Medicare for ALL.

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Obamacare is collapsing. Insurers pulling out. Cost is astronomical. .......Clinton needs Sanders supporters....Sanders wants everyone on Medicare. 2+2= 4....if you are not satisfied with your Medicare now perhaps it will be better for you when you share it with children of illegal aliens and everyone else....except Congress that is....Elect Clintons and you will find out.

[Guest]

Medicare for all---sounds good on the surface, but....

The plan is going bankrupt with just seniors, imagine the deficit if everyone was included. Your FICA withholding would dwarf your income tax!!!!

[Guest]

Obamacare is collapsing. Insurers pulling out. Cost is astronomical. .......Clinton needs Sanders supporters....Sanders wants everyone on Medicare. 2+2= 4....if you are not satisfied with your Medicare now perhaps it will be better for you when you share it with children of illegal aliens and everyone else....except Congress that is....Elect Clintons and you will find out.

I think that the richest country in the world should provide healthcare and education for all. it is just not right to agree that only rich successful people should be able to afford both.

[Guest]

Medicare for all---sounds good on the surface, but....

The plan is going bankrupt with just seniors, imagine the deficit if everyone was included. Your FICA withholding would dwarf your income tax!!!!

it is far from bankrupt.

[Guest]

Medicare is the crappiest program we have. What a disgrace! You pay for it for 45 years or more before you can use it, and then it only covers hospitalization. Nothing else.. That's got to be a crime.

[Guest]

I think that the richest country in the world should provide healthcare and education for all. it is just not right to agree that only rich successful people should be able to afford both.

The richest country in the world is now trillions in debt.

[Guest]

it is far from bankrupt.
You are wrong it is bankrupt unless you call adding cost to deficit for our grand children to pay. In that case it is OK.

[Guest]

I think that the richest country in the world should provide healthcare and education for all. it is just not right to agree that only rich successful people should be able to afford both.

Makes a point I guess. Even though it is far, far from the point.

Think about what was stated above. Only the rich can afford to have health care and get an education. Really.

Must be a talking point issued that requires no thought before using.

It is just common sense and in actuality INCORRECT!!!!!

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Medicare is the crappiest program we have. What a disgrace! You pay for it for 45 years or more before you can use it, and then it only covers hospitalization. Nothing else.. That's got to be a crime.
I would gladly pay you back every cent you paid in to Medicare if I could have what Medicare is going to spend on you until you reach room temperature. That is the real problem with Medicare.

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I would gladly pay you back every cent you paid in to Medicare if I could have what Medicare is going to spend on you until you reach room temperature. That is the real problem with Medicare.

Medicare has not spent a dime on me yet. I have full coverage private insurance. Medicare is a waste and if I could I wouldn't have paid into it.

Obama wanted a single payer system and thanks to Obamacare, it looks like he will see it. Believe me when I say that we do NOT want socialized medicine. I have been to and lived in many countries and have seen the nightmares. In those type of countries, only the rich make out in health care.

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Medicare is the crappiest program we have. What a disgrace! You pay for it for 45 years or more before you can use it, and then it only covers hospitalization. Nothing else.. That's got to be a crime.

Wow! Where the :censored: do you live?
You are either completely uninformed.
Or too young to have medicare yet and have no idea what you are talking about.
Your statement of "...nothing else..." is totally incorrect.

[Guest]

I would gladly pay you back every cent you paid in to Medicare if I could have what Medicare is going to spend on you until you reach room temperature. That is the real problem with Medicare.

I'll take that deal. But before you agree, realize I've paid about 300K into it, which invested at the average market return of 8% would double every 9 years. So take the midpoint, 150K, and multiply by 16 for a total return of 2.4 million. Since Medicare pays 80% of approved charges, that's an even 3 million in charges. Still want to make the deal??????

[Guest]

Medicare is the crappiest program we have. What a disgrace! You pay for it for 45 years or more before you can use it, and then it only covers hospitalization. Nothing else.. That's got to be a crime.

You pay a pittance compare to what you get. Medicare part A is hospitalization, part B is doctors, part D is prescriptions started in 2008. Just how many in nursing homes on welfare, vegetables, yet given a mirad of tests.

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You pay a pittance compare to what you get. Medicare part A is hospitalization, part B is doctors, part D is prescriptions started in 2008. Just how many in nursing homes on welfare, vegetables, yet given a mirad of tests.

Depends on the number of lawyers within 5 miles of the nursing home

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Wow! Where the :censored: do you live?
You are either completely uninformed.
Or too young to have medicare yet and have no idea what you are talking about.
Your statement of "...nothing else..." is totally incorrect.

Nope, I have Medicare and I have researched it enough to know what I have and don't have. I bet you a dollar to a donut that you don't if you are in disagreement with my statement. Go ahead and look up Medicare "A" coverage, because that is ALL you get for all those years you invested in it. Medicare "b, c, d, etc" are all supplements that you pay extra for AFTER you reach Medicare eligibility, if you desire to pay for it. And what is really interesting is that you basically have to tell them that you do not wish them to take out $105 per month from your social security to pay for Medicare B. Check it out on their website if you don't believe me. I have medicare "A" and it doesn't pay for much else except hospitalization. No doctor visits, no prescriptions, etc. So, am I wrong?

I pay close to a grand per month for private health insurance for my wife an I. Medicare A is redundant. If I had nothing else but Medicare A, it still wouldn't be enough and I would have to allow them to take funds from my social security to pay for Medicare B and D.

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Look, if Hillary gets elected your Medicare Progepram is dead.

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Nope, I have Medicare and I have researched it enough to know what I have and don't have. I bet you a dollar to a donut that you don't if you are in disagreement with my statement. Go ahead and look up Medicare "A" coverage, because that is ALL you get for all those years you invested in it. Medicare "b, c, d, etc" are all supplements that you pay extra for AFTER you reach Medicare eligibility, if you desire to pay for it. And what is really interesting is that you basically have to tell them that you do not wish them to take out $105 per month from your social security to pay for Medicare B. Check it out on their website if you don't believe me. I have medicare "A" and it doesn't pay for much else except hospitalization. No doctor visits, no prescriptions, etc. So, am I wrong?

I pay close to a grand per month for private health insurance for my wife an I. Medicare A is redundant. If I had nothing else but Medicare A, it still wouldn't be enough and I would have to allow them to take funds from my social security to pay for Medicare B and D.

I have Villages Medicare Advantage. It cost Zero ( they take the oremium I would pay anyway) I love it. Had a few incidents and it worked fine.

[Guest]

The OP point has been completely lost. Vote for Hillary and your Health Care is in big trouble

[Guest]

I have Villages Medicare Advantage. It cost Zero ( they take the oremium I would pay anyway) I love it. Had a few incidents and it worked fine.

You probably don't even realize that if you have Medicare B, it is being deducted from your Social Security. A lot of folks do not realize it, because you have to notify SS if you do not want Medicare B.

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You probably don't even realize that if you have Medicare B, it is being deducted from your Social Security. A lot of folks do not realize it, because you have to notify SS if you do not want Medicare B.

I have a HIM medicare preferred and I pay zero premium. I do know there is a deduction from my social check, however, it is small amount for great coverage. Before 65 I was paying over $600 per month for not so good coverage, praying that nothing would happen to me. They could raise my premium and I could not afford the increase.

It's great that some, mostly gov workers, have good coverage, but not everyone has.

