E-verify

[Guest]

I'm confused. Many politicians say they support E-verify for employers, but they do not want to deport all illegal immigrants. So, if E-verify is mandated and it is 100 percent effective, wouldn't we have 11 million people in the country who have no way to support themselves???

[Guest]

I'm confused. Many politicians say they support E-verify for employers, but they do not want to deport all illegal immigrants. So, if E-verify is mandated and it is 100 percent effective, wouldn't we have 11 million people in the country who have no way to support themselves???
If the current laws are enforced, many illegals will have no choice but to self repatriate.

It's all about enforcing current laws.

[Guest]

If the current laws are enforced, many illegals will have no choice but to self repatriate.

It's all about enforcing current laws.

Amen! And if the gov would prosecute any business owner that hires illegals, then that would also work as a deterrent.

[Guest]

In the 1980's corporation were required to completed I-9's for every hire. The short of this plan was that every hire had to produce documentation to support their legality here in the US. Many employers did not want to deal with this program for a variety of reasons including expense or desire to hire illegals. Penalties were threatened but like the war on drugs the government just has no will or follow through.

Build a wall and beef up border patrol. Determine a reasonable manner in which to deal with illegals here now. Criminals should be deported. People living here for an appreciable period who are productive and otherwise contributors to a community should have an opportunity toward citizenship etc etc etc

Personal Best Regards:

[Guest]

In the 1980's corporation were required to completed I-9's for every hire. The short of this plan was that every hire had to produce documentation to support their legality here in the US. Many employers did not want to deal with this program for a variety of reasons including expense or desire to hire illegals. Penalties were threatened but like the war on drugs the government just has no will or follow through.

Build a wall and beef up border patrol. Determine a reasonable manner in which to deal with illegals here now. Criminals should be deported. People living here for an appreciable period who are productive and otherwise contributors to a community should have an opportunity toward citizenship etc etc etc

Personal Best Regards:
:BigApplause:

[Guest]

In the 1980's corporation were required to completed I-9's for every hire. The short of this plan was that every hire had to produce documentation to support their legality here in the US. Many employers did not want to deal with this program for a variety of reasons including expense or desire to hire illegals. Penalties were threatened but like the war on drugs the government just has no will or follow through.

Build a wall and beef up border patrol. Determine a reasonable manner in which to deal with illegals here now. Criminals should be deported. People living here for an appreciable period who are productive and otherwise contributors to a community should have an opportunity toward citizenship etc etc etc

Personal Best Regards:
Unfortunately many many legal and illegals come here to use the entitlement in one form or another.

[Guest]

E-verify is voluntary, except for some federal contract work.

Does anyone here really think that the developer uses it?

Really? :oops:

And as soon as everything starts costing more, the same people who want to build a wall...will start screeching about the higher costs.

I am a proponent of enforcing our immigration laws and am fully willing to accept the higher costs that are inevitable, but until you start throwing the sumbiches that hire them in jail...it isn't going to change.

So what say you righties, are you for prosecuting the business owners that hire the illegals? :popcorn:



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CNM

[Guest]

Amen! And if the gov would prosecute any business owner that hires illegals, then that would also work as a deterrent.

BINGO!!! :thumbup:

It would work as the BEST deterrent.




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CNM

[Guest]

I believe the two main reasons that our immigration laws are not enforced are these.
1. The Republicans and the businesses they represent like the cheap labor illegals provide.
2. The Democrats do nothing to enforce immigration laws in order to garner the Hispanic vote.
So nothing gets solved that would truly benefit America
and its citizens.

[Guest]

E-verify is voluntary, except for some federal contract work.

Does anyone here really think that the developer uses it?

Really? :oops:

And as soon as everything starts costing more, the same people who want to build a wall...will start screeching about the higher costs.

I am a proponent of enforcing our immigration laws and am fully willing to accept the higher costs that are inevitable, but until you start throwing the sumbiches that hire them in jail...it isn't going to change.

So what say you righties, are you for prosecuting the business owners that hire the illegals? :popcorn:



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CNM

Too bad you could not resist the name calling and partisan shot. Up until then it appeared there was actually going to be a sensible dialogue.

How unfortunate.

