involving hiring and firing of state officials. She has NO experience beyond Alaska.

Sources:


1. "Sarah Palin," Wikipedia, Accessed August 29, 2008
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin

2. "McCain Selects Anti-Choice Sarah Palin as Running Mate," NARAL Pro-Choice America, August 29, 2008
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17515&id=13661-6150173-CCcS9Px&t=1

3. "Sarah Palin, Buchananite," The Nation, August 29, 2008
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17736&id=13661-6150173-CCcS9Px&t=2


4. "'Creation science' enters the race," Anchorage Daily News, October 27, 2006
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17737&id=13661-6150173-CCcS9Px&t=3

5. "Palin buys climate denial PR spin—ignores science," Huffington Post, August 29, 2008
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17517&id=13661-6150173-CCcS9Px&t=4

6. " McCain VP Pick Completes Shift to Bush Energy Policy," Sierra Club, August 29, 2008
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17518&id=13661-6150173-CCcS9Px&t=5

"Choice of Palin Promises Failed Energy Policies of the Past," League of Conservation Voters, August 29, 2008
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17519&id=13661-6150173-CCcS9Px&t=6

"Protecting polar bears gets in way of drilling for oil, says governor," The Times of London, May 23, 2008
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17520&id=13661-6150173-CCcS9Px&t=7

7 "McCain met Palin once before yesterday," MSNBC , August 29, 2008
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=21119&id=13661-6150173-CCcS9Px&t=8


you trust move on.org, gotta be kidding, could tell you a few things there that would just blow your mind, but why...you will not listen...I'll wait until the debates to learn about her, time is too early to judge, do you believe anything you read!!