[Guest]

Nope, I have Medicare and I have researched it enough to know what I have and don't have. I bet you a dollar to a donut that you don't if you are in disagreement with my statement. Go ahead and look up Medicare "A" coverage, because that is ALL you get for all those years you invested in it. Medicare "b, c, d, etc" are all supplements that you pay extra for AFTER you reach Medicare eligibility, if you desire to pay for it. And what is really interesting is that you basically have to tell them that you do not wish them to take out $105 per month from your social security to pay for Medicare B. Check it out on their website if you don't believe me. I have medicare "A" and it doesn't pay for much else except hospitalization. No doctor visits, no prescriptions, etc. So, am I wrong?

I pay close to a grand per month for private health insurance for my wife an I. Medicare A is redundant. If I had nothing else but Medicare A, it still wouldn't be enough and I would have to allow them to take funds from my social security to pay for Medicare B and D.

No need to research as I am using actual experience.
I can honestly say that since my wife and I have become medicare eligble we have not had to reach in our pockets for any payments except for a minor (less than $10 Rx copay).

That is over a 15 year period.
Cancer surgery and all post surgery radiation treatments.
Major intestinal surgery.
Cataracts.
Knee repair.

All the lab work including periodic blood testing, MRI, cat scans, etc.

Physical therapy.

Just to name afew.

Having to not pay one dollar for medical events in an aging life is far from crap.
Having complete coverage, 100% of ANY medical need.
And being a user of traditional Medicare with a supplement we are not restricted to any doctor, group of doctors or specialists or hospitals anywhere in the world.

To each his own, however, there has to be some underlying reason to label Medicare coverage as "crap" and that it is insufficient.

[Guest]

I think that the richest country in the world should provide healthcare and education for all. it is just not right to agree that only rich successful people should be able to afford both.

Everyone does get healthcare. No one is rejected. Delivery systems do differ.

[Guest]

Everyone does get healthcare. No one is rejected. Delivery systems do differ.


When you say FREE does that mean no one pays? If no one pays, do teachers and doctors donate their services? Do landlords donate their buildings? Do Utilities donate their services?

Where do you live that everyone is willing to do this?

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I think that the richest country in the world should provide healthcare and education for all. it is just not right to agree that only rich successful people should be able to afford both.

I "think" that you are what is known as a LOW INFORMATION VOTER. Please get educated before you cast a vote so you do not cancel out the vote of someone who takes the time to learn why your question is so stupid. Hint: Nothing is FREE.

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I "think" that you are what is known as a LOW INFORMATION VOTER. Please get educated before you cast a vote so you do not cancel out the vote of someone who takes the time to learn why your question is so stupid. Hint: Nothing is FREE.

:agree::agree::agree:

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I "think" that you are what is known as a LOW INFORMATION VOTER. Please get educated before you cast a vote so you do not cancel out the vote of someone who takes the time to learn why your question is so stupid. Hint: Nothing is FREE.

But that's what the minorities and women want/think...that "someone" magically does everything needed.

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But that's what the minorities and women want/think...that "someone" magically does everything needed.

SOME minorities
SOME women

also

SOME men
SOME whites

Don't turn a socioeconomic scenario into a racial/gender/religious one

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I "think" that you are what is known as a LOW INFORMATION VOTER. Please get educated before you cast a vote so you do not cancel out the vote of someone who takes the time to learn why your question is so stupid. Hint: Nothing is FREE.

Of course it's FREE! It's paid for with 'Obama Bucks'.:D

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No need to research as I am using actual experience.
I can honestly say that since my wife and I have become medicare eligble we have not had to reach in our pockets for any payments except for a minor (less than $10 Rx copay).

That is over a 15 year period.
Cancer surgery and all post surgery radiation treatments.
Major intestinal surgery.
Cataracts.
Knee repair.

All the lab work including periodic blood testing, MRI, cat scans, etc.

Physical therapy.

Just to name afew.

Having to not pay one dollar for medical events in an aging life is far from crap.
Having complete coverage, 100% of ANY medical need.
And being a user of traditional Medicare with a supplement we are not restricted to any doctor, group of doctors or specialists or hospitals anywhere in the world.

To each his own, however, there has to be some underlying reason to label Medicare coverage as "crap" and that it is insufficient.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but you should keep an eye on your money better. Medicare A does not pay for all of that. You are paying or someone is paying for you for the other services. Medicare A provides only:

Hospital care
Skilled nursing facility care
Nursing home care (as long as custodial care isn't the only care you need)
Hospice
Home health services
Part A medicare deductible for hospital care is: $1,288 deductible for each benefit period

What Part A covers | Medicare.gov (https://www.medicare.gov/what-medicare-covers/part-a/what-part-a-covers.html)

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No need to research as I am using actual experience.
I can honestly say that since my wife and I have become medicare eligble we have not had to reach in our pockets for any payments except for a minor (less than $10 Rx copay).

That is over a 15 year period.
Cancer surgery and all post surgery radiation treatments.
Major intestinal surgery.
Cataracts.
Knee repair.

All the lab work including periodic blood testing, MRI, cat scans, etc.

Physical therapy.

Just to name afew.

Having to not pay one dollar for medical events in an aging life is far from crap.
Having complete coverage, 100% of ANY medical need.
And being a user of traditional Medicare with a supplement we are not restricted to any doctor, group of doctors or specialists or hospitals anywhere in the world.

To each his own, however, there has to be some underlying reason to label Medicare coverage as "crap" and that it is insufficient.

And just who pays for your supplement...
which covers what Medicare doesn't?

[Guest]

No need to research as I am using actual experience.
I can honestly say that since my wife and I have become medicare eligble we have not had to reach in our pockets for any payments except for a minor (less than $10 Rx copay).

That is over a 15 year period.
Cancer surgery and all post surgery radiation treatments.
Major intestinal surgery.
Cataracts.
Knee repair.

All the lab work including periodic blood testing, MRI, cat scans, etc.

Physical therapy.

Just to name afew.

Having to not pay one dollar for medical events in an aging life is far from crap.
Having complete coverage, 100% of ANY medical need.
And being a user of traditional Medicare with a supplement we are not restricted to any doctor, group of doctors or specialists or hospitals anywhere in the world.

To each his own, however, there has to be some underlying reason to label Medicare coverage as "crap" and that it is insufficient.

Traditional Medicare with SUPPLEMENT, so it is not all covered by Medicare is it?

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I indicated having standard medicare and a suplement.

Between the two everything has been covered.

So my bubble is not burst at all. Totally satisfied that ALL the health care needs are met with 100% satisfaction.

And the supplement is significantly less than what has been stated as paying for non medicare, non crap coverage.

I do not know of anybody that chooses standard medicare that does not also have a supplental policy.

Different strokes for different folks.

[Guest]

I indicated having standard medicare and a suplement.

Between the two everything has been covered.

So my bubble is not burst at all. Totally satisfied that ALL the health care needs are met with 100% satisfaction.

And the supplement is significantly less than what has been stated as paying for non medicare, non crap coverage.

I do not know of anybody that chooses standard medicare that does not also have a supplental policy.

Different strokes for different folks.
You stated that you pay nothing out of pocket,
but that is not true, you pay a premium for your supplement,
and you paid for Medicare for years, so you are paying plenty!
You got a weird way of assessing your costs!

[Guest]

Obamacare is collapsing. Insurers pulling out. Cost is astronomical. .......Clinton needs Sanders supporters....Sanders wants everyone on Medicare. 2+2= 4....if you are not satisfied with your Medicare now perhaps it will be better for you when you share it with children of illegal aliens and everyone else....except Congress that is....Elect Clintons and you will find out.

And the alternative offered by Mr Trump is...........

[Guest]

And the alternative offered by Mr Trump is...........

ANYTHING else

[Guest]

And the alternative offered by Mr Trump is...........

Why don't you visit Trumps website and see what he proposes!
It's all there!

