Any Developments on This? Modal Path Marking.

[Taltarzac725]

Modal pathways marking with white or yellow paint at side and in middle.

I was out partying with some friends in the rain tonight going around in golf carts looking at the various Christmas lights in the Villages and noticing how hard it is to see in the night in the rain the borders of various modal paths. All of our group I talked to also had the problem of how difficult the paths are to see at night when they is a downpour especially if you have lights shining on the droplets on the windshields.

[looneycat]

Modal pathways marking with white or yellow paint at side and in middle.

I was out partying with some friends in the rain tonight going around in golf carts looking at the various Christmas lights in the Villages and noticing how hard it is to see in the night in the rain the borders of various modal paths. All of our group I talked to also had the problem of how difficult the paths are to see at night when they is a downpour especially if you have lights shining on the droplets on the windshields.

yeah, most of your neighbors decided they would rather be cheap than safe.

[Topspinmo]

Don't drive a cart at night in the rain without windshield wipers. (You would think street legal carts would require them) Carts are NOT cars. They have limitations. If it's pouring down wait till it slacks up or pull over till it slacks up. IMO night time speed limit should be reduced to 15 mph. You are blinded by light cause some install bright head lights that don't shine down, but straight in the eyes of on coming traffic. Sure they can see better, but the blind everybody the meet.

[Taltarzac725]

Don't drive a cart at night in the rain without windshield wipers. (You would think street legal carts would require them) Carts are NOT cars. They have limitations. If it's pouring down wait till it slacks up or pull over till it slacks up. IMO night time speed limit should be reduced to 15 mph. You are blinded by light cause some install bright head lights that don't shine down, but straight in the eyes of on coming traffic. Sure they can see better, but the blind everybody the meet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5NgdB6zhsk&feature=youtu.be

We were in a group of six golf carts with 12 people. So kind of hard to just corral them and turn back. We did stop as a group a number of times to make sure we had the train intact.

Hans Mantel's work down in Dunkirk Trail in Hadley is well worth a trip. Cars probably would be safer to get there if it is raining heavily.

[fred53]

Perhaps no one else has noticed, but even in an auto with wipers and bright beams when it's raining hard the white/yellow center and side lines are difficult to see. Now add that most older people(myself included at 62)have poor night vision and you begin to see the real problem.

The best solution would be to not drive your cart at night when it's raining. The most expensive solution would be a lighted center and side lines. Next best would be raised dots like in use in California and rumble strips on the sides. Personally I opt for the most sensible of not using the cart at night when it's raining. It's not about what you want to do, but about what utilizes the most common sense.

[fred53]

Modal pathways marking with white or yellow paint at side and in middle.

I was out partying with some friends in the rain tonight going around in golf carts looking at the various Christmas lights in the Villages and noticing how hard it is to see in the night in the rain the borders of various modal paths. All of our group I talked to also had the problem of how difficult the paths are to see at night when they is a downpour especially if you have lights shining on the droplets on the windshields.

not one person opted for common sense of waiting till the rain stopped or going on a night when it wasn't raining. Strange.

[fred53]

yeah, most of your neighbors decided they would rather be cheap than safe.

of the title "cheap" because they've decided on common sense over those who feel the need to correct every little problem by throwing money at a problem is a cheap uneducated shot. There are more adult solutions, but they require a bit more maturity than some can sum up....like staying off the paths in a vehicle ill equipped to travel at night in inclement weather.

[Taltarzac725]

not one person opted for common sense of waiting till the rain stopped or going on a night when it wasn't raining. Strange.

You cannot just stop a group of people in separate golf carts on a mission to see Christmas lights. And it did not start raining until we were around Hadley which is miles from Lynnhaven/Belvedere/Ashland.

There was very light rain when we got to the Mallory Hill Country Club around 4:30 PM. We left around 6:15 PM and the rain started heavy around 7:15 PM. Dunkirk Trail in Hadley is a good distance from Mallory Hill Country Club.

I cannot see the common sense in just saying that if the roads are not safe in Central Florida just stay off them. Should you not make the roads safe to drive in any kind of weather? Like painting the edge of the road so you can see where it is? This is a problem in good weather as well. It is a lot worse in heavy rain.



How about the 6 AM golf cart drives in the light rain when you also have to watch out for joggers who are dressed in black? Not a good idea for joggers to dress in anything but white before dawn but they do.

Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices (MUTCD) - FHWA (http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/index.htm)

[Taltarzac725]

http://www.districtgov.org/PDFView/PDFMeeting.aspx?id=20150921ot0201

I see this has been a subject at the VCDD meetings. Village Community Development Districts (http://www.districtgov.org/)

[looneycat]

of the title "cheap" because they've decided on common sense over those who feel the need to correct every little problem by throwing money at a problem is a cheap uneducated shot. There are more adult solutions, but they require a bit more maturity than some can sum up....like staying off the paths in a vehicle ill equipped to travel at night in inclement weather.

let's see..every street, except those smaller ones within neighborhoods, are striped for what? safety. but you don't directly pay for it, those are county roads. what differs you might ask? when it costs you more directly safety is suddenly unimportant. IMO only, to me it sounds like cheap, I don't ask or care about how that is viewed by others. second, predict rain in florida ? 5:30 is pretty early to call it a night, all the food and entertainment venues would probably agree. thank you for the opportunity to further explain my answer :ho:

[Jim 9922]

Simple solution to weather impaired driving: slow down to a speed you can safely see the path ahead. There is no law that says you have to drive 20 mph at all times. No new laws and no new paint needed! Just adapt to changing conditions.:popcorn:

[Taltarzac725]

Simple solution to weather impaired driving: slow down to a speed you can safely see the path ahead. There is no law that says you have to drive 20 mph at all times. No new laws and no new paint needed! Just adapt to changing conditions.:popcorn:

We were going pretty slow but still it was quite hard to see. We passed a few carts which had stopped to wait out the heavier rain.

Cannot see why the Villages could not get funding from the State of Florida or even the Federal Government to get money for paint for the modal paths??? It does not necessarily have to come from the VCDD property tax payers. We have a population of what around 110,000? http://www.cnbc.com/2015/03/26/the-villages-fl-americas-fastest-growing-metro-area.html

The Villages grew by 5.4 percent between July 1, 2013 and July 1, 2014. Its population sat at an estimated 114,350 as of July.

[twoplanekid]

Not considering if it’s the right or wrong thing to do, the political will to take up this issue is gone. Until a large number of accidents occur that can be attributed to the lack of stripping, nothing will happen.

[Taltarzac725]

Not considering if it’s the right or wrong thing to do, the political will to take up this issue is gone. Until a large number of accidents occur that can be attributed to the lack of stripping, nothing will happen.

That is what the situation usually is. I am often in the house whenever it is raining and rarely take the golf cart out if the weather is bad in any way. But, sometimes I have to do the social thing and go with the flow. And, who can really tell which neighborhood in the Villages it might rain in the next few hours?

[justjim]

I understand that in the early days of TV driving a golf cart at night was prohibited. I'm not suggesting that we go back to no night driving in your cart but just making a statement. This issue has several Threads and hundreds of opinions and posts and even a traffic engineer's report. My guess is that those that want stripping done will in the end finally get it done.

[Taltarzac725]

I understand that in the early days of TV driving a golf cart at night was prohibited. I'm not suggesting that we go back to no night driving in your cart but just making a statement. This issue has several Threads and hundreds of opinions and posts and even a traffic engineer's report. My guess is that those that want stripping done will in the end finally get it done.

What does the traffic engineer report have to say?

The historical Villages area used to have quite unsafe golf cart paths IMHO. I can understand the no golf cart driving at night.

[Mleeja]

Marking of the MMPs will happen someday. However, it is probably going to take a serious accident on the MMPs and a lawsuit before it happens. Then there will be "crowing" of how much it is costing TV to settle the lawsuit and they should have taken action sooner...

I don't care how much you slow down to adjust to the driving conditions, there are still areas on the MMPs where it is very difficult to see the path due to landscaping, elevation and curvature of the path against oncoming traffic (both carts and cars on street). Throw in a little rain, and it makes it real difficult. Staying off the MMPs at night or during rain is a hollow argument relied on by the "personal responsibility" group. We can't enjoy our lives after 5:00 pm or during inclement weather according to them... You're not going to change the minds of the this group.

In the meantime, slowdown and hope you do not get rear-ended. Make sure your cart is well illuminated so others can see you. Take the streets if you can find ones that parallels the MMPs. They are wider, generally better marked, illuminated and have less traffic. And when on the MMPs at night or during rain, make sure to watch for the other crazies out there.

