To all those who posted here during the campaign

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I honestly and sincerely hope this thread is not misinterpeted !!!

During the campaign there were many on both sides who posted almost daily and more than one time a day in general.

Since the election, there are only a few who post and I am curious why that is !!!

I thought maybe it was that political was becoming a bash Obama area, but that cannot be it because that took place a lot during the campaign which did not deter anyone from posting and since the election folks just backed off posting even anything in defense.

I thought maybe folks just didnt care anymore, but I dont think (or hope at least) that is the case !!!

I thought maybe everyone was totally satisfied with what was happening and the light speed it is happening but hopefully IF that is the case, those who were on here always during the campaign would be here discussing the issues.

In any case, wanted to throw it out to those folks who were in here on an almost daily basis during the campaign.

I dont think watching our government or discussing issues of the day stop and end with a political campaign...if it does, the politicians WIN big time because then we only care about what happens shortly before the campaign and no other time which many have suggested !!

While it can be exasperating discussing politics without it we are at the mercy of the professional politicians !!!

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I quit posting for the simple reason that it seems that most posts post-election are simply trying to be "I told you so" posts -- Obama IS a radical, he lied and is reneging on his campaign promises, etc. Sorry, but that is non-productive to me and not worth a response.

I think President Obama is in an exceedingly difficult situation -- one not of his making -- and I'm hoping he can find a solution to at least some of the crises America is facing today. I don't think every decision nor action he has made nor will make are to my liking. However, I think he is trying and is being as honest as he can (he is, after all, a politician).

So, I've found no reason to post. Those who like Obama will probably continue to keep quiet and give him the chance we feel he deserves. Those who feared him previously will continue to find the facts to prove their fears were justified. Not much can be said either way to appease either side. It was that way pre-election, it is that way post.

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Politics got us into this. But politics will not get us out. The games must stop. The finger-pointing and finger-giving must end. We are a weary nation.

Boomer

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I quit posting for the simple reason that it seems that most posts post-election are simply trying to be "I told you so" posts -- Obama IS a radical, he lied and is reneging on his campaign promises, etc. Sorry, but that is non-productive to me and not worth a response.

I think President Obama is in an exceedingly difficult situation -- one not of his making -- and I'm hoping he can find a solution to at least some of the crises America is facing today. I don't think every decision nor action he has made nor will make are to my liking. However, I think he is trying and is being as honest as he can (he is, after all, a politician).

So, I've found no reason to post. Those who like Obama will probably continue to keep quiet and give him the chance we feel he deserves. Those who feared him previously will continue to find the facts to prove their fears were justified. Not much can be said either way to appease either side. It was that way pre-election, it is that way post.


Pretty well stated Red. There is no give and take on this board with regard to the President. There will never be recognition of what he does right by the faithful few on here that diligently hammer him daily. There doesnt appear to be a true exchange of ideas, a willingness to attempt to be objective by them. That certainly does not categorize everyone on this board by any means, but my humble opinion is that a lot of people don't feel it's worth the effort because the responses are so predictible, and with no true objective assessment (he can't be wrong about everything anymore than previous presidents were) and objective exchange of information, what really is the point?
I could be wrong though.

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Thanks to redwitch and serenityseeker for honest replies !!!

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Thanks to redwitch and serenityseeker for honest replies !!!

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Hey! I was being honest, too.

Oh well, that's what always happens to me when I enter this forum. I must be the sound of one hand clapping. And there have been times when I think I have been sent out into the hall for contributing incorrectly, not according to certain thought processes. (I just never could think inside the box.) So I have learned not to bother.

I think in shades of gray and that just does not work too well around here in political. Always moderate Republican woman me. Sold out by my party in this last go round. And they still don't get it. Or they do not care that I refuse to be spoken for by a buffoon with ratings. Why aren't they paying attention? Did anybody see the tent city in Sacramento with construction workers and car salespeople living in it? That one paycheck away thing has come home to roost and it has only just begun. This thing grows arms and legs and heads by the minute. And they still want to play politics. They want to delight in things not going well. They wish ill will -- to our country. Politics as usual. Fiddling while we burn.