[Guest]

Why don't you visit Trumps website and see what he proposes!
It's all there!

I've read Trump's website. What part of Congress is going to agree with much of anything this guy has proposed?

[Guest]

I've read Trump's website. What part of Congress is going to agree with much of anything this guy has proposed?

Obamacare is collapsing, so it has to go or be
drastically revised, so it coincides with reality.
But reality is so hard for liberals to accept!
We are running out or other people's $$$

[Guest]

I've read Trump's website. What part of Congress is going to agree with much of anything this guy has proposed?

You asked what Trump offered, and he has offered
an alternative, but you would rather keep a collapsing program, that does nothing to reduce costs or make healthcare better!

[Guest]

You stated that you pay nothing out of pocket,
but that is not true, you pay a premium for your supplement,
and you paid for Medicare for years, so you are paying plenty!
You got a weird way of assessing your costs!

Excuse me, I also pay no premium for my suppliment. I have a co-payment, $ 20 for doctor, $30 for specialists. That, in my opinion, is peanuts. Maybe you should look into other plans. I am very happy with mine.

Medicare payment deductions were 1 percent. What was your salary 50 years ago?

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Excuse me, I also pay no premium for my suppliment. I have a co-payment, $ 20 for doctor, $30 for specialists. That, in my opinion, is peanuts. Maybe you should look into other plans. I am very happy with mine.

Medicare payment deductions were 1 percent. What was your salary 50 years ago?

Somebody pays the premium for your supplement and now you do say you have co-pays.
It takes awhile to get the whole story from you!
I paid Medicare deductions for 40 plus years and
they weren't just 1% You exaggerate a lot!

[Guest]

Somebody pays the premium for your supplement and now you do say you have co-pays.
It takes awhile to get the whole story from you!
I paid Medicare deductions for 40 plus years and
they weren't just 1% You exaggerate a lot!

I am a different "guest", that you attacked earlier. Just Google medicare deductions. 1percent.

[Guest]

Why don't you visit Trumps website and see what he proposes!
It's all there!

I visit that site often.

He has NOT even come close to offering a plan. He says Congress should come up with a plan.

He offers a few changes already in bill form in congress, which the way it looks he will cause the GOP to lose.

Don't get sucked up in platitudes.

This is not "The Apprentice"...

[Guest]

I visit that site often.

He has NOT even come close to offering a plan. He says Congress should come up with a plan.

He offers a few changes already in bill form in congress, which the way it looks he will cause the GOP to lose.

Don't get sucked up in platitudes.

This is not "The Apprentice"...

That is precisely why we need Trump, and to get rid of a lot of Democrats,
since America can no longer afford them.
And that means we can't afford them weakening our
nations economy and security!

[Guest]

I'll take that deal. But before you agree, realize I've paid about 300K into it, which invested at the average market return of 8% would double every 9 years. So take the midpoint, 150K, and multiply by 16 for a total return of 2.4 million. Since Medicare pays 80% of approved charges, that's an even 3 million in charges. Still want to make the deal??????
If you indeed paid over 300K into Medicare you were either grossly over paid or you had a poor accountant. If you were a brain surgeon please disregard this post.

[Guest]

Medicare is the crappiest program we have. What a disgrace! You pay for it for 45 years or more before you can use it, and then it only covers hospitalization. Nothing else.. That's got to be a crime.

As an ex-NewYorker I still recall when in N.Y. one of the most expensive areas in the US for electric power there was a movement to have government take over form con edison.
Kotch was the mayor at the time and he publicly said,If, you think it is expensive now you have no idea how expensive it will get if government takes it over.

Look at what our government has done with the money we were FORCED to trust them with. The money you paid in contrary to what you and I want to believe was spent to buy votes from the people before us.

As to has to be a crime. We've been told that China is oir largest creditor. Sadly, we are being fed ....... baloney and we will vote on MISINFORMATION. China is not our largest creditor nation Japan is. Even worse, together Japan and China hold just under 20% of our DOUBLED BY OBAMA national debt. Social Security holds 42% of the national debt.

CRIME of course it is.

[Guest]

I visit that site often.

He has NOT even come close to offering a plan. He says Congress should come up with a plan.

He offers a few changes already in bill form in congress, which the way it looks he will cause the GOP to lose.

Don't get sucked up in platitudes.

This is not "The Apprentice"...


You must be kidding. If course Congress will be involved, to actually read a plan unlike the last time.

Healthcare Reform | Donald J Trump for President (https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/healthcare-reform)

[Guest]

The richest country in the world is now trillions in debt.

We are being told over and over and over again that our national debt is 20 trillion dollars and that Obama added 10 trillion to that.

Stop a minute to THINK. Gerbils, Hitler's propaganda man said if you say something over and over again it becomes fact. The fact is that few of us can comprehend what TWENTY TRILLION DOLLARS IS. Personally the largest sale I ever wrote was 2.5 million so I could claim, I'd be lying a bit, that I can comprehend that number. When we go into numbers like a billion and a trillion I simply can't claim to get my head around it YET WE THROW THOSE NUMBERS AROUND-LIKE THEY MAKE SENSE

I keep asking-WHAT DID OBAMA BUY WITH THAT MONEY
Roads-nope, Parks-nope, Dams-nope, art projects-nope.
Gee mr Obama I know you sent your wife to monico to buy a dress, I know your golf with security etc an't cheap but WHAT DID YOU BUY WITH TAXPAYER MONEY????

[Guest]

I would gladly pay you back every cent you paid in to Medicare if I could have what Medicare is going to spend on you until you reach room temperature. That is the real problem with Medicare.

The real problem is GOVERNMENT. When, we were working they had excess money coming in. Rather then holding and investing that money, typical of government they used it to buy votes. Now we come along-surprise, government had all the numbers. Each day we would get older and eventually we would retire and expect what we paid for. We expect what the people before us got.

If, I recall, when social security was started there were 16 workers for every person collecting. Due to births after WWII and the fact that our people, at least our people WHO WORK AND PAY TAXES, has not grown at the same rate as people collecting. Today there are only 2.5 people working to pay the social security benefits we expect to collect.

I've posted the same thing several times. We are being fed misinformation and so we will vote on misinformation.
It sounds crazy-confirm it for yourself.
We have been told that China is our largest creditor. Fact is we owe slightly more to Japan then to China. FAR MORE IMPORTANT. Together Japan and China hold less than 20% of our national debt-SOCIAL SECURITY HOLDS 42% OF OUR NATIONAL DEBT. OBAMA OVERSPENT TEN TRILLION DOLLARS. Stop to THINK do you understand what a TRILLION DOLLARS IS-I DON'T. You had no choice
OBAMA SPENT you money that you put into this ponzi scheme for 40+ years.

For the poster above. Long term stock market returns are 8%. I've paid into social security for 45 years. Rule of 72
at 8% the money I put in would double every 9 years.
I was self employed and so paid in 13% of my gross a few times, i reached the top where you then get money not taxed by social security. For me and I would expect for most people living in the villages PRIVATE INSURANCE WOULD HAVE BEEN A MUCH BETTER AND LESS COSTLY ALTERNATIVE.

[Guest]

We are being told over and over and over again that our national debt is 20 trillion dollars and that Obama added 10 trillion to that.

Stop a minute to THINK. Gerbils, Hitler's propaganda man said if you say something over and over again it becomes fact. The fact is that few of us can comprehend what TWENTY TRILLION DOLLARS IS. Personally the largest sale I ever wrote was 2.5 million so I could claim, I'd be lying a bit, that I can comprehend that number. When we go into numbers like a billion and a trillion I simply can't claim to get my head around it YET WE THROW THOSE NUMBERS AROUND-LIKE THEY MAKE SENSE

I keep asking-WHAT DID OBAMA BUY WITH THAT MONEY
Roads-nope, Parks-nope, Dams-nope, art projects-nope.
Gee mr Obama I know you sent your wife to monico to buy a dress, I know your golf with security etc an't cheap but WHAT DID YOU BUY WITH TAXPAYER MONEY????

