ACORN bus tours

[Guest]

Perhaps it is just me but all this discussion of rich versus poor that is done OUTSIDE the context of fixing the budget and possible tax changes bother me.

It seems there is an attempt to start friction for friction sake.

Now ACORN who is receiving millions and millions from the stimulus plan and who is under investigation for voter fraud, AND who has been selected by this administration to "help" with the census, and has openly called for liberal views and has admitted to being a grassroots organization of the current administration.......

Is conducting bus tours of AIG employee homes....a quote from one of the tour participants...

"Because the American taxpayer now owns 80 percent of AIG, they should have full access to anything and everything they own, including their country club memberships, their recreation facilities, their built-in swimming pools, but we'll do it on a schedule," he said.

http://www.seattlepi.com/business/404117_aigbus22.html?source=mypi

And then will add this...a quote from Saul Alinsky in Rules for Radicals...

"Change means movement. Movement means friction. Only in the frictionless vacuum of a nonexistent abstract world can movement or change occur without that abrasive friction of conflict."

[Guest]

Thanks for posting, Bucco. Unfortunately, the news keeps getting worse and we aren't even at 100 days.

[Guest]

What a pathetic bunch. Give me give me give me. Well, I guess BO is their man.

[Guest]

This from the PEOPLES WEEKLY WORLD, the newspaper of the Communist Party of the USA....

"Pass the budget! Grassroots coalition demands action"


"Robert Borosage, co-chair of the Campaign for America’s Future and William McNary, president of USAction announced a grassroots campaign to pressure Blue Dog Democrats to vote for Obama’s budget. Eight of these Democrats joined with Republicans in opposing efforts to win passage of a Budget Resolution that included the $684 billion health care fund and tens of billions more for Obama’s green energy program. It requires only a simple majority of 51 senators to pass a Budget Resolution so it is not subject to a Republican filibuster that requires 60 senators’ votes to end.

Borosage accused Blue Dog Democrats led by Sen. Evan Bayh (D-Ind.) and Kent Conrad (D-N.D.) of “giving away the store.”

“If they feel a little heat at home they may see the light in Washington,” he said.

McNary said 50,000 members of USAction will mobilize in the Blue Dogs’ districts.

“The people voted for change last November,” he said. “We cannot allow senators to get cold feet or become unwitting accomplices of those who don’t want change.”

http://www.pww.org/article/view/14997

[Guest]

Perhaps it is just me but all this discussion of rich versus poor that is done OUTSIDE the context of fixing the budget and possible tax changes bother me.

It seems there is an attempt to start friction for friction sake.

Now ACORN who is receiving millions and millions from the stimulus plan and who is under investigation for voter fraud, AND who has been selected by this administration to "help" with the census, and has openly called for liberal views and has admitted to being a grassroots organization of the current administration.......

Is conducting bus tours of AIG employee homes....a quote from one of the tour participants...

"Because the American taxpayer now owns 80 percent of AIG, they should have full access to anything and everything they own, including their country club memberships, their recreation facilities, their built-in swimming pools, but we'll do it on a schedule," he said.

http://www.seattlepi.com/business/404117_aigbus22.html?source=mypi

And then will add this...a quote from Saul Alinsky in Rules for Radicals...

"Change means movement. Movement means friction. Only in the frictionless vacuum of a nonexistent abstract world can movement or change occur without that abrasive friction of conflict."

Give it a rest....AIG shouldn't have given out the bonus money....and you are complaining about ACORN.

Will wonders never cease.

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Give it a rest....AIG shouldn't have given out the bonus money....and you are complaining about ACORN.

Will wonders never cease.

But, they did give out the bonus money and they had to. They had contracts and nobody absolved AIG from its contractual obligation.

Don't you believe we should uphold the law?

Don't you believe In the US Constitution?

It's ok to hate the rich but be careful. You may someday be considered rich by some people.


Yoda

[Guest]

But, they did give out the bonus money and they had to. They had contracts and nobody absolved AIG from its contractual obligation.

Don't you believe we should uphold the law?

Don't you believe In the US Constitution?

It's ok to hate the rich but be careful. You may someday be considered rich by some people.