Oh well, it is just as well that I do not fit in here. I will go back to books and libraries and soup recipes and econ and the market and real estate and health insurance and airplanes and Barbie and puns and maybe decorating and all that other stuff I find around here to talk about when I pass by this computer. Anywhere but here. Anywhere but here in political. What's the point?

Boomer (Did I just digress or what?)

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:shrug:

Hey! I was being honest, too.

Oh well, that's what always happens to me when I enter this forum. I must be the sound of one hand clapping. And there have been times when I think I have been sent out into the hall for contributing incorrectly, not according to certain thought processes. (I just never could think inside the box.) So I have learned not to bother.

I think in shades of gray and that just does not work too well around here in political. Always moderate Republican woman me. Sold out by my party in this last go round. And they still don't get it. Or they do not care that I refuse to be spoken for by a buffoon with ratings. Why aren't they paying attention? Did anybody see the tent city in Sacramento with construction workers and car salespeople living in it? That one paycheck away thing has come home to roost and it has only just begun. This thing grows arms and legs and heads by the minute. And they still want to play politics. They want to delight in things not going well. They wish ill will -- to our country. Politics as usual. Fiddling while we burn.

Oh well, it is just as well that I do not fit in here. I will go back to books and libraries and soup recipes and econ and the market and real estate and health insurance and airplanes and Barbie and puns and maybe decorating and all that other stuff I find around here to talk about when I pass by this computer. Anywhere but here. Anywhere but here in political. What's the point?

Boomer (Did I just digress or what?)


BOOMER....I swear it was an honest oversight on my part and I am sorry !

Maybe I "excluded" you because the other two are supporters of President Obama and I dont view you that way :)

In any case, my apologies.....just a mistake...of which I make many !!!

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Thanks to redwitch and serenityseeker for honest replies !!!
BUT there is a lot more to American politics than the Presidency. This isn't a 4-year monarchy or dictatorship. At the fed level it is only one prong on the trident, and the real power is being shown daily in the most populace of the trident prongs - the Congress.

The 2010 elections are not that far away. All 425 members of the House are up for re-election, including the two Congressional districts that cut through TV. Sen. Martinez is retiring, and his seat is up-for-grabs.

Let's not forget that the Florida gubernatorial election also occurs in 2010. I venture that not many folk even know who are the State Reps and Senators in tis area, or what they vote on, or how long they've been in office, or anything else about them. The State stuff, especially with the general size of this state, and we're in the middle of it, is so very important to TV and our quality of life.

There's a lot on the table - now's not the time to "go on a political diet."

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:shrug:

Hey! I was being honest, too.

Oh well, that's what always happens to me when I enter this forum. I must be the sound of one hand clapping. And there have been times when I think I have been sent out into the hall for contributing incorrectly, not according to certain thought processes. (I just never could think inside the box.) So I have learned not to bother.

I think in shades of gray and that just does not work too well around here in political. Always moderate Republican woman me. Sold out by my party in this last go round. And they still don't get it. Or they do not care that I refuse to be spoken for by a buffoon with ratings. Why aren't they paying attention? Did anybody see the tent city in Sacramento with construction workers and car salespeople living in it? That one paycheck away thing has come home to roost and it has only just begun. This thing grows arms and legs and heads by the minute. And they still want to play politics. They want to delight in things not going well. They wish ill will -- to our country. Politics as usual. Fiddling while we burn.

Oh well, it is just as well that I do not fit in here. I will go back to books and libraries and soup recipes and econ and the market and real estate and health insurance and airplanes and Barbie and puns and maybe decorating and all that other stuff I find around here to talk about when I pass by this computer. Anywhere but here. Anywhere but here in political. What's the point?

Boomer (Did I just digress or what?)

