The Danger With Government Welfare Programs

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Depictions of long bread lines during the Great Depression underscored how desperate many folks were back then. The Great Recession of 2008 version of these bread lines are now much more subtle, their called food stamps.

The number of people receiving food stamps has exceeded 45 million for 56 straight months (cite Department of Agriculture), meaning that an astonishing 14% of Americans are being fed by government. It means that 21.3 % (52.2.million) is one one or more means tested government program. Additionally most of this population also get special tax breaks, incentives or treatment, nanny government's tools for wealth redistribution and Sanders and Clinton advocate for more such social engineering.

Tracking for food stamp participation by the Department of Agriculture began in 1969. Food stamp population participation was 2.87 million people (14%) representing just 1.4% of total population. Statistically food stamp participation has increased 1,470% in 47 years yet the US population has had only a 56% increase.

The Department of Agriculture readily admit that the generous incentive for SNAP associated with both the 2002 and 2008 Farm Acts made benefits easier to secure and more generous.

Again we find Sanders and Clinton engaged in a battle over who will promise the most free stuff. Such promises are unconstitutional and unsustainable. These government welfare programs promote a disincentive to work and require unattainable monetary policy.

The printing/creating of money means more of the national wealth flows to the federal government. We see the same problem because of the FED monetary policies ( QE and low interest) stifling the economy money flow only to Wall Street and the US Treasury.

Government has to stop because its destroying us from within

Personal Best Regards:

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Stock up on ammo!

Clinton will be elected president, there is nobody that can stop that. She will be elected by the 52% of voters that are on government assistance (it was 49% in 2013, do the math) and they don't care how many lies she tells, they don't care how many emails she has deleted, they don't care how many classified emails she sent off her personal server, they don't care how many people died in Benghazi, they don't want America to be put back to work...all they care about is "no cuts to their benefits" and she is that!

The ammo will be needed when this country goes bankrupt because it gives away more than it takes in, and because the working people can't afford the non working anymore. When those benefits stop coming; the recipients that have developed a sense of entitlement (some of them have had the last 3 generations of their families on welfare), they will seek to find food and money elsewhere. Get ready for Civil War II.

Go ahead and debate, the old and weak will be the first attacked...stock up on ammo!!

[Guest]

Stock up on ammo!

Clinton will be elected president, there is nobody that can stop that. She will be elected by the 52% of voters that are on government assistance (it was 49% in 2013, do the math) and they don't care how many lies she tells, they don't care how many emails she has deleted, they don't care how many classified emails she sent off her personal server, they don't care how many people died in Benghazi, they don't want America to be put back to work...all they care about is "no cuts to their benefits" and she is that!

The ammo will be needed when this country goes bankrupt because it gives away more than it takes in, and because the working people can't afford the non working anymore. When those benefits stop coming; the recipients that have developed a sense of entitlement (some of them have had the last 3 generations of their families on welfare), they will seek to find food and money elsewhere. Get ready for Civil War II.

Go ahead and debate, the old and weak will be the first attacked...stock up on ammo!!

You might want to do some research before you speak:

The 7 Biggest Deadbeat States Who Mooch Off Taxpayers All Vote Republican (http://www.politicususa.com/2015/01/15/7-biggest-deadbeat-states-federal-tax-dollars-voted-republican.html)

Now from the Pew Research Group:

The politics and demographics of food stamp recipients | Pew Research Center (http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/07/12/the-politics-and-demographics-of-food-stamp-recipients/)

The Top 7 states for food stamps:

7 States With the Most People on Food Stamps (http://www.cheatsheet.com/personal-finance/7-states-with-the-most-people-on-food-stamps.html/?a=viewall)

Just another example of the hate speech coming from the Trump Camp!

I'll bet you go to church every Sunday....

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You might want to do some research before you speak:

The 7 Biggest Deadbeat States Who Mooch Off Taxpayers All Vote Republican (http://www.politicususa.com/2015/01/15/7-biggest-deadbeat-states-federal-tax-dollars-voted-republican.html)

Now from the Pew Research Group:

The politics and demographics of food stamp recipients | Pew Research Center (http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/07/12/the-politics-and-demographics-of-food-stamp-recipients/)

The Top 7 states for food stamps:

7 States With the Most People on Food Stamps (http://www.cheatsheet.com/personal-finance/7-states-with-the-most-people-on-food-stamps.html/?a=viewall)

Just another example of the hate speech coming from the Trump Camp!

I'll bet you go to church every Sunday....

Yes.....but....... Benghazie, Benghazie, Benghazie!

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The Department of Agriculture readily admit that the generous incentive for SNAP associated with both the 2002 and 2008 Farm Acts made benefits easier to secure and more generous.



Government has to stop because its destroying us from within

Personal Best Regards:

The farming and food industry, folks like Kraft, ADM, Cargill, Tyson, etc. Are the beneficiaries of the food stamp program. When the poor get "free money", they spend it on their food products, that's why they push for more and more welfare.

Yes it is destroying us from within. We keep voting for the D and R crooks, what do we expect?

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You might want to do some research before you speak:

The 7 Biggest Deadbeat States Who Mooch Off Taxpayers All Vote Republican (http://www.politicususa.com/2015/01/15/7-biggest-deadbeat-states-federal-tax-dollars-voted-republican.html)

Now from the Pew Research Group:

The politics and demographics of food stamp recipients | Pew Research Center (http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/07/12/the-politics-and-demographics-of-food-stamp-recipients/)

The Top 7 states for food stamps:

7 States With the Most People on Food Stamps (http://www.cheatsheet.com/personal-finance/7-states-with-the-most-people-on-food-stamps.html/?a=viewall)

Just another example of the hate speech coming from the Trump Camp!

I'll bet you go to church every Sunday....

Keep debating old fool (your Social Security checks will stop when Hillary runs the government into bankrupt).

Love liberal websites...yeah Hillary and Bernie are speaking of taking from the rich and giving to the poor Republicans, LOL.

I might vote for Hillary. Not that my vote will be needed, when she will already have 52% of the country voting for "no cuts in benefits" (all Republicans I guess). Most polls have her at 65% chance to win the presidential election, possibly you want to bet against them?

After the Civil War II; the country will start over and hopefully will be much better than it is now (Obamma, the first half white president, was a bust...Has the Standards and Poor ratings for the US improved?? Was Obammacare a success??) Really, are Hellary, Burn, Crud, and Trump the best people we have to lead this country? That is all we got? Is there nobody better that could garner enough votes to be elected?

You lost the bet! I am Agnostic, so no church for me. I do feel there are good ethics and morals in the Bible, I just do those for myself and not some God.

STOCK UP ON AMMO!