Excellent questions, and it tells me if you want to accomplish meaningful things
with your funds don't get the federal government involved.
Our federal government has a terrible track record
of doing things efficiently and economically!

[Guest]

[QUOTE=Guest;1274175]The real problem is GOVERNMENT. When, we were working they had excess money coming in. Rather then holding and investing that money, typical of government they used it to buy votes. Now we come along-surprise, government had all the numbers. Each day we would get older and eventually we would retire and expect what we paid for. We expect what the people before us got.

If, I recall, when social security was started there were 16 workers for every person collecting. Due to births after WWII and the fact that our people, at least our people WHO WORK AND PAY TAXES, has not grown at the same rate as people collecting. Today there are only 2.5 people working to pay the social security benefits we expect to collect.

I've posted the same thing several times. We are being fed misinformation and so we will vote on misinformation.
It sounds crazy-confirm it for yourself.
We have been told that China is our largest creditor. Fact is we owe slightly more to Japan then to China. FAR MORE IMPORTANT. Together Japan and China hold less than 20% of our national debt-SOCIAL SECURITY HOLDS 42% OF OUR NATIONAL DEBT. OBAMA OVERSPENT TEN TRILLION DOLLARS. Stop to THINK do you understand what a TRILLION DOLLARS IS-I DON'T. You had no choice
OBAMA SPENT you money that you put into this ponzi scheme for 40+ years.

For the poster above. Long term stock market returns are 8%. I've paid into social security for 45 years. Rule of 72
at 8% the money I put in would double every 9 years.
I was self employed and so paid in 13% of my gross a few times, i reached the top where you then get money not taxed by social security. For me and I would expect for most people living in the villages PRIVATE INSURANCE WOULD HAVE BEEN A MUCH BETTER AND LESS COSTLY ALTERNATIVE.[/QUOTE

Great question. I don't know the answer and neither does Obama

[Guest]

No need to research as I am using actual experience.
I can honestly say that since my wife and I have become medicare eligble we have not had to reach in our pockets for any payments except for a minor (less than $10 Rx copay).

That is over a 15 year period.
Cancer surgery and all post surgery radiation treatments.
Major intestinal surgery.
Cataracts.
Knee repair.

All the lab work including periodic blood testing, MRI, cat scans, etc.

Physical therapy.

Just to name afew.

Having to not pay one dollar for medical events in an aging life is far from crap.
Having complete coverage, 100% of ANY medical need.
And being a user of traditional Medicare with a supplement we are not restricted to any doctor, group of doctors or specialists or hospitals anywhere in the world.

To each his own, however, there has to be some underlying reason to label Medicare coverage as "crap" and that it is insufficient.

B.S.! You are going to sit there and tell me that you pay nothing for health insurance and get all that. B.S.! Maybe you do not realize that all those premiums are being deducted out of your Social Security, but Medicare A will not pay what you say it paid in itself.

[Guest]

B.S.! You are going to sit there and tell me that you pay nothing for health insurance and get all that. B.S.! Maybe you do not realize that all those premiums are being deducted out of your Social Security, but Medicare A will not pay what you say it paid in itself.

Yes, it is true, I ALSO, have that coverage. Had 2 knee replacement, doctor, surgery,lab, everything covered. Did have small co pay for 2 days in hospital and co pay for physical therapy after 12 visits. $5 co pay for medication outpatient. I have no premium payment.

[Guest]

Yes, it is true, I ALSO, have that coverage. Had 2 knee replacement, doctor, surgery,lab, everything covered. Did have small co pay for 2 days in hospital and co pay for physical therapy after 12 visits. $5 co pay for medication outpatient. I have no premium payment.

You have to be carrying a supplement besides Medicare,
and either you or someone is paying for it!
Who is paying for your supplement?
Who is paying for your part B medical?

[Guest]

Yes, it is true, I ALSO, have that coverage. Had 2 knee replacement, doctor, surgery,lab, everything covered. Did have small co pay for 2 days in hospital and co pay for physical therapy after 12 visits. $5 co pay for medication outpatient. I have no premium payment.

I have Medicare and a supplement, but I pay a monthly premium for part B out of my monthly social security, and I also pay a premium for my supplement! So it is hard to believe that you pay no premiums at all.

[Guest]

I have Medicare and a supplement, but I pay a monthly premium for part B out of my monthly social security, and I also pay a premium for my supplement! So it is hard to believe that you pay no premiums at all.

Yes, I pay monthly social security for Medicare plus I have a supplement with no premium. Tufts Medicare Preferred Plan.

[Guest]

Yes, I pay monthly social security for Medicare plus I have a supplement with no premium. Tufts Medicare Preferred Plan.

Then you do pay premiums in addition to your co-pays.
Can you go to any specialist you want?

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If you indeed paid over 300K into Medicare you were either grossly over paid or you had a poor accountant. If you were a brain surgeon please disregard this post.

self employed pay both halves---2.9% with no ceiling on income. So anyone who earned around 300K/year paid $8700/year, x 35 years is just over 300K. My brother was a partner in the largest business of its kind, and in his last year earned about 4 million, = 116K in Medicare tax alone. So much for " a pittance"

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Yes, I pay monthly social security for Medicare plus I have a supplement with no premium. Tufts Medicare Preferred Plan.

Tufts Medicare preferred is an advantage plan/HMO, not a supplement--which is why you pay no premium. Google it.

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Tufts Medicare preferred is an advantage plan/HMO, not a supplement--which is why you pay no premium. Google it.

Whatever, I still get great coverage for zero premium. I don't miss the small social security deduction.

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Whatever, I still get great coverage for zero premium. I don't miss the small social security deduction.

You leave out that the part B deduction is really a premium, and you minimize the co-pays you pay for each office visit, plus it is an HMO.

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Medicare for all---sounds good on the surface, but....

The plan is going bankrupt with just seniors, imagine the deficit if everyone was included. Your FICA withholding would dwarf your income tax!!!!

When people do not pay, they do not recognize the cost.
Most every tax in the US is a progressive tax. We just went on medicare. Having worked hard and earned good money, we pay almost twice as much for medicare as the minimum and unlike people who pay less we do not have inflation-rising cost protection.

RE: Obamacare
Our medical care system has been a mess for a very long time. If, you PAY FOR insurance, as we did pre being qualified for medicare medicare your insurance company gets a far lower bill then you would if you CHOSE to self insure-pay your own bills. Personal experience 5 days in the villages hospital was billed 50,000 my insurance paid 30,000 and that covered the bill in full that is a 40% difference.

We read that young healthy people object to being forced to pay for obamacare. Sadly you do need to FORCE people to be responsible.
A too common occurrence. A young healthy person is hit by a car do they scream HELP or do they scream I decided not to have any insurance so just take me to the DUMP.
Nothing is free. Someone must pay to keep that hospital open to pay for all that equipment, to pay the staff AND TO PAY FOR MALPRACTICE INSURANCE.

RE: paying healthcare for illegal aliens.
That bugs me as well BUT, when you eat out perhaps the illegal working there has tuberculosis or????? Both polio and tuberculosis were virtually non existent in the United states. We have been invaded with zangi feaver, zika virus and perhaps even aids. If we choose to deny care these and other diseases will be spread by people with no medical care.

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I think that the richest country in the world should provide healthcare and education for all. it is just not right to agree that only rich successful people should be able to afford both.