[goodtimesintv]

Taltarzac, they do not want to hear fact and reality presented by people who are not in bed by 7:00 and actually drive these paths regularly after dark for reasonable, desirable things like going to the town squares.

Older threads show they'd rather listen to "engineering reports" by strangers who don't even live IN The Villages, much less drive a golf cart on city streets and multimodal lanes instead of golf courses.

They will favor ANYTHING that goes along with "Nobody's going to rip ME off for $3 per year!!!!!"

Mleeja was right. Future deaths/dismemberment lawsuits will have them running around blaming the "greedy rich" developer for not doing it before. They have all the answers, but you don't see anyone among them finding anything close to TV's time tested recipe for a city like this anywhere else.

[Taltarzac725]

Taltarzac, they do not want to hear fact and reality presented by people who are not in bed by 7:00 and actually drive these paths regularly after dark for reasonable, desirable things like going to the town squares.

Older threads show they'd rather listen to "engineering reports" by strangers who don't even live IN The Villages, much less drive a golf cart on city streets and multimodal lanes instead of golf courses.

They will favor ANYTHING that goes along with "Nobody's going to rip ME off for $3 per year!!!!!"

Mleeja was right. Future deaths/dismemberment lawsuits will have them running around blaming the "greedy rich" developer for not doing it before. They have all the answers, but you don't see anyone among them finding anything close to TV's time tested recipe for a city like this anywhere else.

Lawyers and other other interests can usually find reports and the like to strengthen either side of just about any issue.

What I read seems to make the slippery surface of this new kind of covering marking the lines people will stay on the other side with the major problem. It will result in lawsuits from bicyclists and pedestrians who slip on this new surface. How about the roads where lines are now here in the Villages that are County Controlled? Do pedestrians and bicyclists slide on these? How often do these need to be re-painted?

[biker1]

I don't really see the need to try to discredit the engineering report or the engineer who wrote the report. Unless you have some evidence of incompetence by the author of the report, it presumably was written by somebody competent to render such as opinion. It was but one piece of the decision making process. Probably the only one that wasn't political.

Taltarzac, they do not want to hear fact and reality presented by people who are not in bed by 7:00 and actually drive these paths regularly after dark for reasonable, desirable things like going to the town squares.

Older threads show they'd rather listen to "engineering reports" by strangers who don't even live IN The Villages, much less drive a golf cart on city streets and multimodal lanes instead of golf courses.

They will favor ANYTHING that goes along with "Nobody's going to rip ME off for $3 per year!!!!!"

Mleeja was right. Future deaths/dismemberment lawsuits will have them running around blaming the "greedy rich" developer for not doing it before. They have all the answers, but you don't see anyone among them finding anything close to TV's time tested recipe for a city like this anywhere else.

[outlaw]

I don't really see the need to try to discredit the engineering report or the engineer who wrote the report. Unless you have some evidence of incompetence by the author of the report, it presumably was written by somebody competent to render such as opinion. It was but one piece of the decision making process. Probably the only one that wasn't political.

Riiiiiiiiiight.:1rotfl:

[bagboy]

Doug Deakin and the boys up north have moved on from spending money on MMP striping to now looking into spending millions of dollars for land on route 42 for additional recreational facilities. Why spend $400,000 of other peoples money when you can spend $4,000,000 , or more.

[rubicon]

Well the OP got the natives restless again.

I have been driving the multi-modal paths with a need for headlights and in all kinds of weather for over 9 years now and have been guided by foilage and grass on either side of the path that defines well the width of the path. Reflectors work well for curves, areas where contour cause them to jut out and where the multi-modla path have center medians . The problem with night driving is more of headlights hitting you head on and stripping is not going to solve that issue.

One poster wrote slow down when driving at night and when it rains. "Speeding too fast for conditions" is often cited as a contributing factor when an accident occurs. If I truly believed side stripping would be worth the investment then I would reply in the affirmative . But the problem with multi-modal paths is intrinsic in its label

[JoMar]

The community opposed to stripping have also been heard. Why, when we lose the ability to do what we want to do we look to government to fix it. Then, when government tries to fix something someone else wants we complain that government is too invasive. So glad they aren't stripping. My only flexibility would be that if a CDD wants to Stripe because the majority of those living there want it then stripe it but then they pay for it and they also accept all the liabilities. Don't ask CDD11 to pay for something in CDD8. Simplistic yes, doable, probably not, acceptable to CDD8, h*** no.