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The topic is " Government Welfare Programs" . I do not consider Social Security nor Medicare to be welfare programs nor entitlements because American workers were forced to participate. Politicians like to brag about them as entitlements as if they are your benevolent benefactors. But the truth as we know it is that it had been because of their mis-management that these two programs are in dire straits. So in my mind discussion of Social Security/Medicare is a separate issue

This mismanagement also applies to welfare programs. There is no question that some of us will need a helping hand for a brief period and some of us because of disability will need to be provided for life. It is the human thing to assist and its the Christian thing to do.

However, the federal government too often knowingly use these programs as redistribution schemes and as vote getters quid pro quo arrangements and the like. And/or they lack the knowledge or the motiviation to fight fraud and abuse

I hold both Democrats and Republicans equally responsible for allowing this to continue because it has created generation after generation of slacker and the ranks among them are growing .

I also chose this topic because I am sick and tired of talking about candidates ad nauseam. By now we all know who they are and we all have made up our minds about the spin that surrounds their campaigns.

It would seem reasonable to discuss substantive issues, policies etc and the affect we believe they will have on us

Personal Best Regards

[Guest]

Depictions of long bread lines during the Great Depression underscored how desperate many folks were back then. The Great Recession of 2008 version of these bread lines are now much more subtle, their called food stamps.

The number of people receiving food stamps has exceeded 45 million for 56 straight months (cite Department of Agriculture), meaning that an astonishing 14% of Americans are being fed by government. It means that 21.3 % (52.2.million) is one one or more means tested government program. Additionally most of this population also get special tax breaks, incentives or treatment, nanny government's tools for wealth redistribution and Sanders and Clinton advocate for more such social engineering.

Tracking for food stamp participation by the Department of Agriculture began in 1969. Food stamp population participation was 2.87 million people (14%) representing just 1.4% of total population. Statistically food stamp participation has increased 1,470% in 47 years yet the US population has had only a 56% increase.

The Department of Agriculture readily admit that the generous incentive for SNAP associated with both the 2002 and 2008 Farm Acts made benefits easier to secure and more generous.

Again we find Sanders and Clinton engaged in a battle over who will promise the most free stuff. Such promises are unconstitutional and unsustainable. These government welfare programs promote a disincentive to work and require unattainable monetary policy.

The printing/creating of money means more of the national wealth flows to the federal government. We see the same problem because of the FED monetary policies ( QE and low interest) stifling the economy money flow only to Wall Street and the US Treasury.

Government has to stop because its destroying us from within

Personal Best Regards:

I've been hearing the same bs since I was old enough to read about politics.
The sky is falling.

[Guest]

Why don't you take a day off and go help somebody in need rather than sit there all day biting each other's heads off. Wake up.

[Guest]

I've been hearing the same bs since I was old enough to read about politics.
The sky is falling.

Really?

So where does the doubling of those getting food stamps under Obama fit in your life long education of this matter?

[Guest]

You want to talk about "Government Welfare Programs". Fine. All the tax benefits given to the top wage earnings, what do you call that? How about this? Welfare for people that don't need it.

Saying that food stamps are for slackers is just plain wrong. It is painting everyone with the same brush. Is there fraud? Of course, there is. Is it wide spread? No, it isn't. When everyone that doesn't agree with you has to be your enemy, this is what you get. Just blame them for everything. That way you don't have to look in the mirror at part of the problem.

If you think that companies supplying items to the military are completely honest, you are not living in the real world. There is fraud everywhere. The problem is how much money do you want to spend uncovering it? The cost may be more than the benefit.

The welfare moms disappeared in 90s.

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You want to talk about "Government Welfare Programs". Fine. All the tax benefits given to the top wage earnings, what do you call that? How about this? Welfare for people that don't need it.

Saying that food stamps are for slackers is just plain wrong. It is painting everyone with the same brush. Is there fraud? Of course, there is. Is it wide spread? No, it isn't. When everyone that doesn't agree with you has to be your enemy, this is what you get. Just blame them for everything. That way you don't have to look in the mirror at part of the problem.

If you think that companies supplying items to the military are completely honest, you are not living in the real world. There is fraud everywhere. The problem is how much money do you want to spend uncovering it? The cost may be more than the benefit.

The welfare moms disappeared in 90s.

In addition to the so called isolated fraud(?) the bigger, much bigger numbers are those who no longer qualify but remain on the rolls collecting the benfits.
The government just does not police status. Once you are on you are on....no enforcement! The politicians are not going to be the ones to stand up and state taking people off the programs......that would be losing a vote.
Hence like most federal programs, out of control spending, no enforcement to maintain voter block.

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Yes.....but....... Benghazie, Benghazie, Benghazie!


I watched all of the last session.... Your guys got nothing but egg on their face!

And you would have more credibility if you could spell it correctly!


Benghazi

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You want to talk about "Government Welfare Programs". Fine. All the tax benefits given to the top wage earnings, what do you call that? How about this? Welfare for people that don't need it.

Saying that food stamps are for slackers is just plain wrong. It is painting everyone with the same brush. Is there fraud? Of course, there is. Is it wide spread? No, it isn't. When everyone that doesn't agree with you has to be your enemy, this is what you get. Just blame them for everything. That way you don't have to look in the mirror at part of the problem.

If you think that companies supplying items to the military are completely honest, you are not living in the real world. There is fraud everywhere. The problem is how much money do you want to spend uncovering it? The cost may be more than the benefit.

The welfare moms disappeared in 90s.

Great post!!! Then we could talk about Corporate Welfare and Tax evasion!

Think by Numbers » Government Spends More on Corporate Welfare Subsidies than Social Welfare Programs (http://thinkbynumbers.org/government-spending/corporate-welfare/corporate-welfare-statistics-vs-social-welfare-statistics/)

[Guest]

If you want to talk about government welfare and the billion of dollars it costs - start talking about farm subsidies!

You will very rarely meet a poor farmer but you will always meet a farmer who claims to be poor.

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If you want to talk about government welfare and the billion of dollars it costs - start talking about farm subsidies!

You will very rarely meet a poor farmer but you will always meet a farmer who claims to be poor.

Be careful, now. Those farmers are Democrats. Democrats always have good reasons for giving your money away.

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If you want to talk about government welfare and the billion of dollars it costs - start talking about farm subsidies!

You will very rarely meet a poor farmer but you will always meet a farmer who claims to be poor.

That is an interesting subject. Warren Buffett can afford to be a philanthropist with the farm subsidies he applies for and accepts. For gods sake man; I can give away your money too!

[Guest]

Great post!!! Then we could talk about Corporate Welfare and Tax evasion!

Think by Numbers » Government Spends More on Corporate Welfare Subsidies than Social Welfare Programs (http://thinkbynumbers.org/government-spending/corporate-welfare/corporate-welfare-statistics-vs-social-welfare-statistics/)

You would have to be wise enough, talented enough, and hard working enough to own a corporation that made enough income to consider tax evasion first!

I am guessing you are more of a taker than a provider based on your ignorant comment.