AFFORD IS A CHOICE FOR ALL. I've been poor. If, you have only .............. coming in you need to choose how you will spend WHAT YOU EARN. Perhaps, you need to use public transportation rather then buy a car. If a car is necessary, you may need to purchase a cheap car. You may need to find a place where rent is lower. Perhaps you could live and exchange lawn services for part of the rent. You may find you cannot afford cable TV, air conditioning etc etc.
I've always paid my bills. I never thought someone else should pay my bills.
CLEARLY, YOU WILL VOTE SOCIALIST DEMOCRATIC AND I WILL VOTE REPUBLICAN. .

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AFFORD IS A CHOICE FOR ALL. I've been poor. If, you have only .............. coming in you need to choose how you will spend WHAT YOU EARN. Perhaps, you need to use public transportation rather then buy a car. If a car is necessary, you may need to purchase a cheap car. You may need to find a place where rent is lower. Perhaps you could live and exchange lawn services for part of the rent. You may find you cannot afford cable TV, air conditioning etc etc.
I've always paid my bills. I never thought someone else should pay my bills.
CLEARLY, YOU WILL VOTE SOCIALIST DEMOCRATIC AND I WILL VOTE REPUBLICAN. .

I have always lived within my means,
and believed I should pay my own way,
so I will vote Republican to!

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Medicare has not spent a dime on me yet. I have full coverage private insurance. Medicare is a waste and if I could I wouldn't have paid into it.

Obama wanted a single payer system and thanks to Obamacare, it looks like he will see it. Believe me when I say that we do NOT want socialized medicine. I have been to and lived in many countries and have seen the nightmares. In those type of countries, only the rich make out in health care.

When, Bill Clinton was running for office my father voted for him because of the PROMISE of taking care of medical care. My dad was no fool. He was well read and well educated. He was a bit taken back when I said you will not get it because the CLINTONS never mentioned how they were going to pay for it.
I had a friend and a customer with family in Germany that even at that time had national healthcare> I asked him how it works. We start out with the concept of equal care for everyone. So that is mediocre care for everyone-it has to be so. He informed me that people who can do so in germany pay for private healthcare and thus get better care than the state provides. We, Obama never allowed that option in obamacare.
I've read that attorneys add 30-40% to the cost of medical care in the United States. Obama a legal professor married to an attorney never addressed capping the cost of some of these law cases.

You mention that you have private insurance so paying for medicare was a waste for you. I assume that you are not old enough to register for medicare or your plan has not copay or???? What you have said does not seem to make sense. You apparently got healthcare as an employment benefit. Just to tell you, I was self employed we paid 14,000 a year for healthcare insurance. THINK ABOUT IT AND APPRECIATE IT. You received roughly 14,000 a year TAX FREE.
THROUGHOUT HISTORY-IT HAS BEEN THE SAME AS FAR AS TAXES GO. Everyone wants and no one wants to pay.
With, as you stated private health care provided free as oart of your employment YOU likely worked in GOVERNMENT. If, I am correct-then taxes I paid not only paid for your healthcare but your income as well. Again, to remind you-everyone wants and no one wants to pay.

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The posts on this thread all have some amount of truth in them but what is missing is the real root cause of problem. It is not Obamacare or Medicare, it is what we have allowed to happen to healthcare costs. In most cases it was because someone else was paying, either employer or government. A so called middle class family would have their yearly budget destroyed if they had to pay for a child's broken arm out of pocket. We have to do one or more of the following; take the obscene profit out of healthcare, ration care to those without means (as many on this forum promote), limit end of life care paid for by government, or cut back on military and non health entitlements to continue on course we are on now. IMO

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Obamacare is collapsing. Insurers pulling out. Cost is astronomical. .......Clinton needs Sanders supporters....Sanders wants everyone on Medicare. 2+2= 4....if you are not satisfied with your Medicare now perhaps it will be better for you when you share it with children of illegal aliens and everyone else....except Congress that is....Elect Clintons and you will find out.

Yes! Healthcare should be there for ALL people in the USA. Do you want to have illegal immigrants with communicable diseases walking among you?

If someone cannot afford healthcare, it should be provided free!

Denmark is considered the "happiest country" and they have cradle to grave healthcare - which they all like! They have free education through college, they have very low unemployment, they pay high taxes but they get great benefits.

The USA needs to emulate such a society!

Thank you.
Bobby D.

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Yes! Healthcare should be there for ALL people in the USA. Do you want to have illegal immigrants with communicable diseases walking among you?

If someone cannot afford healthcare, it should be provided free!

Denmark is considered the "happiest country" and they have cradle to grave healthcare - which they all like! They have free education through college, they have very low unemployment, they pay high taxes but they get great benefits.

The USA needs to emulate such a society!

Thank you.
Bobby D.


1) By the time the "illegal aliens" with communicable disease are identified and treated, "for free (lol)", they have already spread their disease

2) Once again, I'd like to meet one liberal, just one, who actually understands that nothing is free. Redistribution is much different from free. Must all liberals be reminded of Greece. Never mind, they'll never understand.

3) Denmark has like 3 million people, we have 320 million. Some things cannot be "upsized". The main reason the Danish are "happy" is that they constantly have a blood alcohol level of 0.17

4) If YOU want to "emulate such a society", go away and emulate all you want. Leave my great country alone!!!!!

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Yes, it is true, I ALSO, have that coverage. Had 2 knee replacement, doctor, surgery,lab, everything covered. Did have small co pay for 2 days in hospital and co pay for physical therapy after 12 visits. $5 co pay for medication outpatient. I have no premium payment.

If you are on Medicare, you are paying for those services even though you don't know it. Medicare B is taken out of your Social Security, so YES you are paying for it.

Like I said, Medicare A, which you paid all your working life gives you hardly more than hospitalization. No doctor visits and no prescriptions.

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Yes! Healthcare should be there for ALL people in the USA. Do you want to have illegal immigrants with communicable diseases walking among you?

If someone cannot afford healthcare, it should be provided free!

Denmark is considered the "happiest country" and they have cradle to grave healthcare - which they all like! They have free education through college, they have very low unemployment, they pay high taxes but they get great benefits.

The USA needs to emulate such a society!

Thank you.
Bobby D.

Denmark ranks higher than the US in business freedom, monetary freedom, investment freedom, financial freedom, property freedom and freedom from corruption.

If Denmark were one of the US states, it would rank tenth among the poorest states for per capita GDP.

Average yearly income: 23,213 US Dollars OECD Better Life Index (http://www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org/countries/denmark/)

Every single Scandinavian country ranks higher than the United States in suicide ratesDenmark: 11th in the world
United States: 18th in the world

Denmark has finally passed a law banning bestiality. The previous law only stipulated a ban on intercourse which harmed the animals.


I'm sure you must have meant another country that we should emulate, definitely NOT Demark.

Sorry, but I think I will stick with Good OLD AMERICA.

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Yes! Healthcare should be there for ALL people in the USA. Do you want to have illegal immigrants with communicable diseases walking among you?

If someone cannot afford healthcare, it should be provided free!

Denmark is considered the "happiest country" and they have cradle to grave healthcare - which they all like! They have free education through college, they have very low unemployment, they pay high taxes but they get great benefits.

The USA needs to emulate such a society!

Thank you.
Bobby D.

BS!

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Denmark ranks higher than the US in business freedom, monetary freedom, investment freedom, financial freedom, property freedom and freedom from corruption.

If Denmark were one of the US states, it would rank tenth among the poorest states for per capita GDP.

