Pope continues to step out of line of his position

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He may be the pope but he is not qualified to tell other governing bodies how to run their businesses. Hoe it affects the religious and moral aspects yes. But to come out ans take sides i.e. consrvatives vs democrats is totally and completely wrong.

The media pumping up how this pope aligns with the Obama agenda is a contrived plan attempting to validate Obama's agenda.

Shame on the pope for not sticking to his business and electing to play the political game. He has dropped several notches in my opinion of the man not the position of pope:

Francis takes Congress to task on immigration, abortion, gay marriage and the Syrian refugee crisis as he insists on 'Golden Rule' approach to politics in first-ever Capitol Hill address by a sitting pontiff | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3247609/Francis-takes-Congress-task-immigration-abortion-gay-marriage-Syrian-refugee-crisis-insists-Golden-Rule-approach-politics-Capitol-Hill-address-sitting-pontiff.html)

Acting like just another politician!!

[Guest]

And he's wearing white after labor day, what is this man thinking?

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And he's wearing white after labor day, what is this man thinking?

:thumbup: Not bad.

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IMO, the Pope may be an expert when it come to the catholic religion but not much else.

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He has desended from his position on high into the gutter of politics. And to make it even worse he has chosen to present himself as a liberal. And even double worse yet (if possible) to allow himself to be quoted by the Obama spin machine as having a similar agenda.

He could have easily stayed on the high ground and talked about each of the issues from a spiritual religious, all for mankind perspective.

Bad move pope. You lost me as a supporter and many others I suspect.

He should have been smart enough to leave the politics to the lawyers, the liars, the untrustworthy, unethical folks.

[Guest]

He may be the pope but he is not qualified to tell other governing bodies how to run their businesses. Hoe it affects the religious and moral aspects yes. But to come out ans take sides i.e. consrvatives vs democrats is totally and completely wrong.

The media pumping up how this pope aligns with the Obama agenda is a contrived plan attempting to validate Obama's agenda.

Shame on the pope for not sticking to his business and electing to play the political game. He has dropped several notches in my opinion of the man not the position of pope:

Francis takes Congress to task on immigration, abortion, gay marriage and the Syrian refugee crisis as he insists on 'Golden Rule' approach to politics in first-ever Capitol Hill address by a sitting pontiff | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3247609/Francis-takes-Congress-task-immigration-abortion-gay-marriage-Syrian-refugee-crisis-insists-Golden-Rule-approach-politics-Capitol-Hill-address-sitting-pontiff.html)

Acting like just another politician!!

Your post is probably one of the best examples I've seen on this forum of what is wrong with this once great country. What a sad commentary on what we've become.

[Guest]

Just watched the same 177 democratic representatives that voted against defunding Planned Parenthood give the Pope a standing ovation for stating life should be protected at all stages of development. I believe the term for this among Vietnam era draftees was "Regular Army Pukes"

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Just watched the same 177 democratic representatives that voted against defunding Planned Parenthood give the Pope a standing ovation for stating life should be protected at all stages of development. I believe the term for this among Vietnam era draftees was "Regular Army Pukes"

:agree:

177 total hypocrites. 177 scumbags.

[Guest]

Your post is probably one of the best examples I've seen on this forum of what is wrong with this once great country. What a sad commentary on what we've become.

WOW!

At times, like it or not, the minority report is hereby acknowledged.

[Guest]

if anyone is interested on what the Pope is REALLY saying, not snippets from the media designed to make him appear to support Obama's agenda, there is excellent coverage on EWTN channel 243 on comcast. did you know he visited the Little Sisters of the Poor who are embroiled in suing the Obama adminitration over the ACA mandates? of course not, the liberal media would never show that. now he is about to help feed the homeless (most of whom are mentally ill) and join them for lunch. Caring for our environment is a far cry from selling carbon credits and something we all can agree on. He has praised business as a creator of wealth and a help for the common good in creating jobs.... Maybe reading an encyclical or two would show you his real positions.

[Guest]

Just a week ago these same people were in an uproar because a few gays would be sprinkled among 15,000 people invited to the White Lawn to hear the Pope speak.

Now when he speaks they turn on him!!!!

Right Wing numnuts

[Guest]

Just a week ago these same people were in an uproar because a few gays would be sprinkled among 15,000 people invited to the White Lawn to hear the Pope speak.

Now when he speaks they turn on him!!!!

Right Wing numnuts

Some of us make commentary based on our individual belief or opinions. We have the opportunity to say good or bad, up or down, yes or no, like or dislike, etc based upon those beliefs or opinions.