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You would have to be wise enough, talented enough, and hard working enough to own a corporation that made enough income to consider tax evasion first!

I am guessing you are more of a taker than a provider based on your ignorant comment.


I guess that you have never heard of inherited wealth. It takes a real talent to start as president of a corporation. Take a good look at the starting dates of the corporations of well to do families.
Family Fortune: The 20 Richest Families in America - TheRichest (http://www.therichest.com/rich-list/nation/the-20-richest-families-in-america/?view=all)
Sometimes the only thing that providers provide is stupidity.

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Stock up on ammo!

Clinton will be elected president, there is nobody that can stop that. She will be elected by the 52% of voters that are on government assistance (it was 49% in 2013, do the math) and they don't care how many lies she tells, they don't care how many emails she has deleted, they don't care how many classified emails she sent off her personal server, they don't care how many people died in Benghazi, they don't want America to be put back to work...all they care about is "no cuts to their benefits" and she is that!

The ammo will be needed when this country goes bankrupt because it gives away more than it takes in, and because the working people can't afford the non working anymore. When those benefits stop coming; the recipients that have developed a sense of entitlement (some of them have had the last 3 generations of their families on welfare), they will seek to find food and money elsewhere. Get ready for Civil War II.

Go ahead and debate, the old and weak will be the first attacked...stock up on ammo!!
You might be overstating the problem somewhat, but I don't think by much. I also think all hell is going to break loose when government benefits of any kind get reduced due to just plain not be able to borrow or print the money to continue them. There are a lot of people who believe deficiets don't matter and can continue forever, I guess I'm not one of them. If deficiets don't matter why don't we just place barrels of freshly printed money on all street corners and tell people to take just what they deserve, kind of on the honor system. That will help economy, at least many think so.

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Be careful, now. Those farmers are Democrats. Democrats always have good reasons for giving your money away.

Farmers are Democrats? Tell that to the evangelicals in Iowa who gladly take farm subsidies! Every farmer I have met - and that is a lot - have all been Republicans. And they all love their government subsidies.

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Keep debating old fool (your Social Security checks will stop when Hillary runs the government into bankrupt).

Love liberal websites...yeah Hillary and Bernie are speaking of taking from the rich and giving to the poor Republicans, LOL.

I might vote for Hillary. Not that my vote will be needed, when she will already have 52% of the country voting for "no cuts in benefits" (all Republicans I guess). Most polls have her at 65% chance to win the presidential election, possibly you want to bet against them?

After the Civil War II; the country will start over and hopefully will be much better than it is now (Obamma, the first half white president, was a bust...Has the Standards and Poor ratings for the US improved?? Was Obammacare a success??) Really, are Hellary, Burn, Crud, and Trump the best people we have to lead this country? That is all we got? Is there nobody better that could garner enough votes to be elected?

You lost the bet! I am Agnostic, so no church for me. I do feel there are good ethics and morals in the Bible, I just do those for myself and not some God.

STOCK UP ON AMMO!

Geez you guys bought out Walmart when Obama was elected!!!! :boxing2:LOL

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Farmers are Democrats? Tell that to the evangelicals in Iowa who gladly take farm subsidies! Every farmer I have met - and that is a lot - have all been Republicans. And they all love their government subsidies.


:bigbow::bigbow:

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Times change. I feel fortunate to have lived through a great period, rapid expansion and technological progress. Tech Progress is a killer. We all read how the middle class has gotten nowhere in recent decades. The fact is, we continue to be more productive, year after year. But all the rewards go to the owner/executive class. It'll only get worse. The pace of Technology is increasing. I worry for my kids, grandkids, and future generations.

Consider autonomous vehicles, they're right around the corner. In a few years you'll call up a ride on your smartphone and the car (maybe a convertible, minivan, or pickup, whatever you ordered) will pull up without a driver! It won't be long after that you'll decide you only need one car, then none. Maybe convert the garage to a workshop. Sounds silly now but folks in the future may wonder why anyone every had tons of steel sitting in a garage 23 hours a day.

"Transportation as a Service" is the future. Manufacturers have to reset, marketing to the Uber's of the world. Truck driver is the #1 job in the country, they're all vulnerable. If individuals don't own cars, what happens to Service Stations, mechanics, parking ramps.... Self-driving cars are only the beginning. What about 3D printing, dark factories, Robotics, on and on. The point is, jobs and the need for human capital is going away. Not a bad thing if we manage it.

I grew up on Sci-fi and reading Popular Mechanics (still no flying cars). I expected we'd be further along now. When I started working I felt fortunate. My Dad worked 7 day, 60+ hour, weeks all his life. I started and fell into the 40 hour work week and expected that was only the beginning. By now we'd all live a life of luxurious leisure (I think that was actually in Popular Mechanics). It didn't happen. Unfortunately, the middle class was exploited and it's really gone the other way. Where I worked, people now work 24/7. Literally, it's an International Corporation and they often have global online meetings, which can be anytime day or night.

Exploiting workers just gets worse. Today. we have people working 40 hours at McDonalds and Walmart and they're eligible for Food Stamps. I guess that's a form of Corporate Welfare.

My concern is that Technology continues to carve out the middle class and we end up with all wealth and power in the hands of a few. Maybe that's the ultimate for Capitalism. The only distinction from Communism is that Communism has all wealth in power with a single dictator.

We need to plan for this future. I think there's only two options. Well, maybe three, we could go full Capitalism, survival of the fittest, and let everyone fend for themselves. I don't see that happening. So, either we provide a basic level of subsistence for all, or we create "Meaningless" jobs so everyone can work.

The solution is clear to me, and many others. Universal Basic Income (sometimes Basic Income Guarantee) is being talked about everywhere (not so much in the US). The ideal implementation would give everyone a check equal to Poverty Level income. As an example, you get a monthly check for $1000 just for being a citizen.

It sounds ridiculous (I can't wait to read the comments). But it's a major step toward that future world I dreamed of as a kid. Instantly, no more poverty. Hundreds of Govt programs go away, Welfare, Food Stamps, Unemployment, Housing Assistance, Student aid, on and on and on. All the people that work in these "industries" will be out of work. Frankly, they aren't doing anything productive for society anyway. They will have to live on Basic Income too. Shut down the computer systems and sell off the real estate.

Basic Income is a win-win all around.The single Mom working multiple jobs will have some options. Maybe more parents can avoid daycare and raise their own kids (that's our future). Young folks could stay in (or go back to) school. I have difficulty identifying negatives. The idea is popping up all over and pilots are planned, Canada, Finland, UK, Scotland, Switzerland,and others.

Instead of falling into the trap of divisive political banter, concentrate on solutions. Google "Basic Income", read a bit and consider the potential. I'd be interested in hearing the negatives.

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Farmers are Democrats? Tell that to the evangelicals in Iowa who gladly take farm subsidies! Every farmer I have met - and that is a lot - have all been Republicans. And they all love their government subsidies.