Yoda

At least at my company the bonus payouts are tied to company performance. If the company doesn't make the performance gates then the bonus is reduced or canceled. Did AIG make the gates....Make me laugh!

They gave themselves a 100% bonus based on the previous year. The automakers have contracts with the autoworkers...did these blue collar workers have to give back pay and benefits? You bet! Seems to me, a lowly blue collar worker, a double standard is a foot. Why should the AIG contracts be honored but the UAW contracts. I await your answer.

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At least at my company the bonus payouts are tied to company performance. If the company doesn't make the performance gates then the bonus is reduced or canceled. Did AIG make the gates....Make me laugh!

They gave themselves a 100% bonus based on the previous year. The automakers have contracts with the autoworkers...did these blue collar workers have to give back pay and benefits? You bet! Seems to me, a lowly blue collar worker, a double standard is a foot. Why should the AIG contracts be honored but the UAW contracts. I await your answer.

First of all, these bonuses were retention bonuses. Many were working for $1. Put yourself in there place. Forget who the company or the amount of money for a moment. You work for a company that is in trouble. You naturally want to find another job. You are a valued employee and your leaving at this time would make it harder to recover but you have to think of your family. The company comes to you and asks, "Please work for 1 more year. We cannot pay you per week but if you stay for the year, we will pay you X." Would you expect to be paid if you agreed to stay and did stay the required time?

I have been in that position. I worked for a company that was acquiring other companies. In my opinion, I was a blue collar worker. I was a software developer, not management, not a wheel. My job was not guaranteed but they offered me a retention contract to get me to stay through the transition period. It was no way near the amount in question but it was in line with my wage. Should I have expected to get paid? To get paid regardless of any other agreements that the company entered it to after? The only way out of the contract would have been bankruptcy.

If AIG went into bankruptcy they may have gotten out of the contract but, they did not.

Do you want your contracts honored or not?

[Guest]

Give it a rest....AIG shouldn't have given out the bonus money....and you are complaining about ACORN.

Will wonders never cease.


I am not quite sure how you took this thread as a defense of the AIG bonus's, however my assumption then must be that you are ok with the organized bus trips bythis organization who has a known agenda and the attitude about sharing.

In addition, as my thread says, I assume that you are just fine with the open and blantant irritating of the RICH VERSUS THE POOR attitude. Or creating friction as Alinsky put it !!

Oh and yes I am complaining about ACORN....receiving millions maybe billions of dollars from the US government, assisting in the census, arranging "field trips" to mock rich folks while under investigation in many states for voter fraud.

YES I am complaining about ACORN !

[Guest]

What disturbs me the most is that CBS, ABC and NBC aren't delving into what is going on. There heads are in the sand, they are looking the other way, they are still captured on the fabulous reteric that Obama does have. When they do mention these quirky ideas they 'skim' over a fact and move on. When in the world will the mainstream media get this and begin to speak up. It is hard for me to believe that ALL of the newscasters and reporters truly believe in their hearts what they are reporting. Everything that has been done the past 60+ days is extremely frigtening to me.

[Guest]

The mainstream media print/TV/etc all have so much vested in the new administration they CAN"T let it fail or get scarred.

Also Cologal......the payment of the AIG bonuses, was put into the Porkulous Bill that Congress only had 6 hours to reah 1000+ pages. It was inserted by Sen. Dodd (D-CN) at the request from.....because guess who was one of the biggest Donors for the past election??? Hmmmmmmm, do I actually have to tell you.........

Another tidbit you will not hear on the major mainstream outlets.

Army Guy

[Guest]

The mainstream media print/TV/etc all have so much vested in the new administration they CAN"T let it fail or get scarred.

Also Cologal......the payment of the AIG bonuses, was put into the Porkulous Bill that Congress only had 6 hours to reah 1000+ pages. It was inserted by Sen. Dodd (D-CN) at the request from.....because guess who was one of the biggest Donors for the past election??? Hmmmmmmm, do I actually have to tell you.........

Another tidbit you will not hear on the major mainstream outlets.

Army Guy

I guess you won't hear it from the "main street media" outlets unless you actually listen to some of them.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=7110145&page=1

[Guest]

bimmer, yes you showed an article from the mainstream media addressing the donations, BUT where are the articles telling WHY it was put in the Bill by Congress?? The link has been left out...........