Having apologized in one post, I will use this one to say that we share a lot !

I, also a moderate looking for a leader....and you fit well here. Got to tell you, I enjoy the give and take (I try very hard to keep the personality stuff out of it) because I learn so much by reading other viewpoints or what they may have read. I find it very informative !

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BUT there is a lot more to American politics than the Presidency. This isn't a 4-year monarchy or dictatorship. At the fed level it is only one prong on the trident, and the real power is being shown daily in the most populace of the trident prongs - the Congress.

The 2010 elections are not that far away. All 425 members of the House are up for re-election, including the two Congressional districts that cut through TV. Sen. Martinez is retiring, and his seat is up-for-grabs.

Let's not forget that the Florida gubernatorial election also occurs in 2010. I venture that not many folk even know who are the State Reps and Senators in tis area, or what they vote on, or how long they've been in office, or anything else about them. The State stuff, especially with the general size of this state, and we're in the middle of it, is so very important to TV and our quality of life.



There's a lot on the table - now's not the time to "go on a political diet."

I agree Steve and why I began the thread.

I dont understand all the interest at election time and then NOTHING. I learn from here....I learn by reading others....I learn when folks disagree with me.

I do not understand how the passion of folks just leaves. Listen, I have said the same thing over and over DURING THE PRIMARY..nothing has changed. I dont mind folks disagreeing with me....I have a passion for this country and a passion for politics. I do not think because we are "retired", we should sit around, accept things, play golf and not get involved. Then WE become the problem !!!

Anyway I was curious if people just didnt care now that there is a "winner"

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Hey Bucco,

It's OK. I just get a little fired up once in a while. This is all so wrong. And we are all in it together. And now I see them starting to eye our age group as if we have a price on our heads. But wait! We do! It is starting to feel like we are living in a science fiction novel. It is surreal, It is Orwellian.

But on the hopeful side, I did open a Scottrade account today. Boomer is a multi-faceted woman.

And, seriously, thanks, Bucco. That was nice of you.

Boomer

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I miss the debates too...however I am in a new job and don't really have time to get into major political conversations. I still have many, many opinions but work and family life prohibits me from being on here as often as I used to be (to some peoples relief).

On another note I really do miss posting in political but it sucked me in so much !!! I was becoming much more negative and angry in regards to TOTV, TV's and life in general, so while I DO READ all of the postings...I don't always reply.

I hope you keep posting knowing that you are constantly entertaining and enlightening some of us!! Mind you I do not always agree...but still love to read it all anyway!!:pepper2::bowdown:

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Pretty well stated Red. There is no give and take on this board with regard to the President. There will never be recognition of what he does right by the faithful few on here that diligently hammer him daily. There doesnt appear to be a true exchange of ideas, a willingness to attempt to be objective by them. That certainly does not categorize everyone on this board by any means, but my humble opinion is that a lot of people don't feel it's worth the effort because the responses are so predictible, and with no true objective assessment (he can't be wrong about everything anymore than previous presidents were) and objective exchange of information, what really is the point?
I could be wrong though.

That statement could have been written about President Bush, no?

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That statement could have been written about President Bush, no?

6...I had exactly the same thought when I read that post...only Bush bashing was X 10. I guess it depends on whose ox gets gored.

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For the last two posts, of course it could. The fact is the overwhelming number of posts on here are placed by a select few that have really nothing but negative to say about the present administration. Bucco asked for an opinion and he that is what I gave him, not an indictment of Bush or anyone else.
And by the way Bucco, do me the courtesy of not pigeon-holing me as a "supporter" of anyone by your definition or judgment. Thanks in advance.