Then there are those who can only address what or who they view as the opposition. There is never a dialogue, just bashing and name calling of anything that is not in line with their belief or opinion. So in essence they never ever get to express their true self. There is no time or not allowed. They must march to the beat of the drum, speaking what is directed to be spoken. Living on a one way street. Hallucinating is a common side effect.

[Guest]

Jesus would be proud of the popes message. Perhaps if he called punishment for the poor would go over bigger in the villages.

[Guest]

Jesus would be proud of the popes message. Perhaps if he called punishment for the poor would go over bigger in the villages.

Totally uncalled for.
And Jesus never injected himself into the politics of Rome

[Guest]

Jesus would be proud of the popes message. Perhaps if he called punishment for the poor would go over bigger in the villages.

Just when we think some have presented the most bizarre, stupid, off the wall, no sense at all commentary along come one that proves it can get a lot worse.

Congratulations for the most insulting, makes no sense gutter shot.
:eclipsee_gold_cup::eclipsee_gold_cup: you earned it

[Guest]

Just when we think some have presented the most bizarre, stupid, off the wall, no sense at all commentary along come one that proves it can get a lot worse.

Congratulations for the most insulting, makes no sense gutter shot.
:eclipsee_gold_cup::eclipsee_gold_cup: you earned it

The sad part is that someone will beat it

[Guest]

Jesus would be proud of the popes message. Perhaps if he called punishment for the poor would go over bigger in the villages.

Punishing morons, like you and your moronic comment, might in fact be a good idea now that you mention it

[Guest]

The Pope seems like a decent enough man, but since I am not a Catholic I do not subscribe to kissing his ring. I won't even kiss Billy Graham's ring and I have a lot more respect for him as being instrumental in the salvation of thousands. I don't wish to take away from anyone's ideal of the Pope, but he is a man and every man has an opinion. Just because he has a position, does not make him any more right than Obama. Bad analogy, considering Obama is never right. Take his blessings if you are Catholic and just disregard his politics. He is after all from a socialist country, so that would have a certain amount of influence on his politics.

I do find it interesting that liberals would defend a holy man when most of them seem to be non-believing atheists. Just my opinion. Good for you guys! Maybe you can learn something from the Pope as you defend him.

[Guest]

Having gone to a Jesuit university I can tell you they are free thinkers, and the first Jesuit pope appears to be putting some in overload.

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Having gone to a Jesuit university I can tell you they are free thinkers, and the first Jesuit pope appears to be putting some in overload.


Ditto. I also went to a Jesuit university. According to doctrine the pope is supposed to be infallible on matters of theology and morals, not science and economics - and this pope is way off on the latter two areas. His economic theory is obviously based on his having grown up in Marxist Venezuela.

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Ditto. I also went to a Jesuit university. According to doctrine the pope is supposed to be infallible on matters of theology and morals, not science and economics - and this pope is way off on the latter two areas. His economic theory is obviously based on his having grown up in Marxist Venezuela.

Believe you meant Peronista Argentina ... but your point is clear.

[Guest]

Believe you meant Peronista Argentina ... but your point is clear.


Thanks for the correction.

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Ditto. I also went to a Jesuit university. According to doctrine the pope is supposed to be infallible on matters of theology and morals, not science and economics - and this pope is way off on the latter two areas. His economic theory is obviously based on his having grown up in Marxist Venezuela.

You may have a point in that regard. There was only one perfect person on this earth, and HE wasn't a Pope.

[Guest]

You may have a point in that regard. There was only one perfect person on this earth, and HE wasn't a Pope.


Amen!

[Guest]

By Mike Garcia Monday, 31 Aug 2015

Pope Francis upset many conservatives when he released his encyclical on climate change this summer, but it's certainly not the first time he's raised eyebrows. The pontiff's past comments on homosexuality, capitalism, and international geopolitics have also ruffled those on the right.

Gathered below are 22 past statements by the pope that prove he's a consistent leftist.