Never met a Democrat farmer in Farmersburg, Iowa! All would be for Cruz but he is a foreigner to them. Trump is a billionaire but all they hear is his "Make America Great Again" - even though those farmers have never had it better. They just cannot get over the country is led by a black foreigner.

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Never met a Democrat farmer in Farmersburg, Iowa! All would be for Cruz but he is a foreigner to them. Trump is a billionaire but all they hear is his "Make America Great Again" - even though those farmers have never had it better. They just cannot get over the country is led by a black foreigner.

Ah yes, the race card. That usually closes any argument when the left has no point it can make.

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Ah yes, the race card. That usually closes any argument when the left has no point it can make.

Just stating the truth about the closed minded mentality of mid-western small rural towns.

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FDR's New Deal, Congress passed the Agriculture Adjustment Act in 1933. (our socialist president)

More than half our farmers do not receive subsidies.

But, in general most farmers lean toward the Republican party.

Food Stamps are part of the Farm Bill.

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Just stating the truth about the closed minded mentality of mid-western small rural towns.

There's big difference between "truth" and your opinion. Truth is backed up by facts. You opinion is just fool blathering.

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Just stating the truth about the closed minded mentality of mid-western small rural towns.

And they're happier than all the "enlightened" city folk. Sorry, I'm not open minded either when it comes to certain things...neither should you.

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The solution is clear to me, and many others. Universal Basic Income (sometimes Basic Income Guarantee) is being talked about everywhere (not so much in the US). The ideal implementation would give everyone a check equal to Poverty Level income. As an example, you get a monthly check for $1000 just for being a citizen.

It sounds ridiculous (I can't wait to read the comments). But it's a major step toward that future world I dreamed of as a kid. Instantly, no more poverty.

Basic Income is a win-win all around.The single Mom working multiple jobs will have some options. Maybe more parents can avoid daycare and raise their own kids (that's our future). Young folks could stay in (or go back to) school. I have difficulty identifying negatives.

Here is a big negative = there is no incentive to work in your program. If you provide food and housing to everyone, we will have what we have currently = people that have a sense of entitlement and no ambition to support themselves.

Are you suggesting single moms deserve some kind of pass in life? Were they all raped, beaten by there spouse, abandoned? The ones I know of were too stupid or lazy to practice birth control while having sex (our niece got knocked up in her parents driveway, one of our son's friends has had 3 abortions and 2 kids by 2 different guys), and I have known of a few moms that cheated on their husbands and caused a divorce... Oh you poor things, everyone else should take care of you!

Kids could stay home in school and play video games all night, just think how much they can learn that won't be used to support themselves.

great plan = STOCK UP ON AMMO!

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There's big difference between "truth" and your opinion. Truth is backed up by facts. You opinion is just fool blathering.

While your opinion is rated what?

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Stock up on ammo!

Clinton will be elected president, there is nobody that can stop that. She will be elected by the 52% of voters that are on government assistance (it was 49% in 2013, do the math) and they don't care how many lies she tells, they don't care how many emails she has deleted, they don't care how many classified emails she sent off her personal server, they don't care how many people died in Benghazi, they don't want America to be put back to work...all they care about is "no cuts to their benefits" and she is that!

The ammo will be needed when this country goes bankrupt because it gives away more than it takes in, and because the working people can't afford the non working anymore. When those benefits stop coming; the recipients that have developed a sense of entitlement (some of them have had the last 3 generations of their families on welfare), they will seek to find food and money elsewhere. Get ready for Civil War II.

Go ahead and debate, the old and weak will be the first attacked...stock up on ammo!!

fear mongering and stealing a post in lieu of starting your own. Will you man up and admit you were wrong when she does't become president? Thought not. Cowards and trolls are cut from the same cloth....never owning up to their actions...sounds a lot like Hillarity Clinstone.

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But all the rewards go to the owner/executive class. It'll only get worse.

Remember the 1968 debate between Buckley-Vidal. Vidal warning that the top 1% own 22% of the countries wealth.

Consider autonomous vehicles, they're right around the corner.
I don't think so for liability reasons not because it isn't possible.

Exploiting workers just gets worse. Today. we have people working 40 hours at McDonalds and Walmart and they're eligible for Food Stamps. I guess that's a form of Corporate Welfare.

We need to plan for this future. I think there's only two options. Well, maybe three, we could go full Capitalism, survival of the fittest, and let everyone fend for themselves. I don't see that happening. So, either we provide a basic level of subsistence for all, or we create "Meaningless" jobs so everyone can work.
or---we provide training for worthwhile jobs in the service industry

The solution is clear to me, Universal Basic Income As an example, you get a monthly check for $1000 just for being a citizen.

Instead of falling into the trap of divisive political banter, concentrate on solutions. Google "Basic Income", read a bit and consider the potential. I'd be interested in hearing the negatives.

I enjoy thinking outside the box. Have you seen manufacturing in China? It's not exactly the WPA but it does provide jobs and training. Remember the manufacturing efforts of "Rosie the Riveter". We need to declare a war on poverty, retool and manufacture products we will use at home.

Trump sells a hat for $25. The American company he uses sells it plain online for $21. He could buy a similar hat from China for $2. I'm not judging. I think there must be a way to get the American price much lower.

I think people will work very hard if there is light at the end of the tunnel. I chance to be wealthy and give your children a wonderful life. Wealthy enough to go on vacations, not so wealthy that you are worth 10,000 times more than most.

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And they're happier than all the "enlightened" city folk. Sorry, I'm not open minded either when it comes to certain things.

Yes, I agree that a great number of the rural people PLUS you are bigots.

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Farmers are Democrats? Tell that to the evangelicals in Iowa who gladly take farm subsidies! Every farmer I have met - and that is a lot - have all been Republicans. And they all love their government subsidies.


Bs, the majority are democrats. See I can make outrageous statements also!

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Consider autonomous vehicles, they're right around the corner.
I don't think so for liability reasons not because it isn't possible.

Uber is looking for autonomous cars. GM just invested half a billion in Lyft and a billion for a small self-driving company. Every major manufacturer is working on autonomous cars as quickly as possible. I drove a Tesla with Autopilot. Amazing experience.

or---we provide training for worthwhile jobs in the service industry
Service jobs are disappearing too. Creating jobs is a solution, making them worthwhile is a real challenge. We done really need the human labor so much anymore.

But, what makes work so great anyway. The most fortunate are those that do things they really enjoy, and being paid for it is just an added benefit. The richest country on the planet can easily provide basic needs for everyone. 50 cent of every dollar goes to military, that's a good place to start. Over 2 million people in bases in 80 countries. I think it overkill and only creates problems.