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I used to post alot in the political, but learned soon dont do no good. It seems it was bashing on either side. I even stooped to it. That is why I stopped doing it. One could drop a link that stated one side and someone would bounce back with your wrong look at this link. If your a MSNBC Fan then your wrong. If you were a Fox fan seemed you were wrong. If you thought this was going to happen it seemed that you were miss informed. Heck even now, I hear how Obama has messed up the financial crisis. Seems alot of people think he started this deal. Thats my honest opinion.
Like I said I even jumped on the wagon with the bashing, once I thought about it, I stopped.
One thing with a politcal thread, it dont matter what your opinion is, it will change the next day depending on what the media reports. Or how one views it will change. I voted for Obama and proud of that move. No way can I see that if McCain had won would anything be any different. I do applaud McCain on his stance against adding any Pork Barrel spending to these bailouts. But again it seems it is both sides adding alot of Pork to the bailout.
I wish the best of luck to Obama that he along with all others in office can fix this mess.

It was nice to see all the markets jump yesterday. And it seems that Bank of Amereica could be looking for a strong move end of the week depending on the numbers. Nice to see alot of the companies gaining alittle ground, however small it be....

Here is my thought to all that make this an intersting thread: :beer3:

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notable absence of several participants who were extremely active all last year.
I don't know what constitutes being a "regular" on the political forum so I can't make a judgment in that regard.
One had said maybe they are away for a while, but most of us know that as long as one has access to a computer, being away is not a real argument unless you are on a cruise some where or out of the country.

But as the saying goes, if one cannot stand the heat then absent yourself from the kitchen.

In our family there are some very staunch supporters of both parties. We all know each others stand, no matter the subject, nor whether right or wrong. We know what string to pull to launch a tirade, we know what box they will charge from on given subjects. We also know when to put up the white, time out flag. But nobody would stoop to not participating...it would be viewed as a sign of weakness.

The few things I object to are a challenge or question about a specific launching a tirade of Bush bashing or Obama bashing and the specific being completely ignored.

I object to the Nancy Pelosi stated principal that if it is from the opposition I am against it.

And I have a hard time with folks telling me what they thought I said when their interpretation is out in left field.

Lastly the never ending need for some to lay blame instead of addressing the subject.

What is important is each and every comment is some ones opinion, what they believe, right or wrong...some however seem to expect blind tolerance or you are against a subject or individual. That is easily handled by just ignoring it and participating.

I would never back away from an energetic discussion on any subject, just because of a few bumps in the road or because I don't think someone isn't playing by MY rules..

Remember, no struggle no process.

BTK

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Pretty well stated Red. There is no give and take on this board with regard to the President. There will never be recognition of what he does right by the faithful few on here that diligently hammer him daily. There doesnt appear to be a true exchange of ideas, a willingness to attempt to be objective by them. That certainly does not categorize everyone on this board by any means, but my humble opinion is that a lot of people don't feel it's worth the effort because the responses are so predictible, and with no true objective assessment (he can't be wrong about everything anymore than previous presidents were) and objective exchange of information, what really is the point?
I could be wrong though.

I agree completely.

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For the last two posts, of course it could. The fact is the overwhelming number of posts on here are placed by a select few that have really nothing but negative to say about the present administration. Bucco asked for an opinion and he that is what I gave him, not an indictment of Bush or anyone else.
And by the way Bucco, do me the courtesy of not pigeon-holing me as a "supporter" of anyone by your definition or judgment. Thanks in advance.

I guess my starting this thread has put me on the defensive as I must apologize once again !

I simply made an assumption based on what you post on here...was not judging or trying to in anyway pigeon hole you. All your posts are supportive of the President thus my assumption.

I am sorry and apologize !!!

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I guess my starting this thread has put me on the defensive as I must apologize once again !

I simply made an assumption based on what you post on here...was not judging or trying to in anyway pigeon hole you. All your posts are supportive of the President thus my assumption.

I am sorry and apologize !!!

No prob Bucco and thanks.
Honestly though, look at my posts and you will see they are more questioning of those that indiscriminately condemn essentially every action of the President than "all" of my posts being supportive. I think examining the other side of the coin is always beneficial in a learning process, as no one person or entity or group can be 100% right or wrong for that matter. As with most things, the truth, if it can be sorted out is almost always somewhere in between. It is funny though that questioning like that described above brings the labels. Human nature I suppose.