Army Guy

[Guest]

The mainstream media print/TV/etc all have so much vested in the new administration they CAN"T let it fail or get scarred.

Also Cologal......the payment of the AIG bonuses, was put into the Porkulous Bill that Congress only had 6 hours to reah 1000+ pages. It was inserted by Sen. Dodd (D-CN) at the request from.....because guess who was one of the biggest Donors for the past election??? Hmmmmmmm, do I actually have to tell you.........

Another tidbit you will not hear on the major mainstream outlets.

Army Guy

Boy you are right on with this one. I also am against AIG getting the bonuses in the first place. It makes it even worse to tax them at 90% .
I would like to see Dodd and all the other fools investigated rather than AIG.
Yes I remember we have to pass the Porkulus bill ASAP before anyone gets a chance to read it. :cus::cus:

[Guest]

Yoda officially registers his complaint of ACORN and its thug tactics. They will now doubt become the recruiters for the presidents Green Shirts.

Yoda

Am I paranoid? Yes.

Do I have good cause? Yes.

Yoda

[Guest]

OMG! Yoda! :1rotfl: You're a hoot! :laugh:

May the Force be with you!

[Guest]

First of all, these bonuses were retention bonuses. Many were working for $1. Put yourself in there place. Forget who the company or the amount of money for a moment. You work for a company that is in trouble. You naturally want to find another job. You are a valued employee and your leaving at this time would make it harder to recover but you have to think of your family. The company comes to you and asks, "Please work for 1 more year. We cannot pay you per week but if you stay for the year, we will pay you X." Would you expect to be paid if you agreed to stay and did stay the required time?

I have been in that position. I worked for a company that was acquiring other companies. In my opinion, I was a blue collar worker. I was a software developer, not management, not a wheel. My job was not guaranteed but they offered me a retention contract to get me to stay through the transition period. It was no way near the amount in question but it was in line with my wage. Should I have expected to get paid? To get paid regardless of any other agreements that the company entered it to after? The only way out of the contract would have been bankruptcy.

If AIG went into bankruptcy they may have gotten out of the contract but, they did not.

Do you want your contracts honored or not?

Our professions are very similar...my understanding of these bonuses were not retention bonuses but the regular bonus and represented a 100% of the 2007 bonus when the company was flying high. Did the UAW have a contract with GM, Ford and Chrysler? Have these companies gone into bankruptcy? Those would be a No. So if the AIG contract had to be honored then the UAW contract would also have to be honored.

As for me I had an agreement we my company if I took a position they wanted me to take, I didn't, then I would get a manager's bonus at the end of the year for the term of my employment. Last year they came to me and said to bad so sad but you have to give that up. This year the big guys got their bonuses and us little guys got nothing. Why because they expect a bad year for 2009 so no raises, the second time in 5 years, even though our raises were tied to the 2008 performance which met the gates. What did the managers get? 100% of their bonuses....

I believe we have finally uncovered the true elitists.... as the saying goes the rich get richer and the poor get poorer....

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Our professions are very similar...my understanding of these bonuses were not retention bonuses but the regular bonus and represented a 100% of the 2007 bonus when the company was flying high. Did the UAW have a contract with GM, Ford and Chrysler? Have these companies gone into bankruptcy? Those would be a No. So if the AIG contract had to be honored then the UAW contract would also have to be honored.

As for me I had an agreement we my company if I took a position they wanted me to take, I didn't, then I would get a manager's bonus at the end of the year for the term of my employment. Last year they came to me and said to bad so sad but you have to give that up. This year the big guys got their bonuses and us little guys got nothing. Why because they expect a bad year for 2009 so no raises, the second time in 5 years, even though our raises were tied to the 2008 performance which met the gates. What did the managers get? 100% of their bonuses....

I believe we have finally uncovered the true elitists.... as the saying goes the rich get richer and the poor get poorer....


Will you be organizing bus tours of the "big guys" homes ?

[Guest]

The mainstream media print/TV/etc all have so much vested in the new administration they CAN"T let it fail or get scarred.