1. He has called for centralized redistribution of wealth.

2. He has contradicted the teachings of past popes.

3. He has decried "inequality" as "the root of social ills."

4. He has rejected the most basic tenets of market-based capitalism.

5. He has rejected basic tenets of personal liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

6. He has praised a children's book promoting homosexual coupling.

7. He has spoken at length about the need to combat climate change.

8. He has defended homosexuality.

9. He has downplayed issues important to conservatives.

10. He has alienated many devout Catholics.

11. He has criticized the institution of the Catholic church.

12. He has criticized his fellow priests, and past Catholic leaders.

13. He has discouraged evangelism of the Christian faith.

14. He has criticized free-market capitalism.

15. He accepted a blasphemous crucifix from communist Bolivian President Evo Morales.

16. He has defended labor unions.

17. He has criticized fruitful Catholic families.

18. He has seemingly advocated for cultural relativism.

19. He has encouraged more liberal academic traditions supported by many Jesuits.

20. He has offered friendly visits to cruel dictators like Cuban President Raúl Castro.

21. He will deliver mass in Cuba under a communist Che Guevara portrait.

22. He has softened church rules regarding divorce and remarriage.


Personal Best Regards:

[Guest]

By Mike Garcia Monday, 31 Aug 2015

Pope Francis upset many conservatives when he released his encyclical on climate change this summer, but it's certainly not the first time he's raised eyebrows. The pontiff's past comments on homosexuality, capitalism, and international geopolitics have also ruffled those on the right.

Gathered below are 22 past statements by the pope that prove he's a consistent leftist.

1. He has called for centralized redistribution of wealth.

2. He has contradicted the teachings of past popes.

3. He has decried "inequality" as "the root of social ills."

4. He has rejected the most basic tenets of market-based capitalism.

5. He has rejected basic tenets of personal liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

6. He has praised a children's book promoting homosexual coupling.

7. He has spoken at length about the need to combat climate change.

8. He has defended homosexuality.

9. He has downplayed issues important to conservatives.

10. He has alienated many devout Catholics.

11. He has criticized the institution of the Catholic church.

12. He has criticized his fellow priests, and past Catholic leaders.

13. He has discouraged evangelism of the Christian faith.

14. He has criticized free-market capitalism.

15. He accepted a blasphemous crucifix from communist Bolivian President Evo Morales.

16. He has defended labor unions.

17. He has criticized fruitful Catholic families.

18. He has seemingly advocated for cultural relativism.

19. He has encouraged more liberal academic traditions supported by many Jesuits.

20. He has offered friendly visits to cruel dictators like Cuban President Raúl Castro.

21. He will deliver mass in Cuba under a communist Che Guevara portrait.

22. He has softened church rules regarding divorce and remarriage.


Personal Best Regards:

In other words, his politics suck. But he should be apolitical, the leader of one of the worlds great religions, not involved in all the climate change and income equality crap. Give mass, encourage good works, wave at people, but get out of politics

[Guest]

Regarding same sex marriages, the Pope said:

“A marriage (made up of man and woman) is not the same as the union of two people of the same sex. To distinguish is not to discriminate but to respect differences… At a time when we place emphasis on the richness of pluralism and social and cultural diversity, it is a contradiction to minimise fundamental human differences. A father is not the same as a mother. We cannot teach future generations that preparing yourself for planning a family based on the stable relationship between a man and a woman is the same as living with a person of the same sex.”

He is trying to be PC but still states that marriage is between one man and one wife.

[Guest]

Regarding same sex marriages, the Pope said:

“A marriage (made up of man and woman) is not the same as the union of two people of the same sex. To distinguish is not to discriminate but to respect differences… At a time when we place emphasis on the richness of pluralism and social and cultural diversity, it is a contradiction to minimise fundamental human differences. A father is not the same as a mother. We cannot teach future generations that preparing yourself for planning a family based on the stable relationship between a man and a woman is the same as living with a person of the same sex.”

He is trying to be PC but still states that marriage is between one man and one wife.

Agreed. But why wade thru all the PC jargon to get to the point. He's the POPE. Just say what you mean. After all, he's "infallible", so just get on with it.

[Guest]

Agreed. But why wade thru all the PC jargon to get to the point. He's the POPE. Just say what you mean. After all, he's "infallible", so just get on with it.

Since I am not Catholic, he is NOT "infallible." He's just a man in a high position. There are plenty of men in high positions. And they all make mistakes that are highly publicized.

[Guest]

Since I am not Catholic, he is NOT "infallible." He's just a man in a high position. There are plenty of men in high positions. And they all make mistakes that are highly publicized.

I'm not Catholic either, so that's why infallible is in quotation marks. But there are plenty who believe he is, so I have no problem with their beliefs. In either case, there really is no proof one way or the other, so maybe he is and maybe he isn't. But that's in matters of faith. Making a foray into politics is a whole different thing

[Guest]

In response to the first few posts ,do you think that is really why the last pope retired. I remember hearing this pope talk about bridging the gap of Christians and muslims. Where do you think we will go from here.

[Guest]

By Mike Garcia Monday, 31 Aug 2015

Pope Francis upset many conservatives when he released his encyclical on climate change this summer, but it's certainly not the first time he's raised eyebrows. The pontiff's past comments on homosexuality, capitalism, and international geopolitics have also ruffled those on the right.

