Trashing our Flag on the 4th

[OldManTime]

The Lady 2 doors down, that puts her garbage and trash in the street, just walked buy with her dog, and she stopped at my American flag, and let her dog **** on it!
We see where her head is at…..

[Gpsma]

Where was your flag that the dog could get at it? Did you say anything to her?

[village dreamer]

I don't think that was a 'lady ' .

[villagetinker]

Many of my neighbors and myself have the small flags lining our driveways all the way down to the street, and along the street, so I guess the dog walker exercised her right to be a complete careless idiot, and let her dog do its thing. I am very lucky, as there must be well over a dozen dogs in my immediate neighborhood, and ALL of them are very careful about where their dogs go and cleaning up after them.

OP, I have seen some motion activated ultrasonic dog avoidance devices, maybe 1 or 2 of these positioned on your lawn and the dog will learn to avoid it.

[Jima64]

Sounds like a no brainer dog person, I have two dogs, that only wants to let the dog piZZ off her yard.

[NotGolfer]

Not saying this is true about this lady....but I know of a woman who has dementia and walks her dog occassionally. MIGHT be the case here as well!! Though I'd still be angry!!

[Bosoxfan]

Although it may look nice ,and those that do it may feel patriotic, I've never understood putting any flag so close to the ground that things like this could happen. Cemeteries may be the only place this display should occur. There aren't any dogs walking around cemeteries. There aren't cars driving by and splashing water and dirt onto the flags during a storm.,and hopefully caretakers of the property aren't allowing the flags to touch the ground.Also the American flag isn't supposed to be flown lower than any flag in its vicinity.
Regardless of how I feel if someone is allowing a dog to relieve itself on a flag something is terribly off with this person. IMHO

[rubicon]

I've place such flags along my driveway for a umber of years and never have I had a need to replace them??????

[golfing eagles]

The Lady 2 doors down, that puts her garbage and trash in the street, just walked buy with her dog, and she stopped at my American flag, and let her dog **** on it!
We see where her head is at…..

United States code, Title 18, Part I, Chapter 33, section 700, subsection A

(1) Whoever knowingly mutilates, defaces, physically defiles, burns, maintains on the floor or ground, or tramples upon any flag of the United States shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than one year, or both.

[RickeyD]

United States code, Title 18, Part I, Chapter 33, section 700, subsection A



(1) Whoever knowingly mutilates, defaces, physically defiles, burns, maintains on the floor or ground, or tramples upon any flag of the United States shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than one year, or both.



Ripe for another Supreme Court challenge.

[golfing eagles]

Ripe for another Supreme Court challenge.

Actually, I were the judge in the case, I would wave the fine and the prison term, and sentence her to 1 year community service, 8 hours a day, 1 day/week. The time would be split between embroidering stars on American flags while listening to a tape loop of John Phillip Sousa's "The Stars and Stripes Forever" and teaching inner city underprivileged kids the Pledge of Allegiance (and possibly one highly placed elected official as well)

[Gpsma]

Ripe for another Supreme Court challenge.

Think flag desecration, especially politically motivated flag burning, has been ruled on already. It is considered Free Speech.

Not sure how a dog relieving itself falls into that decision...but somehow, i doubt this incident will be heard by the Supreme Court.

[TVMayor]

Is this the dog?

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/mV_UCHugpt0/hqdefault.jpg

[John_W]

...just walked buy with her dog, and she stopped at my American flag, and let her dog **** on it! We see where her head is at…..

Besides the flag, she doesn't think much of you. It's your yard and your flag and her dog. If I had seen that, I would of gone outside and delivered a few choice words and if a water hose was near, I would quickly watered down the urine on the grass and on the flag and tried my best not get her too wet if she was in the way.

[golfing eagles]

Is this the dog?

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/mV_UCHugpt0/hqdefault.jpg

No. The dog in question did however pledge allegiance to the dog in the picture:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[golfing eagles]

Besides the flag, she doesn't think much of you. It's your yard and your flag and her dog. If I had seen that, I would of gone outside and delivered a few choice words and if a water hose was near, I would quickly watered down the urine on the grass and on the flag and tried my best not get her too wet if she was in the way.

I agree, except I would not have tried "my best" to keep her dry.

[logdog]

United States code, Title 18, Part I, Chapter 33, section 700, subsection A

(1) Whoever knowingly mutilates, defaces, physically defiles, burns, maintains on the floor or ground, or tramples upon any flag of the United States shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than one year, or both.

Unfortunately, that section of the code (also known as the Flag Protection Act) was struck down by the Supreme Court in 1990.