Also Cologal......the payment of the AIG bonuses, was put into the Porkulous Bill that Congress only had 6 hours to reah 1000+ pages. It was inserted by Sen. Dodd (D-CN) at the request from.....because guess who was one of the biggest Donors for the past election??? Hmmmmmmm, do I actually have to tell you.........

Another tidbit you will not hear on the major mainstream outlets.

Army Guy

When I heard it on one of the MSM outlets, you know I wouldn't be on Fox Noise, my response was "Put a fork in him because he is done"

Dodd is in trouble for re-election and this won't help but then again they did re-elect Joe and I don't mean the Plummer.

[Guest]

AIG is a great straw dog for the right wing. While KBR/Halliburton continue to rip off the US taxpaers for mulitple millions of dollars, the right wing drug addict/alcoholic mouth pieces (Rush/Beck) focus their attacks elsewhere.

As the local villagers drive around in their Crown Vics and Buicks full of "Support the Troops" magnetic, made in China, ribbons, they refuse to recognize the fact soldiers are getting electroucted while merely taking showers in Iraq due to faulty construction sanctioned by KBR.

Then, when the troops return, they get colonoscopies with non sterile instruments from the VA, and are possibly expose to AIDs.

So get over the AIG issues and start focusing on some more important things such as really truly suporting our troops.

And for those of you so outraged by the bonuses paid by AIG, do you seriously think they ripped off the taxpayers more than KBR/Halliburton??

[Guest]

AIG is a great straw dog for the right wing. While KBR/Halliburton continue to rip off the US taxpaers for mulitple millions of dollars, the right wing drug addict/alcoholic mouth pieces (Rush/Beck) focus their attacks elsewhere.

As the local villagers drive around in their Crown Vics and Buicks full of "Support the Troops" magnetic, made in China, ribbons, they refuse to recognize the fact soldiers are getting electroucted while merely taking showers in Iraq due to faulty construction sanctioned by KBR.

Then, when the troops return, they get colonoscopies with non sterile instruments from the VA, and are possibly expose to AIDs.

So get over the AIG issues and start focusing on some more important things such as really truly suporting our troops.

And for those of you so outraged by the bonuses paid by AIG, do you seriously think they ripped off the taxpayers more than KBR/Halliburton??


My thread was NOT specifically about the AIG payouts but about the extremist group having bus tours of the homes of exec of AIG.

It had nothing to do with the good or bad of the bonus's themselves, but a group who will be a big part of our census, who is under indictment and/or investigation at last count in over 20 states for voter fraud DELIBERATELY CREATING FRICTION that was not in anyway necessary !

READ...there are deliberate attempts to create a class warfare in this country and will not be pretty.

As to the bonus's them selves, they should not have been paid, but what was common knowledge in WASH for a long time became a political tool...once again create a crisis and then jump in and solve it. The Federal Government is about to take over your life.

This is not about party but the spending spree of the Bush administration seems tame as to what is going on, and guess what...these plans all discussed by Obama during the campaign are now being thrust through under the guise of solving the financial situation and we are buying into it hook line and sinker. Does it not bother you that this congress was so prepared to spend so much money TWICE without even having members read what was in it....this WAS NOT IN RESPONSE TO ANY FINANCIAL CRISIS !!!

But again, the thread was about the deliberate attempt to rub nerves raw in this country but seems like nobody cares !

[Guest]

AIG is a great straw dog for the right wing. While KBR/Halliburton continue to rip off the US taxpaers for mulitple millions of dollars, the right wing drug addict/alcoholic mouth pieces (Rush/Beck) focus their attacks elsewhere.

As the local villagers drive around in their Crown Vics and Buicks full of "Support the Troops" magnetic, made in China, ribbons, they refuse to recognize the fact soldiers are getting electroucted while merely taking showers in Iraq due to faulty construction sanctioned by KBR.

Then, when the troops return, they get colonoscopies with non sterile instruments from the VA, and are possibly expose to AIDs.

So get over the AIG issues and start focusing on some more important things such as really truly suporting our troops.

And for those of you so outraged by the bonuses paid by AIG, do you seriously think they ripped off the taxpayers more than KBR/Halliburton??

Wow, you are not having any fun at all. You need to watch a different news program. Try Fox. They even laugh and joke and smile from time to time.