Average yearly income: 23,213 US Dollars OECD Better Life Index (http://www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org/countries/denmark/)

Every single Scandinavian country ranks higher than the United States in suicide ratesDenmark: 11th in the world
United States: 18th in the world

Denmark has finally passed a law banning bestiality. The previous law only stipulated a ban on intercourse which harmed the animals.


I'm sure you must have meant another country that we should emulate, definitely NOT Demark.

Sorry, but I think I will stick with Good OLD AMERICA.

Well, friend, you really should start doing your own research instead of relying on previous jibber jabber from others.

First, the economic information regarding Denmark is wrong. The median family income in the USA is $54,629. In Denmark, it is $42,916. That would fall between 38 and 39 in the USA. Florida is at number 42.

Suicide rate according to the World Health Organization has Guyana at the highest suicide rate in the world at number 1. The USA is number 50 while Denmark is number 81 (a lot lower than the USA).

Finally, beastialty! It is now outlawed in Denmark as you stated. However, it is LEGAL in ELEVEN of the United States of America. (No joke although it would be too easy).

I also love the USA like you do but just want to point out there are some things done better in other countries that should be accomplished here.

Thank you.
Bobby D.

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Yes! Healthcare should be there for ALL people in the USA. Do you want to have illegal immigrants with communicable diseases walking among you?

If someone cannot afford healthcare, it should be provided free!

Denmark is considered the "happiest country" and they have cradle to grave healthcare - which they all like! They have free education through college, they have very low unemployment, they pay high taxes but they get great benefits.

The USA needs to emulate such a society!

Thank you.
Bobby D.

It's a "happy" country because it's NOT full of non-whites...yet. Over 90% of the population is WHITE. THAT is what makes it a great place to live.

If you are on Medicare, you are paying for those services even though you don't know it. Medicare B is taken out of your Social Security, so YES you are paying for it.

Like I said, Medicare A, which you paid all your working life gives you hardly more than hospitalization. No doctor visits and no prescriptions.

And MEDICAID pays for everything. Blacks get medicaid, white people, again, have to pay...

Well, friend, you really should start doing your own research instead of relying on previous jibber jabber from others.

First, the economic information regarding Denmark is wrong. The median family income in the USA is $54,629. In Denmark, it is $42,916. That would fall between 38 and 39 in the USA. Florida is at number 42.

Suicide rate according to the World Health Organization has Guyana at the highest suicide rate in the world at number 1. The USA is number 50 while Denmark is number 81 (a lot lower than the USA).

Finally, beastialty! It is now outlawed in Denmark as you stated. However, it is LEGAL in ELEVEN of the United States of America. (No joke although it would be too easy).

I also love the USA like you do but just want to point out there are some things done better in other countries that should be accomplished here.

Thank you.
Bobby D.

In "civilized" places you don't NEED a law for EVERYTHING. The people self-govern and you don't have the problems the less civilized need so you don't need all the laws.

The "good" places to live are ALWAYS WHITE and the sh!tholes are ALWAYS BLACK/BROWN.

WHY would any sane person want MORE blacks/browns knowing the trouble they cause?

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The "good" places to live are ALWAYS WHITE and the sh!tholes are ALWAYS BLACK/BROWN.

WHY would any sane person want MORE blacks/browns knowing the trouble they cause?

Shut the hell up and do not post your racism on here anymore! You are not welcome on this forum!

Who else agrees with me - on this?

Bobby D.

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Shut the hell up and do not post your racism on here anymore! You are not welcome on this forum!

Who else agrees with me - on this?

Bobby D.

You lie when you fight for diversity. EVERYTHING I say is true. THEY are the MAJORITY below the age of 6, their majority grows every year. Go to "their part of town" and look around. That will be EVERY part of town in 30 years. Is that what YOU want? It's what you're getting. It's a mathematical certainty.

I will shout out AGAINST diversity until the last white person turns off the lights and the country is a 3rd world shell of its former glory.

EVERYWHERE "their" numbers increases goes down the tubes...EVERYWHERE. I've been calling for the "black paradise", you know, 99% black and fun and safe like the villages...haven't had ONE reply yet. I'm trying to SAVE you from your own foolishness. STOP diversity NOW or your country is lost.

I am a racist because we are VERY different...too different to ever "live together peacefully". WHERE do we all live together in peace? I'll ask that question too. Where is the 99% place that is open and friendly to others? Where is the 99% black place that I could go and NOT feel threatened? You need to expect them to act as you expect me to act. Or it's just ANOTHER case of having to lower the standards for them.

We're not equal and the sooner we admit it, the sooner we can really fix things. It's time to stop "everyone gets a trophy" and back to only the best will do.

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Shut the hell up and do not post your racism on here anymore! You are not welcome on this forum!

Who else agrees with me - on this?

Bobby D.

I am not the OP however YOU have more than worn-out your " Act " on this forum .

By the way have you ever spent any time with grown ups who are citizens of Denmark .
Well educated adults are not so happy paying oppressive tax rates . My neighbors up North were a husband and wife both high level surgeons who left Denmark .
It took them years to immigrate as they did it legally. They came here to escape the taxes which only discourage professionals from working .

NOW CALL ME A LIAR , A WUSS , ETC ETC BECAUSE THAT IS ALL YOU ARE CAPABLE OF .

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Shut the hell up and do not post your racism on here anymore! You are not welcome on this forum!

Who else agrees with me - on this?

Bobby D.

Did I miss something? Since when did you become the forum moderator?

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Did I miss something? Since when did you become the forum moderator?

Typical Bossy Anti-Free Speech Leftie .

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I "think" that you are what is known as a LOW INFORMATION VOTER. Please get educated before you cast a vote so you do not cancel out the vote of someone who takes the time to learn why your question is so stupid. Hint: Nothing is FREE.

First almost all taxes in th US are progressive-the more you make the more you pay. It is not like if you earn $1000 the tax is 5% so you pay $50. If, you earn twice as much and the tax is now 8% you pay $2000 x.08= $160-MORE THAN THREE TIMES AS MUCH.
RE: social security
I was self employed. Few people realize OR CARE, that your employer pays as much for your social security as you do-it is TAX FREE INCOME paid to you. Social security runs 7% UNLESS YOU ARE SELF EMPLOYED-I paid 13%.
I just went on medicare. I pay TWICE the minimum for the same coverage AND I DO NOT GET THE INFLATION PROTECTION.
We all want no one wants to pay.
FAIR TAX? A fair tax is any tax where you pay less then others.
BASIC ECONOMICS-if you tax anything you will have less of it. If, you subsidize anything you will have more of it.
We, tax income, we are one of only two or three countries that tax interest on savings and we subsidize people who do not work. See where it has gotten us?

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You lie when you fight for diversity. EVERYTHING I say is true. THEY are the MAJORITY below the age of 6, their majority grows every year. Go to "their part of town" and look around. That will be EVERY part of town in 30 years. Is that what YOU want? It's what you're getting. It's a mathematical certainty.

I will shout out AGAINST diversity until the last white person turns off the lights and the country is a 3rd world shell of its former glory.

EVERYWHERE "their" numbers increases goes down the tubes...EVERYWHERE. I've been calling for the "black paradise", you know, 99% black and fun and safe like the villages...haven't had ONE reply yet. I'm trying to SAVE you from your own foolishness. STOP diversity NOW or your country is lost.

I am a racist because we are VERY different...too different to ever "live together peacefully". WHERE do we all live together in peace? I'll ask that question too. Where is the 99% place that is open and friendly to others? Where is the 99% black place that I could go and NOT feel threatened? You need to expect them to act as you expect me to act. Or it's just ANOTHER case of having to lower the standards for them.

We're not equal and the sooner we admit it, the sooner we can really fix things. It's time to stop "everyone gets a trophy" and back to only the best will do.