[Guest]

In the 1980's corporation were required to completed I-9's for every hire. The short of this plan was that every hire had to produce documentation to support their legality here in the US. Many employers did not want to deal with this program for a variety of reasons including expense or desire to hire illegals. Penalties were threatened but like the war on drugs the government just has no will or follow through.

Build a wall and beef up border patrol. Determine a reasonable manner in which to deal with illegals here now. Criminals should be deported. People living here for an appreciable period who are productive and otherwise contributors to a community should have an opportunity toward citizenship etc etc etc

Personal Best Regards:

Well stated!

[Guest]

I believe the two main reasons that our immigration laws are not enforced are these.
1. The Republicans and the businesses they represent like the cheap labor illegals provide.
2. The Democrats do nothing to enforce immigration laws in order to garner the Hispanic vote.
So nothing gets solved that would truly benefit America
and its citizens.

I would suggest your opening comments are true for both parties....or anybody that has a business that will gain as a result.

When all gets said and done the real issue is we have become a nation of selective law enforcement.

Fixing the immigration issue is as simple as grand fathering those deserving of becoming citizens.
Deport/export/jail/etc the gangsters/killers/rapists/etc.
To give all involved an opportunity to prepare for the implementation, provide a date that marks the day EVERY immigration law on the books goes into force.

No excuses.
No partisan whinning.
No politics.
No BS.

Enforce the law.

[Guest]

Too bad you could not resist the name calling and partisan shot. Up until then it appeared there was actually going to be a sensible dialogue.

How unfortunate.

What is truly 'unfortunate,' is that I only called those who are breaking the law 'sumbiches' ...and asked if people like you are willing to put them in jail?

Even more unfortunate, is that instead of answering a simple question, you took the opportunity to try and take a personal shot at me...which is a perfect example of 'partisanship.' ;)

Definitely living in your empty head...rent free (and yes... that's 'name-calling'). :1rotfl:


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CNM

[Guest]

Unfortunately many many legal and illegals come here to use the entitlement in one form or another.

I do not support ILLEGAL ALIENS but if you research people who have not received OWED tax returns MOST ARE HISPANIC NAMES. I would guess they worked under a false name or social security number and so could not receive payment for overpaid taxes.

RE: services
I could write a book on this subject. Are we prepared to if say a person is hit by a car AND HAS NO INSURANCE OR PROOF THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO PAY, to deny care and take them to the dump dead or alive? Sadly, WE ARE BUYING PEACE. Were we to deny ILLEGALS food and medical care, they would BE FORCED to turn to CRIME.

SOLUTION-THERE IS NO EASY ONE.

ASIDE-I recall reading a while ago that when we return illegals often we pay for CHARTERED AIR FARE-the reason is we refuse to just dump them at the boarder. We return them close to where they come from-often a small village with no regular airfare.

TRUMP-spoke about a wall with Mexico. The boarder with Mexico is the rio grand river unfortunately the river moves.
No mention was made about the larger boarder with canada.

[Guest]

Too bad you could not resist the name calling and partisan shot. Up until then it appeared there was actually going to be a sensible dialogue.

How unfortunate.
Cnm he/she/it cant help the name calling. However agrees on immigration.

[Guest]

Plain and simple.

Deport all illegals with any criminal record.
Deport any illegal receiving benifits under false pretense.
Criminal charges for employers of illegal.
Work permits for parents of immigrant usa born citizens, no benifits for parents.
When child reaches legal age he/she can sponsor parent thru regular channels including the 10 year guarantor agreement.
All others, don't commit a crime (any crime) don't get deported.

Simple , I give trump my permission to use it.

[Guest]

I do not support ILLEGAL ALIENS but if you research people who have not received OWED tax returns MOST ARE HISPANIC NAMES. I would guess they worked under a false name or social security number and so could not receive payment for overpaid taxes.
Your wrong many recieve payments $$$ from our resources not deserved!
RE: services
I could write a book on this subject. Are we prepared to if say a person is hit by a car AND HAS NO INSURANCE OR PROOF THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO PAY, to deny care and take them to the dump dead or alive? Sadly, WE ARE BUYING PEACE. Were we to deny ILLEGALS food and medical care, they would BE FORCED to turn to CRIME.
Above is a good example of why we should halt illegal (criminal) entry, because if we did the care for illegals that we spend money on, could go to the truly needy such as the car accident victim. By entering illegally they are already criminals, but we don't enforce our own laws do we. If people immigrate legally, now that is a totally different story.