Yoda

[Guest]

More on this wonderful group that all seem to ignore....

"How Does A Neo-Socialist Administration Conduct A Census?"

"Writing for the Wall St. Journal, Steven Malanga said of ACORN:

"No one should be surprised, for this organization grew out of some of the most counterproductive ideas of 1960s radicalism. Acorn's roots are in the National Welfare Rights Organization, whose leader, George Wiley, believed he could use poor, unwed mothers to foment a revolution."

"The Community Reinvestment Act, passed in 1977, and expanded by President Bill Clinton, prompted banks to lend money in underserved communities and allowed community groups to file complaints that could hold up or even scuttle bank mergers. To avoid the possibility of a denied or delayed applications, lending institutions had an incentive to make formal agreements with community organizations like ACORN."

The Community Reinvestment Act, passed in 1977, and expanded by President Bill Clinton, prompted banks to lend money in underserved communities and allowed community groups to file complaints that could hold up or even scuttle bank mergers. To avoid the possibility of a denied or delayed applications, lending institutions had an incentive to make formal agreements with community organizations like ACORN.

http://www.postchronicle.com/commentary/article_212217602.shtml

[Guest]

Why does the GOP hate ACORN? :jester:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brad-friedman/gops-acorn-voter-fraud-li_b_132844.html

[Guest]

Like the Huffington post doesn't have an agenda?barf

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Why does the GOP hate ACORN? :jester:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brad-friedman/gops-acorn-voter-fraud-li_b_132844.html

I would hope that more than just Republicans have concerns about this extremely radical group..begun by a 60's radical...under investigation for voter fraud in over 20 states (NOT just 2008 election by the way which is all Huffington speaks about at the height of political season.....conductor of tours of AIG employees homes.....the subject of a series of expose articles by the New York Times (Stephanie Strom)....and now even Democrat John Conyers is even asking that they be called to testify before Congress.

Oh, this is the group that our government chose to help with the census !

Great group to defend...PLEASE READ their history, thier mission statment, their "projects" over the years, and if you still want to defend them and support what they stand for come here and post WHY !

[Guest]

I would hope that more than just Republicans have concerns about this extremely radical group..begun by a 60's radical...under investigation for voter fraud in over 20 states (NOT just 2008 election by the way which is all Huffington speaks about at the height of political season.....conductor of tours of AIG employees homes.....the subject of a series of expose articles by the New York Times (Stephanie Strom)....and now even Democrat John Conyers is even asking that they be called to testify before Congress.

Oh, this is the group that our government chose to help with the census !

Great group to defend...PLEASE READ their history, thier mission statment, their "projects" over the years, and if you still want to defend them and support what they stand for come here and post WHY !

Sorry, there has been NO (none, nada) cases of "voter fraud". Some ACORN workers (8 was the last number I saw) have been convicted of voter registration fraud, but at this point, 4 months after the election, there hasn't been any indication of anyone voting in the election that wasn't supposed to vote. Except maybe Ann Coulter.
In Washington State prosecutors stated that the defendants faked cards as an easy way to get paid, not as an attempt to influence the outcome of elections, and that none of the phony registrations led to illegal voting.

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Sorry, there has been NO (none, nada) cases of "voter fraud". Some ACORN workers (8 was the last number I saw) have been convicted of voter registration fraud, but at this point, 4 months after the election, there hasn't been any indication of anyone voting in the election that wasn't supposed to vote. Except maybe Ann Coulter.
In Washington State prosecutors stated that the defendants faked cards as an easy way to get paid, not as an attempt to influence the outcome of elections, and that none of the phony registrations led to illegal voting.



Well, with all due respect KAYAKER...I said under investigation. I dont know how many have actually resulted in indictments at all.

And the problem was not with VOTING, but with registration by the way !!!

Hey, if you are ok with this group and happy they will be at the forefront of the "grassroots" movements, so be it. They surely are favorites of the administration, and I hope you actually read about their history, tactics, etc.

Again, if folks in this country are happy with this kind of group (PLEASE READ THEIR MISSIONS AND HISTORY)...then I suppose we get what we deserve !

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Well, with all due respect KAYAKER...I said under investigation. I dont know how many have actually resulted in indictments at all.