I enjoy thinking outside the box. Have you seen manufacturing in China?
Jobs went overseas to slave labor paid pennies. That actually increased our standard of living. Today we see that work coming back. Not jobs. Just the production, moving closer to the distribution channels. Dark factories, 3D printing, etc. but no jobs.

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I agree that people will work hard to get ahead. That's why I believe that given a basic poverty level income, most would still strive for more. And they'd have the opportunity to negotiate for their labor. Too many are trapped in jobs just to get bare necessities today.

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I agree that people will work hard to get ahead. That's why I believe that given a basic poverty level income, most would still strive for more. And they'd have the opportunity to negotiate for their labor. Too many are trapped in jobs just to get bare necessities today.

That is ridiculous and naive thinking. If what you said was true, then no one would be on welfare. If you GIVE everyone a poverty level income, then you stagnate the economy. Only the motivated would work.

An example of people choosing not to work once they have a guaranteed income are retirees. There's a hundred thousand examples here in the Villages. I am not saying that they are not motivated, but now that they have secured their income, they no longer need to work for a living. And I do not mean that in a derogatory way. NO, Obama's Utopia is a fairy tale. Same as Bernie's.

[Guest]

fear mongering and stealing a post in lieu of starting your own. Will you man up and admit you were wrong when she does't become president? Thought not. Cowards and trolls are cut from the same cloth....never owning up to their actions...sounds a lot like Hillarity Clinstone.

Fear Mongering? Stealing Posts?
Hillary will become president for sure, if not I will "man up" and state I was wrong - no problem. How about when she wins will you remember I told you so?

Thought not? I don't see a lot of evidence of thought in your post...not sure if you noticed everyone on here has the same screen name = "Guest".

STOCK UP ON AMMO!

[Guest]

Fear Mongering? Stealing Posts?
Hillary will become president for sure, if not I will "man up" and state I was wrong - no problem. How about when she wins will you remember I told you so?

Thought not? I don't see a lot of evidence of thought in your post...not sure if you noticed everyone on here has the same screen name = "Guest".

STOCK UP ON AMMO!

Ammo won't do you any good if Hillary gets in. She wants to take your guns away.

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Ammo won't do you any good if Hillary gets in. She wants to take your guns away.

Of course she does, that way I can't defend myself. I wonder if the criminals, that use guns for illicit acts now, will turn in their weapons???

[Guest]

Depictions of long bread lines during the Great Depression underscored how desperate many folks were back then. The Great Recession of 2008 version of these bread lines are now much more subtle, their called food stamps.

The number of people receiving food stamps has exceeded 45 million for 56 straight months (cite Department of Agriculture), meaning that an astonishing 14% of Americans are being fed by government. It means that 21.3 % (52.2.million) is one one or more means tested government program. Additionally most of this population also get special tax breaks, incentives or treatment, nanny government's tools for wealth redistribution and Sanders and Clinton advocate for more such social engineering.

Tracking for food stamp participation by the Department of Agriculture began in 1969. Food stamp population participation was 2.87 million people (14%) representing just 1.4% of total population. Statistically food stamp participation has increased 1,470% in 47 years yet the US population has had only a 56% increase.

The Department of Agriculture readily admit that the generous incentive for SNAP associated with both the 2002 and 2008 Farm Acts made benefits easier to secure and more generous.

Again we find Sanders and Clinton engaged in a battle over who will promise the most free stuff. Such promises are unconstitutional and unsustainable. These government welfare programs promote a disincentive to work and require unattainable monetary policy.

The printing/creating of money means more of the national wealth flows to the federal government. We see the same problem because of the FED monetary policies ( QE and low interest) stifling the economy money flow only to Wall Street and the US Treasury.

Government has to stop because its destroying us from within

Personal Best Regards:

You conveniently do not mention the corporate welfare, and all the companies and fatcats moving money offshore to evade taxes. In the future tell the whole story.

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You conveniently do not mention the corporate welfare, and all the companies and fatcats moving money offshore to evade taxes. In the future tell the whole story.

Who cares what they do with their money? They pay enough taxes so that you don't have to, so quit complaining.

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Who cares what they do with their money? They pay enough taxes so that you don't have to, so quit complaining.

How do you know what they pay.
"They pay enough taxes so that you don't have to" Tell that to my accountant.

[Guest]

How do you know what they pay.
"They pay enough taxes so that you don't have to" Tell that to my accountant.

Oh, so it is a matter of you being jealous of them.

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corporation don't pay taxes. period

[Guest]

corporation don't pay taxes. period

That's an interesting, if not ignorant and misguided view. I am sure you are quoting the great libtard Obama.

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You conveniently do not mention the corporate welfare, and all the companies and fatcats moving money offshore to evade taxes. In the future tell the whole story.

Welfare IS corporate welfare, they collect it twice. When money is given to the poor by the government, it's used to pay for things, things corporations have to offer. JP Morgan runs the SNAP (foodstamp) cards, Kraft, Tyson, the entire agribusiness profits when 50 million people get "free money" to buy their foods.

Who cares what they do with their money? They pay enough taxes so that you don't have to, so quit complaining.

No, YOU pay their taxes when you buy their products.

corporation don't pay taxes. period

You're right, the customers do. Every customer pays a part of those taxes.

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That's an interesting, if not ignorant and misguided view. I am sure you are quoting the great libtard Obama.

Any and every corporation factors the cost of taxes into the ultimate selling price of their products . Increase corporate income taxes and the corporation will increase their prices . hence it is the ultimate consumer who actually ends up footing the corporate tax bill . This is taught in any beginning economics or finance course .

Eventually corporations will seek to offer their products at the most competitive price and with the largest margin . One way to do so is to manufacture their products in an environment that has lower labor costs .

Another way to enhance corporate income is to sell their products outside of the US and hold their profits from those sales outside of the US . These profits are a major component of the " off-shore corporate profits " that you keep hearing about .
If we the people allowed those off-shore profits to come back into our economy by not subjecting them to additional taxes [ US Taxes ] there would be a huge benefit to our economy . [ Note : these dollars were from manufacturing that took place outside the US and were sold outside the US . They have already been taxed by foreign Nations ] .

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I've been hearing the same bs since I was old enough to read about politics.
The sky is falling.

Dear Guest: I do not know how old you are but you may want to take a second look at the statistics provided because while the sky may not be falling its listing quite a bit. A billion here a billion there pretty soon your talking about a whole lot of money ...but its OK we can just print more

Personal Best Regards:

[Guest]

You conveniently do not mention the corporate welfare, and all the companies and fatcats moving money offshore to evade taxes. In the future tell the whole story.

Dear guest: Look again tha's what the reference to the FED was all about. I hate corporate welfare as much as you do

Personal Best Regards:

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Dear Guests:

Let's begin with the premise that the proper word for taxes, the "t"word connotes "theft" Why is any politician is permitted to steal your earnings?