SOLUTION-THERE IS NO EASY ONE.
A lot would change if we simply enforced our immigration laws for a start, rather than sending a message that if you can get in you can stay!

ASIDE-I recall reading a while ago that when we return illegals often we pay for CHARTERED AIR FARE-the reason is we refuse to just dump them at the boarder. We return them close to where they come from-often a small village with no regular airfare.
We should send them back home in the least costly way, and deduct the cost from aid $$$ which are probably sending to their home countries. We are really fools aren't we!

TRUMP-spoke about a wall with Mexico. The boarder with Mexico is the rio grand river unfortunately the river moves.
No mention was made about the larger boarder with Canada. If the river is wide enough we could get by with less than a wall in that area. As far as Canada goes, they secure their border a lot better than we do, and we don't have millions of Canadian's wanting to jump our border.

Nice try at justification for lawless activity!

[Guest]

Cnm he/she/it cant help the name calling. However agrees on immigration.

Another one that just can't get me out of their head. :1rotfl:



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CNM

[Guest]

Another one that just can't get me out of their head. :1rotfl:



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CNM
You will be out of all our heads when your lady clinton is imprisoned and The Donald is president.

Wave, not

[Guest]

You will be out of all our heads when your lady clinton is imprisoned and The Donald is president.

Wave, not

:1rotfl:

Now that's a good one...thanks. :thumbup:




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CNM

[Guest]

:1rotfl:

Now that's a good one...thanks. [emoji106]




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CNM
You are welcome. I hope she shares a cell with a big Dike Republican business owner that hired illegals.

I mean that in a nice way, as we know clinton loves that company...

Not that there is. . ......

[Guest]

You will be out of all our heads when your lady clinton is imprisoned and The Donald is president.

Wave, not

Just ignore her. She is actually worst than the local racist on here. At least he doesn't bait and troll like a little child. Attempts to have an adult conversation will only result in ridicule and name calling. She is just a child at the dinner table, trying to get attention from the adults. I am placing her in the corner for a time out.

[Guest]

Just ignore her. She is actually worst than the local racist on here. At least he doesn't bait and troll like a little child. Attempts to have an adult conversation will only result in ridicule and name calling. She is just a child at the dinner table, trying to get attention from the adults. I am placing her in the corner for a time out.

Looks like that makes three in one thread...whereby I live rent free in their head. :D



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CNM

[Guest]

I'm confused. Many politicians say they support E-verify for employers, but they do not want to deport all illegal immigrants. So, if E-verify is mandated and it is 100 percent effective, wouldn't we have 11 million people in the country who have no way to support themselves???

11 million? Don't believe it...there are 110 million new immigrants and their children here now, mostly Hispanic.

Amen! And if the gov would prosecute any business owner that hires illegals, then that would also work as a deterrent.

The businesses who hire them and the government are in cahoots. The small time hiring is ignored.

Amen, also known as Amun is an Egyptian God, the precursor/contemporary of the God of Abraham. It's a name you're saying at the end of a prayer. You're affirming to the God Amen what you just said.

Bet you didn't know that. They don't teach that in Sunday School.

In the 1980's corporation were required to completed I-9's for every hire. The short of this plan was that every hire had to produce documentation to support their legality here in the US. Many employers did not want to deal with this program for a variety of reasons including expense or desire to hire illegals. Penalties were threatened but like the war on drugs the government just has no will or follow through.

Build a wall and beef up border patrol. Determine a reasonable manner in which to deal with illegals here now. Criminals should be deported. People living here for an appreciable period who are productive and otherwise contributors to a community should have an opportunity toward citizenship etc etc etc

Personal Best Regards:

You're correct, nobody WANTED the system to work because they all benefited for paying low wages and no benefits.

They should ALL be deported, their anchor babies too. There are over 100 million of them now. They ARE the new majority, from age 6 down and that age goes up every year. They're literally taking over.

I believe the two main reasons that our immigration laws are not enforced are these.
1. The Republicans and the businesses they represent like the cheap labor illegals provide.
2. The Democrats do nothing to enforce immigration laws in order to garner the Hispanic vote.
So nothing gets solved that would truly benefit America
and its citizens.