And the problem was not with VOTING, but with registration by the way !!!

Hey, if you are ok with this group and happy they will be at the forefront of the "grassroots" movements, so be it. They surely are favorites of the administration, and I hope you actually read about their history, tactics, etc.

Again, if folks in this country are happy with this kind of group (PLEASE READ THEIR MISSIONS AND HISTORY)...then I suppose we get what we deserve !


Semantics.
I am merely pointing out that "voter fraud" and "voter registration fraud" are 2 very different animals.
If you want real voter fraud, I suggest you start with the Diebold (and other manufacturers) machines.

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Semantics.
I am merely pointing out that "voter fraud" and "voter registration fraud" are 2 very different animals.
If you want real voter fraud, I suggest you start with the Diebold (and other manufacturers) machines.


Oh yeah...that is the conspiracy where Jeb Bush crawled inside the machines etc. !!

Much worse than conducting the ten year census, tours of execs home because they have money just to irrritate !

I got it !:)

[Guest]

Oh yeah...that is the conspiracy where Jeb Bush crawled inside the machines etc. !!
Much worse than conducting the ten year census, tours of execs home because they have money just to irrritate !
I got it !:)

Respectfully Bucco, I don't think you've got it.
Those machines are being scrapped, and have been in the process of being replaced long before the current administration took office. They are easily tampered with, and have no paper back-up. No conspiracy involved, they are just not suitable for elections.
There are tours of Hollywood star's homes, tours of celebrity cemeteries, so tours of AIG bonus-babies is not necessarily out-of-line. If they are "irritated"...to bad.:pepper2:

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Respectfully Bucco, I don't think you've got it.
Those machines are being scrapped, and have been in the process of being replaced long before the current administration took office. They are easily tampered with, and have no paper back-up. No conspiracy involved, they are just not suitable for elections.
There are tours of Hollywood star's homes, tours of celebrity cemeteries, so tours of AIG bonus-babies is not necessarily out-of-line. If they are "irritated"...to bad.:pepper2:


I think I got it !!!

Your defense of and support of ACORN is noted but this kind of organization spawned by radicals, etc. with a history that is stunning in its legacy irritating and creating class warfare is legendary that I would ever give my backing or defense ! Everyone has their own opinion !

Hoping that Conyers does get them to a hearing...have you read the NY Times articles on this group or any of their history before defending them ?

But in any case, as I said before...we, as a country, will get what we deserve :)

[Guest]

A little honesty here from the dittoheads- ACORN is NOT being investigated- they hired independent contractors who scammed them. Kind of like blaming Halliburton for the shoddy work of it's subcontractors- oh, wait a minute,....never mind. Secondly, 11 of the 35 million dollar "retentives" left the company anyway- and still took the money.

AIG is basically bankrupt on U.S. life support- seems to me their contracts, as in any bankruptcy are null & void- at least they would be if this was about the American worker, rather than the Free Market chickens.

[Guest]

A little honesty here from the dittoheads- ACORN is NOT being investigated- they hired independent contractors who scammed them. Kind of like blaming Halliburton for the shoddy work of it's subcontractors- oh, wait a minute,....never mind. Secondly, 11 of the 35 million dollar "retentives" left the company anyway- and still took the money.

AIG is basically bankrupt on U.S. life support- seems to me their contracts, as in any bankruptcy are null & void- at least they would be if this was about the American worker, rather than the Free Market chickens.

From 3/23...

"Members of Congress heard testimony against the activist group ACORN on Thursday, exposing the group's illegal activity and mafia-style tactics.

Pittsburgh lawyer Heather Heidelbaugh appeared before the a House Judiciary subcommittee alleging that the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) has violated campaign finance and tax laws in addition to their protest-for-hire and coerced donations. The source of the accusations was from the sworn testimony of ACORN whistleblower Anita MonCrief, who was a clerk for ACORN's sister organization called Project Vote."

http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.2810/pub_detail.asp

from 3/24

"Last Thursday, House Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers Jr., D-Mich, proposed holding hearings about the activist group Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), to give the group an opportunity to answer allegations it has engaged in illegal or improper activities.