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During the election cycle...from Sept - Dec I was on medical leave. Not bouncing around the country working on computers so I had more time. Then I moved into The Villages.....that will wear you out if you are not careful.

Then in Jan it was back to work....so I don't have much time to post. Sometimes I read the posts and maybe make a comment but I don't get to the website as much as I did before.

Obama has only been in office for what 50 days or so.....We just have to wait and see how he does.

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:coolsmiley:I agree Steve and why I began the thread.

I dont understand all the interest at election time and then NOTHING. I learn from here....I learn by reading others....I learn when folks disagree with me.

I do not understand how the passion of folks just leaves. Listen, I have said the same thing over and over DURING THE PRIMARY..nothing has changed. I dont mind folks disagreeing with me....I have a passion for this country and a passion for politics. I do not think because we are "retired", we should sit around, accept things, play golf and not get involved. Then WE become the problem !!!

Anyway I was curious if people just didnt care now that there is a "winner"

Bucco: I for one was and still am very intersted on what is going on. My priorities have changed a bit to try and salvage what I can out of this market place. I always pictured myself as savy as far as the market goes. I have proven myself wrong many times. I am trading on line daily trying to make a few pennies. No politics but I'm sure you know how the market is going.
It'd hard to still be working, answering two phones, trade and try to to answer many of the good post you and other put up.
Keep up the good work.:coolsmiley:

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No prob Bucco and thanks.
Honestly though, look at my posts and you will see they are more questioning of those that indiscriminately condemn essentially every action of the President than "all" of my posts being supportive. I think examining the other side of the coin is always beneficial in a learning process, as no one person or entity or group can be 100% right or wrong for that matter. As with most things, the truth, if it can be sorted out is almost always somewhere in between. It is funny though that questioning like that described above brings the labels. Human nature I suppose.

Good post and yes there is much of what you describe !

I want to carefully chose my words here simply to insure you understand.

I have been on my soapbox since last summer, far before President Obama was even the candidate.

I did not adopt my stance based on his election, and even there are those who feel it is party oriented a review of my posts, hopefully, will dismiss that.

My agenda has been clear for for just about a year on this board and I mention this to you to insure you know I am not a late comer...I am not picking on anyone because of the election.

In any case, probing questions are good. You engaged in a debate the other day on healthcare which I stayed out of because of..well, lack of knowledge, but the exchange between you and DKLASSEN was not only interesting but allowed me some room for growth on the issue and my investigaion continues but it is that kind of dialogue that serves us all well.

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I quit posting in political because it was not a debate on ideas or what might make us better, but the same people pulling up every blog they could find to bash some policy or person. It was not worth getting upset about - I am hopeful for a financial and political turn around and want to stay upbeat about that. I decided other threads were better for my outlook on life. I do hope everyone that enjoys the political thread continues with it. It just wasn't my cup of tea. Thanks for bringing up the topic Bucco - obviously there are a lot of people who still view political although they may have chosen not to post much anymore.

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I quit posting in political because it was not a debate on ideas or what might make us better, but the same people pulling up every blog they could find to bash some policy or person. It was not worth getting upset about - I am hopeful for a financial and political turn around and want to stay upbeat about that. I decided other threads were better for my outlook on life. I do hope everyone that enjoys the political thread continues with it. It just wasn't my cup of tea. Thanks for bringing up the topic Bucco - obviously there are a lot of people who still view political although they may have chosen not to post much anymore.


Just want to point out that what you are looking for...


"debate on ideas or what might make us better,"

does not happen on the floor of congress, thus we would be certainly unique if it happend here !! :)

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in a little while and I'll be happy to tell you why.

Every one of the "regulars", including me I suppose, was boringly predictable in tone, and ideology on subjects.