And early on when America found a bona fide reason to tax it was associated with state government. How did it come to pass that the federal government claimed its right to any % of our income with the added insult of spending our money as they deemed fit? In other words why do taxes (revenue flow to the central government from the states

We have become so accustom to this Byzantine taxing scam that it actually appears normal to us evidently because it is often left unchallenged. I am certain that a portion of the population rich or poor feel an entitlement for this very reason

We cannot have a constructive discussion in this nation until we rediscover our history and the intent of our founders concerning the relationship
between citizen and government

Personal Best Regards:

[Guest]

Dear Guests:

Let's begin with the premise that the proper word for taxes, the "t"word connotes "theft" Why is any politician is permitted to steal your earnings?

And early on when America found a bona fide reason to tax it was associated with state government. How did it come to pass that the federal government claimed its right to any % of our income with the added insult of spending our money as they deemed fit? In other words why do taxes (revenue flow to the central government from the states

We have become so accustom to this Byzantine taxing scam that it actually appears normal to us evidently because it is often left unchallenged. I am certain that a portion of the population rich or poor feel an entitlement for this very reason

We cannot have a constructive discussion in this nation until we rediscover our history and the intent of our founders concerning the relationship
between citizen and government

Personal Best Regards:

Jeffrey Williamson: In 1774, the top 1 percent of households got 9.3 percent of income.

America's wealth gap -- in 1776 (http://www.marketplace.org/2012/07/03/wealth-poverty/americas-wealth-gap-1776)

Let us know what you think?

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Of course she does, that way I can't defend myself. I wonder if the criminals, that use guns for illicit acts now, will turn in their weapons???

What? Didn't the gun owners say that about Obama? Yes you did and no guns were taken away. Gun owners bought more and more ammo during the Obama administration but the American people were NOT safer!

Colorado Springs, my home town in a state with open carry suffered 2 mass shootings in less than a month.

Tell me again how more guns will make things better?

[Guest]

Dear guest: Look again tha's what the reference to the FED was all about. I hate corporate welfare as much as you do

Personal Best Regards:

Didn't know that is what you meant ..... no foul intended!!!

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Wealth envy is a very unbecoming appearance. Corporations get tax breaks, and that is OK with me. Otherwise, since we have the world's highest corporate tax rate, they move overseas. Not the only reason, but one of them. It is very disingenuous to parrot the thoughts of those that try to control your vote by demonizing the wealthy. If not for the wealthy, we would not have the decent lifestyle we enjoy. I do not care how rich someone gets, as long as they do it honestly. Taking the tax breaks provided by the government is honestly. Even the supreme court has stated that no one should pay more taxes than required by law. No only do the rich pay most of the tax revenues taken in by the government, but they also pay a lot of sales taxes. They purchase expensive goods, including jewelry, cars, boats, vacations, and other types of rich lifestyle expenses. Not only do they pay taxes, sales taxes, but they also pay for labor. And the cost of the goods they purchase pays for jobs. Poor people do not hire employees. So, if you take away from the rich, they will either go elsewhere or not hire new employees. Then the economy tanks. I realize that I have put this simply, but sometimes it seems like you are having a conversation with the simple.

It always amazes me to observe those that are hypnotized by a wealthy person that assures you that the rich are evil. I bet they laugh so hard that they have trouble sleeping at night.

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That is ridiculous and naive thinking. If what you said was true, then no one would be on welfare. If you GIVE everyone a poverty level income, then you stagnate the economy. Only the motivated would work.

An example of people choosing not to work once they have a guaranteed income is retirees. There's a hundred thousand examples here in the Villages. I am not saying that they are not motivated, but now that they have secured their income, they no longer need to work for a living. And I do not mean that in a derogatory way. NO, Obama's Utopia is a fairy tale. Same as Bernie's.

The problem with welfare is people get trapped. They can't get off because they lose all benefits and end up working for less. That's why a basic handout of poverty level wages would work. Everyone gets the basics, then it's about moving ahead and working for small luxuries. Suddenly, even a few hours flipping burgers at minimum wage would be worthwhile.

I don't understand the retiree comment. Most of those retirees are super fortunate, savings, pensions, social security. But you missed the point. The future is a jobless economy. It may be 10 years, 20 years, even 50 years, but surely you understand. We can continue to create meaningless jobs, or just provide basic subsistence. I see no other option. A basic income for all would keep the economy moving with all that spending.

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Who cares what they do with their money? They pay enough taxes so that you don't have to, so quit complaining.

How do you measure enough? First, they likely pay lower rates than most. Earned income, money you actually worked for, is the most heavily taxed. Capital gains, investments and such get a major break. In fact, screw up and lose money and you get to deduct it.

But, most importantly, you can't possibly believe that the wealthy fat cats "earned" their income. They basically skim off the labor of others.

In any case, they are not paying enough taxes, at least not compared to what I pay. They may pay more in actual dollars, but what they take from me is far more valuable. What they pay is like a rounding error.

[Guest]

corporation don't pay taxes. period

I could argue that corporations shouldn't pay taxes. It only gets passed along in their goods and services.

On the other hand, I could argue we should eliminate the personal income tax. Most people don't actually pay income taxes. It's withheld before they get it and they never actually see the money. It's just paperwork. Why not replace the personal income tax with a "wage tax". A wage tax paid by an employer on wages paid. Realistically, they pay the personal income tax anyway. In fact, they overpay because most people get a refund.

The wage tax approach could be very efficient. Indeed, we could get to the long talked about flat tax. Suddenly, it wouldn't matter about the recipient, rich or poor. No need for personal exemptions, medical deductions, or anything.

[Guest]

That's an interesting, if not ignorant and misguided view. I am sure you are quoting the great libtard Obama.

Many pay zero tax. More importantly, when you factor in subsidies, it's essentially a negative income tax. US taxpayers subsidising world's biggest fossil fuel companies | Environment | The Guardian (http://bit.ly/22xyVn6)

[Guest]

Dear Guests:

Let's begin with the premise that the proper word for taxes, the "t"word connotes "theft" Why is any politician is permitted to steal your earnings?

And early on when America found a bona fide reason to tax it was associated with state government. How did it come to pass that the federal government claimed its right to any % of our income with the added insult of spending our money as they deemed fit? In other words why do taxes (revenue flow to the central government from the states

We have become so accustom to this Byzantine taxing scam that it actually appears normal to us evidently because it is often left unchallenged. I am certain that a portion of the population rich or poor feel an entitlement for this very reason

We cannot have a constructive discussion in this nation until we rediscover our history and the intent of our founders concerning the relationship
between citizen and government

Personal Best Regards:

"Theft"? We basically have what Bernie Sanders calls Democratic Socialism. The Govt needs revenue to provide for society as a whole. The first is military, first because it's 50% of every dollar (way too much). Govt needs to provide for people what they can't do for themselves. Social programs, like Police & Fire service, roads, bridges, infrastructure, garbage collection and sewer systems.