I agree with you 100% and admire your courage to speak out .

On the other hand I have met and worked with many well educated Blacks and Hispanics who would never condone or embrace the popular thug culture.

Such a culture of hopelessness which is so prevalent in urban communities and celebrated by our entertainment , sports and news industries is as abhorrent to them as it is to us .

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I have a HIM medicare preferred and I pay zero premium. I do know there is a deduction from my social check, however, it is small amount for great coverage. Before 65 I was paying over $600 per month for not so good coverage, praying that nothing would happen to me. They could raise my premium and I could not afford the increase.

It's great that some, mostly gov workers, have good coverage, but not everyone has.

Unless someone else was paying part of that you had catastrophic coverage.
Due to a pre-existing medical condition I could not buy a catastrophic policy-they would not sell it to me- and elect to self insure the rest. Our cost was 1200 a month.

Aside-my medical bills have not been high over my life.
While still on private insurance I was in the villages hospital for four days the bill was 50,000. My insurance company AETNA paid them 30,000 and that covered a 50,000 billing in FULL.

CLEARLY SOMETHING IN WRONG-as I mentioned above I had considered self-insuring. Had I done so not unlike other hospitals, my bill would have been 50,000 not the 30,000 that the insurance company paid.

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Why is it that every other developed country on the planet essentially has "Medicare for all"? And most spend much more than half what we do per capita.

Doesn't the Constitution say "provide for the General Welfare"? I'd think that starts with health care.

All the rhetoric I hear about being such a great country seems to miss a few points.

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Why is it that every other developed country on the planet essentially has "Medicare for all"? And most spend much more than half what we do per capita.

Doesn't the Constitution say "provide for the General Welfare"? I'd think that starts with health care.

All the rhetoric I hear about being such a great country seems to miss a few points.

The answer to your question is obsene profit in US system of healthcare. There is and has been a feeding frenzy for profit in all areas of medicine. Look around our own home town.

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Why is it that every other developed country on the planet essentially has "Medicare for all"? And most spend much more than half what we do per capita.

Doesn't the Constitution say "provide for the General Welfare"? I'd think that starts with health care.

All the rhetoric I hear about being such a great country seems to miss a few points.

They ALSO don't have the research that goes on here. You want to pay 3rd world prices? Then you get 3rd world technology. We pay for the R and D that pay what they can. Proportionally, they pay more, as a percent of income, they pay more.

That's what mommy and daddy are for. Not a nation. If the founders only knew what a can of worms that phrase became. ALL the "welfare" programs use that for an excuse for their existence. You REALLY want cradle to grave care? Like we do for the minorities?

It WAS a great country, up until the 60s and "civil rights". Affirmative action and quotas destroyed our greatness and replaced it with whiners. Once wonderful neighborhoods were shattered by "diversity". It WAS a great country, now it's a bunch of squabbling minorities.

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The answer to your question is obsene profit in US system of healthcare. There is and has been a feeding frenzy for profit in all areas of medicine. Look around our own home town.

Yes...the problem with the COST of medicine...is the cost of medicine. EVERYONE connected to the medical field makes too much profit. They literally have your life in their hands, they can charge whatever we'll pay.

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Why is it that every other developed country on the planet essentially has "Medicare for all"? And most spend much more than half what we do per capita.

Doesn't the Constitution say "provide for the General Welfare"? I'd think that starts with health care.

All the rhetoric I hear about being such a great country seems to miss a few points.

No, it doesn't. And if you were not so lazy, you and anyone else that needs health care would have it.

"Other countries" pay high taxes to cover socialized health care. EVERYONE pays those high taxes. I have been all over the world and have seen that "great" socialized medicine that idiot Americans say they want. It is cr@p! You want what Germany has? They have pretty good health care, right? Well, about 55% of EVERYONE'S paycheck is taxed. And then, even then some stuff is just not covered. Yes, wealthy Germans get better health care. How about Canada? Well, my nephew's wife is a nurse in Canada and she comes here for treatment. Up there, you had better have supplemental insurance to pay for ambulance and medications.

The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence, when you are a spoiled American.

Only good thing that could come of gov run socialized medicine in America is that it will put a million lawyers out of work and doctors will not have to purchase malpractice insurance. You won't be able to sue them for malpractice anymore. And that is what makes our health care cost so much anyway.

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I think that the richest country in the world should provide healthcare and education for all. it is just not right to agree that only rich successful people should be able to afford both.

We do it's called public school and the emergency room.

Why not pay for everyone to get Ph.D.. Then we could invent another level to feed off the working stiffs.

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Medicare is the crappiest program we have. What a disgrace! You pay for it for 45 years or more before you can use it, and then it only covers hospitalization. Nothing else.. That's got to be a crime.
Medicare parts A and B cover bothhodpital and doctor visits. Should you opt for a Medical policy as well, deductibles and copays are covered as well.

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The answer to your question is obsene profit in US system of healthcare. There is and has been a feeding frenzy for profit in all areas of medicine. Look around our own home town.

Yes...the problem with the COST of medicine...is the cost of medicine. EVERYONE connected to the medical field makes too much profit. They literally have your life in their hands, they can charge whatever we'll pay.

Obscene profit??? This just shows a complete lack of understanding of health care costs.

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The answer to your question is obsene profit in US system of healthcare. There is and has been a feeding frenzy for profit in all areas of medicine. Look around our own home town.

More than that, it's a failure of the system. Patent & Copyright laws, and more importantly big business with bags of money to "our" reps. Nope, they don't represent us. Our system is dying. Only the rich and powerful are represented anymore.

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They ALSO don't have the research that goes on here. You want to pay 3rd world prices? Then you get 3rd world technology. We pay for the R and D that pay what they can. Proportionally, they pay more, as a percent of income, they pay more.

That's what mommy and daddy are for. Not a nation. If the founders only knew what a can of worms that phrase became. ALL the "welfare" programs use that for an excuse for their existence. You REALLY want cradle to grave care? Like we do for the minorities?

It WAS a great country, up until the 60s and "civil rights". Affirmative action and quotas destroyed our greatness and replaced it with whiners. Once wonderful neighborhoods were shattered by "diversity". It WAS a great country, now it's a bunch of squabbling minorities.

OMFG! There's no evidence for the value of R&D anymore. Take Statins for example.

atorvastatin (Lipitor),
fluvastatin (Lescol, Lescol XL),
lovastatin (Mevacor, Altoprev),
pravastatin (Pravachol),
rosuvastatin (Crestor),
simvastatin (Zocor), and.
pitavastatin (Livalo).

Every drug company has its own variety. They tweak the ingredients a little to obtain a patent for the monopoly control to set astronomical prices for years without competition. Of course, then there are those, like Bayer (Cerivastatin), that mess up. They withdraw from the market after people die. Oops! After most of the Statin patents run out, we'll see that Cholesterol suddenly isn't really a problem and something else will be pushed.

BTW, worthwhile or not, Statin prices elsewhere are reasonable everywhere else. Although I'm not sure many take them.

No more comments because I can see you're a coddled old white man based on "welfare", "civil rights", "diversity", and "squabbling minorities". Not sure what that has to do with anything here. Study up a bit and maybe you'll realize the Big Pharma Drug Pushers don't need your help.

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Yes...the problem with the COST of medicine...is the cost of medicine. EVERYONE connected to the medical field makes too much profit. They literally have your life in their hands, they can charge whatever we'll pay.

There are many problems. But third party payer is major. Most importantly, "profit-making" 3rd parties. Nowhere else is health care a private profit business. Unlike a typical commercial business, there is no measure for "too much profit". The cost of producing a product or service in healthcare is nebulous at best.