Of course. And add that BOTH sides are generous with welfare benefits. To corporations and people. There's money to be made from the poor collecting welfare.

Ds and Rs screw us. Get rid of them ALL. Or the citizens keep getting robbed. They "owe" $20 trillion already.

I would suggest your opening comments are true for both parties....or anybody that has a business that will gain as a result.

When all gets said and done the real issue is we have become a nation of selective law enforcement.

Fixing the immigration issue is as simple as grand fathering those deserving of becoming citizens.
Deport/export/jail/etc the gangsters/killers/rapists/etc.
To give all involved an opportunity to prepare for the implementation, provide a date that marks the day EVERY immigration law on the books goes into force.

No excuses.
No partisan whinning.
No politics.
No BS.

Enforce the law.

Of course we are selective in enforcement. "Free John Corzine". Look him up if you don't know about him. A "made man", former governor, stole money out of bank accounts and got away with it.

No non no...there are TOO MANY of them...over 100 million, they're changing everything. Get rid of them and their anchor babies. If we don't, we lose the country through attrition.

I do not support ILLEGAL ALIENS but if you research people who have not received OWED tax returns MOST ARE HISPANIC NAMES. I would guess they worked under a false name or social security number and so could not receive payment for overpaid taxes.

RE: services
I could write a book on this subject. Are we prepared to if say a person is hit by a car AND HAS NO INSURANCE OR PROOF THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO PAY, to deny care and take them to the dump dead or alive? Sadly, WE ARE BUYING PEACE. Were we to deny ILLEGALS food and medical care, they would BE FORCED to turn to CRIME.

SOLUTION-THERE IS NO EASY ONE.

ASIDE-I recall reading a while ago that when we return illegals often we pay for CHARTERED AIR FARE-the reason is we refuse to just dump them at the boarder. We return them close to where they come from-often a small village with no regular airfare.

TRUMP-spoke about a wall with Mexico. The boarder with Mexico is the rio grand river unfortunately the river moves.
No mention was made about the larger boarder with canada.

You can say that about the blacks too. More than half are on welfare, completely dependent on government generosity. They're sucking us dry. We can't keep supporting a constantly growing population of "needers".

Canada? Really? They SPEND money here, they don't beg for it and take it home.

Plain and simple.

Deport all illegals with any criminal record.
Deport any illegal receiving benifits under false pretense.
Criminal charges for employers of illegal.
Work permits for parents of immigrant usa born citizens, no benifits for parents.
When child reaches legal age he/she can sponsor parent thru regular channels including the 10 year guarantor agreement.
All others, don't commit a crime (any crime) don't get deported.

Simple , I give trump my permission to use it.

Plain and simple we MUST deport them all and the anchor babies too. We're literally being overrun. They're 1/3 the total population now. THEY are becoming the majority.

Just ignore her. She is actually worst than the local racist on here. At least he doesn't bait and troll like a little child. Attempts to have an adult conversation will only result in ridicule and name calling. She is just a child at the dinner table, trying to get attention from the adults. I am placing her in the corner for a time out.

Come on...I'm TRYING to save you from your own foolishness. I'm trying to open your eyes. WHERE has diversity EVER made a place better? Where is the black paradise? Why do they still NEED quotas and lowered standards? Answer me that. They're inferior, that's my answer and I have a LOT of data to back it up.

[Guest]

""Come on...I'm TRYING to save you from your own foolishness. I'm trying to open your eyes. WHERE has diversity EVER made a place better? Where is the black paradise? Why do they still NEED quotas and lowered standards? Answer me that. They're inferior, that's my answer and I have a LOT of data to back it up. ""

I realize that you believe what you spew, and that you mean well. But, the point is that your answer for everything is the same racist response. I don't believe you are hateful, unlike the liberals on here that are so PC and believe that anyone that does not believe as they do, is hateful. I would rather just discuss the issues, not the same old minority treatment cr@p. Besides, you go on way too long and I do not have the patience to read it over and over again. I probably wouldn't even know it if you put in any new material.

No offense meant, but to me it's just racist spew. At least you don't attack the poster, unlike that idiot juvenile CNM.