We need more Socialism. The perfect example is healthcare. We are the only developed country that doesn't provide it for all (never mind that the Constitution states "Provide for the General Welfare"). People "think" they like our system, even though we pay at least twice what anyone else pays. They "think" they like it because they don't Need it. But wait till you have an accident, contract a dreaded disease or something.

Let me warn you. If you have kids, or grandkids, and they hit on bad times, prepare to dig deep. Our system is breaking down and the younger folks live day-to-day now (no pension, minimal benefits, difficult to save). Should someone get cancer, lose their job, and their health coverage along with it, you'll be hitting that retirement savings to help out. Cancer drugs can be $100,000/yr. Nowhere else is this a problem. My seasonal Canadian neighbors make certain they are in Canada for 183 days a year. Must be nice.

[Guest]

Wealth envy is a very unbecoming appearance. Corporations get tax breaks, and that is OK with me. Otherwise, since we have the world's highest corporate tax rate, they move overseas. Not the only reason, but one of them. It is very disingenuous to parrot the thoughts of those that try to control your vote by demonizing the wealthy. If not for the wealthy, we would not have the decent lifestyle we enjoy. I do not care how rich someone gets, as long as they do it honestly. Taking the tax breaks provided by the government is honestly. Even the supreme court has stated that no one should pay more taxes than required by law. No only do the rich pay most of the tax revenues taken in by the government, but they also pay a lot of sales taxes. They purchase expensive goods, including jewelry, cars, boats, vacations, and other types of rich lifestyle expenses. Not only do they pay taxes, sales taxes, but they also pay for labor. And the cost of the goods they purchase pays for jobs. Poor people do not hire employees. So, if you take away from the rich, they will either go elsewhere or not hire new employees. Then the economy tanks. I realize that I have put this simply, but sometimes it seems like you are having a conversation with the simple.

It always amazes me to observe those that are hypnotized by a wealthy person that assures you that the rich are evil. I bet they laugh so hard that they have trouble sleeping at night.

Well, this is kinda rambling. But I wanted to point out that there's a major difference between someone that produces, from someone that simply leeches. #1 Bill Gates created an empire. There's no way anyone can say he didn't build Microsoft. His wealth derives from what he created and grew into a mega corporation. Alternatively, the typical corporate executive is part of a clique of wealthy executive bigwigs. They did little more than bounce around in board rooms and executive tete-e-tetes.

And, trickle-down is a pipe dream.

[Guest]

Well, this is kinda rambling. But I wanted to point out that there's a major difference between someone that produces, from someone that simply leeches. #1 Bill Gates created an empire. There's no way anyone can say he didn't build Microsoft. His wealth derives from what he created and grew into a mega corporation. Alternatively, the typical corporate executive is part of a clique of wealthy executive bigwigs. They did little more than bounce around in board rooms and executive tete-e-tetes.

And, trickle-down is a pipe dream.

Like I said, wealth envy is unbecoming. It makes people like you very ugly.

Yes, trickle-down is a pipe dream to your type. I bet you had no problem with Hillary getting paid six hundred grand for a speech. You get paid what someone feels you are worth. If you are not worth minimum wages, then I can see how you would whine like a child.

[Guest]

"Theft"? We basically have what Bernie Sanders calls Democratic Socialism. The Govt needs revenue to provide for society as a whole. The first is military, first because it's 50% of every dollar (way too much). Govt needs to provide for people what they can't do for themselves. Social programs, like Police & Fire service, roads, bridges, infrastructure, garbage collection and sewer systems.

We need more Socialism. The perfect example is healthcare. We are the only developed country that doesn't provide it for all (never mind that the Constitution states "Provide for the General Welfare"). People "think" they like our system, even though we pay at least twice what anyone else pays. They "think" they like it because they don't Need it. But wait till you have an accident, contract a dreaded disease or something.

Let me warn you. If you have kids, or grandkids, and they hit on bad times, prepare to dig deep. Our system is breaking down and the younger folks live day-to-day now (no pension, minimal benefits, difficult to save). Should someone get cancer, lose their job, and their health coverage along with it, you'll be hitting that retirement savings to help out. Cancer drugs can be $100,000/yr. Nowhere else is this a problem. My seasonal Canadian neighbors make certain they are in Canada for 183 days a year. Must be nice.

Dear Guest:

All you speak of can be rationally handled. However that's not what politicians do. what politicians do are raise and/or create more taxes and print money because they know if they throw dollars at a problem it is returned in votes. It doesn't matter that those dollars are going down a rabbit hole. Heck politician are so gifted they can invent a reason to create a rabbit hole because it is for the common good.

Americans have become so accustom to politician reaching into their pockets they believe its normal

Yes there are people who need a hand up but not a continual hand out its almost criminal to allow a well able bodied person to become a ward of the state.

I think back to some of the people I worked with that had serious disabilities but determined to make their own way. A blind woman who worked in word processing with the aid of voice activation , the guy in a wheel chair that worked in our legal office, the woman who spine was so curved she literally was looking downward at the ground...I could go on.

Take any business model and where there is money to be had someone is going to find a way to abuse it be it welfare, insurance, the lottery, etc some people simply believe they are entitled. some people simply believe that work is for suckers. Politicians don't differentiate because well a votes a vote.

I am also against corporate welfare such as the EX IM program, tax credits for solar, wind etc because the government is picking winners and losers based on vote getting or other such quid pro quo arrangements.

Corruption is a cancer and its prevalent in our nation today because most of our politicians are either immoral or spineless

I have long ago stopped buying what they are trying to sell us

Personal Best Regards:

[Guest]

What? Didn't the gun owners say that about Obama? Yes you did and no guns were taken away. Gun owners bought more and more ammo during the Obama administration but the American people were NOT safer!

Colorado Springs, my home town in a state with open carry suffered 2 mass shootings in less than a month.

Tell me again how more guns will make things better?

I did not say Obamma wanted to take my guns...But I did stock up on Ammo as I realized after visiting his campaign website and saw a person had to click a tab for info, their choices were: "African Americans for Obamma, LGBT for Obamma, Hispanics and Latinos for Obamma, Caucasians for Obamma and etc. Why was is not just Americans for Obamma??? Because he is a racist and divider? He certainly has not brought the country together, how many race related issues are reported on the news a night?

Did anyone in your hometown that was shot in the mass shootings have a gun? If so, did they shoot back? If not, obviously 1 more gun could have made the difference.

You could take all the guns away with law, and the nut jobs will still be mass murdering. They could drive an RV thru the entry at the mall and speed down the corridor killing many as they go...want to take away RV's? The gun did not make them nutjobs, the gun did not encourage them to do a mass shooting - The media did!