I did not notice a change in anyone's viewpoint, including mine, after they read an opposing viewpoint.

And most importantly, it seems that if we cannot even change an opposing viewpoint in this forum, we will never change the voting in the Oval Office, House or Senate.

Unless someone here can propose a viable means to to convey our support, dismay or outrage to our leaders, and have them listen, what is said here is so much hot air. The only constructive thing that has been said on the forum is to exercise or right to vote in the next election. The chances of that "changing" anything are slim to none, based on past outcries to "vote all the bums out".

Now I'll go back to the pleasant things in life, like enjoying my grand children or working on my hobbies and leave those that feel the need to exchange hot air to do their thing on this forum.

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in a little while and I'll be happy to tell you why.

Every one of the "regulars", including me I suppose, was boringly predictable in tone, and ideology on subjects.

I did not notice a change in anyone's viewpoint, including mine, after they read an opposing viewpoint.

And most importantly, it seems that if we cannot even change an opposing viewpoint in this forum, we will never change the voting in the Oval Office, House or Senate.

Unless someone here can propose a viable means to to convey our support, dismay or outrage to our leaders, and have them listen, what is said here is so much hot air. The only constructive thing that has been said on the forum is to exercise or right to vote in the next election. The chances of that "changing" anything are slim to none, based on past outcries to "vote all the bums out".

Now I'll go back to the pleasant things in life, like enjoying my grand children or working on my hobbies and leave those that feel the need to exchange hot air to do their thing on this forum.


Just for the record...this poster....has a parttime job...golfs his share...is active in a number of clubs...just finished a short tour of spring training sites :)...has a wife who enjoys traveling and shopping and is very social thus I enjoy life...do not make any asssumptions because I like politics and pollitical discussion that I am some kind of shut in who simply types on here.

I will say again..I have an open mind and have learned quite a bit on here that I did not know....as example...enjoying all the posts on health care from folks who are real and know what is really happening. THAT to me is important.

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I quit posting in political because it was not a debate on ideas or what might make us better, but the same people pulling up every blog they could find to bash some policy or person. It was not worth getting upset about - I am hopeful for a financial and political turn around and want to stay upbeat about that. I decided other threads were better for my outlook on life. I do hope everyone that enjoys the political thread continues with it. It just wasn't my cup of tea. Thanks for bringing up the topic Bucco - obviously there are a lot of people who still view political although they may have chosen not to post much anymore.

my thoughts excatly. Wether alot of people will admit to it, Your right, it ended up being my link is better than the one you have, and I will say I joined in on it. After reading some post one morning here in the office about 2am, I seen the light and quit. Like I said then, I am a Repub, I voted Demo, Just want a change, Dont matter to me who brings it, Who makes it happen, Whos idea it was at first, I could care less about that. JUST MAKE IT HAPPEN AND MAKE IT HAPPEN SOON!!! That would be nice. Heck if it be a 14 year old from Montana or a 90 year old from Vermont, as long as it will work, Lets do it!!!

:beer3:

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Just for the record...this poster....has a parttime job...golfs his share...is active in a number of clubs...just finished a short tour of spring training sites :)...has a wife who enjoys traveling and shopping and is very social thus I enjoy life...do not make any asssumptions because I like politics and pollitical discussion that I am some kind of shut in who simply types on here.

I will say again..I have an open mind and have learned quite a bit on here that I did not know....as example...enjoying all the posts on health care from folks who are real and know what is really happening. THAT to me is important.

I don't see any assumptions made or an accusation of anyone being a shut in in my post. There is an example in your post of how perhaps 50% of what gets said on "political forum" gets misinterpreted completely or is taken as a personal attack. See you all during the next election.:shrug:

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I don't see any assumptions made or an accusation of anyone being a shut in in my post. There is an example in your post of how perhaps 50% of what gets said on "political forum" gets misinterpreted completely or is taken as a personal attack. See you all during the next election.:shrug:


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