Gathered below are 22 past statements by the pope that prove he's a consistent leftist.

1. He has called for centralized redistribution of wealth.

2. He has contradicted the teachings of past popes.

3. He has decried "inequality" as "the root of social ills."

4. He has rejected the most basic tenets of market-based capitalism.

5. He has rejected basic tenets of personal liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

6. He has praised a children's book promoting homosexual coupling.

7. He has spoken at length about the need to combat climate change.

8. He has defended homosexuality.

9. He has downplayed issues important to conservatives.

10. He has alienated many devout Catholics.

11. He has criticized the institution of the Catholic church.

12. He has criticized his fellow priests, and past Catholic leaders.

13. He has discouraged evangelism of the Christian faith.

14. He has criticized free-market capitalism.

15. He accepted a blasphemous crucifix from communist Bolivian President Evo Morales.

16. He has defended labor unions.

17. He has criticized fruitful Catholic families.

18. He has seemingly advocated for cultural relativism.

19. He has encouraged more liberal academic traditions supported by many Jesuits.

20. He has offered friendly visits to cruel dictators like Cuban President Raúl Castro.

21. He will deliver mass in Cuba under a communist Che Guevara portrait.

22. He has softened church rules regarding divorce and remarriage.


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Very Obama-ish. As was said in several reports during his visit....."...the two seem to have similar agendas..."

This pope needs to stick to the business of the church or he will be the cause of more catholics leaving the fold.
While in criticism mode, I did not care for the fact he said his first mass here not in english. However he deliverd his speech to congress today in english.
So what does that signal?

He prides himself on speaking the language of the country he visits.
When in America he should have used english.

[Guest]

In response to the first few posts ,do you think that is really why the last pope retired. I remember hearing this pope talk about bridging the gap of Christians and muslims. Where do you think we will go from here.

The gap between Christians and Muslims, at the rate we're going, will be bridged when the Muslims behead the last Christian they can find and the rest are terrorized into following the religion of Muhammed.

Take a look at the Middle east today ... and also look up the history of the jihad in the 7th century AD

Americans are basically too insulated and too ignorant to know what they're up against long term ... plus the secularism and gay culture makes us more vulnerable.

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He has desended from his position on high into the gutter of politics. And to make it even worse he has chosen to present himself as a liberal. And even double worse yet (if possible) to allow himself to be quoted by the Obama spin machine as having a similar agenda.

He could have easily stayed on the high ground and talked about each of the issues from a spiritual religious, all for mankind perspective.

Bad move pope. You lost me as a supporter and many others I suspect.

He should have been smart enough to leave the politics to the lawyers, the liars, the untrustworthy, unethical folks.

Sounds like you have nominated yourself as judge, jury and God.

[Guest]

Sounds like you have nominated yourself as judge, jury and God.

Sounds to me like a Regressive - and they always think of themselves as being equal to God and above humankind.

[Guest]

He may be the pope but he is not qualified to tell other governing bodies how to run their businesses. Hoe it affects the religious and moral aspects yes. But to come out ans take sides i.e. consrvatives vs democrats is totally and completely wrong.

The media pumping up how this pope aligns with the Obama agenda is a contrived plan attempting to validate Obama's agenda.

Shame on the pope for not sticking to his business and electing to play the political game. He has dropped several notches in my opinion of the man not the position of pope:

Francis takes Congress to task on immigration, abortion, gay marriage and the Syrian refugee crisis as he insists on 'Golden Rule' approach to politics in first-ever Capitol Hill address by a sitting pontiff | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3247609/Francis-takes-Congress-task-immigration-abortion-gay-marriage-Syrian-refugee-crisis-insists-Golden-Rule-approach-politics-Capitol-Hill-address-sitting-pontiff.html)

Acting like just another politician!!

That is right! How dare the pope come before a joint session of congress, and talk politics. Who does he think he is, Netanyahu!

[Guest]

The Catholic Church is dying and this Pope is trying to restore young people's faith in catholicism. Only 22% of the US is catholic, so I think he is attempting to reach a broader audience and attract new, younger people to the Catholic faith by being more open minded and accepting. It cost a lot of money to run a church, so you have to fill those pews...

[Guest]

Sounds to me like a Regressive - and they always think of themselves as being equal to God and above humankind.

When you say Regressive, you must be thinking of liberals because they are the ones that think themselves equal to God. Most of them don't believe in God anyway. And of course, they do believe they are the elite so I guess they believe they are above "humankind" also.