The media portraits these nutjobs as villains and gives the event mass coverage, their 15 minutes of fame after hiding in the shadows of their lives for so long. Finally people take notice of them and fear them, they are "villains"! What would happen if the media portrayed them as the cowards they are for shooting unarmed people that had no warning? Would the nutjob want to go out as a coward? I am betting he would rather be a villain. Stop blaming the gun and thank the media for giving him the encouragement.

[Guest]

"Theft"? We basically have what Bernie Sanders calls Democratic Socialism. The Govt needs revenue to provide for society as a whole. The first is military, first because it's 50% of every dollar (way too much). Govt needs to provide for people what they can't do for themselves. Social programs, like Police & Fire service, roads, bridges, infrastructure, garbage collection and sewer systems.

We need more Socialism. The perfect example is healthcare. We are the only developed country that doesn't provide it for all (never mind that the Constitution states "Provide for the General Welfare"). People "think" they like our system, even though we pay at least twice what anyone else pays. They "think" they like it because they don't Need it. But wait till you have an accident, contract a dreaded disease or something.

Let me warn you. If you have kids, or grandkids, and they hit on bad times, prepare to dig deep. Our system is breaking down and the younger folks live day-to-day now (no pension, minimal benefits, difficult to save). Should someone get cancer, lose their job, and their health coverage along with it, you'll be hitting that retirement savings to help out. Cancer drugs can be $100,000/yr. Nowhere else is this a problem. My seasonal Canadian neighbors make certain they are in Canada for 183 days a year. Must be nice.

Great post, lol

Yeah, they should only spend 33% of every dollar on military (not way too much) to keep us safe. Besides it would be nice to have all those service people out looking for jobs!

Yeah, we need Socialism. Just look how many people from countries that have it would rather be in the USA (Mexico for instance). Bernie's net worth is a whopping $300,000 and he has not passed a law in the 26 years he has been in congress, if anyone would know what we need it would be that under achiever.

Yeah, I am sure your neighbors told you about the long wait times for healthcare in Canada. Nothing like knowing your daughter has a tumor growing in her brain and they will operate to remove it 3 years from now...great system.

[Guest]

Great post, lol

Yeah, they should only spend 33% of every dollar on military (not way too much) to keep us safe. Besides it would be nice to have all those service people out looking for jobs!

Yeah, we need Socialism. Just look how many people from countries that have it would rather be in the USA (Mexico for instance). Bernie's net worth is a whopping $300,000 and he has not passed a law in the 26 years he has been in congress, if anyone would know what we need it would be that under achiever.

Yeah, I am sure your neighbors told you about the long wait times for healthcare in Canada. Nothing like knowing your daughter has a tumor growing in her brain and they will operate to remove it 3 years from now...great system.

Oh, and don't forget to include the fact that in socialist countries, if you are old, you may not be deemed worthy of surgery. If you are no longer productive, you get a lower quality of health care. Hopefully, you do not have to stand in line waiting until you are then too old to warrant that level of treatment. Obama campaigned saying the same thing. He said that maybe that old lady doesn't really need a hip replacement, just give her a pill. Socialism is only for those that are capable of producing for the elite. And of course, those that produce must give up most of their earnings to support it.

[Guest]

Great post, lol

Yeah, they should only spend 33% of every dollar on military (not way too much) to keep us safe. Besides it would be nice to have all those service people out looking for jobs!

Yeah, we need Socialism. Just look how many people from countries that have it would rather be in the USA (Mexico for instance). Bernie's net worth is a whopping $300,000 and he has not passed a law in the 26 years he has been in congress, if anyone would know what we need it would be that under achiever.

Yeah, I am sure your neighbors told you about the long wait times for healthcare in Canada. Nothing like knowing your daughter has a tumor growing in her brain and they will operate to remove it 3 years from now...great system.

The democrats who are following Bernie are not doing so because they like Bernie. They are party loyal and he is the only option they think they have to the criminal Clinton.

The opposition keeps talking how all the different groups will martial upon Clinton propelling her to an annointment of her queenship.

They are making one big mistake. They think that all those democrats who are for Bernie will automatically throw into supporting Clinton. Yes there will be some, but an unknown number will then switch to what ever the opposition to Clinton is available.

Argue and name calling is not going to change that fact. What we do not know and the dems hope upon hope is that so many do not shift their vote to knock the queen to be off her perch. And that they should be concerned about.

If any of the Clinton supporters have evidence of any kind demonstrating how much of the Nernie supporters will fall for Clinton, we anxiously await such.

[Guest]

The democrats who are following Bernie are not doing so because they like Bernie. They are party loyal and he is the only option they think they have to the criminal Clinton.

The opposition keeps talking how all the different groups will martial upon Clinton propelling her to an annointment of her queenship.

They are making one big mistake. They think that all those democrats who are for Bernie will automatically throw into supporting Clinton. Yes there will be some, but an unknown number will then switch to what ever the opposition to Clinton is available.

Argue and name calling is not going to change that fact. What we do not know and the dems hope upon hope is that so many do not shift their vote to knock the queen to be off her perch. And that they should be concerned about.

If any of the Clinton supporters have evidence of any kind demonstrating how much of the Nernie supporters will fall for Clinton, we anxiously await such.

A valid point.

The DNC is so scared that Hillary can't pull it off, and also scared that she might pull it off, that they are trying to sabotage Trumps run at the presidency. But, the RNC is doing that also. No one likes their choices and now it is too late because thanks to Obama, everyone is mad and in a hurry to get the establishment out of D.C. November is sure to be chaos.

[Guest]

Well, this is kinda rambling. But I wanted to point out that there's a major difference between someone that produces, from someone that simply leeches. #1 Bill Gates created an empire. There's no way anyone can say he didn't build Microsoft. His wealth derives from what he created and grew into a mega corporation. Alternatively, the typical corporate executive is part of a clique of wealthy executive bigwigs. They did little more than bounce around in board rooms and executive tete-e-tetes.

And, trickle-down is a pipe dream.
I see Gates and Jobs as a high tech version [visionary?] of the Gillette trick. "We'll give you the razor but you have to buy the blades from us." That's the profit.

Jobs gave you the software and overcharged you for the PC. Gates let someone else give you the PC and charged for the software to make it work. Just imagine if the guy who built the mouse trap gave it away but owned the rights to cheese.

I think the wealthiest person or family in the world deserves to be the Fleming family. At least for now. That's another problem that your kids will need to figure out to survive.

[Guest]

A valid point.

The DNC is so scared that Hillary can't pull it off, and also scared that she might pull it off, that they are trying to sabotage Trumps run at the presidency. But, the RNC is doing that also. No one likes their choices and now it is too late because thanks to Obama, everyone is mad and in a hurry to get the establishment out of D.C. November is sure to be chaos.

The RNC is fighting to maintain cronyism and politics as usual as well as assure their sponsors, supporters, special interest and minority groups that their benfits will continue.

The establishment R or D or non American interests needs an enema.......