Flag Protection Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_Protection_Act)

[Taltarzac725]

United States code, Title 18, Part I, Chapter 33, section 700, subsection A

(1) Whoever knowingly mutilates, defaces, physically defiles, burns, maintains on the floor or ground, or tramples upon any flag of the United States shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than one year, or both.

I wonder what they actually meant with the word "flag" here though?

18 U.S. Code SS 700 - Desecration of the flag of the United States; penalties | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/700)

[karostay]

United States code, Title 18, Part I, Chapter 33, section 700, subsection A

(1) Whoever knowingly mutilates, defaces, physically defiles, burns, maintains on the floor or ground, or tramples upon any flag of the United States shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than one year, or both.
I don't think you'll find a single court that would prosecute the dog
Pet was the perpetrator not the lady

[Taltarzac725]

I wonder what they actually meant with the word "flag" here though?

18 U.S. Code SS 700 - Desecration of the flag of the United States; penalties | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/700)

U. of Florida frat accused of spitting on veterans, peeing on American flag | Voices From Campus News for College Students | USA TODAY College (http://college.usatoday.com/2015/04/24/u-of-florida-fraternity-accused-of-spitting-peeing-on-american-flag/)

Any know of any legal cases on this???

[golfing eagles]

I don't think you'll find a single court that would prosecute the dog
Pet was the perpetrator not the lady

The dog had to be on a leash
The "lady" controlled the leash
If you wire your neighbors house with explosives then put the detonator ready to go where your dog walks, the dog is not the perpetrator
I believe the legal standard is whether the reasonably prudent individual could forsee the circumstance

[dewilson58]

The good thing is we are more than a flag.

[kcrazorbackfan]

Besides the flag, she doesn't think much of you. It's your yard and your flag and her dog. If I had seen that, I would of gone outside and delivered a few choice words and if a water hose was near, I would quickly watered down the urine on the grass and on the flag and tried my best not get her too wet if she was in the way.

Nowadays, the water in those hoses can be mighty hot after sitting in the sun all day; she might get a steam bath.

Not the dogs fault, folks. They go wherever their owners let them go; call the owners out. I do my best to get my "girls" to go in our yard before we start on our walk.

[karostay]

The dog had to be on a leash
The "lady" controlled the leash
If you wire your neighbors house with explosives then put the detonator ready to go where your dog walks, the dog is not the perpetrator
I believe the legal standard is whether the reasonably prudent individual could forsee the circumstance
Exactly in his case the detonator was the flag.It could have been a fire hydrant.....Dogs freedom of speach

[Here2Stay]

Sorry but of all the things in one's life to worry about, this appears to be the last issue I would be concerned with, GEE at this stage in ALL our lives, worry about the real issues, you better enjoy each day you have and make the most of it, we all are on a time table now!

[Taltarzac725]

U. of Florida frat accused of spitting on veterans, peeing on American flag | Voices From Campus News for College Students | USA TODAY College (http://college.usatoday.com/2015/04/24/u-of-florida-fraternity-accused-of-spitting-peeing-on-american-flag/)

Any know of any legal cases on this???

United States v. Eichman :: 496 U.S. 310 (1990) :: Justia U.S. Supreme Court Center (https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/496/310/case.html)

I should have read some of the prior posts.

[Nucky]

A political dog poop post? :popcorn:


You know you either respect or you don't. A person of any quality who knock's over something in a store pick's it up even when no one is looking. We tried to raise our children and grandchildren to do the rite thing all the time.....to quote another TOTV poster from several months back...my watch is over....until it is a personal attack or a whopper against our country. Chances are great that the crime described here was not of the magnitude described but if it was it is truly despicable. As far as turning it political...a clown move at best...thanks for the laugh.:popcorn:

[kcrazorbackfan]

Sorry but of all the things in one's life to worry about, this appears to be the last issue I would be concerned with, GEE at this stage in ALL our lives, worry about the real issues, you better enjoy each day you have and make the most of it, we all are on a time table now!

Spot on; everyone has been on a timetable since that first breath; some have lasted longer than others and some of us on TOTV probably won't be here by the end of the year; not much time left to sweat the small stuff......

[Taltarzac725]

Spot on; everyone has been on a timetable since that first breath; some have lasted longer than others and some of us on TOTV probably won't be here by the end of the year; not much time left to sweat the small stuff......

That's true and I have lost some who I consider good online friends since I came on here in July 2007. Some way before their time. You never know what fate, karma, or whatever has in store for you.

My hope is that they are all here in some way or another.