[Guest]

Upon reviewing the previous posts (comments) it is my opinion that you are all right and all wrong. What I am saying is that like most issues its complex but the solutions are simple if we remain unemotional and are honest with ourselves .

Indeed some illegals are lawless and need to be deported.
Indeed some illegals are collecting benefits being granted by people who want them to seek a vote
Indeed some employers cove cheap labor.
But it is also true that
some illegals came here in fear of their lives
some to make a better way of life
some are very productive
some perform jobs that others will not take at an price
some do excellent work
some are good people kind warm hearted caring

Yes America needs to secure here borders.
Yes America needs to rid itself of those who will not assimilate

There is plenty of space at the decision table to sort this out PROVIDED we can get politicians the heck out of the way

Personal Best Regards:

[Guest]

Once liberals get their way and illegals are given amnesty, it will be the end of their cheap labor force. The then legal invaders will demand equal pay and even join unions and that will be the end of the liberal's protest/reasoning against deportation of illegal aliens. Then the farmers will be complaining that no one wants to work the fields for them anymore, for low wages. The amusing point is that it is liberals that claim that by putting a wall up and deporting illegals, that we will lose the cheap labor force, when in reality it is giving them legal status that will eliminate the cheap labor force.

Everyone claims that it is impossible for us to deport all the illegals in our country. We may not want to deport all of them, but it is NOT impossible. It has been done in the past when we did not even have the technology and logistics to do it. Anyone with any semblance of intelligence knows that the argument that it can't be done is weak to put it mildly.

[Guest]

""Come on...I'm TRYING to save you from your own foolishness. I'm trying to open your eyes. WHERE has diversity EVER made a place better? Where is the black paradise? Why do they still NEED quotas and lowered standards? Answer me that. They're inferior, that's my answer and I have a LOT of data to back it up. ""

I realize that you believe what you spew, and that you mean well. But, the point is that your answer for everything is the same racist response. I don't believe you are hateful, unlike the liberals on here that are so PC and believe that anyone that does not believe as they do, is hateful. I would rather just discuss the issues, not the same old minority treatment cr@p. Besides, you go on way too long and I do not have the patience to read it over and over again. I probably wouldn't even know it if you put in any new material.

No offense meant, but to me it's just racist spew. At least you don't attack the poster, unlike that idiot juvenile CNM.

It's not the answer for EVERYTHING. But it's the answer to a LOT.

I AM discussing the issue, I'm telling you the truth, giving you the facts.

Sorry my replies are long, I'm not here all day and I have to group the replies together.

You really SHOULD read them all.

It's not "racist" spew...it's TRUTHFUL spew.

Upon reviewing the previous posts (comments) it is my opinion that you are all right and all wrong. What I am saying is that like most issues its complex but the solutions are simple if we remain unemotional and are honest with ourselves .

Indeed some illegals are lawless and need to be deported.
Indeed some illegals are collecting benefits being granted by people who want them to seek a vote
Indeed some employers cove cheap labor.
But it is also true that
some illegals came here in fear of their lives
some to make a better way of life
some are very productive
some perform jobs that others will not take at an price
some do excellent work
some are good people kind warm hearted caring

Yes America needs to secure here borders.
Yes America needs to rid itself of those who will not assimilate

There is plenty of space at the decision table to sort this out PROVIDED we can get politicians the heck out of the way

Personal Best Regards:

There are TOO MANY of them. They are QUICKLY becoming the new MAJORITY. They ARE changing our society, our country. They need to go.

Once liberals get their way and illegals are given amnesty, it will be the end of their cheap labor force. The then legal invaders will demand equal pay and even join unions and that will be the end of the liberal's protest/reasoning against deportation of illegal aliens. Then the farmers will be complaining that no one wants to work the fields for them anymore, for low wages. The amusing point is that it is liberals that claim that by putting a wall up and deporting illegals, that we will lose the cheap labor force, when in reality it is giving them legal status that will eliminate the cheap labor force.

Everyone claims that it is impossible for us to deport all the illegals in our country. We may not want to deport all of them, but it is NOT impossible. It has been done in the past when we did not even have the technology and logistics to do it. Anyone with any semblance of intelligence knows that the argument that it can't be done is weak to put it mildly.

Then as they elect THEIR people, the country will be lost to them.

Yes we do...to save our country from the invasion.