Mr. Conyers, who has defended the organization in the past, asked for the hearings after listening to testimony about the organization during a House Judiciary Subcommittee on Constitution, Civil Rights, and Civil Liberties hearing titled “Lessons Learned from the 2008 Election.”

http://thebulletin.us/articles/2009/03/24/top_stories/doc49c8e3c0f2563375047652.txt

from 3/19

"A lawyer for a whistleblower on the activist group ACORN is prepared to tell a House panel Thursday that the group provided liberal causes with protest-for-hire services and coerced donations from the targets of demonstrations through a mob-style "protection" racket.

ACORN called it the "muscle for the money" program, according to prepared testimony Pittsburgh lawyer Heather Heidelbaugh plans to deliver at a hearing of the House Judiciary subcommittee on the Constitution, civil rights and civil liberties. "

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/mar/19/hill-panel-testimony-to-accuse-acorn-of-mob-tactic/

This an article from the Tacoma WA newspaper when they marched in there, uininvited by the way, and how they were received....

They are local members of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now Inc., ACORN for short. According to a statement by their Tacoma Sentinels group, those problems “prevent us from feeling secure in our homes and compromise the integrity of our neighborhoods.”

They want them fixed.

"The ACORN presentation irked veteran activists.

Sure, if things are going awry in your neighborhood, it’s natural to want someone to fix them for you.

It would be lovely if that were the way it worked.

But most Tacomans know better. They know they have to help with the repairs."

Who, she asked, is ACORN to make demands without doing its share of the work?

They, too were miffed by ACORN’s attitude."

http://www.thenewstribune.com/merryman/story/649853.html


Would suggest you read the 3 part (I believe) series that appeared in the NY Times recently on this group.


Hey, again you folks want groups that intentionally create havoc using the poor versus rich line always (and THAT was the intent of the bus tours) then enjoy the America that gives you.

[Guest]

In addition to the ACORN groups, we now have formed a group called ORGANIZING FOR AMERICA !!!

This group was formed to push the budget and when they recently rallied in the Birmingham ALA area they said things like...

""We're looking for supporters," said DeHaven of Hoover, one of the event's organizers. "We're not looking for a fight. That will come later, when we have an army."

http://www.al.com/birminghamnews/stories/index.ssf?/base/news/1237709752152800.xml&coll=2

I suppose I may be alone on this one but these "grassroots" groups such as this one and ACORN scare me for real. It seems when you read what they SAY and find out from WHERE THEY GET THEIR SUPPORT and basis, that some sort of class warfare is being prepared.

I certainly have the innate ability to overreact, but cannot recall in my lifetime in this country so many of these groups taking to the streets and getting such high level backing and finances.

[Guest]

A little honesty here from the dittoheads- ACORN is NOT being investigated- they hired independent contractors who scammed them. Kind of like blaming Halliburton for the shoddy work of it's subcontractors- oh, wait a minute,....never mind. Secondly, 11 of the 35 million dollar "retentives" left the company anyway- and still took the money.

AIG is basically bankrupt on U.S. life support- seems to me their contracts, as in any bankruptcy are null & void- at least they would be if this was about the American worker, rather than the Free Market chickens.

The last time I looked, whoever hires a subcontractor is responsible to the customer for the performance of the subcontractor.

Until a court (or the parties by mutual agreement) reform a contract, it remains valid.

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The last time I looked, whoever hires a subcontractor is responsible to the customer for the performance of the subcontractor.

Until a court (or the parties by mutual agreement) reform a contract, it remains valid.

Just adding my 2 cents. AIG is not bankrupt. If not bankrupt, the contracts are still valid.

Yoda

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Now a new story....not really NEW, but now getting some legs about the New York Times killing a story right before the election about ACORN relationships that the New York Times killed because it was a "game changer"

"A lawyer involved with legal action against Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) told a House Judiciary subcommittee on March 19 The New York Times had killed a story in October that would have shown a close link between ACORN, Project Vote and the Obama campaign because it would have been a “a game changer.”

http://www.thebulletin.us/articles/2009/03/30/top_stories/doc49d0a73c7f98e547489394.txt

Like I said this is not new but now beginning to see some light in the media, and as was said during the campaign there is much much more that is going to come out slowly, not just on ACORN.