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No, it doesn't. And if you were not so lazy, you and anyone else that needs health care would have it.

"Other countries" pay high taxes to cover socialized health care. EVERYONE pays those high taxes. I have been all over the world and have seen that "great" socialized medicine that idiot Americans say they want. It is cr@p! You want what Germany has? They have pretty good health care, right? Well, about 55% of EVERYONE'S paycheck is taxed. And then, even then some stuff is just not covered. Yes, wealthy Germans get better health care. How about Canada? Well, my nephew's wife is a nurse in Canada and she comes here for treatment. Up there, you had better have supplemental insurance to pay for ambulance and medications.

The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence, when you are a spoiled American.

Only good thing that could come of gov run socialized medicine in America is that it will put a million lawyers out of work and doctors will not have to purchase malpractice insurance. You won't be able to sue them for malpractice anymore. And that is what makes our health care cost so much anyway.

Lazy? Actually, if you had a clear mind you'd realize that few people "work" much anymore. Giving you the benefit that you've been through as much as I, you must realize that physical labor is all but over. You probably don't appreciate the next step, but work overall is on the way out. AI, learning machines, Self-driving vehicles, 3D Printing, on and on. Our problem is getting together and not letting the owner/executive class take it all and continue to make slaves of everyone else.

The only countries that pay higher taxes than the U.S. are those that receive the most benefits. Scandinavia comes to mind. Maybe Socialism isn't so bad. I too wonder if our military aggressiveness doesn't hurt us.

I don't know all about healthcare around the world. But I know I have 2 Canadian snowbird neighbors and you won't see them here more than 180 days. They don't want to lose their healthcare. Canada pays less than half what we pay, and I think they are free to buy extra coverage out of pocket.

Sometimes I think there's a conspiracy to distract all us common folk, while those in control reap the rewards. Why do people here argue for the status quo that clear is working against us?

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We do it's called public school and the emergency room.

Why not pay for everyone to get Ph.D.. Then we could invent another level to feed off the working stiffs.

Don't you think we all miss out if we don't provide advanced education for the young genius? Education is a business, unfortunately. We've gone down the wrong path and made it another capitalist system. Wouldn't it be nice to develop those rare young individuals that stand out with superior intelligence, even if they weren't advantaged? Most everyone else is probably better off with on-the-job training after basic education. A four-year undergraduate degree has little value now. As jobs disappear, we're seeing it's all about who you know, not what you know.

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Obscene profit??? This just shows a complete lack of understanding of health care costs.

Explain Health care cost, please.

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i "think" that you are what is known as a low information voter. Please get educated before you cast a vote so you do not cancel out the vote of someone who takes the time to learn why your question is so stupid. Hint: Nothing is free.

it is not your thought.
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Excuse me, I also pay no premium for my suppliment. I have a co-payment, $ 20 for doctor, $30 for specialists. That, in my opinion, is peanuts. Maybe you should look into other plans. I am very happy with mine.

Medicare payment deductions were 1 percent. What was your salary 50 years ago?

It does not matter who you buy supplements from they are all the same and the price is the same within about $5.00.
I recently qualified for medicare. Due to having had a good income, I pay twice the minimum for medicare part A. Also, I do not get the inflation protection. RE; a good income before all you liberals chime in. If, you were employed by a firm, you paid 7% as FICA-social security- your employer paid the other half of your social security AND THAT MONEY WAS TAX FREE TO YOU. I was self employed so I paid 13% of my income to social security.
LIKE MOST TAX WE ARE FORCED TO PAY SOCIAL SECURITY IS A PROGRESSIVE TAX-the more you earn the more you pay-YOU DO NOT GET ANY BETTER CARE FOR THE HIGHER AMOUNT PAID.
All this arguing is truly a waste of time. We are not given any choice but to pay in. A ways back someone pointed out what they could have gotten had they not been forced into the social security ponzi scheme. YOU WERE NOT OFFERED THAT CHOICE-SO IT IS MEANINGLESS.

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Obscene profit??? This just shows a complete lack of understanding of health care costs.

Can you please explain my complete lack of understanding of impact of for profit healthcare and it's relationship to cost. I have to disagree with you unless you have something else to offer.

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Medicare parts A and B cover bothhodpital and doctor visits. Should you opt for a Medical policy as well, deductibles and copays are covered as well.

You didn't get it. You pay all your working life for Medicare A only. Medicare B supplement you have to pay another $105 per month, which is taken out of your Social Security. That is why Medicare sucks.

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I can't believe any american would vote for a clinton. They are both liars, and she keeps doing more and more. You know who started the kkk-- the democrates

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We do it's called public school and the emergency room.

Why not pay for everyone to get Ph.D.. Then we could invent another level to feed off the working stiffs.

I think the political fourm full of over achievers. They all are know it alls:boom:

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More than that, it's a failure of the system. Patent & Copyright laws, and more importantly big business with bags of money to "our" reps. Nope, they don't represent us. Our system is dying. Only the rich and powerful are represented anymore.

Correct...so stop them by NEVER voting for another corrupt D or R again.

Lazy? Actually, if you had a clear mind you'd realize that few people "work" much anymore. Giving you the benefit that you've been through as much as I, you must realize that physical labor is all but over. You probably don't appreciate the next step, but work overall is on the way out. AI, learning machines, Self-driving vehicles, 3D Printing, on and on. Our problem is getting together and not letting the owner/executive class take it all and continue to make slaves of everyone else.

The only countries that pay higher taxes than the U.S. are those that receive the most benefits. Scandinavia comes to mind. Maybe Socialism isn't so bad. I too wonder if our military aggressiveness doesn't hurt us.

I don't know all about healthcare around the world. But I know I have 2 Canadian snowbird neighbors and you won't see them here more than 180 days. They don't want to lose their healthcare. Canada pays less than half what we pay, and I think they are free to buy extra coverage out of pocket.

Sometimes I think there's a conspiracy to distract all us common folk, while those in control reap the rewards. Why do people here argue for the status quo that clear is working against us?

There is...they use the TV to distract us, to lie to us.

NO MORE Ds or Rs...ever.

Don't you think we all miss out if we don't provide advanced education for the young genius? Education is a business, unfortunately. We've gone down the wrong path and made it another capitalist system. Wouldn't it be nice to develop those rare young individuals that stand out with superior intelligence, even if they weren't advantaged? Most everyone else is probably better off with on-the-job training after basic education. A four-year undergraduate degree has little value now. As jobs disappear, we're seeing it's all about who you know, not what you know.

EVERYTHING has become "for profit", even prisons.

You're not going to find your "genius" in the inner city projects, nor in the barrio.

"Education" is wasted on idiots now, ANYONE can go to school because money is easy to get. Now we have 100,000 people going for 10,000 jobs. Lawanda or Lamar from the projects doesn't have a chance, it's a waste of everyones time, effort, and money to "educate" them.

I can't believe any american would vote for a clinton. They are both liars, and she keeps doing more and more. You know who started the kkk-- the democrates

The KKK has been looking out for YOU and your country...as you've been actively giving it away to those animals.

I think the political fourm full of over achievers. They all are know it alls:boom:

Actually, there are a lot of overachievers here, most villagers did quite well to be able to live here.

And now SOME want to open it up for brown people...why? Why ruin a great thing, a great place with "diversity"?

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I can't believe any american would vote for a clinton. They are both liars, and she keeps doing more and more. You know who started the kkk-- the democrates

I can't believe anyone would vote. Arrogant, obnoxious, self-centered, racism Billionaire OR lying, cheating, corrupt, criminal Politician.

How could you choice?

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So much for this thread. This thread is dead.