I noticed that one poster has read Huffington Post and has started parroting their demand that conservatives be called regressives. I would think that anyone working at a news organization would have a better command and understanding of verbiage, but apparently not.

Everyone knows that liberals want an old style socialist society, therefore they are the regressives. I quit associating liberals with Democrats long ago. There is no resemblance between the two.

[Guest]

That is right! How dare the pope come before a joint session of congress, and talk politics. Who does he think he is, Netanyahu!

I believe Netanyahu IS a political leader. The Pope is a religious leader. I wonder what you would say if Netanyahu were to speak to regarding your religious beliefs. If you have any, that is.

[Guest]

The Catholic Church is dying and this Pope is trying to restore young people's faith in catholicism. Only 22% of the US is catholic, so I think he is attempting to reach a broader audience and attract new, younger people to the Catholic faith by being more open minded and accepting. It cost a lot of money to run a church, so you have to fill those pews...

:agree:

[Guest]

The Pope is a major player so please don't dismiss his message. When a KY clerk speaks for God, the government is blamed for not taking her advice. Now when the Pope speaks for God, some of you are telling him to stay out of government business. Really. The Pope is advising us to pay more attention to the poor and not our purse.

[Guest]

The Catholic Church is dying and this Pope is trying to restore young people's faith in catholicism. Only 22% of the US is catholic, so I think he is attempting to reach a broader audience and attract new, younger people to the Catholic faith by being more open minded and accepting. It cost a lot of money to run a church, so you have to fill those pews...

Dear Guest: I totally agree with you. However by the very nature of his agenda he is defeating that purpose. First men and women of the cloth seem to represent a naive view of the world. The sexual abuse scandal is prima facie proof. Clearly many other organizations had the exact same scandal and did not deal with it sensible.

However, we have my Church hiding pedophiles because they believed faith would cure them. This coming from a church that preaches that God pronounced "many are called but few are chosen". I do not believe God included pedophiles. And so the Pope's stance on homosexuality is confusing to say the least.

The Pope is misled by climate change and American capitalism and it all goes to the nature of religious teaching of going down to the lowest common denominator and so priest and nuns take the vow of poverty and poverty is a constant state of grace and materialism is simply and always bad. Hence the Catholic Church's dislike of the "Protestant Ethic"

I loathe speaking against my Church because overall it has done substantially more good for this world than not. However what we are witnessing in the Catholic Church is the same continuing battle being waged in America. It is traditionalist vis a vis progressives. Progressives seem to lean toward a sliding scale and while it works in some areas it is harmful to others. One of those harmful areas is morality. There are not in my belief vary shades of gray when it comes to morality. Another area deals with progressives wealth redistribution obsession which falls in line with the Pope's agenda

So a Pope who is trying to message a view that is pleasing to everyone so as not to offend anyone is on a fools errand and only reinforces people like me to react with a "say what you mean"or "mean what you say"

The Pope is a humble man and a good man and he does please me when he demonstrates his genuine humility and I will respect and love him for that fact

Personal Best Regards:

[Guest]

Dear Guest: I totally agree with you. However by the very nature of his agenda he is defeating that purpose. First men and women of the cloth seem to represent a naive view of the world. The sexual abuse scandal is prima facie proof. Clearly many other organizations had the exact same scandal and did not deal with it sensible.

However, we have my Church hiding pedophiles because they believed faith would cure them. This coming from a church that preaches that God pronounced "many are called but few are chosen". I do not believe God included pedophiles. And so the Pope's stance on homosexuality is confusing to say the least.

The Pope is misled by climate change and American capitalism and it all goes to the nature of religious teaching of going down to the lowest common denominator and so priest and nuns take the vow of poverty and poverty is a constant state of grace and materialism is simply and always bad. Hence the Catholic Church's dislike of the "Protestant

I loathe speaking against my Church because overall it has done substantially more good for this world than not. However what we are witnessing in the Catholic Church is the same continuing battle being waged in America. It is traditionalist vis a vis progressives. Progressives seem to lean toward a sliding scale and while it works in some areas it is harmful to others. One of those harmful areas is morality. There are not in my belief vary shades of gray when it comes to morality. Another area deals with progressives wealth redistribution obsession which falls in line with the Pope's agenda

So a Pope who is trying to message a view that is pleasing to everyone so as not to offend anyone is on a fools errand and only reinforces people like me to react with a "say what you mean"or "mean what you say"

The Pope is a humble man and a good man and he does please me when he demonstrates his genuine humility and I will respect and love him for that fact

Personal Best Regards:

:thumbup:
Well stated.